8 babies! 8!!!!

[Iris]

A US woman has given birth to eight babies, becoming just the second person recorded in the US to have delivered a set of living octuplets.

The six boys and two girls, who were nine weeks premature, were delivered by Caesarean section in the hospital near Los Angeles, California.

The babies weighed in at between 1lb 8 ounces (820g) and 3lb 4oz (1.47kg) and are all said to be doing well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7852623.stm

You'd be so annoyed if you found out there were 8 of them up in there :lol:

[Shanti]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

[BlackLili]

Owch! :hairred:

[Cloaked Raven]

:foh:

Congrats to her... I hope all the babies thrive and are happy and healthy.

Otherwise, :foh: Can't imagine taking care of 8 babies at once, it was hard enough to look after my son when he was a newborn...

[Purrcatnip]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

Totally 100% agree with you.

[Catiana]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.



I completely agree

[Artiste-LiLi]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

Yep, peoplez is not meant to have litterz...if we were we would have a bi-cornate uterus.

I worked with an infertility doc doing IVF and all that stuff for years.....and it made me believe even stronger in people not having litters. (and THAT is as far on that soapbox as I am going to climb!)

[FiresSong]

I remember seeing the woman who had six, and the poor dear was as big as a house - I can just imagine two more all up in there. >.> I'm glad the babies are healthy, though, and I hope those two are ready.

[watersprite]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

Exactly!

[Philosophia]

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

How would you define a litter (more than what number?)?

[Bettie]

Sure, women aren't built to carry that many, and it's a tremendous strain on the mother and the economy etc. etc. but... but.... BABIES! Eight!! Awww!!! :hearthear

*feeling all smooshy now*

[mephistopheles]

And she plans to breastfeed all EIGHT of them! Well, thats what the news said this morning.. As someone on another board said, "never have more babies than you have nipples!" :lol:. That made my morning.

[Artiste-LiLi]

How would you define a litter (more than what number?)?

Any number greater than what naturally occurs on a regular basis within the human species. So for me, that generally means any number larger than 4...and 4 is still pushing my limits. In humans single birth is the norm, followed next by twins...triplets are occasional, natural quads are fairly rare, natural quints are rarer still and natural sextups and septups are most rare.

In my humble little opinion....if they can conceive, carry and bear that many naturally....have at it.....but.....to conceive that many "un"-naturally...just ain't right.

[~Belladonna~]

Aww! Though I bet she doesn't know whats just hit her lol. I mean, 8 babies, geesh!

[~Belladonna~]

Sure, women aren't built to carry that many, and it's a tremendous strain on the mother and the economy etc. etc. but... but.... BABIES! Eight!! Awww!!! :hearthear

*feeling all smooshy now*

Exactly :cutie:

[Philosophia]

Any number greater than what naturally occurs on a regular basis within the human species. So for me, that generally means any number larger than 4...and 4 is still pushing my limits. In humans single birth is the norm, followed next by twins...triplets are occasional, natural quads are fairly rare, natural quints are rarer still and natural sextups and septups are most rare.

In my humble little opinion....if they can conceive, carry and bear that many naturally....have at it.....but.....to conceive that many "un"-naturally...just ain't right.

Okay, thanks for explaining that to me. I do agree with you. :hugz:

[orangeconey]

Soon they will be 8 toddlers. Then preschoolers. Eventually teenagers.

BWAHAHA!! :bigredgri

[WitchJezebel]

Those of you that think women shouldn't have litters, do you honestly think she did this intentionally? And don't all of you have children of your own? Is denying her the right to have children, whether she had IVF or not, fair? All women who go in for IVF run the risk of having multiples and they do tell you that, but saying that it puts a 'strain on the population' considering you may already have what she wanted, is pretty selfish IMO.

I can tell you now that although I would NEVER trade places with her, if she's happy then many blessings to her.

[Shanti]

Those of you that think women shouldn't have litters, do you honestly think she did this intentionally? And don't all of you have children of your own? Is denying her the right to have children, whether she had IVF or not, fair? All women who go in for IVF run the risk of having multiples and they do tell you that, but saying that it puts a 'strain on the population' considering you may already have what she wanted, is pretty selfish IMO.

I can tell you now that although I would NEVER trade places with her, if she's happy then many blessings to her.
But there is no reason why after a very successful IVF she can not reduce, which is often recommended!
Many say its a god thing...right to life, god will decide and all that.
Well god didn't make this happen, people did and if the claim is medicine is god directed then the same people should have no problems with cloning or stem cell research since that to would be divinely guided.

Fact is she could of had a reduction and kept 2-3, a more natural possibility for the body and babies.

Wanting a child is fine, but keeping a litter out of selfishness is another.

[WitchJezebel]

But there is no reason why after a very successful IVF she can not reduce, which is often recommended!
Many say its a god thing...right to life, god will decide and all that.
Well god didn't make this happen, people did and if the claim is medicine is god directed then the same people should have no problems with cloning or stem cell research since that to would be divinely guided.

Fact is she could of had a reduction and kept 2-3, a more natural possibility for the body and babies.

Wanting a child is fine, but keeping a litter out of selfishness is another.

But deeming her selfish because she wanted them all isn't fair either. She could have had a reduction, sure but she chose not to. If someone told you that you were selfish because of your children and/or your life choices, you'd go out of your mind in defense, and rightly so.

I never said anything about god or divine intervention, I don't know this woman's religious beliefs nor do I care about that at all; but you're only looking at this woman and her choices from your selfish point of view. You have children and in other posts you've stated yourself that you had children because you wanted them. How many is acceptable to you? Who decides how many is too many and who should make that choice besides the parents?

[Kraheera]

I think she should have had a reduction purely because of hte ecnomy. True, she'll get lots of donations... for the first 2 years maybe. But after that?

Can you imagine supporting 8 children, all teh same age? It's easier if you space them out, because of hand me downs. But to have 8 all the same age?

I'm thinking more for the children, at this point, than for the mother. This is NOT going to be an easy childhood for them.

[WitchJezebel]

I think she should have had a reduction purely because of hte ecnomy. True, she'll get lots of donations... for the first 2 years maybe. But after that?

Can you imagine supporting 8 children, all teh same age? It's easier if you space them out, because of hand me downs. But to have 8 all the same age?

I'm thinking more for the children, at this point, than for the mother. This is NOT going to be an easy childhood for them.

Do you know for sure she can't afford them? Maybe she has a big family that can all lend a hand.

[Shanti]

But deeming her selfish because she wanted them all isn't fair either. She could have had a reduction, sure but she chose not to. If someone told you that you were selfish because of your children and/or your life choices, you'd go out of your mind in defense, and rightly so.

I never said anything about god or divine intervention, I don't know this woman's religious beliefs nor do I care about that at all; but you're only looking at this woman and her choices from your selfish point of view. You have children and in other posts you've stated yourself that you had children because you wanted them. How many is acceptable to you? Who decides how many is too many and who should make that choice besides the parents?Nope! I was selfish in having children.
We are not short in population nor in children. Having a child is selfish when the population doesn't need it.
Breeding is for the natural purpose of maintaining a species population. Unless maintenance is needed, breeding is selfish.

And when a reduction would benefit the remaining fetuses and mother, which it does, what other reason besides selfishness could there be in keeping all 8?

[WitchJezebel]

Nope! I was selfish in having children.
We are not short in population nor in children. Having a child is selfish when the population doesn't need it.

Breeding is for the natural purpose of maintaining a species population. Unless maintenance is needed, breeding is selfish.
And when a reduction would benefit the remaining fetuses and mother, which it does, what other reason besides selfishness could there be in keeping all 8?

Because she wanted them the way you wanted yours. Did you give the same rationalizations when you decided to have children, whether you had 2, 4 or 16?

You're entitled to your opinions on it as am I, but your reasoning is hypocritical.

[WitchOfEndor]

Eeek! Poor woman will drop dead from sheer exhaustion before those kids goto preschool. Can imagine potty training 8 kids at the same time? I'm tired just thinking about it & breast feeding all of them as well? She's going to look like a deflated balloon.

Best of luck to her & those babies.

[WitchJezebel]

Eeek! Poor woman will drop dead from sheer exhaustion before those kids goto preschool. Can imagine potty training 8 kids at the same time? I'm tired just thinking about it & breast feeding all of them as well? She's going to look like a deflated balloon.

Best of luck to her & those babies.

No question, her life is upside down now and will be for years (but better her than me I say). She's definitely going to need all the help she can get so I hope she's got a good support system.

[Shanti]

Because she wanted them the way you wanted yours. Did you give the same rationalizations when you decided to have children, whether you had 2, 4 or 16?

You're entitled to your opinions on it as am I, but your reasoning is hypocritical.
Funny even the people in the fertility field pretty much feel that these types of births are not good.

LINK (http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-me-octuplets28-2009jan28,0,1184425.story)

[Artiste-LiLi]

Those of you that think women shouldn't have litters, do you honestly think she did this intentionally? And don't all of you have children of your own? Is denying her the right to have children, whether she had IVF or not, fair? All women who go in for IVF run the risk of having multiples and they do tell you that, but saying that it puts a 'strain on the population' considering you may already have what she wanted, is pretty selfish IMO.

I can tell you now that although I would NEVER trade places with her, if she's happy then many blessings to her.

Nope....I have no children...by choice. Never wanted any, never had any.

Do I think she did this intentionally....you betcha. If she opened her mouth and swallowed fertility medications or if she injected herself or allowed others to inject her with fertility drugs...yes, she did it intentionally. If she took fertility drugs was she told of the risks that she might have multiples....yep.....AND, she was told of the option to do what is called "selective reduction". How do I know she was? I used to work doing infertility proceedures and IVF and TCET and GIFTTs and ZIFTTs and egg retrieval and allllllllll that other stuff. So, if she willingly took fertility drugs and willingly refused selective reduction when she knew she was already carrying at least 7...then yes, she did do it intentionally.

Do I wish to deny her the "right" to have a child? No. I never said she should not have a child, never said she had no "right" to have a child. I just said it ain't normal to have EIGHT all at the same time....and it *isn't* NORMAL. Although, having worked in an infertility program for 11 years.....there truly are some people who should not reproduce for many reasons.

I hope she is very happy and I hope all the babies do very well....but I still say it ain't normal for women to have litters.

[Artiste-LiLi]

And she plans to breastfeed all EIGHT of them! Well, thats what the news said this morning.. As someone on another board said, "never have more babies than you have nipples!" :lol:. That made my morning.


Yep, and that is why animals have bi-cornate uteri so they can carry multiple fetus and have multiple nipples to accomodate/feed their offspring...it is also why in many animals "selective re-absorption in utero" occurs..not enough nipples/food to go around and/or why many animals will allow the smallest and weakest to starve (or some will sometimes outright kill the runt(s) of a litter by laying on them, continually turning their backs on the runts so they can not nurse or by decapitation or by moving all the litter to another location and leaving the runt(s) behind)

[WitchJezebel]

Funny even the people in the fertility field pretty much feel that these types of births are not good.

LINK (http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-me-octuplets28-2009jan28,0,1184425.story)

So what? It's still her choice whether you or the doctors think it's wreckless. I never said it was healthy or even wise, my issue is with criticizing her choice and using the over population excuse to back it up.


Nope....I have no children...by choice. Never wanted any, never had any.

Do I think she did this intentionally....you betcha. If she opened her mouth and swallowed fertility medications or if she injected herself or allowed others to inject her with fertility drugs...yes, she did it intentionally. If she took fertility drugs was she told of the risks that she might have multiples....yep.....AND, she was told of the option to do what is called "selective reduction". How do I know she was? I used to work doing infertility proceedures and IVF and TCET and GIFTTs and ZIFTTs and egg retrieval and allllllllll that other stuff. So, if she willingly took fertility drugs and willingly refused selective reduction when she knew she was already carrying at least 7...then yes, she did do it intentionally.

Do I wish to deny her the "right" to have a child? No. I never said she should not have a child, never said she had no "right" to have a child. I just said it ain't normal to have EIGHT all at the same time....and it *isn't* NORMAL. Although, having worked in an infertility program for 11 years.....there truly are some people who should not reproduce for many reasons.

I hope she is very happy and I hope all the babies do very well....but I still say it ain't normal for women to have litters.


Oh no, I totally agree with you that it's not 'normal' or healthy to have all 8 babies, of course not. My issue is who decides how many is enough? Who, if not the parents, get to say how many is appropriate? It's highly unlikely that this woman gave a second thought of the "continuation of the species" if she had to go so far to actually have IVF and all she wanted was children. Should we give that choice to the government? The doctors? No. Whether we agree with her choice or not, it's still hers to make. That's my only issue here, I never said it was the healthiest, "normal" or even logical thing to do, but we cannot deny her right to do it.

[WitchOfEndor]

Just heard on the news that the mom already has 6 kids at home & now 8 more! Eeekk!

[Artiste-LiLi]

Just heard on the news that the mom already has 6 kids at home & now 8 more! Eeekk!

Yep, and they alllllll (hubby, kids and she) live with her parents in a house that is of a style that typically has 3 bedrooms. She has 4 boys and 2 girls and in that six there is one set of twins.

[NefertSatSekhmet]

Wow... now I am gobsmacked... I had wrongly assumed this was a childless couple using fertility drugs to achieve a family... but to add 8 more babies to an already existing family of 6 kids.... ?!?!?

[Meadhbh]

I agree on the no people litters thing. Thats fourteen kids all together and thats insane. There is no way that any one should want or have for that matter fourteen children, its insane.

[Artiste-LiLi]

Wow... now I am gobsmacked... I had wrongly assumed this was a childless couple using fertility drugs to achieve a family... but to add 8 more babies to an already existing family of 6 kids.... ?!?!?

Nope....not childless at all..she already has 6....the oldest is approximately 7/8 the youngest is around 2 and now 8 more. She lives with her parents, there is no mention of a husband and/or father, her father has gone back to his native Iraq "to work" and he was supposedly in the military (high rank I think) in the past. They (the parents) filed for bankruptcy(sp) last year and abandoned a house they had bought. The house they live in now is in a neighborhood of homes that are of the style that have 2 to 3 bedrooms on average. I haven't heard if they "own" this house or if they rent. (Kind of makes me ill when *I* can't get a house no matter how hard I work and try and *others* can file bankruptcy(sp), abandon homes and so much more and they can walk right into another mortgage loan. ugh. sigh) She was already 3 months pregnant when she came to her OB docs. She received counsel from her OB docs on her options.

CBS did an "exclusive" on her/them this morning and had a fertility specialist on and he was saying that he and the bulk of the medical/infertility community are calling this "something of a medical disaster". Apparently the reproductive health specialist community is very disapproving of this and of any practice that would implant that large a number of embryos in a woman in her mid 30's (she is approx. 35).....the guy on CBS this morning said that any woman in her thirties should not receive more than 2 embryos during any transfer. There is also some question as to whether she was taking fertility drugs all on her own without the supervision of a physician.....but then.....if this was an embryo transfer...she had to be under the care of a physician.

There are apparently some serious questions as to how she paid for this too.

Ya know....if you can support that many..fine. But, if you can't support what you already have..you really should not have more. I didn't have children for many reasons, one of which was the fact that I could not support a child/children during my "fertile/reproductive years" (then nature took care of my fertility and I could not reproduce if I had wanted to) and I sure as heck don't want to support someone elses!

[Faeawyn]

I also heard that she was strongly adviced to reduce the number of fertilized embryo's because it could jeapordize the health and success of all the babies if she didn't. She still refused and said she wanted to try to carry all 7 (the number they originally thought she was carrying). She was willing to sacrifice all of them to give birth to 7...:whatgives:

My friends swear she's shooting for her own reality show.

I also have heard no mention of a father. So why would a women living with her parents with 6 children go in for IVF for more children and have almost a dozen babies implanted?

[Clair de la Lune]

All I have to say is How the hell did this happen, and was this done "under the table", or what???

Does she have medical insurance, because I am wondering if the government sponsored programs pay for this? Does she actually work and pay for daycare....probably not.

Here's more Tax Dollars at Work for ya'! If not now....later!! (How nice for the rest of us "responsible" people...)

WHAT THE HELL WAS SHE THINKING!??
Did she need further reason to stay on Welfare or what?:uhhuhuh: Six others weren't enough, so she had to have 8 more??

She's gonna have a case of the sagging stomach when she gets through with this...and then who's gonna pay for the tummy tuck?

Did she pay for this with drug money or something?

With all the national attention she's getting, she will probably get a damn house and everything else donated to her from the neighborhood, churches, and fundraisers. What about responsible people who need it? :(

Anyone else would have had these kids taken away by Child Protective Services because she couldn't possibly take care of so many.

All I want is to be able to afford a house and maybe 1 child, gods willing. I can't even afford to get married the rate things are going...still hopeful though. Approaching mid-30's is scary in this economy!

[Cunae]

I woman with 6 kids does NOT need fertility treatments... she needs sutures!

I hope this causes the backlash it deserves.

[Caitlin.ann]

I agree on the no people litters thing. Thats fourteen kids all together and thats insane. There is no way that any one should want or have for that matter fourteen children, its insane.

They're just trying to beat the Duggers. :p

I'm wondering if they're hoping for a tv show? 14 kids and counting..

[WokeUpDead]

And of course it's always the stupidest people alive that pass their genes on the most.

[FiresSong]

Sweet zombie kittens. What is wrong with these people?

[Zoritsa_Nepenthe]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5622330.ece

Seems they filed bankruptcy and have been getting government help.I'd like to know who's going to pay for all these children,for their care while in the hospital,and for the rest of their lives.Oh wait...I know the answer to that one......

[Glowy]

That many children are not good for a woman's body.

The 5 first pregs, wow... but 6 more sucking at her calcium..

I love babies too... I would love more.. but.. FFS.. they are expensive.

[Terra Mater]

So she didn't want to abort some of her babies. That makes her evil?

Personally, I think the news should quit reporting these stories. The first 50 times it happened might have been news, now its just fodder for the masses.

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[BlackMagicalCat]

But there is no reason why after a very successful IVF she can not reduce, which is often recommended!
Many say its a god thing...right to life, god will decide and all that.
Well god didn't make this happen, people did and if the claim is medicine is god directed then the same people should have no problems with cloning or stem cell research since that to would be divinely guided.

Fact is she could of had a reduction and kept 2-3, a more natural possibility for the body and babies.

Wanting a child is fine, but keeping a litter out of selfishness is another.


If you feel like there are too many people,,then kill yourself first,,,,instead of the helpless child. Or you can start with your own family first,,so the rest of us can have more room to live of course(nothing personal)

Then,,we can kill the elderly,,they take up to much space too,,not to mention the costs of caring for them.


Then,,we can get gov funding for vets,,to suck some of the kittens out of everyones pregnat cat,,so there wont be too many kittens running around,,,we can have a limit of say,,two kittens per cat.

And then we will do the same for dogs,,

[Cunae]

If you feel like there are too many people,,then kill yourself first,,,,instead of the helpless child. Or you can start with your own family first,,so the rest of us can have more room to live of course(nothing personal)

Then,,we can kill the elderly,,they take up to much space too,,not to mention the costs of caring for them.


Then,,we can get gov funding for vets,,to suck some of the kittens out of everyones pregnat cat,,so there wont be too many kittens running around,,,we can have a limit of say,,two kittens per cat.

And then we will do the same for dogs,,

I hadn't thought of population control this way. I like it.

Still, I think the state ought to look into taking the babies away from her. One, she can never support all of those children unless she totally exploits them in the media. How will this affect the other SIX? Who is going to pay to educated all 14 children?

Two, she definitely exhibits questionable judgment in seeking fertility treatment in the first place. There is no way she can spend any reasonable amount of quality mother time with any of her brood.

Now, we need to find out what doctors conducted the fertility treatment and why. S/he shows incredibly poor judgment as well and should be investigated.

[Cunae]

Now the sad, sick story is coming out! It's even more disturbing to note she has a 3 yr old son who is autistic. This woman is clearly a mental case.

Grandmother: Octuplets Mom Obsessed with Having Children

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

[Terra Mater]

I hadn't thought of population control this way. I like it.

Still, I think the state ought to look into taking the babies away from her. One, she can never support all of those children unless she totally exploits them in the media. How will this affect the other SIX? Who is going to pay to educated all 14 children?

Two, she definitely exhibits questionable judgment in seeking fertility treatment in the first place. There is no way she can spend any reasonable amount of quality mother time with any of her brood.

Now, we need to find out what doctors conducted the fertility treatment and why. S/he shows incredibly poor judgment as well and should be investigated.

Every teen mom shows questionable judgement by having a kid in the first place, should they have their children automatically taken away? (careful how you answer, there are a few teen moms who are MW members)

[wolf]

I would like to understand how any ethical physician would agree to fertility treatments for a woman who is young and obviously already quite fertile?

[Cunae]

Every teen mom shows questionable judgement by having a kid in the first place, should they have their children automatically taken away? (careful how you answer, there are a few teen moms who are MW members)

Who said anything about a teenage mother? We are talking about a grown woman with 6 kids, one with special needs.

When a woman wants to have 8 more kids on top of the other 6 she has, yes. She needs to be evaluated. Read the article. There are mental issues here, which is no surprise.

[Glowy]

The grandmother is looking for help- she says her daughter is addicted to children.

Crud.. I can't find the article.

[Cunae]

The grandmother is looking for help- she says her daughter is addicted to children.

Crud.. I can't find the article.

I already posted the link above. Here it is again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets)

I believe cranking out kids can be an addiction, something society hasn't dared to address. It's too politically incorrect! An addiction to something is bad enough for the person, but this profoundly affects the lives of 14 innocent children.

I think she should be sterilized. I know that will garner some nasty replies, which proves my point.

[FiresSong]

I already posted the link above. Here it is again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

I think it can be an addiction, something society hasn't really addressed. It's too politically incorrect! An addiction to something is bad enough for the person, but this profoundly affects the lives of 14 innocent children.

I think she should be sterilized. I know that will get some nasty replies, but see how politically incorrect it is??

Pft. I'm with you. She's a prime example of someone who should not be procreating.

[Glowy]

I already posted the link above. Here it is again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

I believe cranking out kids can be an addiction, something society hasn't dared to address. It's too politically incorrect! An addiction to something is bad enough for the person, but this profoundly affects the lives of 14 innocent children.

I think she should be sterilized. I know that will garner some nasty replies, which proves my point.


I agree.

I deeply love children, all kids. I think they all need time to be alone and special with each parent. 14.. how do they get that one on one bonding time? Feeding should be a quiet, personal time for a new baby. This is going to be like an assembly line. Her body can not produce enough for 8 little ones. So yes..she can breast feed one or two or 3 a day.. and others will bottle feed which is fine. It just feels chaotic to me. I do wish the children all the best

[Sequoia]

This woman clearly has issues. And so did the doctors who helped her have these babies. Because this did not happen naturally. And WTF kind of irresponsible doctor implants more than two embryos into a woman her age? With six other kids at home? TWINS would have been a strain on this poor woman and her family... now THIS?

Not to mention that yes folks, they ARE on gov't assistance.

Did you read the article about her using IVF every single time to have six kids with no other parent involved, no means of supporting them and then to have EIGHT more? That she's been "addicted" to children since teenagerhood, and has been obsessed with having them? That cannot be a healthy environment for these poor kids to grow up in. Not to mention that Grandma told the media she was leaving as soon as "Mom" gets home from the hospital. Good luck, "Mom".

I don't care what anyone says - merely popping out a whelp doesn't make you a mother. This isn't a mother we're talking about here - it's a baby-making 'monster'.

Those poor kids. The previous ones and the current ones. They're the real "winners" in all of this. They're the ones who are going to suffer.

"Women" on government welfare assistance with no partner to help should just NOT be making tons of babies. One child? Two children? These things happen. Mistakes happen. But intentionally having IVF treatments and implanting that many embryos, with NOBODY to help support or care for these babies... it's tantamount to abuse. She's clearly delusional.

I sure as hell hope that some sort of social services steps in and at least does some case work with her.

[OrionNeb87]

I hope the doctor who let this happen gets his license taken away.

My problem is not that she had so many kids but that she had so many kids when she doesn't have the means to support them. Accidents happen yes, but this was all done purposefully or so it seems from the articles.

[Shanti]

If you feel like there are too many people,,then kill yourself first,,,,instead of the helpless child. Or you can start with your own family first,,so the rest of us can have more room to live of course(nothing personal)

Then,,we can kill the elderly,,they take up to much space too,,not to mention the costs of caring for them.


Then,,we can get gov funding for vets,,to suck some of the kittens out of everyones pregnat cat,,so there wont be too many kittens running around,,,we can have a limit of say,,two kittens per cat.

And then we will do the same for dogs,,
Why should I kill myself? I am not going out of my way to have litters.
I didn't create the litter with artificial help.

As for my family, I already lost and buried a child. That enough for you?

[Raxeph]

Did you read the article about her using IVF every single time to have six kids with no other parent involved, no means of supporting them and then to have EIGHT more? That she's been "addicted" to children since teenagerhood, and has been obsessed with having them? That cannot be a healthy environment for these poor kids to grow up in. Not to mention that Grandma told the media she was leaving as soon as "Mom" gets home from the hospital. Good luck, "Mom".

I don't care what anyone says - merely popping out a whelp doesn't make you a mother. This isn't a mother we're talking about here - it's a baby-making 'monster'.

Those poor kids. The previous ones and the current ones. They're the real "winners" in all of this. They're the ones who are going to suffer.

"Women" on government welfare assistance with no partner to help should just NOT be making tons of babies. One child? Two children? These things happen. Mistakes happen. But intentionally having IVF treatments and implanting that many embryos, with NOBODY to help support or care for these babies... it's tantamount to abuse. She's clearly delusional.

I agree! It's monstrous! :flamer: Those poor children... I wouldn't be surprised if some of them got put up for adoption. Did she even think of actually looking after the children? Or was spawning all that was on her mind? She's a human, not just an animal, and she should act like it! :bastard:

You know, there's a saying I've heard of which says "Any man can be a father, but it takes someone special, to be a dad." I think this applies here too, only with:

"Any woman can be a mother, but it takes someone special, to be a mom."


Edit: Apologies for being so heated, but the welfare of children is a sore point for me.

[Artiste-LiLi]

Why should I kill myself? I am not going out of my way to have litters.
I didn't create the litter with artificial help.

As for my family, I already lost and buried a child. That enough for you?

As have I Shanti.....a loooonnnnng time ago. My child would have been 19 the end of June through mid-July of this year. I never wanted children, I never had children....but I was pregnant once (birth control pill failure) and I would have kept my child.. but due to serious medical complications I had to end that pregnancy.

I am sorry for your loss.

[Purrcatnip]

Here is IMHO a GREAT article about ethics and this womens choice to have eight babies...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/04/murray.octuplets/index.html

[wrenjamin]

If you feel like there are too many people,,then kill yourself first,,,,instead of the helpless child. Or you can start with your own family first,,so the rest of us can have more room to live of course(nothing personal)

Then,,we can kill the elderly,,they take up to much space too,,not to mention the costs of caring for them.


Then,,we can get gov funding for vets,,to suck some of the kittens out of everyones pregnat cat,,so there wont be too many kittens running around,,,we can have a limit of say,,two kittens per cat.

And then we will do the same for dogs,,

Sorry, but this rubbed me the wrong way. We're talking about a woman who had IVF (in what context we don't know), and would up preggers with 7 babies that she knew of. She chose not to selectively reduce, as is her choice, but to have that many implanted, KNOWING she would not reduce, is irresponsible. Especially given the fact she has obviously had numerous successful pregnancies in the past! This is just MHO.

However, I don't see how any posts warranted the suggestion that we kill anyone's family, or that they kill themselves.

[memnoch]

I wish nothing but the worst for this mother. I hope the children are taken and given to a good home. I mean, damn, this woman has 6 children she can't afford, goes to a fertility clinic where they put 4-8X the recommended amount of fertilized eggs in her...she is a perfect example of why some people should not be able to procreate.

[SphinYote]

I wish nothing but the worst for this mother. I hope the children are taken and given to a good home. I mean, damn, this woman has 6 children she can't afford, goes to a fertility clinic where they put 4-8X the recommended amount of fertilized eggs in her...she is a perfect example of why some people should not be able to procreate.

Yup. I don't wish the worst for her, but therapy for her and a new home for the children at least. And that it be guaranteed that she can never have kids again.

Tell you what everyone. How about I get pregnant, have 8 kids, and then foist them all off onto you guys, for the hell of it.

That is essentially what this girl did. Her MOTHER is taking care of the other 6 kids, not the girl.The mom doesn't agree with her daughter's choice.

From what I've read, this girl has a problem akin to people who adopt too many pets. If these were dogs instead of children, they'd probably be taken away. I know around here they would be, regardless of how well cared for they were, unless the facilities were registered as a rescue or something.

The kids are being cared for by not their mother, but their grandmother, and the state. We're already paying for her kids. And I'm NOT saying that the children should be denied care. But this woman should have had therapy years ago since she can't seem to understand the concept of responsibility.

Ironic that we have laws that protect animals from hoarders (when they're enforced), but no equivalent laws for children.

Yote

[Morgane]

Has there been any confirmation that she is on state assistance? (I might have overlooked it, and certainly thought as much, but I would really like to know for sure...)

Several years ago, I had a dear friend who wanted a child more than anyone I've ever known. (This was in the US.) She never spent one day on welfare, and worked quite hard at a job she detested just so she would have health insurance. She had a husband, a home, and all the love in the world to offer, and all she wanted was one child.

After two years of trying to get pregnant, she underwent testing to find out why she was unable to get pregnant. Her health insurance wouldn't cover the testing, nor would it cover the artificial insemenation that followed. She and her husband were financially devastated by this, and were never successful in conceiving a child, but had to give up due to a depleted bank account. (Once diagnosed with infertility issues, health insurance that covered infertility was unaffordable to them.)

Meanwhile, this same friend and I worked together in an urology practice for years, watching a parade of infertility patients and men wanting vasectomy reversals come through the office...State assistance was free of charge to them, and so was infertility treatments...

I've never quite grasped that.

Anyone (with or without children) can fall on hard times and need help, but there are far too many people turning "welfare" into a career opportunity...

So, yes, if American's tax dollars are paying for this, the outrage that people are showing is fully warranted. We talk about health care reform - this would be a good place to start...

If this is not the case, then it's none of my business. I'm not in the least bit convinced that she's mentally competent to raise them, but as long as she can afford to take total care of them and they are not a burden to society, it was her choice.

I would not do what she did, under any circumstances.

I only had two children, because I could not afford more, and I wanted to make sure I could financially care for the ones that I had. One has already graduated college, and one is over halfway through...My job is almost done financially! :uhhuhuh:

[memnoch]

Has there been any confirmation that she is on state assistance? (I might have overlooked it, and certainly thought as much, but I would really like to know for sure...)

Several years ago, I had a dear friend who wanted a child more than anyone I've ever known. (This was in the US.) She never spent one day on welfare, and worked quite hard at a job she detested just so she would have health insurance. She had a husband, a home, and all the love in the world to offer, and all she wanted was one child.

After two years of trying to get pregnant, she underwent testing to find out why she was unable to get pregnant. Her health insurance wouldn't cover the testing, nor would it cover the artificial insemenation that followed. She and her husband were financially devastated by this, and were never successful in conceiving a child, but had to give up due to a depleted bank account. (Once diagnosed with infertility issues, health insurance that covered infertility was unaffordable to them.)

Meanwhile, this same friend and I worked together in an urology practice for years, watching a parade of infertility patients and men wanting vasectomy reversals come through the office...State assistance was free of charge to them, and so was infertility treatments...

I've never quite grasped that.

Anyone (with or without children) can fall on hard times and need help, but there are far too many people turning "welfare" into a career opportunity...

So, yes, if American's tax dollars are paying for this, the outrage that people are showing is fully warranted. We talk about health care reform - this would be a good place to start...

If this is not the case, then it's none of my business. I'm not in the least bit convinced that she's mentally competent to raise them, but as long as she can afford to take total care of them and they are not a burden to society, it was her choice.

I would not do what she did, under any circumstances.

I only had two children, because I could not afford more, and I wanted to make sure I could financially care for the ones that I had. One has already graduated college, and one is over halfway through...My job is almost done financially! :uhhuhuh:

Here is her job


Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” living off education grants and parental money, broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.

A more detailed account is here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

[Morgane]

Thank you...I hadn't read that one!

Does anyone know what a "nappy sponsorship" is?

[NefertSatSekhmet]

Thank you...I hadn't read that one!

Does anyone know what a "nappy sponsorship" is?

Nappy is the British word for diapers. So I guess a sponsorship would mean the babies will be endorsing a particular brand of diapers in order to get free ones.

[Morgane]

Aaaahhhh...

Well, she's certainly going to need some diapers!

[Kraheera]

She needs a new brain, that's what she needs. You know, just once, I would like to see foreigners come here to America to adopt these kids. :(

[Artiste-LiLi]

Tell you what everyone. How about I get pregnant, have 8 kids, and then foist them all off onto you guys, for the hell of it.
Yote

Uhhhhh.....no thanks? lol!
I never had children..never wanted any and don't want any now.
1. I'm too old for that "silliness" and hard work
2. I'm too cranky
3. I don't have the finances to raise and properly care for a child.

[spiral]

*shakes head*

I feel sorry for the children... I know some wonderful single mums, but I don't see how even the best of them would cope with 14 children under 8 years old, 8 of whom are newborns, with what sounds like an unsupportive grandmother. Aside from financial concerns, how much individual attention and emotional support are these kids going to get? Particularly if mum is off working on her TV career...

If she has psychological issues to do with motherhood, then I'm sorry for her. But if you choose to be a mother, your children's welfare should come first. And I don't see that happening here. I hope that amid all these offers of interviews and sponserships, someone gets her some counselling.

[Phoenix Blue]

If you feel like there are too many people,,then kill yourself first,,,,
Statements such as this are highly disrespectful and will not be tolerated. I suggest you not make any further "suggestions" of this nature in the future.

[memnoch]

*shakes head*

I feel sorry for the children... I know some wonderful single mums, but I don't see how even the best of them would cope with 14 children under 8 years old, 8 of whom are newborns, with what sounds like an unsupportive grandmother. Aside from financial concerns, how much individual attention and emotional support are these kids going to get? Particularly if mum is off working on her TV career...

If she has psychological issues to do with motherhood, then I'm sorry for her. But if you choose to be a mother, your children's welfare should come first. And I don't see that happening here. I hope that amid all these offers of interviews and sponserships, someone gets her some counselling.

Unsupportive grandmother? The woman bought a house for her daughter and her kids. This woman is taking care of the 6 kids while her daughter is in the hospital...she just thinks it is stupid for her daughter to have 8 more kids, as does anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

As for her "TV career", I hope it fails, people should not be rewarded for stupidity.

[WitchJezebel]

Uhhhhh.....no thanks? lol!
I never had children..never wanted any and don't want any now.
1. I'm too old for that "silliness" and hard work
2. I'm too cranky
3. I don't have the finances to raise and properly care for a child.


Jeebus, I think we're twins! :)

[SphinYote]

Unsupportive grandmother? The woman bought a house for her daughter and her kids. This woman is taking care of the 6 kids while her daughter is in the hospital...she just thinks it is stupid for her daughter to have 8 more kids, as does anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

As for her "TV career", I hope it fails, people should not be rewarded for stupidity.

Yes.


The grandmother has bent over completely backwards to take care of her daughter's children. She gave up her life to become a slave for her daughter's fetish.

Spiral, if you consider slavery to be unsupportive, I have to wonder what you consider to BE supportive.

I'll be bowing out of this thread now...thaqt just made me unbelievably angry that anyone could DARE to say that the grandmother is unsupportive, If anything, the poor woman is over supportive, and her daughter has destroyed any chance she has at a normal life. Just because she's unhappy with her daughter (And she has EVERY right to be so) does NOT mean she's unsupportive.

If she's unsupportive, maybe YOU should take her place.

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[spiral]

Yes.


The grandmother has bent over completely backwards to take care of her daughter's children. She gave up her life to become a slave for her daughter's fetish.

Spiral, if you consider slavery to be unsupportive, I have to wonder what you consider to BE supportive.

I'll be bowing out of this thread now...thaqt just made me unbelievably angry that anyone could DARE to say that the grandmother is unsupportive, If anything, the poor woman is over supportive, and her daughter has destroyed any chance she has at a normal life. Just because she's unhappy with her daughter (And she has EVERY right to be so) does NOT mean she's unsupportive.

If she's unsupportive, maybe YOU should take her place.

Yote


I'm sorry you're angry. I would never have said she was unsupportive if I'd realised she'd done so much. I'd read an article which said the grandmother had told the mother not to come home and suggested that she'd kicked them all out. Obviously it was inaccurate.

:ack: I'm sorry, I don't know what else to say. I'm really upset that I came across this way.

[SphinYote]

I'm sorry you're angry. I would never have said she was unsupportive if I'd realised she'd done so much. I'd read an article which said the grandmother had told the mother not to come home and suggested that she'd kicked them all out. Obviously it was inaccurate.

:ack: I'm sorry, I don't know what else to say. I'm really upset that I came across this way.

OK, sorry I snapped. There seem to be a lot of different articles out, and it might well be that the grandmother got fed up. That's one I hadn't seen yet....

Sorry I lashed out at you, it's just that this entire situation is one that...lets just say that obviously from my past posts I'm not thrilled with this woman as an example of the human race....

:hugz: I'm in a bitchy mood today.

[Morgane]

:hugz: I'm in a bitchy mood today.

Me, too...And I'm not very tolerant, I think...

But isn't it nice just to be able to say it? :boing:

[Raxeph]

More news here:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/741745/octuplets-mother-had-lonely-childhood


The mother-of-six who gave birth to octuplets in California last week has broken her silence, saying she wanted a "huge family" to make up for a lonely childhood.

Nadya Suleman, 33, who now has 14 children, told NBC News that being an only child had left her yearning for human and family connections she felt had been lacking while growing up.


"That was always a dream of mine, to have a large family, a huge family, and - I just longed for certain connections and attachments with another person that I - I really lacked, I believe, growing up," Suleman said in excerpts from the interview released by NBC, ahead of Friday's broadcast.


The Medical Board of California confirmed on Thursday it had begun an investigation into the births "to see if we can substantiate a violation of the standard of care."
...
Suleman told NBC her childhood left her feeling a lack of "self and identity."


"I didn't feel as though, when I was a child, I had much control of my environment. I felt powerless. And that gave me a sense of predictability," she said.


"Reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional. It was pretty - pretty dysfunctional, and whose isn't?"


That huge a family to make up for her lonely childhood? :hrmm:

[NefertSatSekhmet]

I grew up an only child, and it did make me determined to have more than one baby. BUT 14?!? I am quite content with the 3 I have now, thank you. This whole spectacle is just mind-boggling.

[spiral]

OK, sorry I snapped. There seem to be a lot of different articles out, and it might well be that the grandmother got fed up. That's one I hadn't seen yet....

Sorry I lashed out at you, it's just that this entire situation is one that...lets just say that obviously from my past posts I'm not thrilled with this woman as an example of the human race....

:hugz: I'm in a bitchy mood today.

That's ok :) Good reminder not to believe everything I hear in the news, lol.

[Morgane]

And more...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090205/D965NJOO0.html

How can you pop out kids like that when you're on disability for a back injury? ($165,000 in 6 years...)

It's been awhile since I've been pregnant, but is it possible that her back hurt BECAUSE she was pregnant non stop rather than a work injury???

[Artiste-LiLi]

Jeebus, I think we're twins! :)
We do seem to be quite alike at times don't we????? :)

[Morgane]

Okay, I just did the math...

This woman was able to collect almost as much in disability per year ($27,500) as I make by working 40+ hours per week.

I'm dumbfounded...

The US healthcare reform should start with this woman and her children.

[Artiste-LiLi]

And more...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090205/D965NJOO0.html

How can you pop out kids like that when you're on disability for a back injury? ($165,000 in 6 years...)

It's been awhile since I've been pregnant, but is it possible that her back hurt BECAUSE she was pregnant non stop rather than a work injury???

How does one "make" $165,000 in 6 years on disability!? That's like 27,500ish a year(about $2,300 a month). A friend of mine is disabled and he gets a little over $1000 a month and then the government takes back almost $100 of that each month for his Medicare ins. coverage. He had an excellent job with GOOD pay for years and he gets barely a pittance(sp).

Now I know that with 6 kids to care for and feed $2300 a month is nothing....but still....on disability? $2300 a month?

[evergreen]

That huge a family to make up for her lonely childhood? :hrmm:

I don't think children should be used to make up for anything! Therapists are here for a reason.

[Sionnach le Fey]

I'd never have 8 since its highly unlikely it was a natural happening.
I am not into the fertility drugs and women having litters.
Humans are not meant to have litters of children.

Pet peeve of mine..no litters for humans. The population is strained enough world wide.

*nods*

[Lunacie]

More news here:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/741745/octuplets-mother-had-lonely-childhood



That huge a family to make up for her lonely childhood? :hrmm:

Her parents were so crappy and dysfunctional that she depends on them to help raise her own children? What a load of horse apples!

[Lunacie]

I'm sorry you're angry. I would never have said she was unsupportive if I'd realised she'd done so much. I'd read an article which said the grandmother had told the mother not to come home and suggested that she'd kicked them all out. Obviously it was inaccurate.

:ack: I'm sorry, I don't know what else to say. I'm really upset that I came across this way.

From what I've been reading, the grandmother and the mother have been at loggerheads, especially over this last pregnancy and the mother's refusal to reduce the number of fetuses. I think the grandmother tried to throw the mother out, but ended up leaving the home herself. At which point apparently the mother attacked the grandmother saying that the reason she wants so many children is because her mother was so terrible. Yeah right.

[wolf]

Borderline (http://www.borderlinepersonalitytoday.com/main/dsmiv.htm)

[Morgane]

If she was working for the "mental health" facility mentioned in that last link when she injured her back, she was likely drawing worker's comp and possibly some sort of long term disability provided through her employment rather than drawing disability off of SSI.

Kind of sounds like she may have been a patient rather than an employee, though!

[Cindlady2]

I had 5 kids.... I didn't mean to have that many but birth control doesn't always work. I can not see how anyone in this day and age could want to have more than say... 3. I understand the "big family" concept.... my first husband came from family of 8 kids and had a cousin who had 17! (3 sets of twins) Still too many!
I don't see how good or even proper care can be given to so many, so close together. And the fact that she has no husband or good means of income dose not help. I do feel she must have a psychological issue.

[Shanti]

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/octuplets.mom/index.html) to interview article with the mom.

IMO, she is a piece of work.

I would like to know who paid her and her kids medical since she had and has no income. 14 planned babies with no source of income? Not!!!

[Morgane]

And yet another link...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090206/health/health_calif_octuplets_5

It seems she was depressed because her childhood was so "dysfunctional", so she had 14 kids and is allowing her parents (of her dysfunctional childhood) to help raise them...

[Cunae]

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/octuplets.mom/index.html) to interview article with the mom.

IMO, she is a piece of work.

I would like to know who paid her and her kids medical since she had and has no income. 14 planned babies with no source of income? Not!!!


Oh, she has a source of income... totally exploiting the multiple births. At least until the story came out that she's a wack job. People are pissed off now. But how much you want to bet they end up crawling around on Oprah's set anyway with people oooohing and aaaahing and forgiving her?

[Morgane]

She will be on the Today show Monday, and on Dateline at some point.

[wolf]

I hope neither program is giving her financial compensation, although even if it's free publicity, that's bad enough.

[DoktorSick]

This is F 'd up on so many levels. Number one she already has 6 kids why in the world is she having 8 more.She's unemployed and lives with her parents.WTF!!! What kind of planning went into raising 14 kids. And what's worst is I just read she said in a interview "that when she gets down with schooling she'll be able to afford the kids". What? how is she going to be able to go school and take care of 14 kids.
The doctor who went along with this she get into trouble for sure.
This is crazy,I'm waiting on the new reality show who can have the most babies at one time.

[MammaStar]

I'm so late in the game regarding this thread, but what really bugs me, is that people like her just pop babies out and there are others out there, who truly want a child and can't. It isn't fair.

[ignescentphoenix]

She doesn't work, she collects disability, she has to rely on her "horrible" parents to help support her kids, and she did this so she could feel a "connection" with someone. Her reasons for giving birth are quite similar to my mom's, but at least mama-dukes stopped at three.

This woman should have her kids taken away and put into homes with sane people. I think she should have been denied the IVF treatment just because she doesn't have the money to support the kids she does have. According to wiki, this woman owed money to her parents and it was partially her fault that her parents lost thier house. Oh, but her parents are sooo bad.

Of course, the good american tax-payers are going to foot the bill. Unless the media outlets come through. Is a mental evaluation necessary before you get IVF treatment? This woman should be sterilized and so should the doctor that did this.

Oh, but gay people are bad role-models for kids.:rolleyes:

[Autumn]

Supposedly the IVF clinic is now under investigation by the state.

Why'd it take THIS long?

[Artiste-LiLi]

Is a mental evaluation necessary before you get IVF treatment?

According to standards, providing the clinic/program is following the standards, yes...all IVF patients are supposed to undergo mental eval.



Oh, but gay people are bad role-models for kids.:rolleyes:

Yeah, that's what some would like us to believe...ain't that a pisser? I tell ya, I can think of no better role models than my brother and his SO..they would be AWESOME daddies.