Children caught roasting puppies

[Raxeph]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/741086/boys-caught-roasting-puppies


A gang of youths seized the seven-week-old puppies last Friday and began to slowly roast the brother-and-sister pair over a bonfire.


The pups struggled to escape their captors and yelped in distress as their fur began to burn, British newspaper the Daily Mail reports.


The horrifying cruelty, which unfolded on a canal bank in Greater Manchester, northwest England, came to an end only when passerby Melanie Johnson noticed the commotion, ran over and ordered the youths to release the puppies.


She said the youths were aged in their early teens but that some were as young as ten.


"I was ripping mad and still am to think that anyone — least of all children — could do this," Ms Johnson was quoted as saying.


"If I hadn't turned up, I think they would have burned the dogs alive."
...
A RSCPA shelter manager said the cross-breed pups still smelled of smoke when they arrived — the fur on one was singed and the other had a small hernia — but that they generally were in good health.


Little hoodlums. :mad:

[BlueEyedWolf]

That is really sad. Where is thier concience?

[Caitlin.ann]

Oh my goodness thank gods the dogs are okay! On the other hand, slaughter those vermin..kids.

[Philosophia]

I'm extremely wary of anything given by the Daily Mail as factual, especially a sensationalist story like this. I'm not doubting that these things happen but I'm skeptical about this one.

[Sequoia]

I'm extremely wary of anything given by the Daily Mail as factual, especially a sensationalist story like this. I'm not doubting that these things happen but I'm skeptical about this one.

Yeah, I hear you.

Where's that "Daily Mail" smilie when you need it?

[Cloaked Raven]

If this is true.... Those kids should be punished the same way they tried to kill those poor puppies!!! :grrrrr: Let them see how they like it!

Thank the stars the puppies are safe, with loving people to help them.

[Infinite Grey]

Yeah, I hear you.

Where's that "Daily Mail" smilie when you need it?

Sorry I lost it, I'll have to make another one.

[Infinite Grey]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5197/dailymailxy4.gif


There you go... MoL or GEBS, feel free to add it to the list if you so wish, it is royalty free :thumbsup:

[memnoch]

aparently they haven't seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57KDDKbfhmI

[Æon Flux]

I'm extremely wary of anything given by the Daily Mail as factual, especially a sensationalist story like this. I'm not doubting that these things happen but I'm skeptical about this one.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true though. I've seen kids that age trying to put fire crackers in kittens ear and light them.
Young people in their early teens are sometimes the cruelest creatures known to humans.
I have nothing but dislike for most of them, that age does horrible things to kids with bad quality upbringing. (one of my down falls, but it's first hand experience in more then one country.)

[Fluoxetine]

Children putting firecrackers in cats ears? Maybe they should see this image before playing with low grade explosives...

Image could be real but it is for the purpose of educating people who read this thread

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/alienspider/05nov28-firecracker-hand.jpg

Maybe then they will learn not to play with things that are not meant to be played with.

As for the kids? See how they feel if it was done to them, or to their brother/sister and see if they can stop it too.

[Nicholas]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5197/dailymailxy4.gif


There you go... MoL or GEBS, feel free to add it to the list if you so wish, it is royalty free :thumbsup:

We need one for "The Sun" as well.

[Fluoxetine]

We need one for "The Sun" as well.


Better still put on the smiley hyperbole warning.

[Shanti]

I love the colors people show with these sensational stories, fake or otherwise. That eye for an eye thing.

If you want to teach kids that are cruel to animals anything, have them care for ones that have been victimized. Let them spend a few years seeing first hand and attending animals that have come from dire straights.
If they cant be taught compassion though experience, they wont learn it by roasting them either. They will only have another excuse to hate.

And as for this article and its source...http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5197/dailymailxy4.gif

I hate rags

Try again.

[Terra Mater]

If this is true.... Those kids should be punished the same way they tried to kill those poor puppies!!! :grrrrr: Let them see how they like it!

Thank the stars the puppies are safe, with loving people to help them.

Punishing animal abuse with child abuse? Have you lost it completely?

[Clair de la Lune]

I can't even tell you how mad and sick that makes me!!! Especially when it's done to something as defenseless as that!! I think if (mainly adult) people were punished in the same manner in which they did the crimes...there would be a LOT less crimes...especially violent ones on this earth.

Just my opinion.

I HATE especially seeing animals, babies, small children, the disabled, the elderly, and ANY disadvantaged individual get abused in any way or taken advantage of...especially if they don't have the means to defend themselves on equal grounds as their tormentor!

Apparently these teens and kids have needed some help for a while for it to get to this point and it has gone ignored in the home and at school for it to reach this crescendo. People usually abuse animals (maybe not to this extent) before they feel comfortable doing it to other people. I hope these kids get some serious help and fast...maybe even get taken out of their homes if that is what it takes. Sometimes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and they can be learned abusive behaviors...but they don't have to take it out on someone else if they are having the crap beat out of them at home every night. There is a better way to deal. The cycle of abuse CAN be broken if someone wants it to be.

[Anthony41671]

If true...emphasis on IF.

Those kids need more than just a slap on the wrist.

They certainly need more than just a few years in juvie! (Or the version from where they are from.)

They need to be monitored...that's just step one on a road to much, much worse in the future.

[Purrcatnip]

Honestly, these children need psychological evaluation.

Children don't torture animals for fun unless there is seriously something messed up in their head or their home.

They definitely need strict punishment.

[Iris]

I disagree with this.



Children don't torture animals for fun unless there is seriously something messed up in their head or their home.

I can't for the life of me understand why people have this misconception of children as paragons of innocence. Children are cruel and selfish. They're closer to the abyss of barbarity than most adults could ever be. They don't have the inhibitions of adults. They get an impulse, they act on said impulse. They experience the savage urge to inflict pain, to completely dominate another living creature...and they go for it.

Adults have just learned how to surpress their baser instincts better, or maybe find the moral argument outweighs whatever fun is to be had.

Children don't care about the moral argument. They are cruel and they have a morbid curiosity about pain and is effects on other creatures.

If there were no adults, the entire world would be like Lord of the Flies.

[princeether]

If kids are not taught right from wrong by their parents, they do sick things like this, I don't blame the kids, they are kids after all, I blame their shit parents.

[Carri]

I love the colors people show with these sensational stories, fake or otherwise. That eye for an eye thing.

If you want to teach kids that are cruel to animals anything, have them care for ones that have been victimized. Let them spend a few years seeing first hand and attending animals that have come from dire straights.
If they cant be taught compassion though experience, they wont learn it by roasting them either. They will only have another excuse to hate.

And as for this article and its source...http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5197/dailymailxy4.gif

I hate rags

Try again.
Much wisdom there Shanti!

[Philosophia]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true though. I've seen kids that age trying to put fire crackers in kittens ear and light them.
Young people in their early teens are sometimes the cruelest creatures known to humans.
I have nothing but dislike for most of them, that age does horrible things to kids with bad quality upbringing. (one of my down falls, but it's first hand experience in more then one country.)

I wouldn't be surprised either.

However, this is the Daily Mail and sensationalism and evoking emotions are what they are all about. Since nearly all of the evidence of this story comes from the Daily Mail (or has been leaked to it), I can't make a solid opinion on it. Plus, it comes from only one person who witnessed it (and I'm not counting the vets because they only saw the after effects).

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't know how well that would work. If children are willing to take puppies and slowly roast them to death I can't fathom what putting them near poor, defenseless, already abused animals would do other than put the animals at risk. I never thought of doing such barbaric acts as a kid, such thoughts would have horrified me.

[princeether]

I never thought of doing such barbaric acts as a kid, such thoughts would have horrified me.

Me either!! There has never been a time in my life when I would have abused an animal, my Mum always taught me and my sisters that all animals were to be loved, or at the very least, respected.

[Caitlin.ann]

Me either!! There has never been a time in my life when I would have abused an animal, my Mum always taught me and my sisters that all animals were to be loved, or at the very least, respected.

Agreed! I would have rather risked my safety to stop this kind of stuff when I was younger rather than actually do this myself! Hell I was five (or so) on vacation and saw a fisherman killing a crab on the beach, banging it over and over again on the sand. THAT horrified me to the point where I ran up to him screaming at him to stop..and that over a crab. Imagine how I would be seeing such abuse to puppies. So no I can't fathom and I don't understand such behavior.

[Purrcatnip]

I disagree with this.



I can't for the life of me understand why people have this misconception of children as paragons of innocence. Children are cruel and selfish. They're closer to the abyss of barbarity than most adults could ever be. They don't have the inhibitions of adults. They get an impulse, they act on said impulse. They experience the savage urge to inflict pain, to completely dominate another living creature...and they go for it.

Adults have just learned how to surpress their baser instincts better, or maybe find the moral argument outweighs whatever fun is to be had.

Children don't care about the moral argument. They are cruel and they have a morbid curiosity about pain and is effects on other creatures.

If there were no adults, the entire world would be like Lord of the Flies.


Well, thats why I said in the head or home. If there were no adults, I totally agree it would be like Lord of the Flies! However, if the child has a good home with parents that care and are raising them properly.. then they shouldn't do these acts. Clearly someone is either abusing them, ignoring them, or not teaching them morals(right from wrong) which would be a problem in the home.

[Philosophia]

I found this story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Puppies-RSPCA-Investigates-After-Kids-Beat-And-Tried-To-Roast-Puppies/Article/200902115216834?lpos=UK_News_Third_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region__3&lid=ARTICLE_15216834_Puppies%3A_RSPCA_Investigates_After_Kids_Beat_And_Tried_To_Roast_Puppies) about it but it's too similar to the Daily Mail one.

Here (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1094597_kids_try_to_burn_puppies_on_fire) is an article with a video but it only shows the puppies, where it supposedly happened and a vet assistant or volunteer.

[Iris]

Agreed! I would have rather risked my safety to stop this kind of stuff when I was younger rather than actually do this myself! Hell I was five (or so) on vacation and saw a fisherman killing a crab on the beach, banging it over and over again on the sand. THAT horrified me to the point where I ran up to him screaming at him to stop..and that over a crab. Imagine how I would be seeing such abuse to puppies. So no I can't fathom and I don't understand such behavior.

I can totally understand it.

Maybe I needs a straight-jacket _inabox_

[Caitlin.ann]

I can totally understand it.

Maybe I needs a straight-jacket _inabox_

What do you think, and lets for the sake of discussion say this story has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt as true, would bring kids (or anyone) to do such things? If you can understand it maybe you can provide a "why" for me as someone who just can't.

[Glowy]

Respect for life needs to be taught at home.

[Philosophia]

What do you think, and lets for the sake of discussion say this story has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt as true, would bring kids (or anyone) to do such things? If you can understand it maybe you can provide a "why" for me as someone who just can't.

For me, if the story is true, it's got everything to do with the sheep mentality. People, especially children, want to feel like they belong and will go along with anything if it makes them part of a gang. They want to prove themselves to make them look good.

[Caitlin.ann]

For me, if the story is true, it's got everything to do with the sheep mentality. People, especially children, want to feel like they belong and will go along with anything if it makes them part of a gang. They want to prove themselves to make them look good.

Maybe I'm the exception then? I never would have abused an animal just to fit in.

[Glowy]

Maybe I'm the exception then? I never would have abused an animal just to fit in.


Me neither. I abhore violence

[Philosophia]

Maybe I'm the exception then? I never would have abused an animal just to fit in.

If that's the case, I would be as well. I just know that groups like this usually cause violence due to an intense need to belong. However, the background of each child needs to be looked at. If they don't have a stable life, the likelihood of them having that need will be high, especially if their closer relationships are weak or based upon the dominant/submissive paradigm.

[Iris]

What do you think, and lets for the sake of discussion say this story has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt as true, would bring kids (or anyone) to do such things? If you can understand it maybe you can provide a "why" for me as someone who just can't.

The same reason people do crappy things to animals and other human beings all the time, all over the world. Because they can. Because they have the POWER to do so.

And there is no power quite like the power to inflict pain, suffering and death on creatures. The power of life and death makes you GOD to that person/animal at that time. And what is more intoxicating than that?

[Caitlin.ann]

The same reason people do crappy things to animals and other human beings all the time, all over the world. Because they can. Because they have the POWER to do so.

And there is no power quite like the power to inflict pain, suffering and death on creatures. The power of life and death makes you GOD to that person/animal at that time. And what is more intoxicating than that?

Oh I find power intoxicating myself, not enough to harm animals though..so like I said I just can't understand.

[princeether]

Maybe I'm the exception then? I never would have abused an animal just to fit in.

same here.

[Infinite Grey]

Ye ask and ye shall receive


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[memnoch]

I'm not sure about Brittish papers, but here is another source

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/05/sick-kids-of-10-roast-puppies-on-bonfire-115875-21098019/

and another
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4512954/Puppies-rescued-after-children-attempt-to-roast-them-on-bonfire.html

and sky news
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Puppies-RSPCA-Investigates-After-Kids-Beat-And-Tried-To-Roast-Puppies/Article/200902115216834?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_8&lid=ARTICLE_15216834_Puppies%3A_RSPCA_Investigates_After_Kids_Beat_And_Tried_To_Roast_Puppies

[Philosophia]

I'm not sure about Brittish papers, but here is another source

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/05/sick-kids-of-10-roast-puppies-on-bonfire-115875-21098019/

and another
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4512954/Puppies-rescued-after-children-attempt-to-roast-them-on-bonfire.html

and sky news
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Puppies-RSPCA-Investigates-After-Kids-Beat-And-Tried-To-Roast-Puppies/Article/200902115216834?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_8&lid=ARTICLE_15216834_Puppies%3A_RSPCA_Investigates_After_Kids_Beat_And_Tried_To_Roast_Puppies

Sky news, I've already shown but they're basically the same as the Daily Mail one (which is probably where they got it from).

[Calliope]

Punishing animal abuse with child abuse? Have you lost it completely?

Honestly, I can sort of agree. The more I work with humans, the more love I have for the fur babies. Animals act and react on instinct. Humans are the only mammals on Earth with cognitive ability. If this is true and they were teenagers, then their brains have developed enough to discern between right and wrong. If the parents didn't ingrain this distinction for them, then shame on the parents, but if the parents did their jobs and the kids did this just for kicks, then they need their a**es whooped.

There are some things that should go untouched; animals, the elderly, and children are just some of those. I say lock 'em away for a bit and make their community service have to deal with animals that have been harmed and neglected.

People like this make me sick.

[iceskater12]

That is really sad. Where is thier concience?

Where are their parents?

Poor puppies, glad their okay.