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ShadowCat
August 27th, 2002, 02:22 PM
I'm interested in anyones opinion or experience of so called "glamour" spells. I often see what in my opinion are somewhat pointless spells in online book of shadows' from "changing" eye colour and the like to making yourself appear physically "beautiful" to others. Do you believe that trying to alter peoples perceptions of the way you look is morally correct? Have these spells worked for anyone in the past?
Thanks in advance, it's just a subject i find interesting.

Azure
August 27th, 2002, 03:51 PM
Well, I'm an actress, and in a sense I use them all the time. However, for me, what it involves is changing my body energy, so that people perceive me the way I want them to. That's what acting is. I can't literally change my eye color, but I can make people look at my eyes. And I can project a particular emotion or sensation that I want people to pick up on - reverse empathy if you will. That's how good artists work, and it seems to me that that's the real key to "glamoury."

The key is deciding what you want to project to people, and meditating on it, and allowing that image to settle into your body - then maintaining that projection for as long as you need to. After awhile, maintaining it becomes second nature and you can call it up at will, but it takes a lot of energy to maintain, so make sure you're prepared for that.

Flar's Freyja
August 27th, 2002, 04:13 PM
Yes, they do work to a large extent and tie in with basic psychology - the self-fulfilling prophecy. We are who we believe we are. Have you ever known someone who isn't really all that great looking but still turns heads? We project to the world what we feel about ourselves inside - "As Within, So Without."

I frequently use a little spell that I found in one of Scott Cunningham's books. As you're putting on your makeup, focus on which type of image you'd like to project for that day. You can change from businesslike to youthful to glamorous. As Azure said, it does require raising and maintaining energy, but it does work :)

Faery-Wings
August 28th, 2002, 08:24 AM
Along the same lines, what I have done is if I am nervous about meeting someone, I try to spend some time meditating what kind of image I am trying to project. For instance, I usually want to project a warm personality. I try to settle a color over myself, change my aura, I guess, to reflect that. I usually try to project a pink/coral type color. To me, that represents love and friendship and warmth. So far it seems to work. Whether I am really projecting that or whether it is enough for me to *believe* that I am more warm and confident, who knows?
:)

Flar's Freyja
August 28th, 2002, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by chryssi1
Along the same lines, what I have done is if I am nervous about meeting someone, I try to spend some time meditating what kind of image I am trying to project. For instance, I usually want to project a warm personality. I try to settle a color over myself, change my aura, I guess, to reflect that. I usually try to project a pink/coral type color. To me, that represents love and friendship and warmth. So far it seems to work. Whether I am really projecting that or whether it is enough for me to *believe* that I am more warm and confident, who knows?
:)

I really do believe that when we change our own energy, it changes the energy around us, so I would have to say that you are really projecting what you intend to. When Wayne Dyer talks about manifesting, he instructs to create and raise the energy for the "essence" or feelings and emotions of what you want. Lynn Grabhorn in her book "Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting" believes that it is the feeling of being successful, beautiful, etc. that attracts things to you and Anthony Robbins preaches the same thing. All of these folks are practicing magick and don't realize it :T

I have heard that eye color can be changed and if you view your body as slim, fit and healthy you can definitely become those things - but I don't believe that you can sprout wings or anything like that ;)

Ravens_Tears
August 28th, 2002, 05:29 PM
I have seen some other people do this instinctively... it is the most amazing thing, though it is usually during a stressfull situation. Apparently, I do this too, but don't know I've done it until someone asks why I looked so different... and I don't know how I do it either.

Azure
August 28th, 2002, 06:01 PM
Psst. Shadow Cat - what part of Essex do you live in??? I used to live in Shenfield, near Brentwood.

ShadowCat
August 28th, 2002, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Azure
Psst. Shadow Cat - what part of Essex do you live in??? I used to live in Shenfield, near Brentwood.

I live near chelmsford azure :)

Azure
August 28th, 2002, 08:20 PM
Cool. I've spent a little time in Chelmsford.

Sigh. hopefully I'll get back to the UK soon.

Flar's Freyja
August 29th, 2002, 01:51 AM
In The Mists of Avalon both Morgaine and Vivianne used glamours to make themselves appear more powerful when necessary. I remember seeing somewhere in the book that both of them were very tiny and that Vivianne could use a glamour to make herself appear to be tall and imposing.

Witchy Cowgirl
August 29th, 2002, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by chryssi1
Along the same lines, what I have done is if I am nervous about meeting someone, I try to spend some time meditating what kind of image I am trying to project. For instance, I usually want to project a warm personality. I try to settle a color over myself, change my aura, I guess, to reflect that. I usually try to project a pink/coral type color. To me, that represents love and friendship and warmth. So far it seems to work. Whether I am really projecting that or whether it is enough for me to *believe* that I am more warm and confident, who knows?
:)

Chryssi, I'd have to say it works for you. What few chats we've had here I've pictured you as a very warm and friendly person. Someone that I could easily get to know and would enjoy spending time with. Someone with a big caring heart. Then when you posted that picture and I saw you, your smile and your children; well it just floored me as to what a positive person you must me.;)

Faery-Wings
September 1st, 2002, 09:01 AM
Thanks hon! Most people don't belivee me when I tell them I am actually very shy and tend to be insecure meeting new people. So maybe I am doing something right with this. :)

Flar's Freyja
September 1st, 2002, 11:52 AM
Aww, it is so cool to check the forums and get warm fuzzies. I agree with WC, Chryssi. Although I've never met you, your energy is warm, loving, light and beautiful.

Faery-Wings
September 1st, 2002, 12:16 PM
oooh, more warm fuzzies!!

You ladies are so sweet! And back atcha:smooch: :smooch:

SagaDraco
September 1st, 2002, 08:33 PM
Not really "glamour", but I've puffed up my aura to make myself look more powerful than I really am; like a lizard puffing up his body to appear more dangerous. It has it's uses. Tiring though!

)O( ~ Khara~ )O(
September 1st, 2002, 09:59 PM
The only make-up I can wear is mascara. I break out from everything else. I use a glamour spell all the time. It makes me feel better about myself.

jelly.belly
September 2nd, 2002, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Freyja

I have heard that eye color can be changed and if you view your body as slim, fit and healthy you can definitely become those things - but I don't believe that you can sprout wings or anything like that ;)

I heard you can change your eye color too, my aunt actually kinda changed hers without knowing it, from a very blue to a pale green... she told me that when she was young she used to go outside every day and look at the sun(how crazy was she? :eek: ) And she always told herself that when she'd be older, she'd have green eyes, and now she does! :eek: I don't exactly know if it changed overnight tho... But when you see her old pictures, of when she was young, you clearly see that her eyes are blue, not green... It's freaky!

And I heard that if you view your body like you want it to be, it'll change to how you want it to be too, I actually tried it and it's kinda working, people have been asking me if i lost weight, I'm already slim, but I wanted to be a little different...

I also heard you can change your hair color too...

But I think the most effective thing you can do is to be confident, if you're scared or stressed, just meditate a little, it really helps! :)

Élistariel
September 15th, 2002, 04:26 AM
I've only recently heard about glamour spells. I do wish to attempt one. Making my eyes sparkling blue, or at least looking it to other people. My eyes are green. I have however, had several people comment on my "brown" eyes. GREEN people GREEN. I also have that desire to be thinner, not model-skinny mind you, but, well, more slim. I kept that desire as I went off to college and got an apartment. I have no scales here, so I can only weigh myself (occasionally) at home-home. Since then, I've gained about 5 pounds (depending on water retention :razz:) And yet everyone tells me I look as though I've lost 10. Oh, and I also have a desire to be a few inches taller. And when I went home last, my grandfather asked me if I was taller. (I'm a 19 year old female, I'm not going to break out into a growth spurt anytime). I just find all that rather odd.

athena_xoxo
September 18th, 2002, 03:01 PM
changing eye color does work...i've seen it and have tried it...but yeah i agree that it's all part of psychology...it's mind and eye tricks and have to do with your energy...some friends told me that they have noticed that when i get really angry, my eye color changes...

like Maren Themah, i too wish that i was taller :sigh:...i'm under 5 feet...:eek:

Haedis
September 18th, 2002, 06:10 PM
I've made my eye color go from a dark brown to a golden color and on a different occasion to a dark red. It takes a hell of a lot of energy for me to do it so I dont anymore. Not to mention it has no real purpose so I'd rather not waste time and effort on it.

But yeah I've used glamours to influence people to respect me (when I deserved it. not just because I enjoy getting respect) and to make myself seem more approachable or more intimidating (saves confontations with a few people who pick on me in school) and several other things which are useful in day to day life. I've even gotten good at becoming "invisible" so I can avoid being yelled at when slacking off in class. I can be ever so immature, cant I?

Élistariel
September 18th, 2002, 06:34 PM
Is it possible to do a "glamour spell" without meaning to? Like in the post above this one, there was mention of becoming/being invisible. I've noticed on MANY occasions, okay, next to every time I speak in class, when NOT called on, I get the "where the heck did you come from" blank stares. Or when I want to ask one of my grandparents (who I sometimes live with) a question, I end up scaring the crap outta them because they didn't know I was there.

Flar's Freyja
September 19th, 2002, 01:04 AM
It might be. If you have a desire not to be noticed, you may be focusing on that enough to cloak yourself.

jelly.belly
September 22nd, 2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Maren Themah
Is it possible to do a "glamour spell" without meaning to? Like in the post above this one, there was mention of becoming/being invisible. I've noticed on MANY occasions, okay, next to every time I speak in class, when NOT called on, I get the "where the heck did you come from" blank stares. Or when I want to ask one of my grandparents (who I sometimes live with) a question, I end up scaring the crap outta them because they didn't know I was there.

:eek: The class thing, happened to me lots of times, but I talk too much, so now it's kinda hard sometimes... :D

qidrogreevat
October 13th, 2002, 12:30 AM
Hi, can anyone direct me in the right direction for making a spell that will temporarily influence someone's view upon my eye color?

Like, make them see my eye color as blue instead of green for a couple of seconds\minutes.

Raevyn
October 13th, 2002, 01:56 AM
Try searching the forum; I know this has been brought up before.

If you need help with that let me know.

qidrogreevat
October 13th, 2002, 07:37 AM
I did a search one Glamour Magick and it came up with two threads :(

Mine, and one talking about the effects of glamour magick, though I only skimmed it, it didn't talk about how to make the desired effect come about.

I've never been one very good with spells, not that I can't do them, I just don't know how to make them up, and so I was wondering, would it require a lot of work, what would the set up be like, who should I be talking to (which deity), so on. I would prefer a lot of opinions, because then I can mix and match :D.

I was thinking of simply asking Aphrodite to change my eye color for as long as the small candle burned.

But that probably wouldn't work. *sigh*

Witchy Cowgirl
October 13th, 2002, 09:15 AM
I think the first thing you need to do is figure out exactly why you want to change the color of your eyes....or they're apperance to someone elese. Your higher power created you the way you are for a reason. Why would you want to change something so divine?

qidrogreevat
October 13th, 2002, 07:54 PM
I just want a temporary spell that I can actually see the results. I don't think that changing my eye color from hazel to blue or green for a couple of minutes is going to really harm my spirit.

The reason I posted on this board was to get guidance, if no-one wants to help me, then that's perfectly okay with me, I'll just attempt it on my own.

Raevyn
October 13th, 2002, 08:26 PM
Hm I found a lot of threads discussing the use of glamours and so on (by searching for "glamour") - for instance, this one I thought was useful http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8266&highlight=glamour

but as you said, I don't think there's a spell written up here (actually there aren't often spells posted here, whether because it'd break copyright or a lot of people think you should write your own or both, I don't know).

I've never changed eye colour (felt no need to) but a lot of people in various threads talk about doing other simpler glamours. Usually they involve visualization and will to project a certain image for a short period of time, and I believe the general consensus is that they don't work long or that they only appear to strangers/people who don't know you well or who aren't paying attention (since people closer to you know you well enough to see through things, I presume). You could probably over time practice doing a glamour and with enough experience and will and maybe the right circumstances just Will it to happen.

Pan
October 13th, 2002, 08:42 PM
The thing with contacting a deity to help you is choosing the right one.. just picking one because it sounds good isn't the best reasoning to do something with a deity... I believe it's best to at least become acquainted with that god or goddess and read up on their mythology before asking them for favours.

Also, what is your reason behind wanting to change your eye colour? Would it be just to see if it works? Many gods and goddesses need specific reasons and a little friendship before you work with them.

Also, just to see if it works is rarely a good idea to do magick. ;) At least imho.

Phoenix Blue
October 13th, 2002, 09:00 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but it just sounds like you want an "Oh, neat!" effect, or something that might make a believer out of someone.

Why do you need a different eye color? Please note my emphasis on need--Gods are Gods, not djinnis.

qidrogreevat
October 13th, 2002, 09:55 PM
*sigh* I'm not trying to make a believer out of anyone, it's just a personal goal I want to accomplish.

Phoenix Blue
October 14th, 2002, 12:15 AM
That's understandable. But again: why?

Witchy Cowgirl
October 14th, 2002, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by qidrogreevat

The reason I posted on this board was to get guidance, if no-one wants to help me, then that's perfectly okay with me, I'll just attempt it on my own.

We are trying to give you a little guidance.
That's why there have been 3 replies asking WHY you wanna do this.
You have to be able to think all these things through and be able to answer questions such as these.
There are much more important things that Glamour can be used for than just changing eye color.
Such as projecting a positive self image.

(PB I love your new Avatar)

qidrogreevat
October 14th, 2002, 07:27 AM
Okay, my eventual goal is to end up projecting a positive self image, but that's an EVENTUAL. Before I waste energy attempting that, I want to see whether I'm at the level to be able to cast a glamour spell. As a 'test' of sorts, I was going to change my eye color for a couple of seconds to see whether I had it in me.

BTW, Raevyn, I didn't mean to ask for a spell, I really meant perhaps a list of deities of the top of someone's head that I could research, or something like that.

Pan
October 14th, 2002, 04:40 PM
Possible Deities for Glamour:

Aphrodite/Venus (Greek/Roman)
Graces (Greek)
Uma (Hindu)
Balder (Norse)
Cliodhna (Irish)
Kishijoten (Japanese)
Oshun (Voudoun. use with CAUTION)
Lakshmi (Hindu)
Xochipilli (Aztec)
Branwen (Celtic)
Nuada (Celtic)

That's all I could find for now. Just look them up and do research.. then and only then should you even consider asking them for help, imho.

And the reason I put caution beside Oshun is that, in my experience, the Voudoun deities are more ... abrupt than the others. They're more forceful and they usually need a really good reason to do magick. I used to work with a Voudoun priestess, but I quickly stopped.. Voudoun just wasn't for me. 8O

Haedis
October 14th, 2002, 05:39 PM
In my experience changing eye color distinguishably is more difficult than presenting a subtle but definite projection of confidence or beauty that would make people think "wow they look nice today".

I'm not so sure that an eye color glamour would be the right one for just a "test". If you need to practice to build up to a main goal you should try visualization and concentration on your true goal first rather than doing a "lesser" glamour to work up to what you really want.

Phoenix Blue
October 14th, 2002, 08:59 PM
Quoth qidrogreevat:
Okay, my eventual goal is to end up projecting a positive self image, but that's an EVENTUAL. Before I waste energy attempting that, I want to see whether I'm at the level to be able to cast a glamour spell. As a 'test' of sorts, I was going to change my eye color for a couple of seconds to see whether I had it in me.
That's the thing, though - it's not a waste of energy to attempt something that is truly meaningful, such as giving yourself a healthier self-image.

Giving yourself that new self-image is something that you do within your own mind, not within the minds of others; and it is nothing more or less than finding things to like about the person you see in the mirror. If you're not happy with yourself, neither the color of your eyes nor the shape of your body will matter--no one else will be happy with you, either.

Raevyn
October 14th, 2002, 09:17 PM
Maybe it'd be important to note clearly that glamours are about projecting something - as in you couldn't actually change your eye colour or self image, you could only project the different eye colour so someone else could see it temporarily, for example.

The eye colour bit is not likely to work at all because it's just a fanciful thing, the other might be more useful if you actually found a way to help your self esteem rather then trying to project a better one.

As to you're not asking for a spell


I just want a temporary spell that I can actually see the results. I don't think that changing my eye color from hazel to blue or green for a couple of minutes is going to really harm my spirit.

(5th post down) you can see why I thought you did, so thanks for the clarification that that wasn't exactly what you meant.

Ben Gruagach
October 14th, 2002, 09:50 PM
We have to remember too that what used to be considered "magick" in older days is now considered "science" today. Magick potions to heal in some (and perhaps many) cases were herbal knowledge being used where today the active ingredients have been identified and made into scientifically controlled medicines. Ancient "magick" to change one's appearance today is called the cosmetics industry.

So the most effective "magick" to change one's eye colour is to use magickal tokens called "currency" to obtain the rare and wondrous "coloured contact lenses." In ancient times they might put powders or liquids in their eyes to try and dye them to get similar (but not as safe or effective) results. In ancient times they could change their hair colour by visiting the local herbalist or witch and get a potion to do the trick - today we invoke Ms Clairol by visiting her shrine at your local drugstore or grocery store.

Witchy Cowgirl
October 14th, 2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix_Blue
That's the thing, though - it's not a waste of energy to attempt something that is truly meaningful, such as giving yourself a healthier self-image.

Giving yourself that new self-image is something that you do within your own mind, not within the minds of others; and it is nothing more or less than finding things to like about the person you see in the mirror. If you're not happy with yourself, neither the color of your eyes nor the shape of your body will matter--no one else will be happy with you, either.

NOW! We're getting to the heart of the matter! You gotta have faith in yourself and not worry about your eye color unless your gonna take Ben's advise! And what a great way to say it Ben! I'd been looking for a "nice" way to put that all day and just couldn't come up with anything tactful. BEN TO THE RESCUE!

Jeleia
October 15th, 2002, 02:23 AM
Raevyn ~ I remember reading an article on your website awhile back on this subject, I was trying to find it the other day. Is it still up?

Raevyn
October 15th, 2002, 06:53 AM
Nope nothing is up right now. I can dig it up if you like however I don't think it says anymore then everyone here has already :)

qidrogreevat
October 15th, 2002, 07:54 AM
lol, it seems as though I've stirred up a hornets nest, but you needn't worry, I've decided to (finally) take all of your advice. Thanks for the input, you really helped with me figuring out the 'important' things in life.

In my defense, I don't know all that much about magick, and so my opinions are a bit warped. This will be amongst my first spells (discounting the one that failed miserably). Thanks again.

Phoenix Blue
October 15th, 2002, 09:15 AM
**Smiles** It's okay to be new to all this, Qid. We all were, once. . . and it's fairly easy to pick out the newbies. ;) I'm glad I could help.

Jeleia
October 21st, 2002, 01:44 AM
Raevyn~ If you could, I'd love to print it out for my book o' info. :) If thats ok anyways.

Raevyn
October 21st, 2002, 02:31 AM
ok then.. short text file attached. :)

Jeleia
October 26th, 2002, 10:29 AM
Thanks!

Amethyst Rose
October 26th, 2002, 04:22 PM
I just wanted to add that in my experience, the key ingredient to any spell is FAITH. If you do not have faith in yourself or your ability to spell cast, or in the spell itself then it will not work. You must *know* that your spell will be successful before it will be.... there is little room for self doubt when working magick.

qidrogreevat
November 2nd, 2002, 08:55 PM
I'm sorry to say, but I've 'passed on' so to speak. Magic is no longer a subtle force in my life, that will do little things that I want and just that. I have, after many months of study and practice, gained control over weather, and have indeed, changed my eye color many times, just for the simple 'Oh neat!' effect. I do not need any other motive, for I am doing the magic for myself, and so magic can do whatever i want it to. There are no limitations but yourself.