What is your mind set about psychic vampires?

[darkangeljbm]

What do you think about them? what do you know about them? PLEASE KEEP THIS NICE NO FIGTHING!

[Caitlin.ann]

Mine is whiney..other than that they're okay.

[Nox_Mortus]

I'm always very uncomfortable at best in their presence, that's al I will say on the matter.

[darkangeljbm]

yes alot of people do feel a little uneasy around them

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't but maybe I'm strange that way. I'm extremely comfortable with them.

[Bettie]

I have no problem with 'em. :)

[Nicholas]

Mine is whiney..other than that they're okay.

I'll make a note to get you back for that remark.

My experience with them in person has been fairly well, I relate and many of those I've met or had friendships with had similar beliefs on the subject matter as myself.

I largely resent the community as a whole, they are largely filled with those who know nothing make hasty assumptions or think that vampirism is some mythical magical phenomena which makes them all powerful...

Generally though one on one without the influence of the larger more egotistical "Houses" or "Communities" I am very comfortable with others who share the deficiency.

On the other foot there are large amounts of those who are not comfortable with me. Sacredsin being one of the few exceptions of those who work with energy who will keep me in their inner circle, mainly because we form a union of engagement. I guess she puts up with me...

[ignescentphoenix]

From what I here you have to slay them with a steak. So if I ever meet one, I will just keep feeding them steak and eggs until they suffer from cardiac arrest.:hahugh:

I don't think I've ever met a psychic vampire. There have been a couple of occasions where I meet someone and they are super annoying. I feel quite drained after. But it didn't feel like a psychic attack.

[Toby Stimpson]

I think it's fascinating.

I mean Im also conscious of people bullshitting me, but Im pretty open. I mean I think I am more interested in the energy draining piece because in some ways it seems like it could be a plausible thing, if one looks at theory of energy manipulation. Im also very interested in the work of Michelle Belanger, although I am still trying to form an opinion on it all.

Whether or not there is a 'war going on' and that they are immortal, well... I become increasingly less tolerant, because in my experiance those who have claimed that they are special or they were Psychic Vampires who had a mission or other seemingly outlandish pieces of knowledge have had a bit of ascrew loose. But I would say that the word Sanguinarian didn't mean anything to those individuals.

[Philosophia]

What do you think about them? what do you know about them? PLEASE KEEP THIS NICE NO FIGHTING!

To be honest, I don't really care. I tend to try and judge people on an individual basis. :smile:

[Louisvillian]

What do you think about them?

My two cents:
Vampirism, in any form, is total bullshit.

But, hey, I'm very skeptical of people claiming shit that doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Phoenix Blue]

But, hey, I'm very skeptical of people claiming shit that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Like believing in gods or magic?

Just sayin'. :)

[Louisvillian]

Okay, revision: I'm skeptical of things that don't make sense to me. :p

[Phoenix Blue]

Okay, revision: I'm skeptical of things that don't make sense to me. :p
Fair enough. :bigredgri

Back to the original question: I've met a couple of psychic vamps, or at least people who claimed to be. As long as they respect boundaries, I'm okay with them.

[HetHert]

I personally believe that people who engage in vampirism in any way are difficient and dysfunctional is some way. I think it's a coping mechanism more than a cure for any state of being. I find that most of the time the psychic vampires and energy vamps are people who have not and are unwilling to heal themselves so they look outside of their own capabilities to complete themselves. I think its a psychological/emotional/energy block that requires deep healing.

That is not to say that the exchange of blood is purely a vampiric as in ritual bonding or blood magic(k)s.

[Caitlin.ann]

From what I here you have to slay them with a steak. So if I ever meet one, I will just keep feeding them steak and eggs until they suffer from cardiac arrest.:hahugh:


Hehe thats the best I've heard yet! Awesome answer! :)

I think it's fascinating.

I mean Im also conscious of people bullshitting me, but Im pretty open. I mean I think I am more interested in the energy draining piece because in some ways it seems like it could be a plausible thing, if one looks at theory of energy manipulation. Im also very interested in the work of Michelle Belanger, although I am still trying to form an opinion on it all.

Whether or not there is a 'war going on' and that they are immortal, well... I become increasingly less tolerant, because in my experiance those who have claimed that they are special or they were Psychic Vampires who had a mission or other seemingly outlandish pieces of knowledge have had a bit of ascrew loose. But I would say that the word Sanguinarian didn't mean anything to those individuals.
This is no war and the only people who believe in it are full of crap. What I believe you're talking about is the same thing that drives many people familiar with vampirism crazy..the fruitbats drawn to the vampire community. That can not be helped, but it also shouldn't be used to unfairly judge those sane members of the community who don't believe in any such nonsense. What you mention though is why Nick and I have become disenchanted and disgusted by the greater community and pretty well left it, still though there are a few sane members left. :p

[Nicholas]

I personally believe that people who engage in vampirism in any way are difficient and dysfunctional is some way. I think it's a coping mechanism more than a cure for any state of being. I find that most of the time the psychic vampires and energy vamps are people who have not and are unwilling to heal themselves so they look outside of their own capabilities to complete themselves. I think its a psychological/emotional/energy block that requires deep healing.

My opinion tends to run on the same line, a very reasonable explanation which does not assume the spiritual or "magical" as most books written on the subject matter. I would also include physical merely because the body reacts to the lack of feeding in various ways. (I'm also positive that it is uncomfortable but you will live through it, many claim that someone with the deficiency will die without the feeding.)



That is not to say that the exchange of blood is purely a vampiric as in ritual bonding or blood magic(k)s.

I have varied opinions on this, personally I think it is the bond and the connection to the other person while exchanging blood which is the actual energy exchange. Mostly through emotional energies that are given off, I think the blood is merely a catalyst or a placebo which leads into the actual energy exchange.

However, this opinion is threatening to most communities because it conflicts with the authorities on the matter.

[Lunacie]

My two cents:
Vampirism, in any form, is total bullshit.

But, hey, I'm very skeptical of people claiming shit that doesn't make a lick of sense.

As someone who has experienced the sharing of energies and sends healing energy to others fairly regularly, I know that people often need energy. When someone says "I just need a hug" it's the warm comforting energy that they're seeking.

As far as needing to feed on blood instead of energy, I have no experience with that in any form, so my opinion would have little value.

[Louisvillian]

As someone who has experienced the sharing of energies and sends healing energy to others fairly regularly, I know that people often need energy. When someone says "I just need a hug" it's the warm comforting energy that they're seeking.
Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly call that vampirism.

[Phoenix Blue]

Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly call that vampirism.
I've run into a couple of folks who literally drain the energy out of the room when they enter -- especially if they're there for any length of time. You know what I mean?

[Louisvillian]

I've run into a couple of folks who literally drain the energy out of the room when they enter -- especially if they're there for any length of time. You know what I mean?
No, not really. Maybe that's why I think the whole concept is bogus- I've never seen it or felt it for myself. :bigredgri

[Darth Brooks]

I've met a few self-described psi-vamps but I have never really noticed anything "strange" about them, like me becoming faint or sick when they walk into the room or anything like that. As a matter of fact I typically enjoy being around them. The ones I have met do not have any extraordinary powers of which I am aware. I'm inclined to think, in the privacy of my own mind, that it is simply another case of people co-opting a previously scorned label of taboo (e.g., "witch," "lycanthrope," etc.) as a label of self-reference. And I believe it is good that people are co-opting such terms, because even though it may seem confusing to the rest of our culture, I see it as just one more way in which Set works to initiate the khepher of all maat. In order for cultures to evolve, certain things within those cultures will need to be re-defined.

Of course there are situations in which such people will use such terms as self-descriptors just to make themselves feel more important (as many people who co-opt such terms undoubtedly do, whether we are talking about vampires or witches). But I do believe there are people who honestly feel they have good reason to call themselves such, even if the reasoning only makes sense to them personally. Either way I don't judge them; even though they aren't really vampires by the definition I would use, if that's what they want to call themselves then I can see no reason to object. After all, somebody else can just as easily attack me for the labels and definitions I use for myself, and I'd rather not waste my time with such pedantic squabbles. I say let people call themselves whatever they want, after all, nobody owns a word.

[Morgane]

I have had what I believe to be a psychic vampire in my past.

This person literally drained me to even try to have a conversation with them.

It took me a long time to realize that I had to remove her from my life, and once I did, it was obvious that I should have done so a long, long time ago.

I tend to believe that there are many different degrees of psychic vampirism, some more tolerable than others.

When someone is having a negative affect on your life, it's time to cut them loose.

[Caitlin.ann]

Lol I love how psychic vampirism is always linked to negativity. Can no one honestly see nothing positive about it?

[darkangeljbm]

thanks for keeping this nice so far .

[Nicholas]

I have had what I believe to be a psychic vampire in my past.

This person literally drained me to even try to have a conversation with them.

It took me a long time to realize that I had to remove her from my life, and once I did, it was obvious that I should have done so a long, long time ago.

I tend to believe that there are many different degrees of psychic vampirism, some more tolerable than others.

When someone is having a negative affect on your life, it's time to cut them loose.

I personally feel that it has to do with the amount of control people have over it. There are those who don't even know they have the deficiency and they soak up energy like a sponge. Those types seem to be the most intolerable.

[Caitlin.ann]

Hmm reading through this and other threads I'm curious. Why do you (whoever wishes to answer) think that some people are automatically uncomfortable around psychic vampires and others are the opposite?

[WitchJezebel]

I've run into a couple of folks who literally drain the energy out of the room when they enter -- especially if they're there for any length of time. You know what I mean?

I had a friend like that back in CA, sometimes she was just painful to be around. I had to sever the friendship - but I think too that it was a combination of psy and the fact that she was an extremely unhappy person to begin with.

I don't care about psy-vamps one way or the other, be and do what you want. I do have a problem with someone trying to take energy from me without my permission though.

[evergreen]

I find it rather interesting.

When I first stumbled upon it, I wondered if I was one. (I'm always getting checked for anemia and I've been to many doctors about problems I used to have with fatigue and fainting. Turns out I'm just a weakling. :toofless:) So I tried to take some energy from my dad once (I asked him if I could try. He claims he's met psychic vampires before that have drained him, so I figured he'd be familiar with the feeling.) I'm not one, it turns out, because I felt the same, and he felt the same.

Also, don't psychic vamps love feeding off of crowds? That's when I really knew I wasn't one. Crowds overstimulate me, and I try to avoid them as much as I can.

[Caitlin.ann]

I find it rather interesting.

Also, don't psychic vamps love feeding off of crowds? That's when I really knew I wasn't one. Crowds overstimulate me, and I try to avoid them as much as I can.

Not necessarily. It depends on the person, some say they don't get enough energy from feeding ambiently.

[Lunacie]

Lol I love how psychic vampirism is always linked to negativity. Can no one honestly see nothing positive about it?

I think if a psy vampire affects you in a good way you simply feel more balanced or natural energy-wise rather than suddenly feeling great where before you had felt lousy. On the other hand, going from feeling great to feeling less great or even lousy after being drained by a psy vampire is much more noticable, and that's why they tend to get such a lousy reputation. Because you don't notice it unless it makes you feel crappy. Which is true for most human interactions. Is that a natural human reaction or is it how society has trained us?

[HetHert]

Hmm reading through this and other threads I'm curious. Why do you (whoever wishes to answer) think that some people are automatically uncomfortable around psychic vampires and others are the opposite?

For those that are aware when they are in the room it goes one of a couple ways...there are those that are offended by the intrusion, those that have enough security in their own mechanisms to be immune, there are the enablers who feel they are helping or get off on being needed in that capacity, and then there are the blissfully ignorant.

Nick I agree with your perspective as well.

[Morgane]

I personally feel that it has to do with the amount of control people have over it. There are those who don't even know they have the deficiency and they soak up energy like a sponge. Those types seem to be the most intolerable.

I firmly believe this was the case with my "friend". I do not believe she knew what she was doing, and I think it cost her alot of people in her life through the years, and is still doing so.

I don't necessarily associate all levels of psychic vampirism with negativity, Sacredsin.

With the particular person that I was talking about, it became absolutely toxic after a few years.

I have known people who drained energy from me in different ways than the person I was talking about, and I wouldn't describe my relationship with them in a negative light at all. It's when it becomes overbearing that I will remove myself from the situation.

I think we all "feed" off one another to an extent. :uhhuhuh:

[Lilrodrigues]

I dont really care about vampires, psy or not. They believe whatever floats their boat, its all bull to me, and we might or not get along depending on that persons personality and how we are able to comunicate and respect each other.

[HetHert]

I have varied opinions on this, personally I think it is the bond and the connection to the other person while exchanging blood which is the actual energy exchange. Mostly through emotional energies that are given off, I think the blood is merely a catalyst or a placebo which leads into the actual energy exchange.
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I believe that blood carries an essence of a person so it is, to me, a very physical way to form a connection, much like sex. Semen and blood are very energetic fluids by nature. Blood being the house of an energy producing organelle and semen being a very energetic cell by nature as part of the whole creative process. So I feel that the fluid itself is very much a part of the energy exchange. Now the connection that brings to people to that point of exchange is just as important so I do agree with what you say about that. I'll agree with the placebo affect if participants are ignorant of the power in both body fluids. Like with all energies I think it really has to do with how open/receptive one is to it's presence and affects.

[Xentor]

What is your mind set about psychic vampires?
My mind is not set about them at all.


What do you think about them? what do you know about them?
I think about them as little as possible. As a result, I don't know a lot about them. People say they're dangerous. I say, prove they exist first, and we'll talk thinking and knowing later.


PLEASE KEEP THIS NICE NO FIGTHING!
As we are on MW where the first community rule is respect, I deem this statement a tad fore-bearing and belittling. And oh, your caps lock is stuck.

[Phoenix Blue]

As we are on MW where the first community rule is respect, I deem this statement a tad fore-bearing and belittling. And oh, your caps lock is stuck.
We had to close an earlier thread on vampires and vampirism, so it's actually a good reminder to everyone.

[Xentor]

We had to close an earlier thread on vampires and vampirism, so it's actually a good reminder to everyone.

That's a shame. :(

[Xentor]

I've run into a couple of folks who literally drain the energy out of the room when they enter -- especially if they're there for any length of time. You know what I mean?

I've experienced that myself. I wonder whether this effect can be quantified.

(o.O... popular movie moment: "who ya gonna call?" :bow:)

[SammieAnn]

That's a shame. :(

I agree with you. It is really a shame. I get tired of threads getting closed down because people can't seem to get along.

Back on topic, I really do not know that much about vampires to make a call one way or another.

[Inward Visionary]

Lol I love how psychic vampirism is always linked to negativity. Can no one honestly see nothing positive about it?

I think we all feed off of eachother's energy, we are all vamps. I think the one's that are seen to be the greatest vamps are great leaders, visionaries, dreamers. They need all of the energy they can get to accomplish their vision, which may be the most brilliant vision ever imagined. But there is always an opposite.

[Vampiel]

I personally feel that it has to do with the amount of control people have over it. There are those who don't even know they have the deficiency and they soak up energy like a sponge. Those types seem to be the most intolerable.

Im somewhat curious about this. I have never met anyone that seems to "drain my energy" in any way just by being there, though through words they can effect me. I wonder if it's just more of a mental thing.

If ya believe that kinda stuff, ya might feel it, but if ya dont, its just like meeting Tom Piper at Wal-Mart.

I challenge any vampires to simply approach me and make me feel drained. I wonder if anyone has ever felt that about me, I do get kicks off some weird mental things but never thought anyone would feel it just from being near me.

[Clair de la Lune]

If people go around drinking blood, aren't they concerned at all about getting sick or blood born diseases or pathogens like the flu, hepatitis, or worse: HIV or AIDS?

Also, what is this 'deficiency' that is causing that to happen? I have heard of it but it is usually accompanied by pale skin, circles under the eyes, severe anemia, and photophobia and hypersensitivity to light...among many other severe symptoms. Forgot what it's called. Help me out?

[~Belladonna~]

To be totally honest here, I've really got no time for them (most of them anyway). 95% of them come across as self-centred, attention seeking wannabe's and I've not got time for that s**t.

I know there must be ones out there that aren't like this but all the ones I've met are, hence my low opinion of them.

Also, I got sick and tired of certain ones coming into the occult store I work in and trying to zap all my energy. I mean, wtf? Who the hell do they think they are?

I'm yet to come across a nice one...

And before you say it. Yes, I know I shouldn't tarnish everyone with the same brush (and I'm not) I'm just voicing my opinion on the ones I've come across, and believe me, they are not giving the "vamp" community a good name.

[Caitlin.ann]

To be totally honest here, I've really got no time for them (most of them anyway). 95% of them come across as self-centred, attention seeking wannabe's and I've not got time for that s**t.

I know there must be ones out there that aren't like this but all the ones I've met are, hence my low opinion of them.

Also, I got sick and tired of certain ones coming into the occult store I work in and trying to zap all my energy. I mean, wtf? Who the hell do they think they are?

I'm yet to come across a nice one...

And before you say it. Yes, I know I shouldn't tarnish everyone with the same brush (and I'm not) I'm just voicing my opinion on the ones I've come across, and believe me, they are not giving the "vamp" community a good name.

Fair enough and you're very right in many many ways. Those new to the path are very much as you described, heck most who find vampirism are just wanna-bees and posers. I find there are few I've come across in my time that are truly mature as far as control and respect go. They are out there, just very often over shadowed by the majority.

[Caitlin.ann]

If people go around drinking blood, aren't they concerned at all about getting sick or blood born diseases or pathogens like the flu, hepatitis, or worse: HIV or AIDS?

Also, what is this 'deficiency' that is causing that to happen? I have heard of it but it is usually accompanied by pale skin, circles under the eyes, severe anemia, and photophobia and hypersensitivity to light...among many other severe symptoms. Forgot what it's called. Help me out?

Yes and no.

As far as blood exchanges are concerned, and to be honest I'm not used to talking about this where minors can read it, there are those who are very cautious and those that are not at all. I'm quite sure there are those out there that could care less about any risks they are taking. But, for those who do care, there are a few common sense rules that they seem to follow.

1. Know your donor/feeder inside and out, be able to trust them because you are handling his/her life and vice versa in your hands.
2. Get regular testing for all blood-borne diseases and illnesses.
3. Only extract the blood with sterile equipment, NEVER bite anyone to draw blood.

Of course there are those who may use razor blades, I HIGHLY condemn that, personally unless you're an adult and you know absolutely with 100% accuracy what you're doing and where you're cutting. The general device used are small diabetic lancets, though I have seen needles for drawing blood used before as well. As long as you know exactly what you're doing with 100% accuracy with consenting adults there is nothing wrong with that type of exchange. I can not stress enough though, that if anyone is going to do a blood exchange to be VERY careful. I will say again, I rarely talk about this where minors can read as doing such makes me feel only slightly uncomfortable.

The consequences of not following the above commonsense rules (and more I haven't thought of I'm sure) can lead to illness or death. There are many within the community who are dying of AIDS and who have contracted other illnesses for whatever reason that are directly related to the unprotected exchange of bodily fluids. I will also add that there are groups within the general community that not condemn Sanguine exchange and Sanguinary vampires, stating either that such does not exist or that one can get their energy through psychic means if they're really vampires.

I've heard of it (the symptoms of the condition you mentioned) but not its escaping my mind too. The thing is, the ONLY thing that determines whether you are or are not a vampirism is the NEED for energy. Pale skin, aversion to sunlight, etc. all have to do with personal preference and genetics. Also, its not only vampires that give or take energy, we all do in varying degrees. All the symptoms I've ever heard about vampires can apply to anyone anywhere, condition or not. Its the need that determines whether one is or is not though.

The issue, however is, there are many young kids that visit the online community every year, especially during Halloween or summer when school is out and get drawn into the community and want to become vampires themselves. They are not the ones who have spent many hours upon hours for years researching and learning, they are the ones that find something, are instantly drawn to it, dress the part (pale, black hair, vamp fangs, aversion to sunlight, etc.) that I most commonly run into. They are some of the ones that cause trouble and raise questions about wars and what not. They are the ones who as soon as they lose interest they leave for the next big thing that interests them and we are joined by one or two more just like them to take their place. We generally call those people "fruit bats" though. :)

[AkashaLuna]

I have been on both ends.

[Chibi-Fallon]

I think we all feed off of each other's energy, we are all vamps. I think the one's that are seen to be the greatest vamps are great leaders, visionaries, dreamers. They need all of the energy they can get to accomplish their vision, which may be the most brilliant vision ever imagined. But there is always an opposite.

I sort of agree. It seems like anyone who is naturally extroverted ("extroversion: the act, state, or habit of being predominantly concerned with and obtaining gratification from what is outside the self" source: Merriam-Webster) could be called a psychic vampire. It really doesn't seem like it's any sort of special power.

I've looked into it a bit when I was younger and.... well it seems like for people who need other people to survive a lot of psychic vampires are nerdy loners which seems sort of strange. I don't know if I buy into it anymore than I buy into indigo children and that sort of thing.

Obviously if someone could feed off me in a way that I felt, or anything like that I'd change my mind.

[AkashaLuna]

Well I can say that I have felt it often [being fed on].
And it's not a good feeling...

But, I've also been the feeder, involuntarily...

So I can say that is is real.

<3

[Inward Visionary]

Let me see if I can expand on what I said earlier. Take for example the owner or manager of a company. Even better, take for example Bill Gates. He had a vision to create Microsoft. He wanted every computer to be running Windows. In order to achieve this, he needed a lot of employees. Those employees are working for him to build up his vision. Is that not a form of psychic vampirism? Bill Gates is utilizing the energy of thousands of employees to accomplish his vision for Microsoft? He would have never achieved his goal if he didn't have all of those employees focusing on the same goal. Then they also suck energy out of the consumers by making us pay ridiculous prices!

:mmm:

[~Belladonna~]

Fair enough and you're very right in many many ways. Those new to the path are very much as you described, heck most who find vampirism are just wanna-bees and posers. I find there are few I've come across in my time that are truly mature as far as control and respect go. They are out there, just very often over shadowed by the majority.

Agreed! I suppose it's like anything though, you always get the wannabe's in whatever it is you do.

I would love to meet a vamp that didn't want to suck my energy dry or one that didn't use shock value as their main selling point.... maybe it's the shop I work in... it seems to attract all sorts of weird ones and not just vamps :uhhuhuh: Saying that though, it might be me the one who attracts them :weirdsmil

[Caitlin.ann]

I sort of agree. It seems like anyone who is naturally extroverted ("extroversion: the act, state, or habit of being predominantly concerned with and obtaining gratification from what is outside the self" source: Merriam-Webster) could be called a psychic vampire. It really doesn't seem like it's any sort of special power.

I've looked into it a bit when I was younger and.... well it seems like for people who need other people to survive a lot of psychic vampires are nerdy loners which seems sort of strange. I don't know if I buy into it anymore than I buy into indigo children and that sort of thing.

Obviously if someone could feed off me in a way that I felt, or anything like that I'd change my mind.

Vampires aren't necessarily nerdy and saying such is a gross over-generalization. My fiance isn't nerdy, though he is a loner. There are other vampires I know who aren't loners nor nerdy. They don't go hand in hand together, sorry.

As for being a special power, its not more special than anything else.

[Caitlin.ann]

Well I can say that I have felt it often [being fed on].
And it's not a good feeling...

But, I've also been the feeder, involuntarily...

So I can say that is is real.

<3
That totally depends though I suppose its different for everyone. Sometimes it can be quite pleasurable. :p



Let me see if I can expand on what I said earlier. Take for example the owner or manager of a company. Even better, take for example Bill Gates. He had a vision to create Microsoft. He wanted every computer to be running Windows. In order to achieve this, he needed a lot of employees. Those employees are working for him to build up his vision. Is that not a form of psychic vampirism? Bill Gates is utilizing the energy of thousands of employees to accomplish his vision for Microsoft? He would have never achieved his goal if he didn't have all of those employees focusing on the same goal. Then they also suck energy out of the consumers by making us pay ridiculous prices!

:mmm:

No its not. Thats called a form of business. All people make and lose energy on a regular basis; however, a vampire puts out/loses more energy than its body makes for whatever reason (there are many theories on this) and so must make up that energy from outside sources..a la feeding. The Vampire can make up this energy from feeding off people, animals, nature (storms), etc.

In what you mention with Bill Gates and Microsoft an equal exchange of energy is going on. For example: Bill hires employees, pays them, his vision is complete. That costs him money, energy and time. The employees get a nice job, money, and get to do (preferably) what they like, sending money into their work and to their boss. Its an equal exchange.

Now if you're talking for example you meet my fiance (or on the rare occasion me if I want to) and you start to feel sleepy, angry, sick, etc., for no other reason then that would maybe be a form of psychic vampirism.

Many people use the example of a very needy and emotionally draining friend or family member, but even "neediness" and the condition don't go hand in hand.

[Inward Visionary]

No its not. Thats called a form of business. All people make and lose energy on a regular basis; however, a vampire puts out/loses more energy than its body makes for whatever reason (there are many theories on this) and so must make up that energy from outside sources..a la feeding. The Vampire can make up this energy from feeding off people, animals, nature (storms), etc.

In what you mention with Bill Gates and Microsoft an equal exchange of energy is going on. For example: Bill hires employees, pays them, his vision is complete. That costs him money, energy and time. The employees get a nice job, money, and get to do (preferably) what they like, sending money into their work and to their boss. Its an equal exchange.

Now if you're talking for example you meet my fiance (or on the rare occasion me if I want to) and you start to feel sleepy, angry, sick, etc., for no other reason then that would maybe be a form of psychic vampirism.

Many people use the example of a very needy and emotionally draining friend or family member, but even "neediness" and the condition don't go hand in hand.

Well that makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I tied it to business owners because my father is like what you describe as a psychic vampire. I've been working in his shop for the past couple years. I guess I'm used to it though. Whenever he's around the energy level either drops significantly or it raises significantly for a brief period, it is never a mild or balanced energy. Sometimes it is so bad that after he leaves my manager and I cannot even finish the full work day (which is usually 10+ hours for us). Before I learned to block it more all I had energy to do was work, when I wasn't at work I was home sleeping. I was always exhausted, and still get like that from time to time.

[~Belladonna~]

Well that makes more sense. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I tied it to business owners because my father is like what you describe as a psychic vampire. I've been working in his shop for the past couple years. I guess I'm used to it though. Whenever he's around the energy level either drops significantly or it raises significantly for a brief period, it is never a mild or balanced energy. Sometimes it is so bad that after he leaves my manager and I cannot even finish the full work day (which is usually 10+ hours for us). Before I learned to block it more all I had energy to do was work, when I wasn't at work I was home sleeping. I was always exhausted, and still get like that from time to time.

Hmm, I know how that feels. My sister-in-law is exactly the same. She wouldn't have a clue though if you mentioned to her a psychic vampire, in fact she'd laugh (yes, she's ignorant too). She does what she does unconsciously but hell, is it a pain in the ass! I have to constantly have my shields up around her and I hate having to do that so much. I guess she's just one of those people *shrugs*

@Sacredsin - I agree with you on there's often a difference between psychic vamps and just plain old needy people. However, I would say my sister-in-law is certainly a psi vamp (she just doesn't know it herself... or she does but just doesn't know there is a name for it).

[RaheemsMusing]

Hmm reading through this and other threads I'm curious. Why do you (whoever wishes to answer) think that some people are automatically uncomfortable around psychic vampires and others are the opposite?

I really think it has a lot to do just with associations people make. For example, Rodney Ferrell. Obviously just a completely wack job claiming to be a vampire. Whatever his reasons for being drawn to/fascinated by vampirism and then claiming to be a vampire, that claim really threw a bad shadow over the community as whole - the "wanna bees" and "life stylers" and the people who really do need to draw energy from others, etc...A lot of people (in my experience, that is) see/hear something like that and attach the same feeling of negativity to the group. That's how it seems to me, anyway...

Honestly, I've never actually met someone who drew attention to themselves via claiming to be a psychic vampire. The majority of the encounters I've had with psychic vampires certainly weren't the best...a friend of mine was targeted by one in a concert, and that actually turned into a pretty frightening situation. But I know that not everyone acts in that manner or takes too much energy, etc. and I am actually really, really fascinated by the whole thing. I know that I'm not one, but nonetheless, I'm incredibly curious about the community and have been interested in experiencing it a little (hopefully in a more positive light than most of my previous experiences). I especially find the studies with "aura photography" very interesting...I'm hoping someone else knows what I'm talking about. :)

[Chibi-Fallon]

Vampires aren't necessarily nerdy and saying such is a gross over-generalization. My fiance isn't nerdy, though he is a loner. There are other vampires I know who aren't loners nor nerdy. They don't go hand in hand together, sorry.

As for being a special power, its not more special than anything else.

Hence why I said a lot and not all. :thumbsup:

I'm not trying to attack anyone you know and/or love. No worries. He can be as un-lonerly, and/or un-nerdy as he likes. My own boy is a nerd. I don't find it to be an insulting word, but apparently you do. But, regardless, as I stated a majority of people I ran into seemed to be nerdy loners. Not "your finance is a nerdy loner." :uhhuhuh:

T'was my experience when I looked into it.

It generally takes a certain kind of person to start to look into this sort of thing to begin with (again keep in mind, I looked into it myself).

It seems like a majority of those kids are not the captain of the football team, head cheerleader, even popular stoner types. Which seems semi-counterintuitive. You would think there would be more psychic vampire types among the "popular kid" types if they really do need to feed off energy. Because if you really need that to survive it seems being true to yourself would take a back seat to the need to feed. It's one of the things that keeps me somewhat skeptical about the whole thing. That and an almost total lack of PoC.

[Caitlin.ann]

Hence why I said a lot and not all. :thumbsup:

I'm not trying to attack anyone you know and/or love. No worries. He can be as un-lonerly, and/or un-nerdy as he likes. But as I state a majority of people I ran into seemed to be nerdy loners. :uhhuhuh: T'was my experience.

I know that. :thumbsup:

[Chibi-Fallon]

I know that. :thumbsup:

Sorry. It seemed like you assumed that I didn't, since you stated it...

[Caitlin.ann]

Sorry. It seemed like you assumed that I didn't, since you stated it...

Nope just adding clarification.

[~Belladonna~]

A question to anyone who is a psi vamp: What would happen to a person if they didn't feed (energy wise not blood)? I mean, say you're a psychic vampire and feel the need to feed to get energy. What happens if you don't feed? What happens if someone who is a psi vamp but doesn't know they are goes through life without feeding at all? Will they die early or something or will nothing happen to them at all?

[watersprite]

MY family is full of them. I keep our shields up high and mighty. They would suck your energy till you were nothing bit a dust bunny under your bed.

[AkashaLuna]

Does anyone have suggestions for what I can do to "turn off" feeding? When I'm in a drained state, I sometimes find myself trying to feed on people that I know wouldn't be good for me, just because they're there. That make sense? I don't like feeding PERIOD, but it would be nice to turn it on and off.

<3

[Xentor]

Lol I love how psychic vampirism is always linked to negativity. Can no one honestly see nothing positive about it?
Let's see... popular myth has it that vampires feed off humans. That can be equated with large predators and mosquitos. Can you bend that into something positive?


A question to anyone who is a psi vamp: What would happen to a person if they didn't feed (energy wise not blood)? I mean, say you're a psychic vampire and feel the need to feed to get energy. What happens if you don't feed? What happens if someone who is a psi vamp but doesn't know they are goes through life without feeding at all? Will they die early or something or will nothing happen to them at all?
Anything that needs to eat and doesn't... dies. I'm sure this holds true for psy vamps too... if they exist.

[Caitlin.ann]

Let's see... popular myth has it that vampires feed off humans. That can be equated with large predators and mosquitos. Can you bend that into something positive?


Anything that needs to eat and doesn't... dies. I'm sure this holds true for psy vamps too... if they exist.

Lets see..popular myth is exactly that..myth or in other words FICTION!

And of course psi vamps eat, they're 100% human nothing more or less.

[~Belladonna~]

Lets see..popular myth is exactly that..myth or in other words FICTION!

And of course psi vamps eat, they're 100% human nothing more or less.

So, what would happen to them if they didn't feed?

[Caitlin.ann]

I really think it has a lot to do just with associations people make. For example, Rodney Ferrell. Obviously just a completely wack job claiming to be a vampire. Whatever his reasons for being drawn to/fascinated by vampirism and then claiming to be a vampire, that claim really threw a bad shadow over the community as whole - the "wanna bees" and "life stylers" and the people who really do need to draw energy from others, etc...A lot of people (in my experience, that is) see/hear something like that and attach the same feeling of negativity to the group. That's how it seems to me, anyway...

Honestly, I've never actually met someone who drew attention to themselves via claiming to be a psychic vampire. The majority of the encounters I've had with psychic vampires certainly weren't the best...a friend of mine was targeted by one in a concert, and that actually turned into a pretty frightening situation. But I know that not everyone acts in that manner or takes too much energy, etc. and I am actually really, really fascinated by the whole thing. I know that I'm not one, but nonetheless, I'm incredibly curious about the community and have been interested in experiencing it a little (hopefully in a more positive light than most of my previous experiences). I especially find the studies with "aura photography" very interesting...I'm hoping someone else knows what I'm talking about. :)

Good point, concerning Rodney Ferrel. I was hoping though that people would look past him and those of his sort and try to see the reality, not the d**k wads that pretend to be something if that makes sense. Ferrel was off balance in the first place and then drawn into White Wolfs games and it snowballed from there.

Most people I know of don't talk about it in real life, but when you have the internet, you have a form of anonymity almost to where it feels more comfortable discussing these sorts of things. Its good that even though you had a bad experience you're willing to look further into the condition.

You're talking about Kirlian Photography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography). Lol, I'll PM you for a few sites you may be interested in. :)


Hence why I said a lot and not all. :thumbsup:

I'm not trying to attack anyone you know and/or love. No worries. He can be as un-lonerly, and/or un-nerdy as he likes. My own boy is a nerd. I don't find it to be an insulting word, but apparently you do. But, regardless, as I stated a majority of people I ran into seemed to be nerdy loners. Not "your finance is a nerdy loner." :uhhuhuh:
Let me clarify, Chibi. I have nothing against nerds or loners. You may feel that I have alluded to that but I do not. My intent was to clarify and I would rather not have his snowball into immature and inappropriate bickering. Let us for goodness sake get to the point at hand shall we? I would rather not partake in this childishness any longer.



It generally takes a certain kind of person to start to look into this sort of thing to begin with (again keep in mind, I looked into it myself).

It seems like a majority of those kids are not the captain of the football team, head cheerleader, even popular stoner types. Which seems semi-counterintuitive. You would think there would be more psychic vampire types among the "popular kid" types if they really do need to feed off energy. Because if you really need that to survive it seems being true to yourself would take a back seat to the need to feed. It's one of the things that keeps me somewhat skeptical about the whole thing. That and an almost total lack of PoC.
That all seems a bit stereotypical to me though. How do you know the head cheerleader or football player never looked into it? What because they're not goth? What if they're feeding unconsciously? To say he's a jock or she's a prep or he's a stoner and none of them are goth so they must not be vampires is silly. The fact is you can't know they are or not, they may not even know if they are or not. You think if vampires don't feed they'll die? No thats not true at all. Now if they starve themselves of food, then yeah that would kill someone, but from energy? Nope. And there are also those that believe if they try not to feed, then their system will kick into autopilot and take indiscriminately and be uncontrolled. Now you don't have to believe that, you're quite welcome to your opinion. But again, I have a RIGHT to clarify.




A question to anyone who is a psi vamp: What would happen to a person if they didn't feed (energy wise not blood)? I mean, say you're a psychic vampire and feel the need to feed to get energy. What happens if you don't feed? What happens if someone who is a psi vamp but doesn't know they are goes through life without feeding at all? Will they die early or something or will nothing happen to them at all?

If one doesn't feed? A number of things can happen. They will feel run down, cranky, irritable, depressed, begin lashing out, etc. Their system may kick into autopilot and they'll take indiscriminately and uncontrollably from others. Feeding keeps the vampire emotionally and mentally, though some will even say physically stable but it won't kill them.


Does anyone have suggestions for what I can do to "turn off" feeding? When I'm in a drained state, I sometimes find myself trying to feed on people that I know wouldn't be good for me, just because they're there. That make sense? I don't like feeding PERIOD, but it would be nice to turn it on and off.

<3
Hmm toughy..maybe I can get someone else in to answer. :(

[Caitlin.ann]

So, what would happen to them if they didn't feed?

I answered specifically to you and Chibi. Lol, sorry for the delay..took me a bit to type up.

[~Belladonna~]

I answered specifically to you and Chibi. Lol, sorry for the delay..took me a bit to type up.

Argh, thank you SS :thumbsup: I missed it, my bad. Thanks for answering me. This is a subject that interests me greatly :uhhuhuh:

[Caitlin.ann]

No problem, sweets! :)

If you have anymore questions don't hesitate..I'll do my best. :)

[Chibi-Fallon]

That all seems a bit stereotypical to me though. How do you know the head cheerleader or football player never looked into it? What because they're not goth?


It's so funny to me that I keep saying "generally" or "typically" and then you tell me that I'm speaking in generalization, but that you understand that and don't mean anything by it. I'm really not aware of what I'm making so unclear that you feel you have to step in I guess? I just kind of feel like you're jumping on me, and I really have no idea as to why.

Well actually I do, and I think it's because I'm not towing your line.

[Caitlin.ann]

It's so funny to me that I keep saying "generally" or "typically" and then you tell me that I'm speaking in generalization, but that you understand that and don't mean anything by it. I'm really not aware of what I'm making so unclear that you feel you have to step in I guess? I just kind of feel like you're jumping on me, and I really have no idea as to why.

But this was why I left MW a few years back. Pagans. Sheesh.

No you didn't, but I'm done with this argument in the public if you want to continue through PM then feel free to message me but if not I'd rather be done with this.

[~Belladonna~]

But this was why I left MW a few years back. Pagans. Sheesh.

WOW, now that is a generalization :eyebrow:

Us pesky Pagan, eh?

[Chibi-Fallon]

WOW, now that is a generalization :eyebrow:

Us pesky Pagan, eh?


Hence why I changed it. On second thought, I considered it to be ruder than I intended. Thankfully you're here to make sure I play nice.

Also, is Just Silly the only place anyone can make any kind of joke?

[Caitlin.ann]

It's so funny to me that I keep saying "generally" or "typically" and then you tell me that I'm speaking in generalization, but that you understand that and don't mean anything by it. I'm really not aware of what I'm making so unclear that you feel you have to step in I guess? I just kind of feel like you're jumping on me, and I really have no idea as to why.

Well actually I do, and I think it's because I'm not towing your line.

Not towing my line?

[~Belladonna~]

Hence why I changed it. On second thought, I considered it to be ruder than I intended. Thankfully you're here to make sure I play nice.

Also, is Just Silly the only place anyone can make any kind of joke?

I'm here to make sure you play nice? Erm no! I'm here for the same reason most of us are here... because I like it.

Also, is Just Silly the only place anyone can make any kind of joke? Not as far as I know. Why, where's the joke?

[RaheemsMusing]

Good point, concerning Rodney Ferrel. I was hoping though that people would look past him and those of his sort and try to see the reality, not the d**k wads that pretend to be something if that makes sense. Ferrel was off balance in the first place and then drawn into White Wolfs games and it snowballed from there.

Most people I know of don't talk about it in real life, but when you have the internet, you have a form of anonymity almost to where it feels more comfortable discussing these sorts of things. Its good that even though you had a bad experience you're willing to look further into the condition.

You're talking about Kirlian Photography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography). Lol, I'll PM you for a few sites you may be interested in. :)


Yeah, I feel that way about a lot of different communities, not just the vampire community. I see a lot of people do that and I just hate it...I try my best to not do that. I did have one experience (I don't know if I could call it an experience of my own, though...I was sort of an observer) which was just a really beautiful one, so...yeah, I guess a lot of people just don't remember that everything can have it's ugly and beautiful sides.

Thank you! I was hoping you'd know what I was talking about! :D

[MetropolisGott]

I can see where a Psychic Vampire would be problematic...but the only one I know personally won't "feed" unless allowed, and has nicknamed me the fountain. To the best of my experience, I personally tend to have more of a problem with dumping excess energy. I've nicknamed it Reverse Psivampirism, though it may already have a name. I just haven't read/seen anything about it so far.

[Dumunzi]

I remember reading a book of a vampire religion(probably is more of a cult though at this point, it takes a huge base to up the rank to religion typically), about people that would astral project and then proceed to drain peoples energy while OBE'ing.

That I don't dispute. I certainly find the possibility of doing something like that completely realistic. However, I don't quite know if I believe someone is predisposed to doing that. I believe it's more of a conscious decision at present.

- Dumunzi

[Caitlin.ann]

I remember reading a book of a vampire religion(probably is more of a cult though at this point, it takes a huge base to up the rank to religion typically), about people that would astral project and then proceed to drain peoples energy while OBE'ing.

That I don't dispute. I certainly find the possibility of doing something like that completely realistic. However, I don't quite know if I believe someone is predisposed to doing that. I believe it's more of a conscious decision at present.

- Dumunzi

Eh well that all depends, honestly. I don't much believe in those who astral project to drain energy, but thats just me. I'm sure its possible, but to me thats not what vampirism really is. And I'm sure there can be debate there, why not? The question is do you believe the astral is the only type, I guess since that would make the difference.

As for a religion, I don't put any stock in that myself. In my opinion, the condition is 100% separate from religion and usually as far as I have seen most "vampire religions" are full of fluff and are usually just business fronts if you know what I mean. But again...thats just me. :p

[Caitlin.ann]

Yeah, I feel that way about a lot of different communities, not just the vampire community. I see a lot of people do that and I just hate it...I try my best to not do that. I did have one experience (I don't know if I could call it an experience of my own, though...I was sort of an observer) which was just a really beautiful one, so...yeah, I guess a lot of people just don't remember that everything can have it's ugly and beautiful sides.

Thank you! I was hoping you'd know what I was talking about! :D

I agree, and I do my best not to commit that act myself. And I agree, well said! :)

[Darth Brooks]

I remember reading a book of a vampire religion(probably is more of a cult though at this point, it takes a huge base to up the rank to religion typically), about people that would astral project and then proceed to drain peoples energy while OBE'ing.

Are you talking about the Temple of the Vampire?

http://www.vampiretemple.com/

They've been around for a while, I remember first reading about them in a big book about vampires. (I think it's called the Vampire Encyclopedia or something, but I'm not sure.)

The Temple of Set also has a division known as the Order of the Vampyre:

http://www.xeper.org/ovampyre/
http://www.xeper.org/pub/lib/xp_lib_InterviewWithTheVamp.htm

As far as the Order of the Vampyre goes, I know they're not really interested in energy draining of any kind. I think the "vampyre" thing is more like a magical aesthetic for them, though the interview I linked above explains a lot more than I could.

I have heard about the Temple of the Vampire people doing astral energy draining or something like that, but I'm at a loss to remember where I heard that. In any case I'm not inclined to take the claim very seriously, but to each their own.


That I don't dispute. I certainly find the possibility of doing something like that completely realistic. However, I don't quite know if I believe someone is predisposed to doing that. I believe it's more of a conscious decision at present.I have to admit I tend to use the word "vampire" a bit differently than it is being used here in this thread. At the risk of making myself sound totally ridiculous I'll say that for me, vampires are spirits, or incorporeal beings, that feed off of discharges of bioelectrical energy (e.g., like the death throes of an animal, or somebody having an orgasm, etc.). IMO, they are not human and never were human in the first place. Beings like incubi and succubi (e.g., Lilith) would be examples of vampires as I understand them. This goes back to the old Babylonian myth of vampires being blood-drinking ghosts, rather than resurrected corpses.

However, just because they feed off of bioelectrical energy doesn't mean they're evil. After all, human beings tend to feed on the meat of other organisms and on sexual energy as well. IMO, Lilith is just about the nicest vampire a person can meet - well, if one is nice to her, of course.

[Xentor]

Lets see..popular myth is exactly that..myth or in other words FICTION!

My point exactly. So why are we discussing the mating, feeding, and other social rituals of the mythical and fictionally unproven? Why discuss something we can't prove exists?

[Nicholas]

My point exactly. So why are we discussing the mating, feeding, and other social rituals of the mythical and fictionally unproven? Why discuss something we can't prove exists?

Like gods, magic, all the pseudo sciences?

[Caitlin.ann]

My point exactly. So why are we discussing the mating, feeding, and other social rituals of the mythical and fictionally unproven? Why discuss something we can't prove exists?

And we're not talking about fictional vampires, we're talking about an energy condition, nothing more or less.

[Xentor]

Like gods, magic, all the pseudo sciences?
Exactly. Why waste time discussing something that we can't even prove exists in the first place? If we'd use all this creative thinking and apply it to real world problems like famine and war, who knows what kinds of improvements we could achieve.


And we're not talking about fictional vampires, we're talking about an energy condition, nothing more or less.
Are we? Is there an official name for this condition? Can I visit my physician and say, I suffer from this specific condition? Is there a diagnosis and a treatment?

[Caitlin.ann]

Exactly. Why waste time discussing something that we can't even prove exists in the first place? If we'd use all this creative thinking and apply it to real world problems like famine and war, who knows what kinds of improvements we could achieve.
Then why are you wasting time on a religious website? Not that I care either way.



Are we? Is there an official name for this condition? Can I visit my physician and say, I suffer from this specific condition? Is there a diagnosis and a treatment?

You are entitled to your beliefs, I won't try to convince you either way, I don't care nor do I have time to bicker. Have a nice night.

[Nicholas]

Exactly. Why waste time discussing something that we can't even prove exists in the first place? If we'd use all this creative thinking and apply it to real world problems like famine and war, who knows what kinds of improvements we could achieve.

So this forum should cease to exist, as well as all imagination...




Are we? Is there an official name for this condition? Can I visit my physician and say, I suffer from this specific condition? Is there a diagnosis and a treatment?

It is still a scientific anomaly, it will get there though.

[Carri]

I find people who become possessive of frienships to be an enormous drain. The type that you can just feel the jealousy when you have plans that don't include them, even though they smile and act like they are busy too but you know it's an act. Any hint of it and I run for the hills. Would this type of behavior be psyvamp drain or is this just a personal dislike?

[Xentor]

Then why are you wasting time on a religious website?
Ah... you got me there. Not. See, I do have an answer to the question I posed. I usually do. So I'm not wondering why I discuss things I can't prove. I was wandering about your reasons. What moves us to do what we do and to believe what we believe, I find quite interesting.


Not that I care either way.
Of course you do. Your discussion in this thread proves that you do. And you should care, as this is a subject about which you seem to know a lot and with which you seem to have a bit of personal experience. Don't wave it away just because someone like me asks difficult questions.


So this forum should cease to exist, as well as all imagination...
Really? Just because I ask for a reason, it should merely cease? Like it means nothing to you? How about defending what we believe in, instead of immediately giving up and throwing the towel in the ring? How about standing up for yourself?


It is still a scientific anomaly, it will get there though.
I do hope so.

[Caitlin.ann]

Ah... you got me there. Not. See, I do have an answer to the question I posed. I usually do. So I'm not wondering why I discuss things I can't prove. I was wandering about your reasons. What moves us to do what we do and to believe what we believe, I find quite interesting.
I brought you to Mystic Wicks? Because THAT was the question I asked YOU which you quoted.


Of course you do. Your discussion in this thread proves that you do. And you should care, as this is a subject about which you seem to know a lot and with which you seem to have a bit of personal experience. Don't wave it away just because someone like me asks difficult questions.
I care about the subject, I don't care whether you or anyone else cares or believes in it. I am not here to convince, only to discuss. I don't feel this conversation with you, this arguing is productive or pertinent to the topic at hand. You only wish to argue, and I have no time for that lately.


Really? Just because I ask for a reason, it should merely cease? Like it means nothing to you? How about defending what we believe in, instead of immediately giving up and throwing the towel in the ring? How about standing up for yourself? We have no reason to "defend" what we believe in. You can believe what you want, its not up to us to kick you in the rear to believe it. We present the information through discussion, you are free to believe what you want. If at the end of the day you decide you don't believe in it thats fine my me and Nick, we don't care. We believe what we believe, we're not here to convert anyone or defend anything. I don't know why you think we're here to convert anyone or defend a believe, we're here to discuss and present information. There are people here who don't believe in vampirism, and I respect their beliefs, never would I try to convert them to believing in something they don't want to, I am not here for that. So to say we're throwing in the towel when there was never a fight to begin with is just silly.

[Caitlin.ann]

I find people who become possessive of frienships to be an enormous drain. The type that you can just feel the jealousy when you have plans that don't include them, even though they smile and act like they are busy too but you know it's an act. Any hint of it and I run for the hills. Would this type of behavior be psyvamp drain or is this just a personal dislike?

There is an enormous energy drain there, IMO, but the difference is does the person need it or is the person greedy. A vampire needs the energy to function well. Whereas needy people you can give and give and give and nothing will ever satisfy them. That is not necessarily psychic vampirism, IMO. So this type of behavior, though irritating, does not mean the person is a vampire, just someone who's needy and insecure for whatever reason. And it would also qualify as a personal dislike whether they're a vampire or not because you dislike their behavior.

Vampires when they're unconscious of their needs or when they refuse to actively feed, their systems will go into autopilot to get that energy, which can result in neediness or other negative or aggressive behavior.

The only way to know for sure is if the person needs it or if they're just being energetically greedy I guess.

[BlackLili]

In my opinion, the condition is 100% separate from religion

And we're not talking about fictional vampires, we're talking about an energy condition, nothing more or less.
Nope. Gotta stop you there.

What "condition" are you referring to, exactly? Because the ability to convince yourself of your own personal fictions might be considered a mental condition, but as for every single self-proclaimed "psi/psy/sigh vamp" out there, not a single one has turned up with a medically-acknowledged condition that relates directly to their draining of another's energy - since that use of the term energy is vague and un-quantifiable itself at best.

It is NOT a Medical Condition of any sort, to be a vampire. It is a choice of lifestyle, spiritualism, and labels.


You are entitled to your beliefs, I won't try to convince you either way, I don't care nor do I have time to bicker. Have a nice night.
This part was kind of lame. It rather sounds like you were backed into a corner and didn't have an answer, so you chose to accuse those questioning you of "bickering."


However, just because they feed off of bioelectrical energy doesn't mean they're evil. After all, human beings tend to feed on the meat of other organisms and on sexual energy as well.
So we're all vampires! By eating meat, we are taking the energy from the dead animal into ourselves as nourishment! Their blood! Their muscle, sinew, sometimes even bone!!! A Society of Vampires!!!! Of GHOULS, even! The Horror!

Remember kids: labels can be applied to anything! :thumbsup:

[~Belladonna~]

Nope. Gotta stop you there.

What "condition" are you referring to, exactly? Because the ability to convince yourself of your own personal fictions might be considered a mental condition, but as for every single self-proclaimed "psi/psy/sigh vamp" out there, not a single one has turned up with a medically-acknowledged condition that relates directly to their draining of another's energy - since that use of the term energy is vague and un-quantifiable itself at best.

It is NOT a Medical Condition of any sort, to be a vampire. It is a choice of lifestyle, spiritualism, and labels.

BlackLili, I agree with you regarding psychic vampirism not being a condition. Like you said, it is not medical and nothing has come up to acknowledge it as such.

I think it's definitely a choice. Some use it as a means of attack and others seem to do it with the other persons permission. But I suppose the big question then would be, why do they do it in the first place?

[BlackLili]

I think it's definitely a choice. Some use it as a means of attack and others seem to do it with the other persons permission. But I suppose the big question then would be, why do they do it in the first place?

Well, it depends. As with most things of this nature, the answers are as varied as the participants.

Some do it for reasons of wanting to find a like-minded community. LARPers hang out with LARPer vampires, lifestyle vampires hang out with other lifestyle vampires (like Michelle and her House Kephru here in Ohio, or Don Henrie and his group,) and they all tend to hang out at whatever passes for their local Goth "haunt." (Excuse the pun.)

For some, (I would venture a guess that this is for many,) their "turning" comes about the time they leave their parental home the first time. It really rather is like being turned, or reborn - you're incredibly vulnerable and its apt to make you feel awkward, sensitive, highly acute. Before it became socially acceptable to call oneself a vampire, these would have just been termed "growing pains" perhaps. A period of adjustment.

People who make it through that period of adjustment and come out the other side convinced in their own fiction continue to perpetuate it in their lives - if you tell everyone in the world that you will become sick and your mind will break unless you participate in a metaphysical energy shift, at some point your Psychosomatic Conditioning will team up with your Self-fulfilling Prophecy and you will become sick or crazy. But it won't have been due to any presence or absence of that metaphysical energy shift.

Children are not born with these traits. Parents who see them in their children are applying labels unnecessarily. If a child's symptoms are so severe, chances are incredibly good that there are additional, very real medical conditions pre-existing or in the midst of developing. Asperger's, Autism, social maturation issues, rage issues, self-control issues, and learning to take responsibility can all lead kids to act out. But it's not because they're a burgeoning little vampire.

It is a self-applied label that can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. People carry on with it because they feel they have a mental and emotional use for it. It provides a comfort level, a community, an explanation for emotional states that might otherwise seem to intense to handle in the bare light of day.

But that's really all magic(k) is, in a nutshell anyway. We're all just here, creating our own realities, and intermingling the best we know how. Magic(k) works because you believe in it. Vampires exist because they say they do.

Many people outgrow the need for their labels. Most of us carry many different labels that change all throughout our lives.

Some people outlive their need for magic(k), or faith in an external power, or religion. Some people don't. No one path is better or worse, its just what makes sense to us that matters. For some vampires, they hang that label on themselves because its what they need at that point in their life. Most also let it go when they're done with it. Some hang on for other reasons - but then, I guess that would mean they're not done with it, wouldn't it? ;)

Then again, it could just be because vampires are hot, and its a great way to get laid at a goth bar to say that you're one. :devil:

[Meadhbh]

I would say I don't mind them, but I'll admit I'm baised. That being said I don't proclaim it from the roof tops either. As a general rules its the same as it is in what ever culture/ subculture your talking about. You'll have a mix of people who want to live their lives just like every one else and view it as a quirk or simply a fact of life. Then you'll have the type of people who make me cringe. No offense againist life stylers, how you live your life is just that your choice. But people like that often attract the most attention. And since they do you can't blame people for assuming thats how every one behaves when thats simply not the case. So in a way they are usefull in the fact it gives them the attention they want while keeping it from the rest of us. On the down side when people see or hear the word psychic vampire thats the picture they assume the person is.

[Caitlin.ann]

Nope. Gotta stop you there.

What "condition" are you referring to, exactly? Because the ability to convince yourself of your own personal fictions might be considered a mental condition, but as for every single self-proclaimed "psi/psy/sigh vamp" out there, not a single one has turned up with a medically-acknowledged condition that relates directly to their draining of another's energy - since that use of the term energy is vague and un-quantifiable itself at best.
You are again entitled to your beliefs, I am NOT here to argue about whether such a condition exists or not. I am here to discuss, but not to argue and that is what I ultimately feel is happening here.



It is NOT a Medical Condition of any sort, to be a vampire. It is a choice of lifestyle, spiritualism, and labels.


I never said it was medical...you all did.



This part was kind of lame. It rather sounds like you were backed into a corner and didn't have an answer, so you chose to accuse those questioning you of "bickering."
It sounds like I am NOT here to argue. If you feel that way then fine, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. There's a difference between questioning and arguing.


So we're all vampires! By eating meat, we are taking the energy from the dead animal into ourselves as nourishment! Their blood! Their muscle, sinew, sometimes even bone!!! A Society of Vampires!!!! Of GHOULS, even! The Horror!


I think you misunderstand.

[Caitlin.ann]

I should add, that until the medical field begins recognizing energy/mana/prana/chi, then there's no way vampirism can be proven at a medical level. Nor have I ever said it was medical or that anyone had to believe what I do. I am not a spokesperson for the vampiric community. I have first and foremost my own beliefs. I am not here to convince anyone of anything. Until the medical field begins to actively look into energy manipulation (which it won't) then its all subjective, obviously. So I see no point in trying to change anyones mind here.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

First , to answer a question of Xentor's...

"Why discuss things we cannot prove" ?

My answer...proof , to some of us , is not paramount...

Feeling something , is enough...and discussing that ,
with others who also feel similar things , or are at
the least interested , can produce a feeling of , shall
we say : Comraderie ?

On the other hand , is this not the province of certain
areas of science , such as quantum physics , or even
any sciences , where the evidence is not yet there ?

Sometimes the instruments have not yet been invented ,
which allow for the observation , and documentation...

And yet...there are many discussions , which sometimes
even may bear fruit , leading to a methodology which ,
just maybe...would give the hard evidence science so values...

An obsession , and addiction , in my mind...:bigredgri...however ,
I can allow for it...:uhhuhuh:...and ask the same , from those who
place it on a pedastal...

Now...as for the topic at hand...

Yes , I do believe , and have direct experience , with psychic
energy feeding , by whatever name...and , direct knowledge ,
and experience , with a person whose life force continually
needed replenishing , and fed off me...

Until I put an end to it...and I watched her life force wither ,
as a direct result , since we lived alone , in the woods...

I then , allowed her to feed again...call it an experiment , if
you will...and watched her gain strength again...

Not just once...but without notice to her , sporadically , to
watch the results...a mystical scientific approach...:smileroll

I have also , been in those rooms , where people have walked
in , and drained energy out of the room...

I can sense these people from a distance...more sometimes ,
than others...

Now...what essence is being fed upon ?

I have stated before...and state now...I believe it to be , what
has been called animal magnetism...also , if we were in an
Eastern mode of thinking , not just Prana , but what are
known as the "five airs" , Prana being one of them...

Chi , has been defined by some , as a standing wave , in the
body...thus , internal electricity of a type...

Could it be there is an ungrounded state , in certain people ,
causing an energy leakage ? Perhaps...

This is one reason to discuss these things...and yet , to find
those willing to look into the science of the event , even if
we call it a "possible event" , to mollify any in doubt , or
disbelief...will take funding , and those dedicated fully to the
research...

And I have my doubts , those scientists shall come from within
the community of ( possible ) energy feeders...due to experience ,
and feeling , being more important , and lack of desire to just
substantiate , what is already truth to them...:uhhuhuh:


I shall never care myself , if anyone proves magick , by whatever
spelling , real...it is real , for me...and yes...I enjoy discussing it
with my kith , and kinfolk...:thumbsup:

Blessings to all , on their paths of experience , enquiry , and , of
course , discovery...:hahugh:

[Darth Brooks]

It is NOT a Medical Condition of any sort, to be a vampire. It is a choice of lifestyle, spiritualism, and labels.

In terms of people who call themselves vampires, I have to agree with you there.


So we're all vampires! Oh no, not by my reasoning at least. In my view if you have a body then that automatically precludes you from being a vampire in any literal sense, since I see them as being bodiless spirits that never had bodies in the first place. But it was already understood on my part that the term can be co-opted to mean virtually anything anyone wants it to mean, pretty much like any other label that people argue about in spirituality. So no, I am not saying we're all vampires, in fact I'm saying just the opposite, that nobody here is really a vampire by my definition. (And I took some pains to ensure that no one would be too terribly offended by that statement, specifying that this is just my preferred use of the terminology and I could care less if anyone here uses it the same way or not. I think that what is being called "psychic vampirism" here would really be better described as something else, but that is only my humble opinion.)

I don't think any human being is really a vampire, anymore than I would think them to be a god or a goddess or a fairy or a leprechaun, except of course in the sense that they choose to call themselves such, for whatever reasons (spiritual or emotional or whatever). Seems to me there's very little point in trying to discourage anyone from calling themselves a vampire if that's really what they want to do - but that in and of itself does not mean I have to take them seriously. They, of course, are not particularly required to take me seriously, either.


By eating meat, we are taking the energy from the dead animal into ourselves as nourishment! Their blood! Their muscle, sinew, sometimes even bone!!! A Society of Vampires!!!! Of GHOULS, even! The Horror!

Remember kids: labels can be applied to anything! :thumbsup:BOOGEDY BOOGEDY BOO! :coffin:

In any case, I do agree with you that what self-described psychic vampires do, or what they believe themselves to do, should not be called a "medical condition" without having the scientific evidence to prove that it is such a condition. (I am a little unsure, however, as to just who claimed that it is a "medical condition" in the first place.) But I am happy enough respecting what they believe/do/whatever as a spiritual or subcultural persuasion of sorts, for lack of a better term. So long as they don't expect me to accept their definition of the label just because "they're vampires and I'm not" (with which I would only partially agree, because I do agree that I'm not), then I have no particular objections.

[~Belladonna~]

In any case, I do agree with you that what self-described psychic vampires do, or what they believe themselves to do, should not be called a "medical condition" without having the scientific evidence to prove that it is such a condition. (I am a little unsure, however, as to just who claimed that it is a "medical condition" in the first place.) But I am happy enough respecting what they believe/do/whatever as a spiritual or subcultural persuasion of sorts, for lack of a better term. So long as they don't expect me to accept their definition of the label just because "they're vampires and I'm not" (with which I would only partially agree, because I do agree that I'm not), then I have no particular objections.

I don't think anyone did call it a medical condition but it was being called a condition, as if to imply the fact. Well that's how it came across anyway.

I don't care if people do call it a medical condition anyway's, or even a "condition" of whatever sort. It's not for me to criticize. I whole-heartedly believe in vampires and the whole subject intrigues me no end. I just don't believe it's a condition of whatever sort.

[Caitlin.ann]

I call it "the condition" so I don't have to say "vampirism" all the time. *shrugs* Just another word to mean the same thing, has NOTHING to do with it being medical or not but is a term I was introduced to in the beginning and still use. Its nothing I came up with myself. If it was taken to be a medical thing then that is through no fault of my own as I have NEVER claimed it was a medical condition.

[BlackLili]

I call it "the condition" so I don't have to say "vampirism" all the time. *shrugs* Just another word to mean the same thing, has NOTHING to do with it being medical or not but is a term I was introduced to in the beginning and still use. Its nothing I came up with myself. If it was taken to be a medical thing then that is through no fault of my own as I have NEVER claimed it was a medical condition.
So help us out. What sort of condition do you define it to be?

You've said that it's an energy deficit, and define that energy to be what is referred to in Eastern cultures as prana or chi - in Western terms it would be defined as lifeforce.

If you yourself perpetuate the claim, along with other people who go by one of the many vampiric labels, so don't misunderstand, I'm not singling you out - I honestly want to know the answer to this - that you are deficient in that lifeforce, what sort of condition do you consider that to be?

What I want to know is, what are the ramifications really for one to lack part of your lifeforce? If lifeforce cannot be empirically quantified, what has a person lost by feeling they are lacking in it? Why does it translate into mental strain as well as physical - and yet not qualify for a specifically "medical" condition?

Anyone? Because for me, this would be the crux of this issue - if one is not applying the label of vampire to themselves for the reasons I've already stated (for a sense of community, for a sense of being special or "other," for spiritual and lifestyle reasons otherwise,) but because they genuinely feel the effects of being deficient in lifeforce, what does it mean, to call it a "condition"? What kind of condition if you're choosing "None of the Above"?

[Infinite Grey]

Delusional. Irritating. A little sad.

[~Belladonna~]

Well, it depends. As with most things of this nature, the answers are as varied as the participants.

Some do it for reasons of wanting to find a like-minded community. LARPers hang out with LARPer vampires, lifestyle vampires hang out with other lifestyle vampires (like Michelle and her House Kephru here in Ohio, or Don Henrie and his group,) and they all tend to hang out at whatever passes for their local Goth "haunt." (Excuse the pun.)

For some, (I would venture a guess that this is for many,) their "turning" comes about the time they leave their parental home the first time. It really rather is like being turned, or reborn - you're incredibly vulnerable and its apt to make you feel awkward, sensitive, highly acute. Before it became socially acceptable to call oneself a vampire, these would have just been termed "growing pains" perhaps. A period of adjustment.

People who make it through that period of adjustment and come out the other side convinced in their own fiction continue to perpetuate it in their lives - if you tell everyone in the world that you will become sick and your mind will break unless you participate in a metaphysical energy shift, at some point your Psychosomatic Conditioning will team up with your Self-fulfilling Prophecy and you will become sick or crazy. But it won't have been due to any presence or absence of that metaphysical energy shift.

Children are not born with these traits. Parents who see them in their children are applying labels unnecessarily. If a child's symptoms are so severe, chances are incredibly good that there are additional, very real medical conditions pre-existing or in the midst of developing. Asperger's, Autism, social maturation issues, rage issues, self-control issues, and learning to take responsibility can all lead kids to act out. But it's not because they're a burgeoning little vampire.

It is a self-applied label that can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. People carry on with it because they feel they have a mental and emotional use for it. It provides a comfort level, a community, an explanation for emotional states that might otherwise seem to intense to handle in the bare light of day.

But that's really all magic(k) is, in a nutshell anyway. We're all just here, creating our own realities, and intermingling the best we know how. Magic(k) works because you believe in it. Vampires exist because they say they do.

Many people outgrow the need for their labels. Most of us carry many different labels that change all throughout our lives.

Some people outlive their need for magic(k), or faith in an external power, or religion. Some people don't. No one path is better or worse, its just what makes sense to us that matters. For some vampires, they hang that label on themselves because its what they need at that point in their life. Most also let it go when they're done with it. Some hang on for other reasons - but then, I guess that would mean they're not done with it, wouldn't it? ;)

Then again, it could just be because vampires are hot, and its a great way to get laid at a goth bar to say that you're one. :devil:

Thank you for taking the time out to answer my question. This makes a lot of sense :thumbsup:

I think you have a lot of the same questions I do about psychic vampires :uhhuhuh:

[Caitlin.ann]

So help us out. What sort of condition do you define it to be?

You've said that it's an energy deficit, and define that energy to be what is referred to in Eastern cultures as prana or chi - in Western terms it would be defined as lifeforce.

I have said all too many times that it is an energy deficiency. For whatever reason the vampyre does not make enough of their own energy and they have to take from outside sources. Such is the most commonly held belief.


If you yourself perpetuate the claim, along with other people who go by one of the many vampiric labels, so don't misunderstand, I'm not singling you out - I honestly want to know the answer to this - that you are deficient in that lifeforce, what sort of condition do you consider that to be?

As I've said before, the condition is labeled as an energy deficiency, ie vampirism.



What I want to know is, what are the ramifications really for one to lack part of your lifeforce? If lifeforce cannot be empirically quantified, what has a person lost by feeling they are lacking in it? Why does it translate into mental strain as well as physical - and yet not qualify for a specifically "medical" condition?
The medical field does not recognize it.




Anyone? Because for me, this would be the crux of this issue - if one is not applying the label of vampire to themselves for the reasons I've already stated (for a sense of community, for a sense of being special or "other," for spiritual and lifestyle reasons otherwise,) but because they genuinely feel the effects of being deficient in lifeforce, what does it mean, to call it a "condition"? What kind of condition if you're choosing "None of the Above"?

Some do it to feel special. I found the community while researching. Many people WON'T use that term, many more do. "Condition" is just another word that I was introduced to and use.

[Wolf O Volos]

What I want to know is, what are the ramifications really for one to lack part of your lifeforce? If lifeforce cannot be empirically quantified, what has a person lost by feeling they are lacking in it? Why does it translate into mental strain as well as physical - and yet not qualify for a specifically "medical" condition?

Anyone?

Because, as MANY beliefs held widely by pagans, there are things such as Aura, and *sending Energy* and fun things like that which never make it into the journal of Medical Facts.

If you perscribe to the idea that you can "Channel Energy" or "Send Energy" then you can probably take a moment to drop the argument, and actually take the "outside looking in" stance to think over how all of it could possibly relate.

*shrugs*

Just my 2cents

[Lyrien]

Alright, I can see Sacredsin's viewpoint here. I can't call crap on the whole vampire thing, but I can call crap on the delusional fictional version being applied as truth.

I'll say here that my husband is one, but neither of us would ever claim that title for him. Many years ago we realized that he needs crowds and people to recharge. Using the word 'recharge' very loosely here and from the viewpoint of someone outside any form of mystery thought process. Much similar to someone saying that they need a hot bath and a cup of tea to recharge themselves.

I've always hidden away with my music and a dark room to 'recharge', he's gone to a bar, restaurant, or just sat on a bench in the mall.

So if I were to apply OUR understandings of ourselves in this arena and apply it to a conversation about psy-vamps, I'd have to say that WE believe that everyone requires energy to live and some people require more than they personally can produce. So, when I feel drained, or have used more than my stores, I will hibernate for a few hours alone in the dark listening to music. I guess this is how I generate my own, but I have never studied it. DH will go out into public and, I guess, gather the excess energy from the masses. LOL I don't know how better to word that.

As for how to tell when one needs to feed *cringe*, or better yet...recharge, all I can say is that DH gets bitchy, irritable, down or just moody. I get depressed, but then I can generate my own.

I've never met any self proclaimed vampire, and I probably would laugh if I did, but I have witnessed how differently people restore their energy.


Now, if there truly are the immortal, blood sucking, dark living sort...dude, I'd LOVE to meet them. Really! To be immortal....how kick ass.

[PhoenixRevival]

I've used energy from others (given and taken). Would I call it Psychic Vampirisim... Doubtful. Often time it comes down to how someone makes me feel. Sometimes I just know I need to take something from them. To me this usually breaks down into emotions... Sometimes I take from those that have an excess that I feel but on the opposite side of that coin I often "push" energy to others.

I've hear and read of this being phychic vamp-ing... I see the connection, but I think it gives a negative to something that isnt in me so i ignore the concept.