View Full Version : 8 year old with a Uzi??
Astara Seague
October 27th, 2008, 01:58 PM
Why would you give a 8 year old a UZI????:hairred:
WESTFIELD, Mass. — An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.
The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said.
The boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said.
Christopher died at Baystate Medical Center.
Police said the boy's father was at the gun fair and accompanied his son in the ambulance, but it wasn't clear if he was at the firing range with Christopher at the time of the accident. Police didn't give the father's name.
Although police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting," police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.
"We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," District Attorney William Bennett said Monday.
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.
Officials of the private club and the firearms group could not be reached for comment. There was no response to a message left on a club answering machine. The C.O.P. group's machine clicked off without taking a message.
The sportsman's club was founded in 1949 and describes itself on its Web site as promoting "the interest of legal sport with rod, gun, and bow and arrow, both directly and through training."
It has eight firing ranges as well as archery and fishing facilities located on 375 acres in Westfield, about 100 miles west of Boston.
aranarose
October 27th, 2008, 02:09 PM
It's one thing to teach chidren how to properly handle again. It's idiotic to allow them to handle a gun that is far too powerful for their little bodies to control. I hope these guys fry.
Astara Seague
October 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM
the range and the father for giving him permisson!! :uhhuhuh:
RainInanna
October 27th, 2008, 05:49 PM
I don't get it.
Obviously these guys know what kind of kickback an uzi has. Why would they even think an 8 year old should try it?
Nicholas
October 27th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I guess I'm the bad guy here, his is an unfortunate accident and nothing more. Everything was done legally, although i was not the smartest idea in the world it was preformed by the book. No one should be held accountable, blame the regulations.
Xander67
October 31st, 2008, 04:10 AM
It was an accident. The boy had an instructor there with him and his father as well. If you think that is so horrible you ought to see the video of the 11 year old girl where she field strips and reassembles an AR-15 in under 60 Seconds. She currently now holds the record. The Second is a video of her demonstrating the proper use at the shooting range.
NOTE: This girl is under the supervision of her father at all times while this video is filmed. Also, she is currently enrolled in self defence training at her local shooting range.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpMSfREaQM
ignescentphoenix
October 31st, 2008, 04:20 AM
That is really cool xander, and I wish my parents were that cool. Lets not forget though, a little boy is dead. He was not eleven, he was 8. He was firing an Uzi, and the parent should have to do some jail time for his death.
btw
I know someone who let thier 4 year old shoot a pistol with him right there, when a kid is firing a weapon, they need more then supervision.
Fluoxetine
October 31st, 2008, 04:32 AM
Was it firing 9mm or a .22? If it was 9mm then it is a gross miscalculation on the event organisers. Maybe converting it down to .22 would have been better.
But the child has died. And with the USA having a obsession with guns it will be another point raised in the gun control lobby from there on in. If they start using that as reference, I may not be happy with their ideas of reform/control.
aranarose
October 31st, 2008, 07:46 AM
I don't like gun control. I like gun responsibility. And when things happen because people were irresponsible, those people should be held accountable.
Xander67
October 31st, 2008, 08:35 AM
That is really cool xander, and I wish my parents were that cool. Lets not forget though, a little boy is dead. He was not eleven, he was 8. He was firing an Uzi, and the parent should have to do some jail time for his death.
btw
I know someone who let thier 4 year old shoot a pistol with him right there, when a kid is firing a weapon, they need more then supervision.
I agree, I am sure the range had cameras there, most now are using them to cover their own. For a firearm to flip up like that and then fire at the shooter, the shooter would have to have either been playing Cowboy or not holding it correctly to begin with. I am sure the facts will come out. It is a shame that this happened.
Was it firing 9mm or a .22? If it was 9mm then it is a gross miscalculation on the event organisers. Maybe converting it down to .22 would have been better.
But the child has died. And with the USA having a obsession with guns it will be another point raised in the gun control lobby from there on in. If they start using that as reference, I may not be happy with their ideas of reform/control.
Yeah the British Monarchy would have just been delighted if Americans werent so obsessed with the idea that we have the right to bear arms and to protect our property. Especially now when the writing is all over the wall and Combat units are taking up positions on our home soil.
There won't be a cival war in this country. Tolerance is the last virtue of a dieing society. If our liberties are taken from us it is our right and duty to defend the constitution. Ergo the 2nd American Revolution
Xander67
October 31st, 2008, 08:37 AM
I don't like gun control. I like gun responsibility. And when things happen because people were irresponsible, those people should be held accountable.
QFT
The Best thing a parent can do is to teach their child the proper use and purpose of firearms and to teach responsibility.
aranarose
October 31st, 2008, 08:39 AM
QFT
The Best thing a parent can do is to teach their child the proper use and purpose of firearms and to teach responsibility.
My son is an excellent marksman, and he's 11. One of the best in his Young Marines outfit. He can outshoot many of the adults. But I'd never let him handle a weapon as powerful as an Uzi. His little body just could not handle that. Hell, many adults wouldn't be able to handle it!
ErinTheWitch
October 31st, 2008, 12:00 PM
8? wow that's old for kids in this area. Parents around here are letting their kids handle guns at 4 and 5 years old. -_-
I think it's terrible to let kids so young handle loaded guns. I'm all for gun rights and teaching resposiblity to kids but I don't think children so young should be shooting guns. I think by 8 you should start letting them handle an UNloaded gun but not shoot them. They should be thought how to hold the gun, clean the gun and gun safety way before they are aloud to shoot a loaded gun. But that's just what I think. If someone wants to let their little boy or girl shoot a gun so young that's on them but they should be held responsible for putting the gun in the child's hands if something goes wrong.
Xander67
October 31st, 2008, 07:03 PM
8? wow that's old for kids in this area. Parents around here are letting their kids handle guns at 4 and 5 years old. -_-
I think it's terrible to let kids so young handle loaded guns. I'm all for gun rights and teaching resposiblity to kids but I don't think children so young should be shooting guns. I think by 8 you should start letting them handle an UNloaded gun but not shoot them. They should be thought how to hold the gun, clean the gun and gun safety way before they are aloud to shoot a loaded gun. But that's just what I think. If someone wants to let their little boy or girl shoot a gun so young that's on them but they should be held responsible for putting the gun in the child's hands if something goes wrong.
Good Point :thumbsup:
Caitlin.ann
October 31st, 2008, 11:03 PM
It was an accident. A father lost his child that is punishment enough.
Astara Seague
November 1st, 2008, 12:06 AM
QFT
The Best thing a parent can do is to teach their child the proper use and purpose of firearms and to teach responsibility.
hear hear!!
Nuadu
November 3rd, 2008, 05:26 PM
That is a horrible story...
My God am I the only person thats read this thread and seen the answer to why kids are taking guns to the playground. Jesus I dont even smoke infront of my 8 year old nephew incase he gets ideas.
Im all for cultural diversity and I understand that your right to bear arms is embedded in your constitution but Americans come on letting a child play with a lethal weapon???
aranarose
November 3rd, 2008, 05:33 PM
It was an accident. A father lost his child that is punishment enough.
So if someone neglects their child, and the child dies, we should do nothing about it, because after all, your child doing is punishment enough.
Bartmanhomer
November 3rd, 2008, 05:51 PM
Why would you give a 8 year old a UZI????:hairred:
WESTFIELD, Mass. — An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.
The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said.
The boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said.
Christopher died at Baystate Medical Center.
Police said the boy's father was at the gun fair and accompanied his son in the ambulance, but it wasn't clear if he was at the firing range with Christopher at the time of the accident. Police didn't give the father's name.
Although police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting," police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.
"We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," District Attorney William Bennett said Monday.
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.
Officials of the private club and the firearms group could not be reached for comment. There was no response to a message left on a club answering machine. The C.O.P. group's machine clicked off without taking a message.
The sportsman's club was founded in 1949 and describes itself on its Web site as promoting "the interest of legal sport with rod, gun, and bow and arrow, both directly and through training."
It has eight firing ranges as well as archery and fishing facilities located on 375 acres in Westfield, about 100 miles west of Boston.
What kind of moron would give a retarded ass idea like that?! It's legal to do that?! That a load of bullshit! :atantrum::atantrum::atantrum::atantrum::atantrum:
Nicholas
November 3rd, 2008, 06:32 PM
Seriously, if you all are so offended by this... go write some letters. Complaining for change never did anything. I'm all for gun control, and to me this was a legit setting with a legit supervisor. It was an accident and nothing criminal had been done, in your legal system. Preaching for justice won't do anything unless you start protesting, take some action and if you win kudos to you.
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 07:04 PM
So if someone neglects their child, and the child dies, we should do nothing about it, because after all, your child doing is punishment enough.
You can't make that correlation here. This is a huge difference between neglecting a child and an accident. Good grief people!
aranarose
November 3rd, 2008, 07:06 PM
You can't make that correlation here. This is a huge difference between neglecting a child and an accident. Good grief people!
Is there? Neglecting to make appropriate decisions regarding whether a child is ready to handle such a weapon is still neglect.
Nicholas
November 3rd, 2008, 07:13 PM
Is there? Neglecting to make appropriate decisions regarding whether a child is ready to handle such a weapon is still neglect.
As I said, perfectly LEGAL. The appropriate measures were taken, shit happens. You're opinion of neglect is entirely based on your own values, in reality this was an accident and as long and it by all regulation.
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 07:15 PM
As I said, perfectly LEGAL. The appropriate measures were taken, shit happens. You're opinion of neglect is entirely based on your own values, in reality this was an accident and as long and it by all regulation.
What he said.
Glowy
November 3rd, 2008, 07:24 PM
As I said, perfectly LEGAL. The appropriate measures were taken, shit happens. You're opinion of neglect is entirely based on your own values, in reality this was an accident and as long and it by all regulation.
I third this.
Hopefuly, because of this terrible accident, maybe more regulations will be made. Clearly the child was not strong rnough for the gun. Maybe that will be taken into consideration, size, maturity and age.
watersprite
November 3rd, 2008, 07:24 PM
My father taught me, at a very young age, how to shoot everything from a pellet gun to a 9 millimeter hand gun to a 12 gauge deer rifle. He kept me up on it and I am now registered for my handgun and have several deer rifles. He also taught me how to load shells for the bigger guns, and the ratio of pellet to wad, etc. I still have that written down, as he tested me on it. Don't ask me to tell you from memory. I still have his shell loader. It is nice and clean and near the guns. Locked up like he taught me. When I wasn't practicing with the guns or the shell loader, they were locked up in his gun safe. Those items are mine now. I keep my 9 millimeter handy. I will do as he says and practice frequently and protect myself and my home as needed. IT is great to go to the range and practice when I get sick of some of the stuff that goes on on line. Just put a face on it and hit a bulls eye every time.
That child should have been supervised CONSTANTLY by his father. That is neglect and total irresponsibility.
Bartmanhomer
November 3rd, 2008, 07:31 PM
My father taught me, at a very young age, how to shoot everything from a pellet gun to a 9 millimeter hand gun to a 12 gauge deer rifle. He kept me up on it and I am now registered for my handgun and have several deer rifles. He also taught me how to load shells for the bigger guns, and the ratio of pellet to wad, etc. I still have that written down, as he tested me on it. Don't ask me to tell you from memory. I still have his shell loader. It is nice and clean and near the guns. Locked up like he taught me. When I wasn't practicing with the guns or the shell loader, they were locked up in his gun safe. Those items are mine now. I keep my 9 millimeter handy. I will do as he says and practice frequently and protect myself and my home as needed. IT is great to go to the range and practice when I get sick of some of the stuff that goes on on line. Just put a face on it and hit a bulls eye every time.
That child should have been supervised CONSTANTLY by his father. That is neglect and total irresponsibility.
Agree or should never even use the gun in the first place.
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 07:40 PM
I agree with watersprite.
This could have been prevented. This child is dead from his father's neglect.
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 08:28 PM
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
Clearly not neglect in the eyes of the law regardless of what ones personal opinion is.
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 08:46 PM
I wonder what the dead kid thinks about the law?
The kid was firing an uzi. Do you know how much kick-back that type of gun would produce? You might have difficulty with it. Giving a kid that kind of gun is negligent. The child obviously wasn't supervised well enough.
Astara Seague
November 3rd, 2008, 08:54 PM
I third this.
Hopefuly, because of this terrible accident, maybe more regulations will be made. Clearly the child was not strong rnough for the gun. Maybe that will be taken into consideration, size, maturity and age.
my thoughts exactly:thumbsup:
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 08:55 PM
What exactly do you guys mean by regulations?
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 09:02 PM
I wonder what the dead kid thinks about the law?
The kid was firing an uzi. Do you know how much kick-back that type of gun would produce? You might have difficulty with it. Giving a kid that kind of gun is negligent. The child obviously wasn't supervised well enough.
What the dead thinks is at this point of no importance since he's well..dead. If you don't like the law instead of crying for neglect charges for the father you should seek to change it so that next time the poor dad will be charged with neglect.
I don't care how much kick back it produces, the father didn't neglect the law so no neglect. You OPINION is that its neglect but according to the law its not. You can throw your opinion around all day long but until the laws are changed the point is well..moot.
banondraig
November 3rd, 2008, 09:04 PM
That is a horrible story...
My God am I the only person thats read this thread and seen the answer to why kids are taking guns to the playground. Jesus I dont even smoke infront of my 8 year old nephew incase he gets ideas.
Im all for cultural diversity and I understand that your right to bear arms is embedded in your constitution but Americans come on letting a child play with a lethal weapon???
Yeah, well, the right to homeschooling is embedded in your constitution, and sometimes people screw that up, too. The fact that two idiots failed this poor child does not mean that all guns are bad, or that no child should be taught how to handle a gun appropriately sized for that child's strength and maturity level. It means that two idiots failed this poor child.
My personal belief is that gun control means hitting your target. That said, no child that young should be allowed to handle a fully automatic weapon. It should have been obvious, to the point of common sense, that he wouldn't be able to handle it. The instructor should lose his license and go to jail. The father is also guilty of criminal negligence, in my opinion, if not sheer terminal stupidity. HE will surely get a Darwin award for this.
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 09:37 PM
What the dead thinks is at this point of no importance since he's well..dead. If you don't like the law instead of crying for neglect charges for the father you should seek to change it so that next time the poor dad will be charged with neglect.
I don't care how much kick back it produces, the father didn't neglect the law so no neglect. You OPINION is that its neglect but according to the law its not. You can throw your opinion around all day long but until the laws are changed the point is well..moot.
The father is guilty of neglect, whether or not he broke the law. The point is moot? A child is dead, I really don't know how you can be so blaze about it.
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 09:38 PM
The father is guilty of neglect, whether or not he broke the law. The point is moot? A child is dead, I really don't know how you can be so blaze about it.
Children die all the time.
Until the father has broken the law he can't be charged with neglect.
The law was not broken.
He can not be charged with neglect.
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 09:45 PM
Children die all the time.
Until the father has broken the law he can't be charged with neglect.
The law was not broken.
He can not be charged with neglect.
Just because he can't be charged with neglect, doesn't mean he didn't neglect his child.
Nicholas
November 3rd, 2008, 09:49 PM
Just because he can't be charged with neglect, doesn't mean he didn't neglect his child.
In this cultural reality it does. :)
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 09:53 PM
This isn't the first time someone has gotten away with murder.
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 09:55 PM
This isn't the first time someone has gotten away with murder.
If you think its criminally punishable then seek to change the laws instead of just whining about it. Just saying, nothing will get done from debating over the net. Write someone or do something, lol.
Nicholas
November 3rd, 2008, 09:59 PM
That will sound funny in court:
"You're guilty of leaving a child attended with an instructor, legally shoot a automatic weapon, at a legal hobbyist shootout!"
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 10:00 PM
If you think its criminally punishable then seek to change the laws instead of just whining about it. Just saying, nothing will get done from debating over the net. Write someone or do something, lol.
Im not whining, Im complaining. I don't live in Mass anymore, and I've got plenty of things to change down here in my community. If I was going to do anything related with guns, I would make sure retards like this ex-father don't offer fuel for the people that would like to ban guns.
*looks around* Yup this is a message board. I thought this is where people debate things and talk about whats on thier mind? lol
Caitlin.ann
November 3rd, 2008, 10:03 PM
Im not whining, Im complaining. I don't live in Mass anymore, and I've got plenty of things to change down here in my community. If I was going to do anything related with guns, I would make sure retards like this ex-father don't offer fuel for the people that would like to ban guns.
*looks around* Yup this is a message board. I thought this is where people debate things and talk about whats on thier mind? lol
Pushed all the right buttons did I? Lol.
aranarose
November 3rd, 2008, 10:12 PM
Actually, the legality of something has little if anything to do with neglect. It is not mandated that a parent seek medical treatment for a child. It's not anywhere in the law. However, if a parent refuses to seek medical treatment for a sick child, and that child dies or is seriously injured, the parent can be charged with neglect, or even negligent homicide.
In Michigan, there is no legal determination as to the age at which a child may be left home alone. It's a subjective judgment based on the maturity and readiness of a child. However, you can bet that a parent that leaves their five-year-old home alone can and will be charged with neglect.
Just because there is no law against an 8-year-old child handling an Uzi does not mean the parent cannot be charged with neglect. If he was negligent in his duties as a parent, as determined by the court, he can be charged. Allowing a child to handle a gun that is obviously too powerful for his body to handle could very well be seen as negligent of parental duties, whether an instructor was there or not.
ignescentphoenix
November 3rd, 2008, 10:14 PM
Pushed all the right buttons did I? Lol.
?:foh:
Glowy
November 3rd, 2008, 10:56 PM
What exactly do you guys mean by regulations?
Ok, what I mean by regulations, is that the gun show, state, county, .. what have you.... learns from this. A child lost life because of a professional, supervised accident. Lets make the rules-" tighter".. Can we have a simullation weapon that gives off the fire power? Maybe than we could have parents suing that the child has a black eye- this is an issue that will always be a problem
I hate weapons.. I don't want to take them away from others.
This is a terrible tragedy.. The child knew guns, was at a show, he was with a pro, his father was on the site.
this just breaks my heart..
banondraig
November 8th, 2008, 11:05 AM
Actually, the legality of something has little if anything to do with neglect. It is not mandated that a parent seek medical treatment for a child. It's not anywhere in the law. However, if a parent refuses to seek medical treatment for a sick child, and that child dies or is seriously injured, the parent can be charged with neglect, or even negligent homicide.
In Michigan, there is no legal determination as to the age at which a child may be left home alone. It's a subjective judgment based on the maturity and readiness of a child. However, you can bet that a parent that leaves their five-year-old home alone can and will be charged with neglect.
Just because there is no law against an 8-year-old child handling an Uzi does not mean the parent cannot be charged with neglect. If he was negligent in his duties as a parent, as determined by the court, he can be charged. Allowing a child to handle a gun that is obviously too powerful for his body to handle could very well be seen as negligent of parental duties, whether an instructor was there or not.
Thank you.
banondraig
November 8th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Ok, what I mean by regulations, is that the gun show, state, county, .. what have you.... learns from this. A child lost life because of a professional, supervised accident. Lets make the rules-" tighter".. Can we have a simullation weapon that gives off the fire power? Maybe than we could have parents suing that the child has a black eye- this is an issue that will always be a problem
I hate weapons.. I don't want to take them away from others.
This is a terrible tragedy.. The child knew guns, was at a show, he was with a pro, his father was on the site.
this just breaks my heart..
This was an isolated incident. Gun shows like this happen all the time, and usually no one gets hurt. Therefore adequate supervision is in place a good 99% or more of the time. It's enough for the father to be charged with neglect and the instructor to lose his license.
Bartmanhomer
November 8th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Duh! In fact, the instructor should be punished to plus the whole organization.
Caitlin.ann
November 8th, 2008, 11:59 PM
Duh! In fact, the instructor should be punished to plus the whole organization.
Why? What crime did they commit?
banondraig
November 9th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Why? What crime did they commit?
Stupidity.
Caitlin.ann
November 9th, 2008, 12:02 AM
Stupidity.
What actual law did they commit? "They were stupid" won't fly in court.
Bartmanhomer
November 10th, 2008, 06:06 PM
1. They neglect their responsibility making sure that nobody won't get hurt and/or killed (WHICH THEY FAILED)!
2. If they unlicensed by allowing the gun by whoever running the orgranization.
3. If the child get killed by the gun, whoever own the by the person or property of the organization. Is part of their problem.
So therefor the "gun control" organization is in deep trouble and most likely to get sentence by depending on the sentence.
Caitlin.ann
November 10th, 2008, 07:23 PM
1. They neglect their responsibility making sure that nobody won't get hurt and/or killed (WHICH THEY FAILED)!
2. If they unlicensed by allowing the gun by whoever running the orgranization.
3. If the child get killed by the gun, whoever own the by the person or property of the organization. Is part of their problem.
So therefor the "gun control" organization is in deep trouble and most likely to get sentence by depending on the sentence.
1. No they didn't, they did everything legally and the kid had parental consent.
2. What?
3. Nope, it was done legally, accidents happen.
Doubt it.
Nicholas
November 10th, 2008, 07:25 PM
So has anyone followed this up? Where charges ever pressed?
I have a feeling not. :weirdsmil
Astara Seague
November 10th, 2008, 07:28 PM
they havent said much..
but look at this now..it just happened yesterday
8 year old murders DAD and roomate
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/10/child.charged.arizona.killing/?iref=hpmostpop
Caitlin.ann
November 10th, 2008, 07:45 PM
they havent said much..
but look at this now..it just happened yesterday
8 year old murders DAD and roomate
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/10/child.charged.arizona.killing/?iref=hpmostpop
Wow..
Astara Seague
November 10th, 2008, 07:48 PM
they are getting younger and younger
the worlds going to Hell in a bucket
if there is such a place
Caitlin.ann
November 10th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Yep I agree. Hey so if they're old enough to commit a double murder are they old enough to shoot an uzi?
Astara Seague
November 10th, 2008, 08:04 PM
good question:thumbsup:
Nicholas
November 10th, 2008, 08:12 PM
If I recall.. this may have changed since I studied it... a child cannot be charged with murder until they are at least 12. It is believed that a child does not have the proper cognition before 12 to pre-meditate.. or even consider and consequences what so ever. That was a number of years ago though.
I wonder if they have a child sized electric chair.
Caitlin.ann
November 10th, 2008, 08:15 PM
If I recall.. this may have changed since I studied it... a child cannot be charged with murder until they are at least 12. It is believed that a child does not have the proper cognition before 12 to pre-meditate.. or even consider and consequences what so ever. That was a number of years ago though.
I wonder if they have a child sized electric chair.
Thats what I thought as well.
Bartmanhomer
November 15th, 2008, 05:05 PM
1. No they didn't, they did everything legally and the kid had parental consent.
2. What?
3. Nope, it was done legally, accidents happen.
Doubt it.
1. Are they covered by the NRA or some government that will cover their "legal" rules? If not, they go jail!
2. That right, the gun was own by the gun orgranaztion and like I have in 1., are the covered by the government?
3. If it happens legally, there are still responsible for some charge. Like neglect or criminally negligent homicide and not to mention obstruction of justice and using a gun and all the other weapons without a permit.
Caitlin.ann
November 15th, 2008, 05:09 PM
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun." People are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets, it said.
This says all you need to know. There's nothing there to press charges against anyone.
Caitlin.ann
November 15th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Oh but wait, there's more!
"I gave permission for him to fire the Uzi," Bizilj said. "I watched several other children and adults use it. It's a small weapon, and Christopher was comfortable with guns. There were larger machine guns with much more recoil, and we avoided those."
Bizilj, the medical director of the emergency department at Johnson Memorial Hospital in Stafford Springs, Conn., said his son was "very cautious, very well trained, and very much enjoyed firing."
The Uzi was the first gun the boy had fired all day. "It was something he was looking forward to for months," Bizilj said.
Said by the father himself! You'd think the father of the child would be upset and want to press charges, but nope. Because nothing illegal happened!
"It's all legal & fun," the advertisement says. "You will be accompanied to the firing line with a Certified Instructor to guide you. But You Are In Control - "FULL AUTO ROCK & ROLL."
And...
State law requires anyone under age 18 to have parental consent and a licensed instructor to fire an automatic weapon. Otherwise, there is no minimum age to fire such a gun, Nuņez said.
Link (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/10/28/uzi_recoils_questions_echo/?page=2)
Unless they can bring up some serious evidence that this was anything but an accident, there's nothing anyone can do. This was completely LEGAL! Guess what, folks..shit happens. No reason to go all punishment happy over an accident.
Bartmanhomer
November 17th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Well, I'll be darned! :jawdrop:
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