accidentally conjured a storm?

[HareMoon]

I was doing my Circle of Teaching homework which was to take or create a spell with an obvious statement of intent and basically narrow it down to attempt to eliminate any possible negative outcomes. Anyways, I found a spell online to make it rain. I figured this was an easy one to do. I was reading over the spell, and doing my work, and at the same time the back of my mind was thinking about how I needed to wrap a birthday present for the birthday party for my 6yr old niece. Somehow, I ended up conjuring a major storm over the park at the party just as the party was starting.

(little background, I live in AZ, where it hardly ever rains, and everyone at the party was talking about how they all checked the weather channel before they left and it was supposed to be 100 degrees and sunny.)

Fortunatly my husband was able to communicate with the storm, make a deal, or whatever he did, to get it to move to another location that was important to him (the disc golf couse a couple miles away).

Needless to say I am a noob, and didnt realize that I was actually putting the spell out there with energy, so can anyone give me some suggestions on how to prevent this from happening? I don't like the fact that I brought the storm at all, let alone at a little girls birthday party, but I don't know how to prevent it. :ugh:

Thanks in advance. Sorry if this is the wrong place for this post.

[~Elise~]

You brought rain to AZ?? and you're upset??? Girl, that rocks!

But, speaking as a weather witch myself...it's an ability that you are going to have to work with to learn to control. It just takes practice. (and lots of it)

PS...don't EVER buy one of those rain sticks.

Elise

[Am3thyst3R4yn3]

i have to agree with the prior statement. rain is something i can conjure with barely a thought and controlling it takes a ton of practice. I still can't control it completely when i am upset and i have been practcing that since i was a little girl.

[DoktorSick]

So you are saying you can actually control the weather to some degree?
I find that highly questionable.

[Ivy Artemisia]

Weather witching aside, I personally believe that some people are just more high-energy than others. I'm searching for a better term for it than that, but thats all I can come up with for now. I was always taught that "thoughts are things, and things are real." Researching and writing a spell, I usually find that my outcome happens without casting it at all. The Statement of Intent that I used as my example in the class... its coming true for me, and I was just using it as an example. Sheeesh.

Like Elise said, its all about control. Its about thinking about things, instead of THINKING about things. As a child, I'd get shoed into the house after the "rain dance" that I got my friends to do with me worked. I really wanted it to rain on our Slip N Slide! I didn't grow up Pagan, but we have do gifts passed down one line in my family. So, I had to learn that when I'm really MAD at someone, I can't just let that energy get out of control and fling its way to them. Otherwise, people get hurt. Literally. It took many times of this for me to come to the conclusion that this sort of thing wasn't just a random coincidence. I'm a serious skeptic, and didn't really believe in magick. But it sure as hell believed in me.

I think you'll find ways to think and focus on things without focusing your personal energy/power on them. Its really tough to explain, but meditating helped for me. It helped me feel the different between focusing and FOCUSING.

Worst. Explanation. Ever. I know, I'm sorry.

[Am3thyst3R4yn3]

Weather witching aside, I personally believe that some people are just more high-energy than others. I'm searching for a better term for it than that, but thats all I can come up with for now. I was always taught that "thoughts are things, and things are real." Researching and writing a spell, I usually find that my outcome happens without casting it at all. The Statement of Intent that I used as my example in the class... its coming true for me, and I was just using it as an example. Sheeesh.

Like Elise said, its all about control. Its about thinking about things, instead of THINKING about things. As a child, I'd get shoed into the house after the "rain dance" that I got my friends to do with me worked. I really wanted it to rain on our Slip N Slide! I didn't grow up Pagan, but we have do gifts passed down one line in my family. So, I had to learn that when I'm really MAD at someone, I can't just let that energy get out of control and fling its way to them. Otherwise, people get hurt. Literally. It took many times of this for me to come to the conclusion that this sort of thing wasn't just a random coincidence. I'm a serious skeptic, and didn't really believe in magick. But it sure as hell believed in me.

I think you'll find ways to think and focus on things without focusing your personal energy/power on them. Its really tough to explain, but meditating helped for me. It helped me feel the different between focusing and FOCUSING.

Worst. Explanation. Ever. I know, I'm sorry.

actually It made sense to me, Ivy. You explained the process better than i could. If i think about it raining and i really want it. it usually does. if i believe i will get something I usually do, although the universe makes me work for it. I love your explanation.

[IceLupa]

Some people are sensitive to the weather because they're sensitive to the atmosphere. When hauntings occur, the atmosphere changes slightly. They've used special cameras to measure this. Also there are those who cloud bust, or they concentrate on making a cloud break apart and vanish almost. If you believe that you and your husband made a storm appear then you might be intune with relevant atmospheric pressure points and the power of the mind, channelling this into positive/negative thoughts, like asking for rain. People undermime the power of the mind.

You could also be sensitive to the weather only once, a one-off, something that you may not be able to experience again because of the place and location and thoughts of yourself and your husband. If this sounds weird then sorry for going off but I've had conversations with people about this.

[DoktorSick]

So what you are saying if you want to place that was suffering from drought.
You and a few weather witchy friends go there and do your thing and it would rain?

[Sequoia]

Um... how long have you lived in Arizona? They get sudden storms in the summer. The really bad ones are called Monsoons. Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you conjured this... at all.

It's a natural occurrence in AZ for these storms to happen. I lived there for a while and witnessed them, they come out of nowhere, are highly unpredictable, and disappear just as fast. I live with an AZ native, and she tells me that what you described happens there regularly in the summer. She's lived there over 20 years.

I know it's exciting to think you've controlled the weather, but I think you may need a little more practice and some more controlled settings before you can claim influence.

Keep trying!

[achmardi]

Um... how long have you lived in Arizona? They get sudden storms in the summer. The really bad ones are called Monsoons. Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you conjured this... at all.

Like Sequoia, I don't want to be bursting any bubbles either, but I'm from Las Vegas and exerience the same weather patterns. That isn't to say you didn't have any influence at all on it. Perhaps you were able to coax a storm that was already developing into becoming stronger (or you drew it towards you, rather than created it). :)

This entry very much made me want to check the weather to make sure it's supposed to be sunny all week, and then try to make it rain. :boing:

I went to a group ritual for Litha last year in Portland. As everyone knows, I'm sure, Portland is known for raining practically every day of the year, except for a few weeks in summer. It was raining that day, 100% overcast, and we were a bit disappointed. But we proceeded, and as soon as the circle was cast, the clouds parted and the sun shined down on us for the entire ritual. Bright blue sky, no clouds above us. Once the circle was closed, it was practically a deluge, and our picnic had to be moved to the covered tables across the park.

[Sequoia]

Like Sequoia, I don't want to be bursting any bubbles either, but I'm from Las Vegas and exerience the same weather patterns. That isn't to say you didn't have any influence at all on it. Perhaps you were able to coax a storm that was already developing into becoming stronger (or you drew it towards you, rather than created it). :)

This entry very much made me want to check the weather to make sure it's supposed to be sunny all week, and then try to make it rain. :boing:

I went to a group ritual for Litha last year in Portland. As everyone knows, I'm sure, Portland is known for raining practically every day of the year, except for a few weeks in summer. It was raining that day, 100% overcast, and we were a bit disappointed. But we proceeded, and as soon as the circle was cast, the clouds parted and the sun shined down on us for the entire ritual. Bright blue sky, no clouds above us. Once the circle was closed, it was practically a deluge, and our picnic had to be moved to the covered tables across the park.

Now, that kind of "coincidence" I can begin to believe. Because that's just too funny!

[Caitlin.ann]

Some people are sensitive to the weather because they're sensitive to the atmosphere. When hauntings occur, the atmosphere changes slightly. They've used special cameras to measure this. Also there are those who cloud bust, or they concentrate on making a cloud break apart and vanish almost. If you believe that you and your husband made a storm appear then you might be intune with relevant atmospheric pressure points and the power of the mind, channelling this into positive/negative thoughts, like asking for rain. People undermime the power of the mind.

You could also be sensitive to the weather only once, a one-off, something that you may not be able to experience again because of the place and location and thoughts of yourself and your husband. If this sounds weird then sorry for going off but I've had conversations with people about this.

More along the lines of what I was thinking. I've had moments that made me wonder if maybe I was causing the weather to change but I've also had times when I've tried to make it rain and nothing has occurred. I can only suggest then that my own experiences with this sort of thing is that I'm somewhat sensitive to the atmosphere..although I do hope sometimes that it is actually me doing something. I can dream, eh?

[MariThorn]

There is something though to the concept that some people, I'm one of them, can build or draw up energy without trying, and when they release it into the atmosphere they easily call storms. My friend who is psychic always knows when I'm stressed or angry and she lives over 6 hours away and I don't have to call her. Even the people I live with say I radiate it. I cannot number the times my raw energy has caused bizarre weather occurrences. I just have learned to control it, and channel it into something less destructive. One thing I know you don't want to do if you are a weather witch is to randomly recite weather spells. I've done this, and was just reading a chant to Nuada, who I work with, and on a day that was 100% sunny no clouds on radar had a knockout hail storm with high winds within minutes. So, while some will always say they are flukes, etc . . . I recognize my energy and what it draws to me. (Also remember when doing weather magic . . . the weather you push away from you will affect someone else somewhere else and possibly not in a good way.)

[Lunacie]

There is something though to the concept that some people, I'm one of them, can build or draw up energy without trying, and when they release it into the atmosphere they easily call storms. My friend who is psychic always knows when I'm stressed or angry and she lives over 6 hours away and I don't have to call her. Even the people I live with say I radiate it. I cannot number the times my raw energy has caused bizarre weather occurrences. I just have learned to control it, and channel it into something less destructive. One thing I know you don't want to do if you are a weather witch is to randomly recite weather spells. I've done this, and was just reading a chant to Nuada, who I work with, and on a day that was 100% sunny no clouds on radar had a knockout hail storm with high winds within minutes. So, while some will always say they are flukes, etc . . . I recognize my energy and what it draws to me. (Also remember when doing weather magic . . . the weather you push away from you will affect someone else somewhere else and possibly not in a good way.)

That is very true, something I learned the hard way. I pushed a storm away from a renaissance festival I was working at and as it moved in the direction I pushed it a tornado touched down. Fortunately there were no deaths. Since then I have learned to calm the weather down, for lack of a better way to explain it. I don't call the weather to do anything, even to ask it to stop raining long enough to do a ritual (I just move it indoors), but I do ask the weather to become more moderate, especially when tornados are dropping out of the sky. I can't prove it of course, but I feel I've moderated some tornados from a level F3 or F2 down to an F1.

[HareMoon]

Um... how long have you lived in Arizona? They get sudden storms in the summer. The really bad ones are called Monsoons. Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you conjured this... at all.


No bubble bursted at all. I have lived in AZ my entire life, in the same area where the storm occured, and haven't ever experienced a sudden storm like this. I know monsoon, and I have seen the sudden storms you are talking about.

[DoktorSick]

I have read a few biology books in my time but i yet to see one that shows any sort of connections between the weather and human emotion.Or whatever else is suppose have cause the weather to change.
I have story as well.This past july I was a fireworks display at a park.And it started raining.It rain hard for few minutes then it stopped.There was no pagan circle or anything going on.That's just how the weather works.
Just this past summer here in michigan it rain really hard and the wind blow for about 10 to 20 minutes but it stopped suddenly and the sun came out.
Again I say that's how the weather works.

[~Elise~]

I've been tracked on radar splitting storms...not a general type thing over a city...down to street level.

On a road trip to Houston with a friend of mine, my ex tracked our progress on radar by me splitting the storm around the car. He said it was like this bubble moving down the highway. Storms from Tulsa to Houston (heavy ones) -- she only had to turn on the wipers twice when my concentration lapsed.

That's not how weather happens...

One year for midsummer...had been close to 100 all day, hot and sunny...we had a drumming circle to bring in some rain...within 15 minutes...clouds and thunder. Temp high 70s. All the weather guy could say that there was a freak cold front in Glenpool that day.

That's not how weather happens...that's how Magic happens.

[kotu]

if it keeps happening its not too important dont worry about it

[Shanti]

I've been tracked on radar splitting storms...not a general type thing over a city...down to street level.

On a road trip to Houston with a friend of mine, my ex tracked our progress on radar by me splitting the storm around the car. He said it was like this bubble moving down the highway. Storms from Tulsa to Houston (heavy ones) -- she only had to turn on the wipers twice when my concentration lapsed.

That's not how weather happens...

One year for midsummer...had been close to 100 all day, hot and sunny...we had a drumming circle to bring in some rain...within 15 minutes...clouds and thunder. Temp high 70s. All the weather guy could say that there was a freak cold front in Glenpool that day.

That's not how weather happens...that how Magic happens.
:thumbsup:
I think there are more people capable of making effects that are not the norm, but few who talk about due to reactions like in this thread.

[Infinite Grey]

:thumbsup:
I think there are more people capable of making effects that are not the norm, but few who talk about due to reactions like in this thread.

Yeah... how dare people try to a find a natural explanation or ask for proof... FASCISTS THE LOT OF 'EM!

[Phoenix Blue]

I think in another forum, the discussion of whether or not someone caused something would be appropriate. Some of you guys are skeptics, and there's nothing wrong with that -- but neither is there anything wrong with believing otherwise. Please respect other people's boundaries.

[Lunacie]

I have read a few biology books in my time but i yet to see one that shows any sort of connections between the weather and human emotion.Or whatever else is suppose have cause the weather to change.
I have story as well.This past july I was a fireworks display at a park.And it started raining.It rain hard for few minutes then it stopped.There was no pagan circle or anything going on.That's just how the weather works.
Just this past summer here in michigan it rain really hard and the wind blow for about 10 to 20 minutes but it stopped suddenly and the sun came out.
Again I say that's how the weather works.

Oh, I see, they were supposed to inform you that they had been doing some weather witchin' so you'd know it wasn't just a "normal" freak downburst.

I made a trip from near Wichita KS to near Omaha NE one year with storms going on all around us, only had to use the wipers once or twice, and those were some pretty scary looking storms all around us. Got to the site of the Ren Fest and found the rest of the group who had arrived several hours earlier had taken shelter in the college cafeteria because their tents were all blown down and their belongings soaked. Didn't have any more weather problems the whole weekend. That was the year after I tried pushing the storm in a different direction so it wouldn't ruin the Ren Fest. No more pushing storms around, but nothing wrong with creating a small bubble of safe space where I was, eh?

[Infinite Grey]

Yo weather witches! You're really dropping the ball with global warming thingy - give ol' mother earth a hand eh?

Think of the polar bears!

http://napalmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/global_warming.jpg

[~Elise~]

You know...the Earth was warmer than this during Viking times...the Earth has its cycles just like any other things...this too shall pass.

Elise

[Infinite Grey]

You know...the Earth was warmer than this during Viking times...the Earth has its cycles just like any other things...this too shall pass.

Elise

Sorry... put you all on the spot there. :bow:

I've posted many threads on the topic - this ain't a normal cycle.

[~Elise~]

Ohhh? Perhaps I shall go look at some of your other posts on the subject.

[Lunacie]

Yo weather witches! You're really dropping the ball with global warming thingy - give ol' mother earth a hand eh?

Think of the polar bears!


http://napalmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/global_warming.jpg



Well, it's one thing to affect local weather on a small scale, and quite another thing to try to change weather patterns on a global scale, patterns that have likely been building longer than any of us have been alive.

I agree with Elise, the earth has been through many cycles. Some life forms were wiped out. Some life forms changed to accomodate the weather changes. Can we accomodate the current changes? Only time will tell.

[Infinite Grey]

Well, it's one thing to affect local weather on a small scale, and quite another thing to try to change weather patterns on a global scale, patterns that have likely been building longer than any of us have been alive.

I agree with Elise, the earth has been through many cycles. Some life forms were wiped out. Some life forms changed to accomodate the weather changes. Can we accomodate the current changes? Only time will tell.

Not all that hard... if you can change air pressure and flow cycles to produce thunder storms and twisters (I think someone mentioned) it shouldn't be that much of a leaps to alter the thermal distribution flows to reduce the world's average temperature and put the Earth back on it's normal Climate Cycle.

[~Elise~]

Again, I say...I don't think it is an abnormal cycle. There are artifacts being found now that the ice is melting to show that it has been this warm or warmer in the past.

[Infinite Grey]

Again, I say...I don't think it is an abnormal cycle. There are artifacts being found now that the ice is melting to show that it has been this warm or warmer in the past.

That is a well known fact yes. But the cycle is wrong, we're about 5 000 years too early. Not that it matters really.

The point is, that the current climate change is human made and within our power to reverse before the shit really hits the fan... or you do nothing, particularly if you don't like your children all that much.

Oh well.

[~Elise~]

In the grand cosmic scheme of things, IG, 5000 years isn't that much too soon. And considering that the early trigger is man and what his science has wrought, I'm not inclined to affect it too much.

As you sow, so shall you reap is how the Bible puts it, I believe. (or something along those lines)

[Infinite Grey]

In the grand cosmic scheme of things, IG, 5000 years isn't that much too soon. And considering that the early trigger is man and what his science has wrought, I'm not inclined to affect it too much.

As you sow, so shall you reap is how the Bible puts it, I believe. (or something along those lines)



Science did not wrought this; ignorance did... and further willful ignorance. :nuhuh:


Cheers with that! :thumbsup:

[~Elise~]

And it's my job to fix it why????

And if I, and other weather witches, did who'd believe us? not you...no empirical proof for you.

[Infinite Grey]

And it's my job to fix it why????

And if I, and other weather witches, did who'd believe us? not you...no empirical proof for you.

That is suggesting you would only do it for the recognition... I thought witches tended towards liking nature and all that jazz. Oh well.

I mean; If I could do it, I would. You know, ensuring the Earth is habitable, that my country isn't ruined, that many species of animals could be their for me children and everyone else's children. Maybe I'm just a nice guy that way :smile:

Or perhaps you can't.


Toodles.

[~Elise~]

Who says I'm a witch that likes nature...not all of us do, you know. That's an illogical assumption on your part.

But, if we did get together and work on a global scale to fix something that science and industry screwed up because of their lack of tolerance and acceptance...all you would do is dismiss it...start a thread in another forum mocking the efforts.

You made the mess with your technology and disregard for the ecosystems (ohhh...they don't exist...tree huggers. There's no balance in the Earth's systems)...get out of it yourself. Don't come whining to me.

TTFN

[~Elise~]

Science did not wrought this; ignorance did... and further willful ignorance. :nuhuh:




FYI--it wasn't ignorance...it was corporate greed.

[Lunacie]

FYI--it wasn't ignorance...it was corporate greed.

Yeah, and it would take more than just tweaking a couple of flow cycles to reverse the damage that cutting down the forests has caused, or cleaning out the pollution in the water and the air and the earth itself.

[tellmethetruth]

I haven't been doing this for long, but I have noticed that there seems to be a universal law that says there has to be a "logical" explanation for anything that happens magically. Magic will never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt - because magic is for people who can see beyond the obvious and must remain invisible to those who can't.

"Coincidence" is an explanation easily available to hide the true course of events in this world.

That's why a whole magical world can exist, invisible, right along with the mundane world and the "Mundanians" are able to live their lives without ever seeing it.

It's no use trying to convince somebody who can't see. They can't see because they can't - and they shouldn't.

[Taliesyn]

interesting thread- had to drop my two cents on the whole "stop global warming" thing.

Who said it is better for the Earth? Mass extinction is a natural occurence. We (Humans) are killing ourselves. we have been practicing for a long, long time, and we may be getting around to getting it right. I Love this planet. I think that the "ecological" movements should be a bit more specific - isn't it really " save the earth for us"?

Now, as far as weather magic- My teacher was really into it- so way back then I'm walking down the street in Miami, and it's hot. really hot. so I start to call a bit of rain. now, you are going to say- rain in miami- really- it rains every day- well, that makes it perfect to learn this form of magic, cause it is really easy to change. - okay. so here I am, calling the rain. And I called for 6 blocks or so. then It started. it was like the sky opened up and dropped the mother of all thunderstorms on my head. buckets. you couldn't see. it went on for hours (that is unusual in Miami).
moral? don't call to Thor for a storm if you don't mean it :)


Another story:
about 15 years ago my ex and I took the kids to mississippi. on the way back, we experienced the georgia thunderstorm. 45 mph, on rt 95, the only thing you could see were the hazard lights of the car in front of you. eventually we got in front of hte storm. we had bought food to cook at a rest stop, so we stopped, and my ex started a fire while I cut the storm. have you ever heard of sticking a knife in hte ground to cut a storm? well, it works. I stuck my knife in the ground, we ate, watching hte lighting on all sides of us. when we finished, we packed the car- then I pulled up my knife. The sky opened up, pouring just as it had before.

real or not real? well, in MY reality, weather magic is at least as accurate as meteorology.....

[Shanti]

Yeah... how dare people try to a find a natural explanation or ask for proof... FASCISTS THE LOT OF 'EM!Nothing wrong with looking for natural explanations, its just a tad rude when some people wont get off pushing it. They beat it to death even when they know they can not prove their point anymore than the other.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/crispini/beathorse.gif

[Liam]

Ive always had a connection to the weather ever since I was young. This connection has gotten stronger over the years. Lately Ive felt the urge to find a field somewhere and practice. Every time I do though I get this feeling like im disrupting some larger balance.

I ignored it for a while until the realization of how weather is part of nature, and karma and all of that sunk in. Now I dont do it. :( I feel though that its something that is a part of me so Im torn. What are you guys' thoughts on this? Is it ok to practice? Is there a way to explore this and not feel like im disrupting some natural balance?

[~Elise~]

Liam--

It's a very fine line to tread, as most of us have learned the hard way...now I pick and choose what storms to deflect and what not to. How you deflect them, or if you hold them off...how you release them is extremely important.

It takes practice and a few screwups...I think it is a bit easier for those who have an affinity for it.

Most of us only work on a local area of where we are...like Lunacie and the Ren Faire...if she hadn't diverted that storm...that tornado may have touched down where they were...all those people with no place to go and hide from the storm and probably no warning system close to where they were. (not that there is usually more than a few moments for a tornado warning anyway) The devastation and loss of human life would have been horrific. She, at least, sent it to somewhere where there was cover and protection for those involved...and access to TV and weather warnings.

Start small and work your way up is about all I can suggest.

Elise

[~Elise~]

interesting thread- had to drop my two cents on the whole "stop global warming" thing.

Who said it is better for the Earth? Mass extinction is a natural occurence. We (Humans) are killing ourselves. we have been practicing for a long, long time, and we may be getting around to getting it right. I Love this planet. I think that the "ecological" movements should be a bit more specific - isn't it really " save the earth for us"?

Now, as far as weather magic- My teacher was really into it- so way back then I'm walking down the street in Miami, and it's hot. really hot. so I start to call a bit of rain. now, you are going to say- rain in miami- really- it rains every day- well, that makes it perfect to learn this form of magic, cause it is really easy to change. - okay. so here I am, calling the rain. And I called for 6 blocks or so. then It started. it was like the sky opened up and dropped the mother of all thunderstorms on my head. buckets. you couldn't see. it went on for hours (that is unusual in Miami).
moral? don't call to Thor for a storm if you don't mean it :)


Another story:
about 15 years ago my ex and I took the kids to mississippi. on the way back, we experienced the georgia thunderstorm. 45 mph, on rt 95, the only thing you could see were the hazard lights of the car in front of you. eventually we got in front of hte storm. we had bought food to cook at a rest stop, so we stopped, and my ex started a fire while I cut the storm. have you ever heard of sticking a knife in hte ground to cut a storm? well, it works. I stuck my knife in the ground, we ate, watching hte lighting on all sides of us. when we finished, we packed the car- then I pulled up my knife. The sky opened up, pouring just as it had before.

real or not real? well, in MY reality, weather magic is at least as accurate as meteorology.....

LOL...the members my group who have been with me the longest tell some tales about me to the newer members...where it was raining in the front of the house, but not the back until ritual was over and we were in the house. They will tell you...it doesn't rain during ritual at my house, no matter what the forecast is.
I have an athame that is only used for weather workings and splitting storms, etc.
I've never had a bride rained out either when doing outdoor weddings. Best weather witching I ever did for a wedding was for Flar7 & Flar's Freyja (MW members from way back)...Flar had CF and couldn't be outside in cold weather...wedding date was Feb 2. (that's still winter here in OK) Temp was high 70s. There were quite a few MWer's there at the wedding, Mol included. (I worked on that one for 2 months beforehand)

I see the humor in trying to explain to people how it works...you just have to see it action.

Elise

[Hylomorphic]

Not all that hard... if you can change air pressure and flow cycles to produce thunder storms and twisters (I think someone mentioned) it shouldn't be that much of a leaps to alter the thermal distribution flows to reduce the world's average temperature and put the Earth back on it's normal Climate Cycle.

The key word here is "average" temperature. No amount of shifting things around will change the average. Only the distribution. In fact, shifting things around might increase the average temperature. Presumably, some amount of energy is added to the weather system to effect change. An increase in kinetic energy would translate to an increase in thermal energy in the long run.

You're asking the weather witches to violate the conservation of energy. Even if that's possible with magic--which I very much doubt--it would be extremely difficult to do on even a small scale.

[Lunacie]

Liam--

It's a very fine line to tread, as most of us have learned the hard way...now I pick and choose what storms to deflect and what not to. How you deflect them, or if you hold them off...how you release them is extremely important.

It takes practice and a few screwups...I think it is a bit easier for those who have an affinity for it.

Most of us only work on a local area of where we are...like Lunacie and the Ren Faire...if she hadn't diverted that storm...that tornado may have touched down where they were...all those people with no place to go and hide from the storm and probably no warning system close to where they were. (not that there is usually more than a few moments for a tornado warning anyway) The devastation and loss of human life would have been horrific. She, at least, sent it to somewhere where there was cover and protection for those involved...and access to TV and weather warnings.

Start small and work your way up is about all I can suggest.

Elise

The two hardest nights of my life were watching the radar and live reports on tv the night my daughter's house was hit by an F5 tornado (Hoisington KS) and the night an even bigger F5 tornado destroyed my entire hometown (Greensburg KS). Fortunately my family was safe and sound both times, but what a helpless feeling to be too far away to really influence a storm like those.

The one that hit Hoisington was traveling straight north through open farmland so I wasn't too worried about doing anything, but suddenly it broke apart into two storms and one turned to the right and dropped a very powerful tornado right at the edge of town. Those folks had no warning at all. It's amazing that only one person died. One third of the town was wiped out completely. More than a third of what was left was damaged. But my spirit guide had warned me one week before (to the minute mind you!) so my daughter didn't waste any time when the power went off, she got her daughter and her hubby into the basement as fast as possible.

...maybe someone split that storm and that's why part of it veered off and dropped a twister? Hm....

The one that hit Greensburg was on the ground for nearly an hour before it hit my poor little hometown, and stayed on the ground for at least another half hour. It was also traveling through open farmland and should have missed G-burg, but as I was watching the radar I realized how little a big storm like that would have to veer to the right to hit G-burg dead center, which is exactly what happened. Spotters were sending video of the power lines snapping and the town going dark and my heart dropped through the floor because I knew what that meant.

My sister's apartment was one of less than a dozen buildings that were left standing and she was safe in a neighbor's basement. My brother and his wife were in their basement about half a mile east of the path of destruction, and only took some minor damage. Oddly enough, the cemetary which was right in the path took almost no damage. Is there a weather witch buried there? :lol:

[~Elise~]

I like your concept of 'calming' the storm rather than deflecting it or splitting it. That's something I'll have to practice on.

Elise

[Lunacie]

I like your concept of 'calming' the storm rather than deflecting it or splitting it. That's something I'll have to practice on.

Elise

It was suggested to me by someone else, who had originally been taught to split a storm. Sometimes splitting a storm makes the storm only half as powerful, but nature is so danged unpredictable, eh?

[~Elise~]

what do you do with the energy that you take from the storm??

[DoktorSick]

What you are saying is that the next there's a drough and you have to do it get a few friends and got to that particular area.Do the drum circle and just like that,there is rain for the crops.
It really that simple.:thumbsup:

[~Elise~]

It could be and it couldn't. It helps tremendously if the weather witch is local and has ties to the land...that sympathic magic can't be beat.

Tell ya what...next time you have a drought...you book the tickets for me and my friends...we'll be right there. Have drums, will travel. Better make it somewhere Southwest flies so there are no extra charges for checking baggage or the drums. Oh...keep in mind there'll be charges for time off work, as well. Ya might want to make friends with your local pagans, dude, if ya want rain...or don't want it. It'll work out much better for you. (but you might want to keep your true feelings to yourself)

[Lunacie]

what do you do with the energy that you take from the storm??

I don't take any energy away from the storm. I sorta "unwind" the energy, kinda like doing what it takes to "soothe the savage breast." ;)

(That phrase was coined by William Congreve, in The mourning bride, 1697)

Musick has Charms to sooth a savage Breast,
To soften Rocks, or bend a knotted Oak.
I've read, that things inanimate have mov'd,
And, as with living Souls, have been inform'd,
By Magick Numbers and persuasive Sound.

Only instead of using music, I'm using magic to soothe the violent energy in a violent storm. Nature creates storms, and it's not my place to conquer Nature or vanquish it, I just want to soothe it a bit, eh?

[~Elise~]

I think I get the concept you're going after...have mull this over a bit.

[Lunacie]

It could be and it couldn't. It helps tremendously if the weather witch is local and has ties to the land...that sympathic magic can't be beat.

Tell ya what...next time you have a drought...you book the tickets for me and my friends...we'll be right there. Have drums, will travel. Better make it somewhere Southwest flies so there are no extra charges for checking baggage or the drums. Oh...keep in mind there'll be charges for time off work, as well. Ya might want to make friends with your local pagans, dude, if ya want rain...or don't want it. It'll work out much better for you. (but you might want to keep your true feelings to yourself)

SUN dances are a lot of fun too. My sis-in-law taught me to do those at Renaissance Fests when it looked like the whole festival was going to get rained out. The more people we could get the participate, the better the energy was, even if they felt silly dancing and chanting with some goofy looking people in costumes. Amazing what you can get by with when you're wearing a costume. :hehehe:

[Liam]

Thank you Elise and Lunacie for your insight. Sounds like you both have a good deal of experience with weather. Heres my story and Im really nervous to tell it. I don't usually talk about this stuff but the main reason I came to Mystic Wicks was to learn and grow in these matters. I won't be able to do that unless I put myself out there. :)
So to anyone who thinks im nuts you're probably right! ;)

As mentioned in the previous post, when I realized the importance and choices made with weather magic I had stopped. This was around the end of this past July. There was only one incident since that I stepped up to it again. It was the night Gustav came.

Im in northern Louisiana. People still are recovering from Katrina here so when Gustav came barreling toward our coast it was scary. Most people thought that the levees wouldn't hold and New Orleans would be slammed again.

It was supposed to hit land in the early hours of the morning so around 1a or so, I went outside and closed my eyes and just listened to the environment around me. This is something I just do I cant explain it. :) Stilling the mind, and opening the senses creates this feeling of connection. (It also seems to make this odd stirring sensation in my heart area or midsection. Its that place that seems to feel things on a different level. Very hard to explain. Would love to know what that is.)
I was in a relaxed meditative state, and felt connected. I slipped into a kind of dream and saw that in the sky there were two choices before me; one to support life and one to support chaos. The choice of chaos was very exhilarating but irresponsible and wrong on many levels so I chose to support life. (This was difficult. The feeling of chaos was very exciting.)

The scene changed and I was standing on the coast of New Orleans looking out on the gulf. Gustav was a few miles out making its way towards New Orleans. I thought about what could make it stop. I didnt see any answer, so I thought maybe there could be a way to weaken it or deflect it. I felt a huge wind or force coming from the land, along the coast, that spread out in front of New Orleans like a wall. When the storm hit the land, the energy pushed against it. I felt as if a lot of individual's intents including mine were in that energy. I held for as long as I could which wasn't that long, but long enough to feel that I helped in my own way at least a little bit.
The odd thing was as I was waking up, I felt something. That this effort would be allowed to a certain degree but more would come because a lesson still needed to be learned.

I woke up. The next day my wife saw on the news that the storm had weakened, the levees had held and its path had adjusted. She commented that at the last minute the storm had taken an unexpected turn to the northwest and weakened.
It still caused a lot of damage and there were deaths attributed to it. But I have to believe that if it had hit New Orleans directly it would have been a lot worse.

I don't know alot about how dreaming works, or weather magic, and maybe it was all just a dream. I do know that whether it was real or not, at least I had the responsibility when faced with the choice, to choose to help people and the situation and to be one more voice in the crowd helping.

[Lunacie]

Thank you Elise and Lunacie for your insight. Sounds like you both have a good deal of experience with weather. Heres my story and Im really nervous to tell it. I don't usually talk about this stuff but the main reason I came to Mystic Wicks was to learn and grow in these matters. I won't be able to do that unless I put myself out there. :)
So to anyone who thinks im nuts you're probably right! ;)

As mentioned in the previous post, when I realized the importance and choices made with weather magic I had stopped. This was around the end of this past July. There was only one incident since that I stepped up to it again. It was the night Gustav came.

Im in northern Louisiana. People still are recovering from Katrina here so when Gustav came barreling toward our coast it was scary. Most people thought that the levees wouldn't hold and New Orleans would be slammed again.

It was supposed to hit land in the early hours of the morning so around 1a or so, I went outside and closed my eyes and just listened to the environment around me. This is something I just do I cant explain it. :) Stilling the mind, and opening the senses creates this feeling of connection. (It also seems to make this odd stirring sensation in my heart area or midsection. Its that place that seems to feel things on a different level. Very hard to explain. Would love to know what that is.)
I was in a relaxed meditative state, and felt connected. I slipped into a kind of dream and saw that in the sky there were two choices before me; one to support life and one to support chaos. The choice of chaos was very exhilarating but irresponsible and wrong on many levels so I chose to support life. (This was difficult. The feeling of chaos was very exciting.)

The scene changed and I was standing on the coast of New Orleans looking out on the gulf. Gustav was a few miles out making its way towards New Orleans. I thought about what could make it stop. I didnt see any answer, so I thought maybe there could be a way to weaken it or deflect it. I felt a huge wind or force coming from the land, along the coast, that spread out in front of New Orleans like a wall. When the storm hit the land, the energy pushed against it. I felt as if a lot of individual's intents including mine were in that energy. I held for as long as I could which wasn't that long, but long enough to feel that I helped in my own way at least a little bit.
The odd thing was as I was waking up, I felt something. That this effort would be allowed to a certain degree but more would come because a lesson still needed to be learned.

I woke up. The next day my wife saw on the news that the storm had weakened, the levees had held and its path had adjusted. She commented that at the last minute the storm had taken an unexpected turn to the northwest and weakened.
It still caused a lot of damage and there were deaths attributed to it. But I have to believe that if it had hit New Orleans directly it would have been a lot worse.

I don't know alot about how dreaming works, or weather magic, and maybe it was all just a dream. I do know that whether it was real or not, at least I had the responsibility when faced with the choice, to choose to help people and the situation and to be one more voice in the crowd helping.

That's a cool story, Liam. I think weakening or deflecting really violent storms is okay if it looks like they are going to really affect a large number of people, possibly causing death. How many is "a large number?" Hmmm. There were certainly a lot more people in New Orleans than there were in Greensburg, but percentage wise, the whole town and much of the surrounding county that depends on the county seat for so many things like schools and medical care was affected. So both of those storms impacted a large number of people, one in sheer numbers and one in percentage of population.

Now a hurricane doesn't really rate any higher in wind force than a tornado, but it's a heck of a lot bigger and it lasts a lot longer. So I think the only way one person would have any affect on that big a storm would be by joining forces with other people. Six years ago I would have been skeptical that there were enough people in the path of that storm to make a difference. But five years ago I learned that there are actually at least 3 other people in the Wichita area trying to make a difference when severe storms roll across our area, and now I have no doubt that there are probably more than twice that number that I don't know about. Maybe even more than that. Makes me wish we could all get together the way the storm spotters do and discuss ways to weaken or deflect these storms as a team. All these towns that have been demolished in the last 50 years... all these people who have died... we could make a difference. If we could agree on what to do and how to do it. Hmm, how likely would that be? :weirdsmil

As far as where you were feeling the energy, I believe that was your power chakra, your solar plexus, your "center". This is where your personal power comes from, and where you can best connect your power to the power of others to work together. It's sometimes called "going with your gut." You can draw power or energy from the earth, from the cosmos/sky, or both of those, and then let them mingle in your "center" and then use them instead of depleting your own personal power and waking up feeling like it was a dream that left you feeling you were getting over the flu.

[~Elise~]

what she said...couldn't have said it better.

Thanks for sharing...and I don't think you're crazy...

[Liam]

Thank you both. :) I felt really happy to hear your responses. It was very supportive. :)

Yes the energy along the coast that I saw in the dream was the hope, prayers and intent of alot of people mixed with the energy of the land, coastal weather conditions and whatever else was mixed in at that moment. You are right there is so much more strength in groups. A group with a decided and focused intent could deflect or even deflate a hurricane of that size. Its really amazing the energy thats raised in groups.

Ahh that makes sense about the power chakra! And I do feel as if Im tapping it directly instead of mingling it in the way you described. It would explain why im so exhausted half the time. It does feel like flu symptoms. Thats fascinating thank you!

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Just a thought...

A book some might be interested in...

"The Black Goddess And The Unseen Real"

By Peter Redgrove , poet laurete of England...

He co-wrote the "Wise Wound"...on menstruation , and magick...

Quite a unique individual , and there is much on weather , and
sensitivity , to weather , in his book...

I , for one...would recommend , at the very least...a look into his
most well researched , and very different writings...:thumbsup:



"I know that inside the clouds the audio pulses of the wind echo too, like vast resonant chambers which are floating electrostatic machines and transducers of radiant energy also, masers tuned by the whole balance of things to emit as that balance will."
Peter Redgrove, The Black Goddess and the Unseen Real: Our Unconscious Senses and Their Uncommon Sense

[Lunacie]

Just a thought...

A book some might be interested in...

"The Black Goddess And The Unseen Real"

By Peter Redgrove , poet laurete of England...

He co-wrote the "Wise Wound"...on menstruation , and magick...

Quite a unique individual , and there is much on weather , and
sensitivity , to weather , in his book...

I , for one...would recommend , at the very least...a look into his
most well researched , and very different writings...:thumbsup:


"I know that inside the clouds the audio pulses of the wind echo too, like vast resonant chambers which are floating electrostatic machines and transducers of radiant energy also, masers tuned by the whole balance of things to emit as that balance will."
Peter Redgrove, The Black Goddess and the Unseen Real: Our Unconscious Senses and Their Uncommon Sense



Sounds like a very interesting book, but the cheapest copy I see online is over $30 and I don't feel I can afford that much for a book. It's very doubtful that our small-town library would have a copy either.

[MariThorn]

I'm curious as to whether other weather witches can also sense a bad storm or period of bad weather coming months or weeks in advance? As a child I always knew when a bad storm would be coming, I called snow out of clear skys with no clouds for Christmas, and as an adult I've known when tornadoes are in the area without radios and televisions. I just get a feeling of intense energy and almost a niggling at the back of my mind that I need to prepare. Last February a bad tornado was headed towards where I live in Arkansas, and I kept telling my household that we needed to do something, but it was dry and quiet outside. Finally someone turned on a radio and they all heard verification, a tornado was less than 15 minutes away and headed towards our town. Everyone flipped out but me, I went to my bedroom and got out my drum. I quietly sang the storm away from my town and at the back of my mind while doing this was that where ever it went no people be hurt. Kinda like weaving a spell inside a spell. It did hit a town Highland, AR but not one person was harmed there and about the time I did the big push (I had just heard on the radio that it was headed for the High School where a basketball was scheduled) it is recorded as for some bizarre reason being literally forced off its track South into a wildlife preserve. There is no way one can explain this to gainsayers, but I know that I helped in saving lives that night.

Also, I don't take the storm's energy . . . I unravel it like a sweater.

[Liam]

Yea you guys got hit up there. We're in Monroe, LA about 45 min from the Arkansas border and I remember hearing about that.
In a meditation at the beginning of August I saw a spiraling current of air in the sky I felt that related somehow to the hurricanes that were to come at the end of august. When they did the winds over our town were very strong at one point, especially from Ike. Tree trunk almost broke off on our house.

Very nice that you use drumming and singing to focus your intent.

[Lunacie]

I'm curious as to whether other weather witches can also sense a bad storm or period of bad weather coming months or weeks in advance? As a child I always knew when a bad storm would be coming, I called snow out of clear skys with no clouds for Christmas, and as an adult I've known when tornadoes are in the area without radios and televisions. I just get a feeling of intense energy and almost a niggling at the back of my mind that I need to prepare. Last February a bad tornado was headed towards where I live in Arkansas, and I kept telling my household that we needed to do something, but it was dry and quiet outside. Finally someone turned on a radio and they all heard verification, a tornado was less than 15 minutes away and headed towards our town. Everyone flipped out but me, I went to my bedroom and got out my drum. I quietly sang the storm away from my town and at the back of my mind while doing this was that where ever it went no people be hurt. Kinda like weaving a spell inside a spell. It did hit a town Highland, AR but not one person was harmed there and about the time I did the big push (I had just heard on the radio that it was headed for the High School where a basketball was scheduled) it is recorded as for some bizarre reason being literally forced off its track South into a wildlife preserve. There is no way one can explain this to gainsayers, but I know that I helped in saving lives that night.

Also, I don't take the storm's energy . . . I unravel it like a sweater.

Yep, I can tell when it's "tornado weather" by the way I feel. Sometimes I have woken up in the morning and knew it was going to snow that day or the next, but that's not as reliable as my tornado guage.

I've never tried drumming a storm away, sounds like a great thing for me to try. I unwind the storm's energy, you unravel it, those sound very similar.

[SilverClaw]

Yep, I can tell when it's "tornado weather" by the way I feel.
Yep I can to, for me it is the temperature of the wind where I can tell if it is a normal storm or tornado.

[Infinite Grey]

Who says I'm a witch that likes nature...not all of us do, you know. That's an illogical assumption on your part.

But, if we did get together and work on a global scale to fix something that science and industry screwed up because of their lack of tolerance and acceptance...all you would do is dismiss it...start a thread in another forum mocking the efforts.

You made the mess with your technology and disregard for the ecosystems (ohhh...they don't exist...tree huggers. There's no balance in the Earth's systems)...get out of it yourself. Don't come whining to me.

TTFN

Convenient. :smileroll