Democracy Spell

[WolfyJames]

The reason I have created this spell is elaborated on my pagan blog (http://www.coven-space.com/blog/view/id_2500/title_spell-for-democracy/) on Covenspace. Those who want to know can check it out but for those who don't want to you just can ignore it.

The spell has to be said three times. You can do it anytime, more often the better. I keep the Justice card close to my lit candle while I say it.


Democracy Spell

Let's walk on their footsteps,
Of those that have walked this path before,
Those that have given their blood
And their lives
for Freedom and Equality.
Let not all their hard work be done in vain.

Mother Justice,
Mother Freedom,
Mother Democracy,
Come to us,
We call you today
With fervor and passion,
For this is very dear to our hearts.

Truth, Equality, Justice, Freedom, Democracy
Those beloved qualities of yours
That we cherish so dearly
Are being attacked daily.

May we stand firm in the storm,
May our thousands voices be louder,
May we be protected by you Mother,
May our strength overcome our ennemies,
May our ennemies be enlightened Mother,
May we stand firm in the storm.

Let's walk on their footsteps,
Of those that have walked this path before,
Those that have given their blood
And their lives
for Freedom and Equality.
Let not all their hard work be done in vain.
Let not all their hard work be done in vain.
Let not all their hard work be done in vain.

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[Phoenix Blue]

The best spell to preserve democracy is to vote, to keep in touch with your elected representatives and to encourage others to do the same.

[WolfyJames]

The best spell to preserve democracy is to vote, to keep in touch with your elected representatives and to encourage others to do the same.

Those are not spells, those are actions to be done by all citizens in their respective country.

Isaac Bonewits (who has written tons of good pagan books) is the one who has inpired me with his own democracy spells on his website (Link 1 (http://www.neopagan.net/SpellsforDemocracy.html) + Link 2 (http://www.neopagan.net/Liberty-Rite-Materials.html)), his spells though are solely for Americans and I'm not American (like plenty of other people) so I've decided to make a spell for everyone. I've seen documentaries about Fundamentalist Christians in the USA effectively doing prayers and spells everyday on a national level everyone at the same moment using the internet and various other technologies in order indeed to undermine democracy and turn the USA into a christian theocracy. You can imagine the amount of energy raised by such a daily event. Isaac Bonewits goes as far as saying on his website (http://www.neopagan.net/ReligiousReich.html) that they also use black magic putting death spells on candidates they don't like, etc. I explain in more details in my blog.

In other words, beside voting and everything, doing democracy spells could undermine the magic they do on a daily level and effectively help about democracy. The conservatives here in Canada have been revived because of Bush and his 8 years as President and if doing a democacy spell everyday helps to keep democracy and our rights, then I'll do it.

[bigolalaskan]

I like it!!!!!! What can it hurt right? With all those out there who believe the choice of the american people is the "anti-christ" (link) (http://alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/1-talk-of-the-tundra/343-team-sarah-out-for-blood.html) it may help keep democracy alive . . . we all have a rough road ahead of us over the next several years . . .

BTW: I get a kick that you all have gone conservative after watching what the conservatives have done to us economically and through demolishing the bill of rights. The blame goes all the way back to Reagan and the air traffic controllers . . .

Thanks!!!!

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

I like the spell as well. It's great to have a democractic spell because as other people have posted before me that when people hear "democracy" or the sort that people tie it to the U.S. and we are the anti-christ. Hmm...some people are pretty narrow-minded when they think like that

[Sequoia]

The best spell to preserve democracy is to vote, to keep in touch with your elected representatives and to encourage others to do the same.

I'll have to agree with you on this one...

I mean, what the heck would a "democracy spell" be good for anyway? It's not going to guarantee that your favorite candidate is going to get in, or anything like that. This spell, for example, is pretty ambiguous.

It would probably be better to do a working for the candidates of your choice, or parties of your choice, or viewpoints of your choice, enter office. What's a big rule of spell work? BE SPECIFIC! Otherwise, the universe will just take your energy and do as it pleases.

If you're just cheering for "democracy", you're going to get whatever the popular vote is. Which is what you've gotten so far. So your spell doesn't really make any sense.

[Rick]

Are there any democracies any more? Most governments (in the Free World, anyway) are republics.

[Sequoia]

Are there any democracies any more? Most governments (in the Free World, anyway) are republics.

I was going to say something about that too, but I figured it was beating a dead horse at this point...

[Rick]

I was going to say something about that too, but I figured it was beating a dead horse at this point...

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[Sequoia]

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[Phoenix Blue]

Those are not spells, those are actions to be done by all citizens in their respective country.
And they're a lot more effective, if you ask me. You can do spells for things until you're blue in the face, but unless you follow it up with action on a mundane level, you're not going to accomplish anything.


I've seen documentaries about Fundamentalist Christians in the USA effectively doing prayers and spells everyday on a national level everyone at the same moment using the internet and various other technologies in order indeed to undermine democracy and turn the USA into a christian theocracy.
Right. See how well that's worked for them? The Democrats, which are very much against the idea of turning the U.S. into a Christian theocracy, control the White House and both houses of Congress. Seems like voting and encouraging others to do so trumps prayer.


Isaac Bonewits goes as far as saying on his website that they also use black magic putting death spells on candidates they don't like, etc.
Let me tell you a little bit about Isaac Bonewits. He is a man of his convictions, certainly, and he's got his heart in the right place -- but when it comes to politics, frankly, there's a lot of room for disagreement. Take this commentary (http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/druids/warriors.txt) he wrote in the late '80s, comparing members of the armed forces to psychopathic killers. It took the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to open his eyes to the world in which the rest of us live.

This is the same man who's taken to soliciting donations on his Web site so he can move his family to Oregon. Now, I sympathize with whatever sort of financial difficulty he's encountering, but that takes some stones -- especially since there're a lot of other people who are encountering even greater financial difficulty, e.g., home foreclosures and not knowing where their next meal will come from.

He's done some good things for Paganism, in particular, the "Advanced Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame." But spells for democracy? *Shakes head* The best spell for democracy, as I said at the beginning, is to vote, to encourage others to do the same, and to remain involved in the political process even after the election is over.

[WolfyJames]

And they're a lot more effective, if you ask me. You can do spells for things until you're blue in the face, but unless you follow it up with action on a mundane level, you're not going to accomplish anything.

If you say this, then you have not read my spell at all. You just responded and tried to debunked the whole thing based on no real argument without even reading my post entirely (and surely not the spell). If you had read indeed my spell for real, you would have seen that not only I honor those who have worked hard and even gave up their lives for the democracy we have reached and the little equality we have gained, but I talk about walking in their footsteps and getting active too in real life so that their hard work was not done in vain. Then I call the Goddess and talk about what the spell is about and what we want to achieve. Then I go back to actions (to be firm, to get our voices heard, to be strong) and I also ask for protection from the Goddess for us during all the actions we do. Then I repeat the first paragraph.

Nowhere in my spell/prayer do I talk about sitting on your butt and do nothing. The spell is not only for democracy but to pep you up to get engaged in whatever interest you: women rights, pagan rights, poverty, international helps, etc. In my case the spell works, each time I read it I wonder what else I could do more than just... vote.


Let me tell you a little bit about Isaac Bonewits.

You're the one who has issues with the guy, not me, including plenty of other people as well.

[Infinite Grey]

Prayer:
How to do nothing and still think you’re helping

[Phoenix Blue]

You just responded and tried to debunked the whole thing based on no real argument without even reading my post entirely (and surely not the spell).
I find it interesting that you think you can tell what I did from halfway across the planet. That would be impressive if you'd been correct.

Although you're right about one thing: I didn't read the spell in great detail the first time around, or I'd have pointed out you spelled "enemies" wrong. Twice. I also find it distasteful that you're basically engaging in the same behavior as the fundamentalist Christians whose actions you decry. Why is it wrong for them to do this but okay for you?


Nowhere in my spell/prayer do I talk about sitting on your butt and do nothing. The spell is not only for democracy but to pep you up to get engaged in whatever interest you: women rights, pagan rights, poverty, international helps, etc. In my case the spell works, each time I read it I wonder what else I could do more than just... vote.
If you want to honor those who've fought for freedom, put out the candle and walk the walk.

If someone's interested in helping out, more power to them. If they're not, no amount of magic or prayer is going to get them off their duffs.


Then I go back to actions (to be firm, to get our voices heard, to be strong) and I also ask for protection from the Goddess for us during all the actions we do. Then I repeat the first paragraph.
Tell you what. You pray; I'll vote, write letters to elected officials, etc. And then we'll measure who had more of an impact on their targeted political arena. How's that sound?

[~Elise~]

You're the one who has issues with the guy, not me, including plenty of other people as well.


NO, PB is not the only one with a problem with Bonewits. He and I have had this discussion on what he thinks his status as an Elder entitles him to elsewhere on the site a year or so ago, so I'm not reiterating here.

[WolfyJames]

Although you're right about one thing: I didn't read the spell in great detail the first time around, or I'd have pointed out you spelled "enemies" wrong. Twice. I also find it distasteful that you're basically engaging in the same behavior as the fundamentalist Christians whose actions you decry. Why is it wrong for them to do this but okay for you?


If you want to honor those who've fought for freedom, put out the candle and walk the walk.

If someone's interested in helping out, more power to them. If they're not, no amount of magic or prayer is going to get them off their duffs.


Tell you what. You pray; I'll vote, write letters to elected officials, etc. And then we'll measure who had more of an impact on their targeted political arena. How's that sound?

First, English is not my mother language, it's French.

Second, and unlike Bonewitz, I target pretty much all fundamentalists because I think intolerance should not be tolerated. I'm very much concerned about women's conditions everywhere in the world.

Third, you complain about me about being no action at all and yet you tell me to sit on my butt and lit a candle, looks who's talking now, as if that would help in any way.

Fourth, the purpose of a spell is not to magickally make things happen but to pep you up enough to make you do concretely in your life the necessary changes. This spell is especially to pep you up to get you out there and engage in something (women rights, pagan rights, poverty, international helps, etc), which I have explained in my previous post.

So again, for the second time (and I won't waste my time repeating it a third time because it was perfectly 100% clear the first time), this spell has nothing to with just doing a spell and sitting on your butt and do nothing. A spell is like one of those personal trainer that helps you to achieve concretely certain goals and this one is about equality and freedom.

[Lunacie]

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Tell you what. You pray; I'll vote, write letters to elected officials, etc. And then we'll measure who had more of an impact on their targeted political arena. How's that sound?


How are you going to measure these effects? As someone who has felt in many ways the power of energy working (magic, prayer, etc), I'd say it's not necessary to devalue those effects in order to make other efforts seem more valuable. All have their place in the scheme of things.

For instance, I broke my arm bone near the shoulder about 6 weeks ago. I wore the sling to keep it immoble until it healed enough to begin doing passive exercises, but I also channeled Reiki healing energies to it several times a week. Each time I returned to the ortho doc, she was "very pleased" with my xrays, which I believe means that my "magic" was working. It certainly wouldn't have done much good if I had not worn the sling to support the bone while it healed... I was doing everything I could to heal my arm.

Never could understand this idea that physical actions were more valuable than magical actions, and that magic should be saved as a "last resort." Just as some drugs seem to work best in combination, I believe using other healing methods also improves the outcome.

And then we carry that viewpoint over to other intentions, such as working to improve democracy, freedom and justice. Do everything you can, but no one person can do it all, so give supportive energies to those who are doing what you cannot. I would hardly be the best choice to run for Congress or serve in the Armed Forces, so I do what I can where I am and support those who are able to fill those roles.

[Sequoia]

First, English is not my mother language, it's French.

Good for you for learning two languages. Hopefully you can take your misspelling gracefully and acknowledge his assistance in furthering your knowledge of the English language. :)


Second, and unlike Bonewitz, I target pretty much all fundamentalists because I think intolerance should not be tolerated. I'm very much concerned about women's conditions everywhere in the world.

And yet, you are intolerant of the fundamentalists, even the ones who are just going around believing whatever they believe and not harming you in the least. The hypocrisy is ironic! (Says the queen of stating the obvious.)


Third, you complain about me about being no action at all and yet you tell me to sit on my butt and lit a candle, looks who's talking now, as if that would help in any way.

Show me where he told you to do ANYTHING, other than in one sarcastic comment in which he told you to "pray".


Fourth, the purpose of a spell is not to magickally make things happen but to pep you up enough to make you do concretely in your life the necessary changes. This spell is especially to pep you up to get you out there and engage in something (women rights, pagan rights, poverty, international helps, etc), which I have explained in my previous post.

So again, for the second time (and I won't waste my time repeating it a third time because it was perfectly 100% clear the first time), this spell has nothing to with just doing a spell and sitting on your butt and do nothing. A spell is like one of those personal trainer that helps you to achieve concretely certain goals and this one is about equality and freedom.

Well, you certainly didn't make that clear, either IN your spell or in your first post. And I don't think everyone will agree with you that spells are "just to pep you up". In fact, a great many people (including Lunacie who defended you) believe in the inherent power of solid energy-workings. Clearly she doesn't believe she was just pepping herself up when she did the Reiki work on her arm. (Though, I would have been more impressed had the bone healed at twice the speed of normal. Regular ol' people have "pleased" doctors all the time. Hell, my ankle is BAD and my doctor was "pleased" with the X-ray results. So that doesn't say a whole heck of a lot.)

But in general... you don't post "spells" or anything without inviting constructive criticism. Unless you specifically state, "OMG you guys, don't be MEAN to me, okay??? This is a SPESHUL spell that I don't want anyone to question, EVAR."

Which you did not state. So naturally, in a community of constructively thinking energy workers, we critiqued your "spell". And you did not like the results of said critique.

By the way, just to add to the critique... I didn't see any real instructions for actual energy work. I saw instructions for a lit candle (what devotion of energy, if any, do we contribute when we light the candle? What's our focus? Does the color matter? Any other details you can think of?), a tarot card (how do we invoke this card? Does the deck type matter?), and a poem to be repeated three times. Does your spell work powerfully, or subtly? Is it instant, or does it take time? To whom should we direct the energy in our voice, as we are speaking this poem?

Details, man. Details!