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Philosophia
October 31st, 2008, 09:55 PM
I don't know a lot about military equipment so I was wondering...

What is your favorite piece of military equipment? Why?

Vampiel
November 5th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Are we talking current weapons or weapons in development?

Valnorran
November 6th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Wow, I don't think I could narrow it down to one. Small arms and aircraft have always interested me. Restricting myself to the 20th century, I'd say for aircraft, the Sopwith Camel, Supermarine Spitfire, F4U Corsair, A-10 and F-15. The Russians built some kick-ass choppers, too. Small arms I'd have to go 1903 Springfield, 1911 Government Model .45, M-1 Garand, Thompson submachinegun, and the BAR.

TygerTyger
November 6th, 2008, 02:18 PM
The sword, probably the rapier of all the different types.

The sword makes combat personal, requires skill, courage and strength to use properly. Although I am not looking to kill anyone I just find the whole concept of the sword noble in a strange way.

The Corinithian Hoplite Helmet always moved me too, there's no better looking headpiece in my humble opinion.

Valnorran
November 6th, 2008, 03:20 PM
The sword, probably the rapier of all the different types.
I prefer longswords, myself. However, with my new acquisition of Cold Steel's kopis machete I'm getting a whole new appreciation for shortswords. They are wicked weapons to face. I'd have to add bowie knives, too. But then there's the good ol' battle axe. Man, I love the heft of a good Viking-style battle axe...

Nuadu
November 6th, 2008, 03:27 PM
http://www.eurofighter.com/
Definately the EuroFighter Typhoon - nothing even comes close ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJJVpI8X8E

jodarius
November 6th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Myself <-- Army Sergeant lol

The Katana, beutiful and deadly. Was scientifically proven to be the best all around melee weapon to date.

And the C-130 gunship a.k.a. Spooky and Puff the Magic Dragon

Vampiel
November 6th, 2008, 04:18 PM
http://www.eurofighter.com/
Definately the EuroFighter Typhoon - nothing even comes close ;)



Those things rock with there thrust vectoring engines. Though I think the Raptor would have been a better choice, because they have that, then some.

As far as the most lethal weapon it would be http://www.futurefirepower.com/future-force-warrior-future-combat-systems-soldier the Land Warrior (I think the UK has a version called FIST).

It's a combination of sensors buried/dropped in the area, as well as information from drones, spy planes, normal battlefield intelligence and there also experimenting with very small agile flying robots that fly like a helicopter with just a camera on it to integrate into it as well. Well I should say that flies like a fly, though not THAT small...

It sends the signal to anyone with the system to give them the information with a small LCD screen. There's also a new gun that has explosive rounds and can explode with a pre-programmed distance from the barrel so you can, (the rounds have electronics in them) say make it explode 200 meters away, shoot above/side of what cover they have so it explodes and they still get nailed. The laser sighting automatically gives you a distance to the target, ill have to see if I can find a link for it.

In other words, it will make battles, for who has the system, more like a real-time strategy game. Were your looking over head and can see were they are, how many, what they got and were they are going. So each soldier will know this at all times. Of course it's not perfect, and there are ways around it, and it wont pickup everything... however.

Combined with the gun, all of the sudden they cant hide behind walls, or even hills, because you just shoot right above them. So they wouldn't be able to come out from a safe distance behind whatever it is to shoot at you.


The ultimate weapon is battlefield intelligence and this gives anyone with it basically a game over advantage if they don't. (given if resources aren't overwhemingly unbalanced)

The next step would be to integrate mechanical strength into it, which isn't as far off as some might think.

jodarius
November 6th, 2008, 04:28 PM
The air burst weapon you are referring to is the Bushmaster canon. A devasting weapon.

Vampiel
November 6th, 2008, 04:31 PM
The air burst weapon you are referring to is the Bushmaster canon. A devasting weapon.

If this is what you are referring to http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-44.htm no thats not it. This one is a single soldier weapon, hand carried like the M16 just slightly larger.

Vampiel
November 6th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OICW



The central idea of the program was to develop a rifle that enabled the attacking of targets behind cover by using airburst munitions. The munitions were to be much smaller than pre-existing grenades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenades) and grenade launchers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launchers), but large enough to be effective. The idea was refined into a combination of a short assault rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle) and semi-automatic, low-velocity cannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon) firing air-bursting munitions. The OICW aimed to use advances in computer technology in a weapon that fired grenades automatically pre-set to explode above or beside targets hidden from view. Fragmentation from the exploding grenades would defeat the target when normal rifle fire would be ineffective.


So it looks like they consider the explosive rounds "small grenades" not bullets - makes sense. Though the program has been plagued with all kinds of issues. Looks like the ALIENS gun heh

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/OICW_3.jpg/800px-OICW_3.jpg

Nuadu
November 6th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Myself <-- Army Sergeant lol

The Katana, beutiful and deadly. Was scientifically proven to be the best all around melee weapon to date.

And the C-130 gunship a.k.a. Spooky and Puff the Magic Dragon

Katanas are a very romantic weapon but I wouldnt say they are the best melee weapon purely because of the level of training required to make any clean cuts with a Katana is excessive. You could pick up an Iron bar or a bottle and do more damage more easily.

Case and point see the pics below I got in a fight with a nutter with a Katana 3 months ago. The loon was trying to kill me but he didnt have formal training. The really interesting thing is he actually went for my leg first to try and stop me from running I suppose but the angle was wrong and it didnt result in a cut just a blunt crushing blow.

I managed to close the distance and hold him down and there are pics of the injuries below. Its easy to hack with a Katana but far more difficult to use it effectively. If hed walked up and stabbed me form behind instead of relying on a romantic ego boosting weapon (or if he was less of a loon) Id be dead.

Vampiel
November 6th, 2008, 05:47 PM
:holycow: Holy shit! Glad you came out on top!

jodarius
November 6th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Damn. As per the best melee weapon I was going off of a show discovery channel did that surmised the katana as the best all around weapon. They did alot of tests, and all these weapons were wielded by masters, so I guess it may be its only the best in the hands of a trained person. But it beat out the claymore for cutting and almost equaled the rapier for stabbing. It was an awesome special.

Haerfest Leah
November 6th, 2008, 07:10 PM
I miss my M 249 SAW and M 203.

jodarius
November 6th, 2008, 07:26 PM
I havent fired a weapon in almost 2 years, its crazy. Evidently we dont have to qualify at this duty station.

Valnorran
November 7th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Damn. As per the best melee weapon I was going off of a show discovery channel did that surmised the katana as the best all around weapon. They did alot of tests, and all these weapons were wielded by masters, so I guess it may be its only the best in the hands of a trained person. But it beat out the claymore for cutting and almost equaled the rapier for stabbing. It was an awesome special.
I'm going to have to disagree with Discovery's findings. How well a sword works depends almost entirely on who is holding it. Many Western swords will cut as well as a katana and tend to be stronger, as well.

Valnorran
November 7th, 2008, 10:11 AM
Those things rock with there thrust vectoring engines. Though I think the Raptor would have been a better choice, because they have that, then some.

As far as the most lethal weapon it would be http://www.futurefirepower.com/future-force-warrior-future-combat-systems-soldier the Land Warrior (I think the UK has a version called FIST).

It's a combination of sensors buried/dropped in the area, as well as information from drones, spy planes, normal battlefield intelligence and there also experimenting with very small agile flying robots that fly like a helicopter with just a camera on it to integrate into it as well. Well I should say that flies like a fly, though not THAT small...

It sends the signal to anyone with the system to give them the information with a small LCD screen. There's also a new gun that has explosive rounds and can explode with a pre-programmed distance from the barrel so you can, (the rounds have electronics in them) say make it explode 200 meters away, shoot above/side of what cover they have so it explodes and they still get nailed. The laser sighting automatically gives you a distance to the target, ill have to see if I can find a link for it.

In other words, it will make battles, for who has the system, more like a real-time strategy game. Were your looking over head and can see were they are, how many, what they got and were they are going. So each soldier will know this at all times. Of course it's not perfect, and there are ways around it, and it wont pickup everything... however.

Combined with the gun, all of the sudden they cant hide behind walls, or even hills, because you just shoot right above them. So they wouldn't be able to come out from a safe distance behind whatever it is to shoot at you.


The ultimate weapon is battlefield intelligence and this gives anyone with it basically a game over advantage if they don't. (given if resources aren't overwhemingly unbalanced)

The next step would be to integrate mechanical strength into it, which isn't as far off as some might think.

What bugs me about that is the potential to become overly reliant on advanced technology. One EMP would disable all of those gadgets and the soldiers would be back to needing time-honored battlefield skills. And iron sights.

Vampiel
November 7th, 2008, 03:09 PM
What bugs me about that is the potential to become overly reliant on advanced technology. One EMP would disable all of those gadgets and the soldiers would be back to needing time-honored battlefield skills. And iron sights.

Yup, thats why they still teach map reading. Though I believe there are ways to shield electronics from an emp.

AmericanMe
November 7th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OICW



So it looks like they consider the explosive rounds "small grenades" not bullets - makes sense. Though the program has been plagued with all kinds of issues. Looks like the ALIENS gun heh

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/OICW_3.jpg/800px-OICW_3.jpg

Oh God, not that thing. That piece of crap was rejected by the Infantry School in Ft. Benning GA. It's about the same weight as an M-60 or -240B!

Valnorran
November 7th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Yup, thats why they still teach map reading.
Good. I don't want to see the ground tropps be subjected to the same mistake the gov't made with air war after Korea. They focused entirely on nuclear war. The fighters were designed for spped to intercept bombers or deliver their own nukes. Never again would we fight a non-nuclear war.

Then Vietnam happened. We had to go back and re-learn the basics of air-to-air combat. In WW2 our fighters' kill ratio was something like 10 to 1. In Vietnam it fell to something like 3 or 4 to 1.

Though I believe there are ways to shield electronics from an emp.
I hope so. I was under the impression that all electronics were pretty much toast should an EMP occure, but I really don't know.

BlackLili
November 7th, 2008, 05:27 PM
My favorite military weapon? The cannon.

Historically speaking, large cannons that were first used in Asia and the Middle East changed the face of warfare forever. Then in the middle ages, with the advent of smaller, movable cannons on wheels, this ended much small siege warfare, and again changed warfare dramatically.

Cannons, especially small cannons on wheels, made it so that war never meant the same thing again. Siege warfare was changed forever, the shape and density of fortifications changed, concepts surrounding soldiers and civilians and who was "fair game" changed - and firepower began to get really interesting.

Without the cannon, all those amazing toys and future toys would have developed much slower and more differently. Hail to the cannon! :clapping:

*~Amora~*
November 7th, 2008, 07:43 PM
The pocket knife. It has so many uses and is essential for survival.

Second to that is the swept-hilt rapier.

DyfanSulien
November 8th, 2008, 10:10 AM
I have a preference for Long Knives. Whether, a Seal Pup Elite, or an M88 Bayonet, I think the Knife itself is a revolutionary weapon as far as combat goes. You can talk about swords, and axes, maces, and firearms, but with the exception of pistols no other weapon is as easily used or taught than the knife.

I love swords, and I think they are some of the most elegant of weapons, but, any sword, requires a length of learning to be used at peak effeciency, that well, most people never had the time or money for. The spear is a far more common weapon, but very limited in its uses throughout history, but the knife, everyone has, had, and will probably also have one, they are easy to use, can also be elegant, and a well armed knife fighter will punk, any other weapon out there in one on one combat. Its because they don't have any range, which makes the fighting not only very personal, but also very dirty.

As for more modern military equipment, I'd have lean towards firearms, because lets face it, no matter how high tech you get, wars are won by guys kicking down doors, not just by artillery and aircraft, of course my experience in Iraq and Afghanistan may make me slightly jaded, I think that the M4/M16 system is garbage, was good for its time, but look forward to things like the SCAR-L(H) and H&K 416 for the kinetic rail system. Regardless the future of weapons lay, in l.a.s.e.r.s and in Electromagenetics (rail guns).

Rudas Starblaze
November 8th, 2008, 10:25 AM
all the guys ive known in person who've been in the military have all said the same thing... their favorite piece of military equipment is the x-ray cameras. wont tell ye what they used em for, but use your perverted imaginations...

Vampiel
November 29th, 2008, 04:22 AM
http://www.aircav.com/img/cav/m200.jpg

I love all types of weapons honestly. Rocket launchers, pocket knifes, swords, sharpened sticks, bows, AK-47, snare traps, plastic wire, Cobras, Specter Gunships, pencils, underpants, magazines and middle fingers. Whatever gets the job done for the current situation is my favorite weapon.

Louisvillian
November 29th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Nukes. Just...a brilliant example of human ingenuity. Yeah, it's horrible if we misuse it...but they have opened up so many doors, technologically. And they provide a huge backbone to American military supremacy.

Short of that...Iowa-class Battleship. Pinnacle of battleship technology, and capable of long- and medium-range gunnery and missile assaults. Perfect naval gunship.

Vampiel
November 29th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Actually after much debate ive figured out what my favorite weapon is.


Originally Posted by Vampiel
middle fingers

Horehound
December 13th, 2008, 02:34 PM
me personally i think the coolest piece of equipment the military has is the blow-me=up mobile. basically its design to take a blast by splitting the axle drive away from the body.

Nox_Mortus
December 13th, 2008, 10:38 PM
AK-74, the reliability of an AK-47 and the accuracy of an M-16, great guns.

Bettie
December 14th, 2008, 02:21 AM
"AK-47. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every mother****er in the room, accept no substitutes." - Samuel L. Jackson.

Always had a fondness for the F1-11, too. :)

CoolJ
December 14th, 2008, 02:22 AM
The internet.

Vampiel
December 14th, 2008, 02:54 AM
The internet.

Are you going to mow people down by throwing your cable modem at them?:bigredgri

Seriously though, that is a good point. I wouldnt say the internet as much as telecommunications in general tho

CoolJ
December 14th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Are you going to mow people down by throwing your cable modem at them?:bigredgri

Seriously though, that is a good point. I wouldnt say the internet as much as telecommunications in general tho

:rotfl:

And yeah, you're right. I thought of saying that at first but I'd have to say the internet's my favorite innovation. :lol: For.. many reasons. :heybaby:

Vampiel
December 14th, 2008, 03:41 AM
:rotfl:

And yeah, you're right. I thought of saying that at first but I'd have to say the internet's my favorite innovation. :lol: For.. many reasons. :heybaby:


:bigredgri New idea : give the Jihad's internet access and some free pr0n sites to help erm.. alleviate there frustrations?

Ah yes the internet... bringing peace among the world, one boob at a time.:ballonsmi

sounds like a good slogan to me

Wolf O Volos
December 14th, 2008, 04:32 AM
for a side arm: the Isreali "Desert Eagle" hand cannon...
http://art1.server05.sheezyart.com/image/2/20997.jpg

And for insane killing prowess, the Mi24 HIND helicopter.
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/mi-24_hind.jpg

PhoenixRevival
December 14th, 2008, 05:34 PM
In production and being teseted... by far...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc

Melee, Katana as it was made in the old days... a greater weapon for close combat melee was never made.

nannymouse
December 14th, 2008, 06:12 PM
http://mysticwicks.com/picture.php?albumid=751&pictureid=7594

Vampiel
December 14th, 2008, 10:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc



:boing::clapping:

I want it.:uhhuhuh:

BlueMoon13
December 15th, 2008, 01:05 AM
A-10 Tank Killer. AKA, The Warthog.

Invidosa
December 15th, 2008, 10:44 AM
me personally i think the coolest piece of equipment the military has is the blow-me=up mobile. basically its design to take a blast by splitting the axle drive away from the body.


i just like the phrase "blow-me-up mobile" :giggle:

pawnman
January 7th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Currently operating, it would have to be my beloved BONE. Capable of supersonic, and of flying less than 500 feet off the ground, and a payload that outstrips even the B-52, she is truly a fearsome piece of machinery. At 195,000 pounds empty, and with the capacity for 205,000 pounds of fuel and 48,000 pounds of weapons, she's a big girl.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/b1_cbus.jpg

However, my favorite of all time has got to be the XB-70 Valkyrie. Capable of mach 3+, she's the starting point for planes like the concord and the BONE. Initally designed as a high-speed, high-altitude bomber, the program was relegated to testing status as the Russians developed highly capable, supersonic SAMs. Only two were ever built. One crashed after a mid-air with the chase ship, the other is at the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB.

http://www2.interceptor.com/~thumper/xb2/av1_nasa_bw_65.gif

BearDancing
January 7th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Leopard Tank...cause it was my baby for 15 yrs in the army....electronic firing systems and stabalization....so there:hairred:

Legion
January 21st, 2009, 03:56 PM
Me personally, I miss having huge spools of 550 cord laying around. That's probably the single most useful thing I ever got.

Beyond that, I only really miss my old M16. AR-15s are too bloody expensive as a civilian. Everything else I used to have I can pick up at a surplus shop for cheap (and often cheaper, and in as good of condition, as I could've bought it for at the annex on post. :wth: )

pawnman
January 22nd, 2009, 12:39 AM
Me personally, I miss having huge spools of 550 cord laying around. That's probably the single most useful thing I ever got.

Beyond that, I only really miss my old M16. AR-15s are too bloody expensive as a civilian. Everything else I used to have I can pick up at a surplus shop for cheap (and often cheaper, and in as good of condition, as I could've bought it for at the annex on post. :wth: )

550 cord...hell yeah! I remember at survival school we had to strip out the 550 cord from a parachute, then use it to turn the nylon from the parachute into a tent.

SERE...good times. I'd go back for the "SE" anytime. The "RE"...not so much.

goaway
March 8th, 2009, 10:54 PM
for me, i loved my e tool more than anything else just about. think my m16a2 would be second though

phoenixrising
March 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM
My woobie!! (its a blanket/pillow/pad all in one)

That and the A-10, your arse unpuckers just a little bit when you have one overhead.

HetHert
March 18th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I'm with Phoenixrising on this one.

My all time favorite is the A10 Thunderbolt...aka Warthog...aka Tankbuster/Tankkiller. I had the pleasure of seeing a couple of these flying over Louisianna a couple weeks ago. LOVE EM!

Look at the awesomeness and know that it can rip a tank to pieces. And that's just with the cannon on the front that doesn't include the missile and guidance capabilities.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/

The aircraft is armed with a General Dynamics GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm cannon, mounted in the nose of the aircraft.
Using the cannon, the A-10 is capable of disabling a main battle tank from a range of over 6,500m. The cannon can fire a range of ammunition, including Armour-Piercing Incendiary rounds (API) weighing up to 0.75kg, or uranium-depleted 0.43kg API rounds.
The magazine can hold 1,350 rounds of ammunition. The pilot can select a firing rate of 2,100 or 4,200 rounds per minute. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d6/HetHert1129/A_10_Warthog_002.jpg

Against The Tide
March 18th, 2009, 07:13 PM
On my shopping list GOOD ARMY BOOTS and if I have any change... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mO0qsdSqA

Trithemius
March 18th, 2009, 08:02 PM
A-10 for me too. There's just something about a plane that can a) shred a tank, and b) take as much damage as it can and still fly.

pawnman
March 20th, 2009, 08:48 AM
My woobie!! (its a blanket/pillow/pad all in one)

That and the A-10, your arse unpuckers just a little bit when you have one overhead.

If only they weren't so susceptible to bird strikes in the aft quarter...:hahugh:

sleepycat
March 20th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Equipment I used:
Ma Duce, MK-19 mounted on a humvee, NODs

Equipment others used:
Kiowa, Little Bird, and Appache choppers, 'spooky' , Abrams

"got your back"

kingcanine
April 26th, 2009, 12:22 AM
Personally, gimme a line of 81mm mortars, mah babies back in the corps, and about 5 acres of det-cord wrapped oak trees between me and the enemy. :hahugh:

Seriously though, is there anything out there more fun than det-cord? I think not...

Telluride
April 27th, 2009, 03:01 PM
I've always loved the A-10 Thunderbolt. It's the ground soldier's best friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II

WillowPhoenix
April 27th, 2009, 03:52 PM
I like military vehicles and planes. I like f-16's, F-18's, B117's, B17's, B24's, B25's, P38's, any tanks.

Levity
August 11th, 2009, 02:57 AM
I have a more than slight affinity for revolvers, particulary the SAA. you can fire different types of ammo (hollowpoint, 33special, tracer, ext.) succesively; they never jam like mag-loaders; ther'e just about as waterproof as any gunpowder-based wepon can get. as well as the fact that there extremly durable and cost-effective to produce (and therefore to purchase) the only draw backs are that the have a low firing capacity-6 shots before reload- and that without proper finess and arm strenghth to handle it the recoil can impair the rate of fire & accuraccy.

the sidearm plays a fundamental part in a soldeirs mindset and psychology they are your last line of defense and unlike rifles are expected to be kept within arms reach during every moment of active duty in most militarys. not to mention that most elite units consider it a collective disgrace to the the unit & the individual to ever issue or comply with an order to relinquish the sidearm- this is why honourable dishchargee's are allowed to retire with theirs and dishonourables must hand it over to their CO in a somewhat ritualized event.

in modern warefare to much emphisis is placed large-capicity explosive weapons like fighter jets and and tanks. yes, in the capacity for raw carnage they beat any small-arms fire handsdown, but indiscriminate expliosions are what cause the calatoral civillian causulties that cripple every war effort in this age of free media (veitnamn, korea,& iraq.)

but to conclude my post and awnser your question i'll qoute general goerge patton: "wars may be fought with weapons, but their won by men." in other words, that the human mind when properly conditioned and trained is the most dangerous thing that can be unleashed on any arena of combat.

JimSte
August 11th, 2009, 03:50 AM
It MUST be something retarded - I like that stuff a lot; something from military secret service - yeah I know what's my fav - industrial shimmering keyring-pistols that looks like they emit ultraviolet light. Oh, military grade plastic glasses too.

So, ten cars of naughty hooligans arrive at the parking lot of our headquarters - and I am alone responsible to greet them: istead of taking the stairs and welcome them - I sit in my little room, happy with the glasses, the keyring-pistols, and miniature toy cars like my childish side like to play with in my room at the headquarters. And I say out loud for myself to each of my miniature toycars: - "Perm-parked." "Perm-parked." "Perm-parked." "Perm-parked." "Perm-parked." :)

BryonMorrigan
August 11th, 2009, 04:08 AM
The Katana, beutiful and deadly. Was scientifically proven to be the best all around melee weapon to date.


Katanas are a very romantic weapon but I wouldnt say they are the best melee weapon purely because of the level of training required to make any clean cuts with a Katana is excessive. You could pick up an Iron bar or a bottle and do more damage more easily.


As per the best melee weapon I was going off of a show discovery channel did that surmised the katana as the best all around weapon. They did alot of tests, and all these weapons were wielded by masters, so I guess it may be its only the best in the hands of a trained person. But it beat out the claymore for cutting and almost equaled the rapier for stabbing. It was an awesome special.


I'm going to have to disagree with Discovery's findings. How well a sword works depends almost entirely on who is holding it. Many Western swords will cut as well as a katana and tend to be stronger, as well.

Just to add to this discussion:

1. Never believe everything you see on TV. Those shows are designed for entertainment first, and they are frequently disputed by reputable academics. (Case in point: Have you seen "Deadliest Warrior?" Talk about a load of crap.)

2. There is no quantifiable way to determine "the best melee weapon." It is an entirely subjective exercise. Just because there are a lot of white guys with fetishes for all things Asian, doesn't make it so. (*)

As far as my favorite military weapon?

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:JuISJSrru2ykQM:http://img.alibaba.com/photo/105300698/Roman_Shield.jpg

The Roman Scutum (Shield)

Why? I'll take on your average guy with armed with only a sword, and I'll kick his ass with this shield. Try and hit me when I'm behind this. Do it. Then I'll punch you in the face with my shield, and use my right hand to punch you again. (**)

My number 2 weapon would be a trebuchet. I love siege weapons. :)


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(*) I used to own a store selling swords and various Ren Faire gear. It seemed like a daily occurrence to have some overweight, pimply-faced, I-live-in-my-parent's-house, loser come in and sneer at my European weapons because, "Japanese weapons are superior." As if these losers had ever even held a Japanese sword, or would know what the f--- to do with one if they did. (And no, that garbage you buy at the flea market does not count as a "genuine Japanese katana."

(**) Yes, I know. I'm exaggerating. Just getting people to think outside of the box. Seriously though, if it were an issue of picking a single melee weapon to use against someone using any other melee weapon....I'd still probably go with the scutum.

Twinkle
August 11th, 2009, 05:40 PM
M16 A-2 Service Rifle, for me.

Lightweight, and I love shooting shit.

Just saying.

Levity
August 17th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Just to add to this discussion:


As far as my favorite military weapon?

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:JuISJSrru2ykQM:http://img.alibaba.com/photo/105300698/Roman_Shield.jpg

The Roman Scutum (Shield)

Why? I'll take on your average guy with armed with only a sword, and I'll kick his ass with this shield. Try and hit me when I'm behind this. Do it. Then I'll punch you in the face with my shield, and use my right hand to punch you again. (**)


all in all for melee wepon, at close range i agree with you on the scoutum, but at mid range id say a good old fashoined padlock and chain could reach right around your sheild and land a spot-on right in your temple, but thats comparing two totally ddifferent types off warfare... the scutum was the kalaskinov of its day and a phalanx of those, were practically impenatrable. to the best of my knowledge the only peson ever to defeat the roman phalanx in a one on one open feild equal advantage setting was hannable with his encirclement technique, correct me if im wrong.

Levity
August 17th, 2009, 10:25 AM
Seriously though, is there anything out there more fun than det-cord? I think not...

depends on the amount of det-cord, any one who's handled det-cord wants to do it again, but ive also shot RPG's and howitizers, which gave me more of an adrelinine boost.

Kaliayev
August 19th, 2009, 12:32 PM
The RPG-7. Oh yes...it would have been the Kalashnikov, but my reading suggests that, of late, this has been the weapon of choice for bush armies, insurgents and militias the world over. Cheap, rugged, reliable and able to punch a big hole into anything less protected than an ERA'd tank. Perfect weapon for urban warfare, if you're more worried about death toll than collateral damage.

KC Destroyer of Worlds
August 19th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I'm still in love with the Hello Kitty AK

Kaliayev
August 23rd, 2009, 05:16 PM
Well...its not as bad as the Hello Kitty Ferrari, I guess.

Glowy
August 23rd, 2009, 05:26 PM
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kingcanine
October 3rd, 2009, 10:09 PM
M16 A-2 Service Rifle, for me.

Lightweight, and I love shooting shit.

Just saying.


Waitwaitwaitwait..... you actually LIKED your M-16 A2? What kinda drugs did they give you? And where can I get some? lol.

I hated my A2, never shot correctly, and if it even looked at dirt, I would have to spend an hour cleaning it.

Our instructors told us when we get into combat, pick up the first AK-47 you find and sling your M-16. Much more reliable weapon, IMO.

Caitlin.ann
October 3rd, 2009, 10:48 PM
Do soldiers count? :D

kingcanine
October 9th, 2009, 12:35 AM
Do soldiers count? :D

No, no they do not count. That would be filed under personnel. :fpoke:

However, if your talking federal, not military, service members are classified as government property.

Caitlin.ann
October 9th, 2009, 10:55 AM
No, no they do not count. That would be filed under personnel. :fpoke:

However, if your talking federal, not military, service members are classified as government property.

Oh damn..I just think soldiers are muy calliente..aka SEXY!

So since thats out of the question I choose "really big guns". :toofless::smileroll:thumbsup::uhhuhuh:

BryonMorrigan
October 9th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Waitwaitwaitwait..... you actually LIKED your M-16 A2? What kinda drugs did they give you? And where can I get some? lol.

I hated my A2, never shot correctly, and if it even looked at dirt, I would have to spend an hour cleaning it.

Our instructors told us when we get into combat, pick up the first AK-47 you find and sling your M-16. Much more reliable weapon, IMO.


QFT.

I will always harbor a grudge against them for foiling my Expert Marksmanship qualification in Basic. I shot expert every damn time until it counted. Then it jammed 3 or 4 times during my qualification. I ended up barely getting Marksman. Grrr.

Pagan_Soldier
October 20th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Well seams to be a weapons topic but the best things that have ever come from warfare are advancices in medician, ie penociline, anastitic and improved ways to keep sick soldiers alive to fight another day hands down medician beats any weapon as the best equipment to come from any military.

Then there's radio, radar and many other forms of comms that were devolped for war and put into better use when the fighting stopped, the aeroplane, the tank and such will always be beaten by the next weapon but penociline is still kicking arse today.

yes i'm dyslexic did i spell it right?

Pagan's Sword
November 14th, 2009, 10:50 PM
What can I tell you, once a gun bunny always a gun bunny. Having served 6 years in the U.S. Army as a field artilleryman, my choice is very biased. My choice is the M109A2, 155mm howitzer. I loved the smell of burning gunpowder after a fire mission. The field artillery, we do it with a bigger BANG!

PepperMintFairy
February 25th, 2010, 05:06 PM
Armor.
Good Armor.
Armor that doesnt let a bullet through.
Armor that doesnt kill me with it's weight.
Did i mention armor?

Maverick
March 8th, 2010, 04:18 AM
What could possibly be better than the loudest weapon in the Marine Corps. arsenal? The SMAW!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=588_1212094463

kingcanine
March 27th, 2010, 05:24 PM
What could possibly be better than the loudest weapon in the Marine Corps. arsenal? The SMAW!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=588_1212094463

Those things are pretty badass! Although, you occasionally get the idiot that doesn't remember to check his blast zone first.

GabrielWithoutWings
March 27th, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'll have to defer to my grandfather's judgment and say the M-1 Garand.

He said it was the finest weapon ever made. It would (quote) "drop any German you want at 600 yards guaranteed".

Twig
March 28th, 2010, 01:02 PM
The P-38 lightning. :thumbsup:

As far as actual hardware. Hmmm having fired everything from a M-16 through and 8 inch cannon I would go with the 155mm cannon. Reach out and touch someone...from 15 miles away!!

riftdrifter
March 28th, 2010, 02:28 PM
OHH YESss . . .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1210345008392050115&hl=en&emb=1


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5349770802105160028&ei=n5-vS6vOJ5qoqwLr7K3LBg&q=military+pack+mule&hl=en


Only a matter of time now . . . sensing 01 arizing . . . to become cyborg . . . indeed

Louisvillian
July 24th, 2010, 04:25 PM
Melee, Katana as it was made in the old days... a greater weapon for close combat melee was never made.
Pfft. Oh, god, no. Katana and other Japanese samurai swords were terrible swords, only really useful against unarmoured and lightly armoured opponents; hell, they were fully expected to break in the middle of a fight, hence why soldiers and samurai alike carried two into battle. They're also pretty damn awful for fencing and swordfighting, due to the brittleness of the edge; that same brittleness, however, is a result of the processes that made them incredibly sharp against light armour, cloth, and flesh.

A much better, all-around useful sword would be the basket-hilted broadsword. Jack of all trades, and a master of cutting someone's guts out. Its shape allowed it to puncture plate armour (though not without difficulty) as well as cut into lighter armours and flesh with ease. An excellent weapon.

Micheal
July 30th, 2010, 03:26 AM
I've seen a few assault rifles mentioned, but as far "favourite", no one likes humping the M249 SAW or 203, which is why all the boots usually carry it. :hahugh:That's why we preferred the M16....AK's are reliable as well as I saw mentioned, but doesn't have as effective of a range as an M16, which with a scope, we were able to hit area targets almost as points. Our old PLT SGT picked one up and used it to clear rooms(a time where you don't want stoppage), but had to give it up before we came back home.

My answer would be, boots(actual ones, not newbies) and camelbacks ;) You gota take care of your feet, other than that, "One mind, any weapon."

Elijah123
August 22nd, 2010, 01:20 PM
one of my favorite weapons is the mk-19 automatice grenade launcher. it is very useful in applications where you can indiscriminately destroy personnell and equpiment. The M-2 .50 cal machinegun is an old but very reliable weapon, and the worst piece of weaponry currently being used by the millitary is the M-16 series service rifles, and AK-47 has less accuracy and less range and I would take one of them over an m-16 anyday

Noah
September 22nd, 2010, 01:34 PM
first and foremost, M777 155mm howitzer...you can't deny the "King of Battle".
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/M777_Light_Towed_Howitzer_1.jpg/800px-M777_Light_Towed_Howitzer_1.jpg

now the rest :

AC130 Spectre, A-10 Warthog, M14 rifle

phathead
September 24th, 2010, 06:09 PM
Well, I am a little biased but I would have to say M21 sniper system, M203 grenade Launcher and the M47 Dragon. OK so this Ranger just dated himself.....

CelestialFire_Sai
September 24th, 2010, 06:55 PM
Personally I like the uniforms of the world war 2 era... but when it comes to weapons, I think it would be the tank, or the P90 Semi-automatic Rifle... than again I like assault rifles as well... The desert eagle is a good handgun... -is trailing off-

although with equipment it's definitely gotta be the uniforms that I love the most. It's cool to see the variety from different countries and eras

Faelon_Moon_Hawk
September 30th, 2010, 06:32 PM
I don't know a lot about military equipment so I was wondering...

What is your favorite piece of military equipment? Why?

the SR-71 blackbird, F-117 nighthawk, and a-10 wart hog. i love them all for different reasons. The blackbird is just good looking & fast high flyer, the night hawk unmistakable in looks, a breakthrough in stealth technology, and the hog, so ugly it's hot, and how can you not love a plane built around a gatling gun?

and since some have mentioned uniforms, well hands down that would be USMC Dress Blues :hearteyes then again, i am pretty biased in that matter ^^

herbal_legends
September 30th, 2010, 06:44 PM
My husband is. HOOAH! :weirdsmil

RaeCori
September 30th, 2010, 08:32 PM
My husband is. HOOAH! :weirdsmil

LMFAO!! I was thinking the same thing!! :thumbsup: