Hull family on £32k benefits want more

[TygerTyger]

A FAMILY-of-12 from Hull have been dubbed Britain's biggest freeloaders - but today defended their £32,000 annual benefits.

Unemployed Harry and Tracey Crompton share their seven-bed house - two semis knocked into one - with their 10 children.

They survive entirely on benefits and growing their own food - and believe the state should provide them with more money.

Mrs Crompton, 40, said she is hurt when neighbours - who gave the family their uncomplimentary nickname - hurl insults.

She said: "I'm not satisfied with the benefits we get - I want more. I haven't been able to work because I've had to bring up the kids and Harry's got health problems.



"Every time I walk down the street, people shout 'scroungers'."

From here: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Hull-family-32-000-benefits-say-need-money/article-398641-detail/article.html

I am so sorry that they hurt by people calling them 'scroungers', I'd use a softer term; 'SPONGERS!"

I am disabled too but I've worked since leaving school, with a brief sojourn into higher education, and I don't think the world owes me anything! These people make me sick and the fact that they are from my home town only makes it worse!

:razz:

[la tortuga]

lol he can't work because of angina and IBS? HAH! My mother has all of her lumbar region
vertebrae fused together and works as a school nurse!

I don't know what the cost of living is there but that seems like a HELL of a lot of money just for housing benefits and disability! What example are they setting for their kids? It seems as if they're quite spoiled, since the mother says she buys things like TVs and video games all the time. I remember my parents wanted the little rock garden picked up and moved and they paid me and my godbrother $1 per huge coffee can to pick it all up from the area they wanted it moved from and we had it done in a day. Bought some awesome transformer toys with it, too, if I remember correctly. Point is some people teach their kids they have to work for what they want and what they have... but if parents don't set that example how on earth can they expect that their children will grow up to be any more productive?

[TygerTyger]

Oh the children will be productive alright!

Each of them will produce 12 of their own to maintain the lifestyle they've become accustomed to!

[Fluoxetine]

A friend of mine has 10 kids over in Leeds. He repairs computers and does other things to provide income for his family.

Maybe if he had the snip at the 4th child he would not be getting his face plastered all over the newspapers and leaving himself open for ridicule like that. They are spongers. Most of the 32k could go to local hospital for a nurse for 6-9 months pay, or fund needy/disabled children to a small holiday so their carers can get rest.

So yes they are spongers/money grabbers.

[aranarose]

It's people like this that make it difficult for others who truly need it and truly can't work to get the benefits that they need.

Government benefits should NOT be used to buy TVs and video games. They should be for the basics of survival alone, and if a family is getting more than necessary for survival, they are getting too much.

There are PLENTY of things a person with a disability can do to make money. Angina and IBS? Those aren't disabilities. Those might be limitations, but they can be worked around. And they can both be treated.

Cut those people off and use that money for people who really need it.

[WitchJezebel]

Scroungers, pure and simple. He's got IBS and angina and can't work? Bullpuckies, he's a lazy ass that needs to get a job. While we're at it, the 3 oldest children should be working at least part time to bring something into the home.

The fact that they're growing all their own food and the money that's being spent in the markets is for chips and sodas just adds insult to injury. I think they should have their benefits cut in half, maybe it'll force Daddy to get a job.

[TygerTyger]

There seens to be a consensus of opinion growing about this - a pity the politicians are too PC to do anything about it!

[TygerTyger]

This story is developing!


Families of 12 with a difference: One lives on Dad's £15,000 wage... their neighbours get £32,000 benefits (yet still complain)

It is a story which crystalises the dubious values encouraged by the British welfare state.


While hardworking Sean and Anne Tate scrimp to afford a few little luxuries for their ten children on his £15,000 lorry driver's salary, a family of the same size two miles away take things a little easier.


Harry Crompton, 50, has been out of work for 15 years and his wife Tracey, 40, has never had a job.

From here:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1078246/Families-12-difference-One-lives-Dads-15-000-wage--neighbours-32-000-benefits-complain.html

Hurrah for the working man!

[orangeconey]

WTF! That's over $55,000 USD for doing nothing!

The thing that really gets me is their disgusting attitude about it. There are so many of us who would be so grateful for even a fraction of that.

I feel guilty for applying for unemployment benefits. I don't even want the money, I just want help to go to school so I can get a decent job and support my family. Even Tony has said he wants to work, and he has days where he can barely get out of bed. He's kinda having fun using the gvt though :kooky:

It honestly feels so much better to do things on your own, and have there be help for when it's really needed, or for the kids. I want nothing for myself save school assistance. However, med insurance for my daughter is a priority. Mrs Crompton is such a SLAG for misusing all that money(and just in general, LOL) and apparently her kids are scraggly and not well cared for(I read the comments on that page)

Grrrr!

[Iris]

I'm sick of stories like this. This is a crappy local newspaper, none of us know the real circumstances or the family's true financial or health situation, just what is being reported in a very strongly biased article. So before we take this as gospel and jump on the mudslinging bandwagon, shall we just consider the source? And also remember that we don't have a right to judge anyone?

Why do people think that being a BRITISH TAXPAYER makes them GOD? The self-righteousness makes me sick. I pay taxes. What I DON'T do is jump on the right-wing bandwagon everytime some half-baked newspaper story comes along and go red in the face and spit my decaff all over the Daily Express I'm reading.

[Iris]

And can I also point out that I am strongly suspicious of the veracity of these stories, from the POV of someone who was raised by a single mother on benefits? In my personal experience, benefits are usually diddly-squat and it is very difficult to live on them, much less have a comfortable lifestyle. So all this crap about seven-bedroomed mansions and families on £40,000 a year and so forth really doesn't ring true to me.

[aranarose]

I'm sick of stories like this. This is a crappy local newspaper, none of us know the real circumstances or the family's true financial or health situation, just what is being reported in a very strongly biased article. So before we take this as gospel and jump on the mudslinging bandwagon, shall we just consider the source? And also remember that we don't have a right to judge anyone?

Why do people think that being a BRITISH TAXPAYER makes them GOD? The self-righteousness makes me sick. I pay taxes. What I DON'T do is jump on the right-wing bandwagon everytime some half-baked newspaper story comes along and go red in the face and spit my decaff all over the Daily Express I'm reading.

Actually, we do have the right to judge. We make judgments every day, good or bad.

And someone pulling in the equivalent of $55,000 a year in benefits simply because they don't want to try to work? Yeah, I'm going to judge away.

And just because your mother didn't work the system doesn't mean there aren't people that do it.

In the U.S. it's become such a rampant problem, that there are severe cutbacks and crackdowns making it more difficult for those who have a legitimate need for benefits to get them.

[)O( ~ Khara~ )O(]

If HE cannot work because of his angina and IBS (this is Irritated Bowel right?) Then why doesn't SHE go to work and let him play Mr. Mom?

I tend to agree, they shouldn't have been so irresponsible to have brought that many lives into the world when they were having to rely on government monies to support them.

[Fluoxetine]

I'm sick of stories like this. This is a crappy local newspaper, none of us know the real circumstances or the family's true financial or health situation, just what is being reported in a very strongly biased article. So before we take this as gospel and jump on the mudslinging bandwagon, shall we just consider the source? And also remember that we don't have a right to judge anyone?

Why do people think that being a BRITISH TAXPAYER makes them GOD? The self-righteousness makes me sick. I pay taxes. What I DON'T do is jump on the right-wing bandwagon everytime some half-baked newspaper story comes along and go red in the face and spit my decaff all over the Daily Express I'm reading.

So your tax from your employment is paying them to be loafers and you do not like the idea of them not leeching the system that can give help to a family with someone terminally ill the care they really need? Well thanks for paying my unemployment. It is always nice to know that people do not care about these matters when they are earning all that money to keep these in food and clothing. It must be a real nice feeling that the order of self importance is working and the devil may care attitude we all have when we pay tax to keep them in their home(s).

There are people out there who do not wish to work. They want to stay at home, make babies and leech off of the state that workers pay for. I used to live around these type of people. They just do not care what they get as long as they do not have to lift a finger to get it. So while you do your 9am start to 5.30 finish for 5-6 days per week earning all that money, they are welching off the state that your tax pays into so they can sit back and live the life many wish they had.

[Iris]

So your tax from your employment is paying them to be loafers and you do not like the idea of them not leeching the system that can give help to a family with someone terminally ill the care they really need? Well thanks for paying my unemployment. It is always nice to know that people do not care about these matters when they are earning all that money to keep these in food and clothing. It must be a real nice feeling that the order of self importance is working and the devil may care attitude we all have when we pay tax to keep them in their home(s).

There are people out there who do not wish to work. They want to stay at home, make babies and leech off of the state that workers pay for. I used to live around these type of people. They just do not care what they get as long as they do not have to lift a finger to get it. So while you do your 9am start to 5.30 finish for 5-6 days per week earning all that money, they are welching off the state that your tax pays into so they can sit back and live the life many wish they had.

That's the downside of having a system like we have in the UK. There will always be people who abuse it (and I'm sure, as you know this family personally *ahem* that you just KNOW for sure they are nothing but worthless SCROUNGERS, as you know every single detail of their lives, of course). But you know what? I still defend the system. I still want the system to stay. I still think the system is better than throwing people out on the streets, or denying them food or healthcare or other basic neccessities because they don't work. FOR WHATEVER REASON.

That tax money is also mine. I don't think it gives me the right to think of myself as almighty.

At the end of the day, what is this really all about? It's about the fact that people like to feel self-righteous. That's ALL it's about. So the good and great BRITISH TAXPAYER can splutter out his cornflakes every morning and go off to work feeling trumped-up and hard-done-by.

That's the ONLY reason people read these stories, and it makes me cringe. That's the ONLY good these stories do...to make a whole lot of 'middle-englanders' feel they are worth something. While these 'scroungers' (who are often, funnily enough, though not in this case, also immigrants) should of course just be euthanised for the greater human good.

The Morning Star had an interesting front page article about this today, about how the media 'wages war on the poor'. It's absolutely true. As far as I'm concerned, you all need to get off your high horses and stop enjoying your cosy self-righteous indignation quite so much.

And may I point out that the system also works for YOU when it has to? You and your families and friends. I would stake my LIFE on the supposition that many of these stories are exaggerated, if not completely fabricated. People are so quick to react to something when it justifies their sad paranoias.

Oh, and I didn't see this bit before...it's interesting that you mention people with illnesses, because it just so happens someone very close to me has an incurable illness, and is on Disability benefit. So I'm in the perfect position to say that I STILL think all these articles do NOTHING but make people feel self-righteous. Which of course is a great and vital public service; allowing the brick layers and shop workers and teachers of Britain to splutter indignantly.

[SSanf]

LOL!! Clearly they are the smartest people in the neighborhood. They get to sit around, have sex and make babies while the rest of the world works and pays their bills while at the same time outbreeding themselves. Clearly they are the fittest and their children will inherit the earth. Darwin says they are the clear winners this generation.

Those complaining about it are just expressing sour grapes at having been outsmarted.

[aranarose]

That's the downside of having a system like we have in the UK. There will always be people who abuse it (and I'm sure, as you know this family personally *ahem* that you just KNOW for sure they are nothing but worthless SCROUNGERS, as you know every single detail of their lives, of course). But you know what? I still defend the system. I still want the system to stay. I still think the system is better than throwing people out on the streets, or denying them food or healthcare or other basic neccessities because they don't work. FOR WHATEVER REASON.

That tax money is also mine. I don't think it gives me the right to think of myself as almighty.

At the end of the day, what is this really all about? It's about the fact that people like to feel self-righteous. That's ALL it's about. So the good and great BRITISH TAXPAYER can splutter out his cornflakes every morning and go off to work feeling trumped-up and hard-done-by.

That's the ONLY reason people read these stories, and it makes me cringe. That's the ONLY good these stories do...to make a whole lot of 'middle-englanders' feel they are worth something. While these 'scroungers' (who are often, funnily enough, though not in this case, also immigrants) should of course just be euthanised for the greater human good.

The Morning Star had an interesting front page article about this today, about how the media 'wages war on the poor'. It's absolutely true. As far as I'm concerned, you all need to get off your high horses and stop enjoying your cosy self-righteous indignation quite so much.

And may I point out that the system also works for YOU when it has to? You and your families and friends. I would stake my LIFE on the supposition that many of these stories are exaggerated, if not completely fabricated. People are so quick to react to something when it justifies their sad paranoias.

Oh, and I didn't see this bit before...it's interesting that you mention people with illnesses, because it just so happens someone very close to me has an incurable illness, and is on Disability benefit. So I'm in the perfect position to say that I STILL think all these articles do NOTHING but make people feel self-righteous. Which of course is a great and vital public service; allowing the brick layers and shop workers and teachers of Britain to splutter indignantly.

There ain't nothin' "cozy" about my life.

I'm poor. I make less than $10,000 a year.

And I find these people to be absolutely pathetic. It makes the people, of ANY country, that work their asses off to make half what these people are getting look like fools. Because we work our asses off, while they get to sit on their asses getting fatter.

I'm on state benefits. Food Stamps and Medicaid for my son and I. And yeah, I could sit on my ass, start popping out the kids, and work the system.

Any country that offers any sort of socialized welfare benefits is going to see bottom-feeders like this family suck off and abuse the system. And it's those very bottom-feeders that spread the resources so thin.

There are people who genuinely cannot work. Or who have been trying to work but just can't find a job. And those are the people who deserve the benefits.

Not the people who could work but simply refuse to.

[Fluoxetine]

That's the downside of having a system like we have in the UK. There will always be people who abuse it (and I'm sure, as you know this family personally *ahem* that you just KNOW for sure they are nothing but worthless SCROUNGERS, as you know every single detail of their lives, of course). But you know what? I still defend the system. I still want the system to stay. I still think the system is better than throwing people out on the streets, or denying them food or healthcare or other basic neccessities because they don't work. FOR WHATEVER REASON.

That tax money is also mine. I don't think it gives me the right to think of myself as almighty.

At the end of the day, what is this really all about? It's about the fact that people like to feel self-righteous. That's ALL it's about. So the good and great BRITISH TAXPAYER can splutter out his cornflakes every morning and go off to work feeling trumped-up and hard-done-by.

That's the ONLY reason people read these stories, and it makes me cringe. That's the ONLY good these stories do...to make a whole lot of 'middle-englanders' feel they are worth something. While these 'scroungers' (who are often, funnily enough, though not in this case, also immigrants) should of course just be euthanised for the greater human good.

The Morning Star had an interesting front page article about this today, about how the media 'wages war on the poor'. It's absolutely true. As far as I'm concerned, you all need to get off your high horses and stop enjoying your cosy self-righteous indignation quite so much.

And may I point out that the system also works for YOU when it has to? You and your families and friends. I would stake my LIFE on the supposition that many of these stories are exaggerated, if not completely fabricated. People are so quick to react to something when it justifies their sad paranoias.

Oh, and I didn't see this bit before...it's interesting that you mention people with illnesses, because it just so happens someone very close to me has an incurable illness, and is on Disability benefit. So I'm in the perfect position to say that I STILL think all these articles do NOTHING but make people feel self-righteous. Which of course is a great and vital public service; allowing the brick layers and shop workers and teachers of Britain to splutter indignantly.

Err... No. There is not high horse here. Just basic realisation of what they are doing. The system is not working if they are earning more than a middle management office employee. They are basically being given a ticket to live free while the real people like me have to suffer the indignity of having to watch everyone around you slowly curl up into the hole of unemployment.
They are raking it in to be brutally honest. I am getting £2,298 per year on unemployment. And they seem to justify that as good? And they are not poor. How can they £32,000 per year and say they are needy? If I had that amount of money I would be paying income tax in the second band of rates. Even earning that amount self employed would tide me over nicely.
As for the morning Star.... Less said the better. Democratic Socialist newspapers always take the ideal of gunning for the underdog and marching around shaking fists, but they still go home to their middle class suburbia homes with their HD TV and watch the TV shows like the rest of us, but in more style. Their life is made for them. She is a baby factory and he is a complainer who does not want to work.
If I can live on £2,298 per year, they can live on £16,000 no problem. Their choice is to sit around and rake it in. They are living off of you and are laughing at you as well. And yes, I did grow up around these type of people. Coming from a mining town to see it torn down and replaced with teenage baby makers and unemployed men being bitter about not getting work is what I saw when I was leaving school. I have seen how the system works. I have been told again and again how to fiddle the system to meet my needs. How to get a can of Stella before the unemployment medical and claim to be a alcoholic depressive just so I can get more incapacity. I have known all the tricks. And they have worked. That is what they are doing. They are making the system work for them but taking away the money that rightfully belongs to real people with real problems or have real needs for things to be made better
The time I got a social fund loan I had to basically tell the man behind the desk that if he did not give me that money for a new cooker he would be responsible for the explosion from the gas canister I had to cook from. There was no canister. I lied, but they do not know that. All they say is "Look 10 kids, 2 houses, we need money. Give now". Sod off. Here is a cheaper option. Vasectomy or £2 for a packet of condoms. Either way stop claiming more money and get a job.

[TygerTyger]

On the question of veracity, Tracy Crompton, the woman complaining about her benefits not being enough, was on the same Adult Education Pathway course as my wife. She earned the nickname "Tracy Ten-Kids" because all she talked about was how big her family was and how much money they got.

She was the only student on the course to turn up with a laptop! There was some doubt as to her commitment to complete the course as she was often late and disruptive. Like my wife she cose to apply to the Access to Nursing higher education course, unlike my wife she turned up for her interview at the local university in a soiled tracksuit and t-shirt, forgot her documentation, answered her mobile halfway through the interview, and was not offered a place.

In this instance the story is true, but it doesn't make me proud to say that!

[Fluoxetine]

On the question of veracity, Tracy Crompton, the woman complaining about her benefits not being enough, was on the same Adult Education Pathway course as my wife. She earned the nickname "Tracy Ten-Kids" because all she talked about was how big her family was and how much money they got.

She was the only student on the course to turn up with a laptop! There was some doubt as to her commitment to complete the course as she was often late and disruptive. Like my wife she cose to apply to the Access to Nursing higher education course, unlike my wife she turned up for her interview at the local university in a soiled tracksuit and t-shirt, forgot her documentation, answered her mobile halfway through the interview, and was not offered a place.

In this instance the story is true, but it doesn't make me proud to say that!

There is a film made in 2006 called Idiocacity [sp] that showed a bizarre dystopia future where the intelligent people thought more of their work than bringing up children while the idiots bred like mad. Go 500 years later and you find the world ruled by idiots who make Bush look like Einstein.

Looks like the film is right. The idiots are breeding out the intellegent ones.

[TygerTyger]

There is a film made in 2006 called Idiocacity [sp] that showed a bizarre dystopia future where the intelligent people thought more of their work than bringing up children while the idiots bred like mad. Go 500 years later and you find the world ruled by idiots who make Bush look like Einstein.

Looks like the film is right. The idiots are breeding out the intellegent ones.

Marie Stopes might actually ahve been right then?! :hairred: