lucid dreaming idea

[kaisune]

i came up with an idea that i have never heard of anyone trying. quite frankly.i'm afraid to, but for those who aren't, here it is.

since dreams are believed to be the link to your subconscious...what would happen if after becoming "aware" of your dream state...you did spellwork?

speelwork during lucid dreaming. has anyone tried this? if so, does it work? are there risks? if no one has tried it, then if you do, pm me or post here the results of your efforts in the dream world.

[Hope]

Lucid dreaming is simply becoming aware of the fact, you are in a dream.

The next step is learning to control the way of the dream and what you do.

I think you will find that many people here, have lucid dreams, and do many activities in their dreams, and many have also learned the next steps.

Use the search button, and lucid dreams, and I think you will find a lot of information to help you start.

love
t

[kaisune]

i didnt see anything like this. im perfect educated on lucid dreamign (the realm of sleep has held my interest since EC) but because it is a world inside your subconscious...would it make spell work more powerful? or would they fail? or no effect on it? i can pretty much lucid dream at will...as long as i prepare before hand. but i dont have enough expierience to mess around with spell work in that manner, for i only even know one spell.

[Morgaine_cla]

Greetings,

There are a lot of ethical issues here which it appears have not been sufficiently explored...

For one thing, dreams are necessary for your body to heal from the day's activity; if you start using them to work instead of to heal, what impact will this have on your health and well-being? How might it affect your good judgement in difficult situations, etc.? Also, dreams are not "only" real in the subconscious. Some dreams show us the future; others show us the past. Some allow us contact with the dead or with spirit guides. Nearly every indigenous spirituality teaches that our spirit travels to other places in dreams -- places that are real, where we have real encounters and interactions. These spirit flights serve many important purposes. Unless you are an expert at telling the dreams that are "only real in your subconscious" from those that involve actual spirit flight and/or healing, you may only be complicating your own ability to work with your dreams.

I realise that there is a lot of literature out there that promotes the idea of using one's dreams to manifest conscious desires, but most of these books avoid looking closely at the natural purposes of dreaming in favour of exploiting the dreaming process. The dreams you dream naturally actually reveal your heart's deepest desire and tell you how to attain them... It just takes a bit more time and effort. I would suggest doing a lot more exploration of how your dreams work and how they affect your life and well-being before trying to manipulate them for greater magical power...

Be well and be blessed

[kaisune]

i study sleep..i know that duruig lucid dreaming...your body doesnt get as much rest, im not sayign evrynight thing...but..when the need for greater access to your power...would it help? ihave extensive knowledge on the realm of sleep...both me and my dad study it as a hobby. it's a very interesting realm, and i kknow that it isnt just real in the dream world. my dreams have resovles serious lif eissues before...i'm just looking for some who has tried spell work during a lucid dream.....or is willing to try and get back to me. i already know everything ive been told so far.
and as far as the ethical issues...emergencies are exempt from morals and ethics. knowledge is also exempt from ethics. i seek only knowledge, and this is where that pursuit has led me.

[Lunar Raven]

Isn't pathworking kind of like this? I'm not all too familiar with the concept, so forgive me if I'm way off.

[Gypsyballad]

i study sleep..i know that duruig lucid dreaming...your body doesnt get as much rest, im not sayign evrynight thing...but..when the need for greater access to your power...would it help? ihave extensive knowledge on the realm of sleep...both me and my dad study it as a hobby. it's a very interesting realm, and i kknow that it isnt just real in the dream world. my dreams have resovles serious lif eissues before...i'm just looking for some who has tried spell work during a lucid dream.....or is willing to try and get back to me. i already know everything ive been told so far.
and as far as the ethical issues...emergencies are exempt from morals and ethics. knowledge is also exempt from ethics. i seek only knowledge, and this is where that pursuit has led me.

I think that it is possible to do spellwork during lucid dreaming. And that it is more powerful than doing spellwork during waking hours. In the book, "Modern Magic", by Donald Michael Kraig, he recommends doing spellwork while you've astral projected into the astral plane. He says your magic is more powerful because you are actually doing the spellwork on the astral plane. Therefore it should come to fruition more quickly. If you'd like, you could always pick up the book at Amazon.com.

Hope this helps!

[Morgaine_cla]

Greetings, again, Kaisune,

I also am practised in dreaming... If you are as experienced as you say, then you know that when you ask others to help you, you ask them to share responsibility for the consequences of what you do. Frankly, knowing that you "intend to increase your power in spellwork" is just not enough for me to make an informed, ethical choice. If this is an emergency, what kind of emergency is it? On whose behalf are you acting? Do you have their consent to act?...

Also, you are the one who asked for help. You could at least be cordial in your response.

[kaisune]

i apologize if i seemed rude. i was annoyed at the time, and wasnt being as nice as i should've ^^ i dont plan on doing it, i just seek knowledge is all. the knowledge itself is power enough for me, and the emergencies id use it in would be like...life and death situations where a person's life was on the line. (say...seriously injured, or contemplating suicide...i do have a few suicidal friends) but ethics are a personal thing...my morals arent exactly on par with mainstream society's....im more realistic ^^ but i dont plan on doing it...and in case the question has bee raised somehow....i accept the darker magicks as part of the whole....but do not practice them. or trust me, i'd have a lot better life at the moment ^^

but..just a question for you margaine.....how is it unethical to increase your power if you arent harming anyone?

[Morgaine_cla]

Greetings, Kaisune,

And thank you for your response. I feel better about this dialogue now, and I appreciate your consideration...

Now... As you've noted, ethics are personal; I can only answer your question from the perspective of my own ethics, but I will give it a go...

People define power in many different ways and take it from many different sources. Not all sources are sources that cause no harm. Here's one example that comes to mind in relation to a topic on another thread: Some people siphon life force from other living beings (stones, trees, animals, people) as a means of expanding on their own personal power. They believe this practice is harmless so long as there is no visible ill effect on the other being(s), and they often use the astral when looking for new "energy sources". My own view is we each get only the energy we need. There isn't any "spare" energy, and merely because we can't perceive the harm being done doesn't mean it isn't harmful. (For example, you could tap into a tree's energy and it might not seem harmed, but tomorrow when it's attacked by insects or fungi, it won't have the energy it needs to fend off the attack. So harm was done, just not while anyone was looking...) I realise that something like this is probably not what you were intending, but I feel it's my responsibility to be sure before I act.

I believe the only power to which we have any *right* comes from within us, from our personal connection with the Source energy, so that's the only way I am comfortable working. I couldn't find where this was discussed, so I had no way of knowing really what was being proposed beyond using the dream-state to amplify and direct power...

I understand completely your concern for people who are in danger, but I'm not sure we can always know what is in someone's highest good. It's a tricky thing to know because we are emotionally involved. I think sometimes that may mean letting people go, even when that is painful for us, and sometimes it may mean helping them stay here... So rather than take any chances with someone else's destiny, I prefer to always direct my efforts for "whatever is in their highest good"; that way I am sure that what I am doing is not causing unforeseen problems for them, or in the web the Lady's weaving. That's my ethic.

I hope this helps clarify what I was trying to say and thank you once again for your post. I'll be watching for your reply.

Be well and be blessed--

[kaisune]

thank you for explaining ^^ i understand what you mean now.