School forces 12 year old to take pregnancy test.

[HetHert]

This infuriates me. Schools have NO right to administer any sort of medical exams without parental approval.

I can't believe that they did this completely off the basis of a rumor. They didn't even send a note home to the mother and father. They just administered the test like they had the authority to do so. IT'S RIDICULOUS! Grrr snort snort.

http://www.kcra.com/news/18677330/detail.html

[mephistopheles]

:foh:

[Anthony41671]

I agree that this is a really bad thing on the school's part...however if Nevada has some sort of "planned parent hood" laws, maybe that's why they didn't notify the parents.

However, I'm guessing since the school is now in "damage control" mode, they know they were way, way out of line all the way around.

[WitchJezebel]

Anthony this is in California not Nevada.

If the school had called me and said they heard my daughter was pregnant and that I should investigate then I'd have given her the test myself. But if what the girl says is true and they forced her to take the test then I'd probably pop a gasket. No, I'd definitely pop a gasket.

[Anthony41671]

[quote=WitchJezebel;3864494]Anthony this is in California not Nevada.
quote]

Oops...my bad...saw "Nevada City" and my brain went into stupid mode.

Sorry!

[Flux]

Any way you slice it, the school was WAY out of line.

[Anthony41671]

Any way you slice it, the school was WAY out of line.

Very true...

[Cloaked Raven]

That poor girl... All because of one rumor. :geez:

[Xander67]

How EMBARRASING and sick!

The parents should sue the crap out of the school system! Seriously,

[Earthy]

That is way out of order.If that had been my child I would have been furious.

[Toby Stimpson]

and this is why school systems are flawed and should be changed. Administrators are by far some of the worse individuals I have ever met, not to say all admins from school boards are, but there seems to be a certain incompetency that becomes apparent when schools are involved.

Not only is this case an example of a school taking away rights, but it is a classic example of how a school system can exercise social power and control over younger children. If this had been a 22 year old woman, I think the outcome would have been a lot different.

[Xander67]

and this is why school systems are flawed and should be changed. Administrators are by far some of the worse individuals I have ever met, not to say all admins from school boards are, but there seems to be a certain incompetency that becomes apparent when schools are involved.

Not only is this case an example of a school taking away rights, but it is a classic example of how a school system can exercise social power and control over younger children. If this had been a 22 year old woman, I think the outcome would have been a lot different.

True, a 22 year old woman would have more rights actually and the school wouldnt be able to do that crap... especially over a RUMOR

[Anthony41671]

Even if she had been pregnant...what business does the school system have in it? None...unless maybe they had proof that the conception happened on school property, even then...tough!

It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

[Kraheera]

Schools have always been known for trying to control their students lives. Inside and outside of the school environment. Recently (as in the last year) schools have been trying to get students in trouble for having myspace pages. Or for doing certain activities outside of school.

People have gotten in trouble for doing things off school property AFTER school hours.

The problem comes from the fact that courts have repeatedly said that schools take the place of parents during the school day... which creates a large grey murky area when it comes to student rights.

But, you guys should be happy to know that the school IS being sued by the parents. Read that this morning.

[Nicholas]

I suggest lawsuit. It's absolutely beyond there legal obligations for any student.

[wrenjamin]

and this is why school systems are flawed and should be changed. Administrators are by far some of the worse individuals I have ever met, not to say all admins from school boards are, but there seems to be a certain incompetency that becomes apparent when schools are involved.


I don't think this is fair. I happen to know MANY school administrators that are not only good people, but are also good at their job. While you say "not all admins are..." you then go on to say that there is a certain incompetency? I think that's unfair. It's a generalization about a group of people.


Schools have always been known for trying to control their students lives. Inside and outside of the school environment. Recently (as in the last year) schools have been trying to get students in trouble for having myspace pages. Or for doing certain activities outside of school.

People have gotten in trouble for doing things off school property AFTER school hours.

The problem comes from the fact that courts have repeatedly said that schools take the place of parents during the school day... which creates a large grey murky area when it comes to student rights.


Of course schools control what students do while at school. That's their job! Once a student is at school they become the responsibility of their educators and the educators in turn do all they can to ensure their students are safe and well cared for. They HAVE to monitor everything at school - otherwise they could be in a ton of trouble.

In terms of reacting to behavior that happens out of school - why should they not? If a student is dealing drugs, why should the school not respond to this for the safety of everyone else? Same with weapons, fighting, anti-defamation, etc. Education in this country is compulsory, but that doesn't mean that the schools have to sacrifice the safety and well being of themselves and the other students to ensure that a rule breaker gets to have the same rights as someone who acts in a responsible manner.

And that being said, it takes a LOT for a student to actually be expelled.

Courts have given to the schools for good reason. How could a teacher educate if she had to follow different instructions for every student? What about safety? The list goes on. If parents do not like the way their children are treated in a public school, they have other options (homeschooling, private school, etc).

This is not to say that I condone the behavior in this newsstory. It is utterly irresponsible and disgusting. That administrator should be ashamed, reprimanded and suspended without pay while the case is reviewed. What does this teach our students? That we pay attention to rumors? That it's ok to believe someone over another? Should the school have spoken with both students in a mediation situation? Yes. Should they have contacted the parents if they felt there was validity to the rumor? Yes. What they did was wrong.

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

That is absolutely ridiculous! I hope the parents are able to win their lawsuit. Poor girl, she was humiliated in front of everyone! Stupid school!

[Purrcatnip]

I agree that this is a really bad thing on the school's part...however if Nevada has some sort of "planned parent hood" laws, maybe that's why they didn't notify the parents.

However, I'm guessing since the school is now in "damage control" mode, they know they were way, way out of line all the way around.

Actually Planned parenthood is all about giving rights back to individuals. Which is why they are for allowing teenagers to get condoms/bc if they ask for it, and why teenagers should be allowed to get pregnancy tests if they ask for it without fearing repercussions from their parents.. They would actually protect a student against what the school did, seeing as how the school was trying to force control over the students right. I just wanted to correct that.

On the second note, definitely she should file a lawsuit.What did the school think they could do if she had been pregnant? Its ridiculous. I think schools prey way too much on the naivity of their students. Had I been that student, I would have demanded that my body and my sexual decisions are none of their business and to go F' themselves.

Hmm..just noticed that girl was 12 years old.. which makes it even more of a screwed up situation.. If your under 16, parent should be notified of any concerns. The school had no right even saying anything to the girl.

[HetHert]

How EMBARRASING and sick!

The parents should sue the crap out of the school system! Seriously,

I agree that there needs to be punishment but I don't support it being through a monetary compensation for a couple reasons. First, it hurts the school and the rest of the community when the district has to pay out and that doesn't do anyone any good. Second, it breeds the notion that all things can be fixed with $$ and that's not the correct message IMO. I think in this case I would sue for a couple jobs. First the Superintendent would need to go, and then every person in line there after that was involved in making the decision to force this girl to take a pregnancy test. I would also go for some discipline against any teacher or students that felt the need to spread the rumor.

But that's just me.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Not directed at you , Kraheera...

Just using your quote...

Actually , when I went to high school...

No , this was not the case...we were given huge amounts of
freedom...I went to the first modular scheduling school in the
U.S. , where we scheduled our day of classes , from a list of
possible times...

We could come and go off campus...

Wear pretty much what we wanted...very loose dress code...

Never searched for drugs , or weapons...

Never controlled as far as medications...

After school...are you kidding ?

And we partied , and made love , in the park , next to the school ,
even during school hours , between our scheduled classes...

We ruled the school...not the school ruling us...

But then...this was the late 60's , and 70's , California style...

Ever watch 70's show ?

Not far off from reality , on certain levels...just we were wilder !

Now , as far as Nevada City , about 5 hrs from me ?

Small town in mountains...used to be pretty hip and wild...

Now...more upper crust , conservatives moved in...

With some good old boy mentality thrown in...:uhhuhuh:

Not surprised...





Schools have always been known for trying to control their students lives. Inside and outside of the school environment.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

QFT...:thumbsup:



I agree that there needs to be punishment but I don't support it being through a monetary compensation for a couple reasons. First, it hurts the school and the rest of the community when the district has to pay out and that doesn't do anyone any good. Second, it breeds the notion that all things can be fixed with $$ and that's not the correct message IMO. I think in this case I would sue for a couple jobs. First the Superintendent would need to go, and then every person in line there after that was involved in making the decision to force this girl to take a pregnancy test. I would also go for some discipline against any teacher or students that felt the need to spread the rumor.

[Kraheera]

Of course schools control what students do while at school. That's their job! Once a student is at school they become the responsibility of their educators and the educators in turn do all they can to ensure their students are safe and well cared for. They HAVE to monitor everything at school - otherwise they could be in a ton of trouble.

In terms of reacting to behavior that happens out of school - why should they not? If a student is dealing drugs, why should the school not respond to this for the safety of everyone else? Same with weapons, fighting, anti-defamation, etc. Education in this country is compulsory, but that doesn't mean that the schools have to sacrifice the safety and well being of themselves and the other students to ensure that a rule breaker gets to have the same rights as someone who acts in a responsible manner.

Excuse me? This is where we run into issues, also known as Double Jeopardy. If a child is dealing drugs, and the school knows, they should tell the cops. But they cannot LEGALLY punish a student for dealing drugs outside of school grounds. If you believe a student is dealing in dangerous behaviors outside of school, then you report it to the police and parents.

You do not punish them for going on Myspace. You do not punish them for getting on Facebook. You do not regulate the behavior of a student outside of school. It's wrong, and it isn't your place to do so.

That's like saying that once a student is in school, they have no rights, and that is simply not true. While schools can (and do) ignore many of those rights they are supposed to have, they should not be doing so.

It takes students with guts and gumption to stand up and say they are wrong, and those students are often beaten back into the mold. My administrators were all power hungry perverts. And I am not joking. We had three principals in a single decade get accused of sexual harassment. We had multiple teachers that were accused of improper relations. And all of them had the attitude of "I am the adult, you are the student. My word is law and I can make your life hell."

I DETEST public schools, precisely because someone is more likely to believe the word of the principal or teacher than the student. Because they do not think that it is worth the fight to change the prevaling attitudes that these old farts have.

It is THAT attitude that allowed that teacher to think he could get away with this pregnancy test, and it is THAT attitude that is making the school say that the girl had it coming to her.

[Autumn]

Everybody is saying "Bad school" when in reality it's bad guidance counselor and bad nurse, the counselor was an idiot and the nurse should have asked more questions. The school might have circled the wagons but that doesn't mean these individuals are not in the soup.

[Kraheera]

Everybody is saying "Bad school" when in reality it's bad guidance counselor and bad nurse, the counselor was an idiot and the nurse should have asked more questions. The school might have circled the wagons but that doesn't mean these individuals are not in the soup.


I am saying "bad school" because there is no way the principal, teachers, etc... did not know this was going on. There's just no way.

Also, the superintendant said that the lawsuit has no credible claims against the school. He is inferring that his staff did nothing wrong with that statement.

[Anthony41671]

Even if the leadership in the school didn't know...that is no excuse...

The Captain is responsible for the conduct of his/her crew...

[wrenjamin]

Excuse me? This is where we run into issues, also known as Double Jeopardy. If a child is dealing drugs, and the school knows, they should tell the cops. But they cannot LEGALLY punish a student for dealing drugs outside of school grounds. If you believe a student is dealing in dangerous behaviors outside of school, then you report it to the police and parents.

You do not punish them for going on Myspace. You do not punish them for getting on Facebook. You do not regulate the behavior of a student outside of school. It's wrong, and it isn't your place to do so.

That's like saying that once a student is in school, they have no rights, and that is simply not true. While schools can (and do) ignore many of those rights they are supposed to have, they should not be doing so.

It takes students with guts and gumption to stand up and say they are wrong, and those students are often beaten back into the mold. My administrators were all power hungry perverts. And I am not joking. We had three principals in a single decade get accused of sexual harassment. We had multiple teachers that were accused of improper relations. And all of them had the attitude of "I am the adult, you are the student. My word is law and I can make your life hell."

I DETEST public schools, precisely because someone is more likely to believe the word of the principal or teacher than the student. Because they do not think that it is worth the fight to change the prevaling attitudes that these old farts have.

It is THAT attitude that allowed that teacher to think he could get away with this pregnancy test, and it is THAT attitude that is making the school say that the girl had it coming to her.

Any schools I have dealt with have always reported any illegal incidents to the police, and they were dealt with accordingly. However many public schools, depending on the charges and the findings, had the rights to review and either suspend/expel the student. How is this unfair/violating rights?

I not once mentioned MySpace or Facebook. I was talking about illegal activities. If a student partakes in something illegal, and it is reported to the authorities, then I do indeed think that a school has the rights to proceed from there. Further, the schools have every right in the world to limit access within the school to any website they want to.

Students in schools DO have rights, but they are not above listening to and respecting the rules set before them. Every student is given a comprehensive list of things they can and cannot do. Simply because they don't agree does not mean that they can choose to disregard them. Many rules are set in place for the benefit of the whole. We're talking about a huge number of students that each school is in charge of and it takes policies and procedures to keep things flowing smoothly.

I'm sorry that your public school experience was less than great, but that does not mean that it applies to every single public school out there. Guess what? I too went to a school where teachers had inappropriate relations with students. When the students spoke out the teachers were arrested, fired and in both cases sent to jail. None of my teachers told us that their word was law, and if you had an issue with a teacher OR an administrator there were mature, professional routes of dealing with it.

Detesting all public school seems a bit unreasonable. As I said, it sounds like you had a raw deal. But, this does not mean that every school is the same. Or, that every teacher and administrator is going to treat your poorly because a handful did.

Please re read the end of my last post. I did not once condone the actions of this school, the individuals involved, or any such. I agree that this was taking it all a huge step too far.

[Kraheera]

I am aware you didn't condone it. But I think you are mistaking what I mean by restricting access to websites. Schools have every right to police their own internet.

NOT the internet these kids access at home. When I speak of them getting children in trouble for myspace, facebook, etc... I'm talking these children used these sites AT home.

And the school said they couldn't.

I have no problem with rules that actually benefit students... I do have problems with the schools thinking their business includes everything in a student's life. It doesn't.

What if someone is picked up for shoplifting? Does the school have the right to suspend/expel the student for their activities NOT performed on school grounds or school hours? NO. That is what parents are for.

If a student is charged for dealing drugs, they are already being dealt with. Being punished by a public school (which is compulsory in attendance) when one is already punished by an authority higher in the law than the school is double jeopardy, and is wrong. The school is free to keep an eye on said student, and make sure they aren't continuing such habits during school hours or on school grounds.

They are not free to suspend/expel them. Schools ALWAYS over-reach, because they think they can. It's the old addage of "give em an inch, and they'll take a mile".

THAT is why I dislike public schools. These students often don't have a choice of where to go. They should not have to deal with the constant B.S. that schools think they can get away with, simply because their students are minors. If adults were treated this way, you'd never hear the end of it.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Actually...

This is the part of your post most bothersome , and disagreeable
to me...perhaps also to Kraheera...

They have no business , whatsoever , policing , controlling , or
bringing what happens outside the school , into the school...

Not their snot nosed business...

If it is on school grounds...yes , deal with it , in an appropriate
manner...other than that...

What happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas...




In terms of reacting to behavior that happens out of school - why should they not? If a student is dealing drugs, why should the school not respond to this for the safety of everyone else? Same with weapons, fighting, anti-defamation, etc.

[Caitlin.ann]

I would flip the **** out.

[Glowy]

That poor child. OMG They had no right. Schools spread gossip like fire.

[Sequoia]

Idiotic. If I'd have been that girl, I would have thrown a MASSIVE fit and demand that my parents be called, rather than let the counselor tell me what to do. And if I'd have been her parents... I'd be doing exactly what they're doing now.

Please note that they asked for an APOLOGY ONLY at first, and were refused. So they're bringing the lawsuit to generate attention, to embarrass the school officials, and only in a minor way to get any "damages" off of it. At least, that's how it seems to me.

But the people who are going on in a hissy fit about "Public schools" this and "The Man" that... need to get a reality check.

We educate children en masse in this country; public funding that is hardly even there, buildings that are in desperate need of repair, teachers who don't earn a reasonable wage, and students with sense of entitlement and "freedom" to do whatever the hell they please...

Tiny, one-room schools were "classic" and "worked better", why, exactly? Well, for one thing, there was corporal punishment. For another, these kids knew they'd catch HELL if they didn't pay attention, not just from the teacher, but from the PARENTS as well. Then there was the general culture of that little thing known as the will to better oneself.

If parents parented half as much as they ought to, none of these ridiculous school "codes" would have to exist. If your child is failing and getting into trouble, what sense is blaming the school? I'd wager money that the vast majority of the time, it's the parents' shortcomings, and the child's surliness. The school is hardly ever to blame. You just hear about it because out of the hundreds of THOUSANDS of schools all across this nation, ONE or TWO a year come into light as being blatant, black-and-white, undeniable idiots.

I'd call that a helluva social success rate. Now if only we could get the academic success rate up... but the methods of fixing that are for another thread and another time.



No , this was not the case...we were given huge amounts of
freedom...I went to the first modular scheduling school in the
U.S. , where we scheduled our day of classes , from a list of
possible times...

We could come and go off campus...

Wear pretty much what we wanted...very loose dress code...

Never searched for drugs , or weapons...

Never controlled as far as medications...

After school...are you kidding ?

And we partied , and made love , in the park , next to the school ,
even during school hours , between our scheduled classes...

We ruled the school...not the school ruling us...
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Oh Shawn, you just keep spinning that yarn of yours longer and longer... :hmmmmm:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Ahem...though some are malarkey on here , there are MANY
which are true...and no , I was not the one who warped the gym floors...So there !

Actually they removed the link...no one could prove the statements...LOL...

But here is the removed info...just so you can see it...My High School...Granada High !


Most Social Studies teachers provide their students with donuts on friday mornings, even though food is technically not allowed in class.

- Granada has produced no note worthy alumni until recently while their rival Livermore High produced baseball star Randy Johnson.

- Students mourned the loss of the trees in the Quad area (Due to renovation) for they provided convenient places to store trash (In the knot holes).

- Most of the money collected from families for ASB is spent on food expenses for ASB throughout the course of the year. Any excess money is conservatively spent on poster paper and coloring instruments.

- In the 1970's, just days after a new gym floor was put in, vandal students put hoses in the gym windows and completely destroyed and warped the floor. While the gym has recovered, the state of the school has not due to such destructive attitudes.

- The circular science building was fashioned after a nondescript UFO, a scientific fad of the 1960's when the school was built.

- Inside the science building, there is a cupboard containing a small aquarium with some sort of large pickled creature inside. It appears to be from the 1970's and the science teachers themselves are clueless as to what it holds.

-There are two teachers that have been with the school since inception, Steven Sneeringer and Jerome Burg. They are both in their late 70's now but refuse to retire due to their undying dedication to the school and the student's education.

- There is a grove of trees between the 300 and 400 halls that holds a long cherished tradition at Granada. Students popularly elect four freshmen students every 3 years (Currently, the class of 2006 holds this honor, soon to pass to the class of 2009). These honored students control who enters and crosses through this pathway and holds lunchtime priviledges to its use. There is legend that a time capsule containing valuables from the establishment of the school is hidden somewhere in the grove, but the administration allows the priviledged 4 to dig one hole per year, and the capsule has not been found to this day.

- It is standard tradition at Granada, during the first month of school, for the seniors to buy Airhorns and blow them near freshmen to express their utter superiority. While some find this practice derogatory and dispicable, the majority find it quite amusing.

- A series of underground passages exist at Granada, once used as steam room tunnels, that are occasionally used by custodial staff. Every year, there is a charitable raffle held where the winner (usually a student) and a guest are taken on a tour of these passages.

- In the 1978, "Boot Hill" experienced much rain and revealed the corner of a coffin was exposed to the public. The hill used to be a cemetary but all the coffins have since been moved. It is only myth that any body parts were exposed in the event.

- The first Principal of Granada was Woodrow Wilson's Nephew, John Wilson, who established the school in its formative years. Unforunately, he was unable to carry out construction plans effectively, neglecting the overhead walkway coverings that would allow students to pass from class to class in the rain (can be referenced in the school library from original blueprint). To this day, students still suffer in the winter from being completely drenched. Many teachers have hairdryers in their rooms to help remedy this predicament.

- Prior to 2005, smoke could visibly be seen rising from "Boot Hill" at lunch time, due to the schools lack of drug regulation in the park. The onset of the closed campus put an end to most of this activity aside from senior usage.

- Attended 1970-1972. Granada had a form of modular scheduling giving students more freedom than at any other high school I have heard of. Schedules made out on a daily basis for the upcoming day. A 1pm "ad" period lasting 20 minutes was the only "required" class, all others were on a list with various time offerings. Include the open campus and few teachers taking attendance.... well, maximum freedom; for good or bad.

_1972, budget cuts led to school newspaper being discontinued. An underground newspaper created and run by students; the Wall Street Jernil (Granada is located on Wall St.) was asked to become the official school newspaper since it was self-supporting via ads and a very low budget. The cadre agreed ONLY after the lackey bureaucrats, the yellow running dog imperialists running the school, agreed to no direct involvement or censorship in the running of the newspaper.

Early 1970s.... Bagrot, a unique game using a compressed brown bag lunch compressed with rubber bands was all the rage during lunch and break times.

Why did you remove these? This would of helped the article not be a stub. I am putting them back on. Kylee20051 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kylee20051) (talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kylee20051)) 21:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC) See this policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TRIVIA) for why it was removed. I have removed it again. If you feel that something within the list is encyclopedic, then add that part back and please provide a citation to support the claim. --Mperry (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mperry&action=edit&redlink=1) (talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mperry&action=edit&redlink=1)) 01:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Granada_High_School_(California) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Granada_High_School_(California))"




Oh Shawn, you just keep spinning that yarn of yours longer and longer... :hmmmmm:

[Sequoia]

Ahem...though some are malarkey on here , there are MANY
which are true...and no , I was not the one who warped the gym floors...So there !

Aciually they removed the link...no one could prove the statements...LOL...
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Aww. You mean you backed your claim up with a public-edit website that actually was edited to remove your claim?

And it WASN'T you who warped the gym floors? Shawn, I'm shocked. :p

[Shawn Blackwolf]

It obviously was put there by somebody who went to high school with me...
did you read the whole thing ?

They left a lot out...

Like when we put a teachers Volkswagon , on the gym roof...

When we pulled the fire alarms , or some phoned in bomb threats
which caused the whole school to be let out for the day...

( I am not condoning that )

Like when the jocks , and hippies had a war , for half the school year...
it was crazy...and Boot Hill was the park I mentioned...

And yes...there is a time capsule buried ...I was there...



Aww. You mean you backed your claim up with a public-edit website that actually was edited to remove your claim?

And it WASN'T you who warped the gym floors? Shawn, I'm shocked. :p

[Autumn]

I am saying "bad school" because there is no way the principal, teachers, etc... did not know this was going on. There's just no way.

Also, the superintendant said that the lawsuit has no credible claims against the school. He is inferring that his staff did nothing wrong with that statement.

What I'm betting was this was a single instance of stupid judgement on the part of the counselor and bone headed behavior on the part of the nurse...not any set policy in place. You can't, no matter how hard you try make a policy to cover every contingency and dumb move by every member of your staff. While I agree with Tony I think the school is very stupid not to fire the counselor and discipline the nurse.

I can't just order up a pregnancy test without a provider's John Hancock! If I had the tests you can bet your butt I would've found out why and for whom she wanted it!!! Then I would have said NO! and I would have asked for the girl to come talk to me.


Even if the leadership in the school didn't know...that is no excuse...

The Captain is responsible for the conduct of his/her crew...

[Invidosa]

Icky, this kind of crap makes me want to vomit. If I was the parent of this child (who by the way I think sent a very positive message in the fact that at first all they wanted was a public apology, and it says A LOT to me about how responsible the school is that they failed to provide one, leads me to agree “bad school”) I would be apoplexic over this!!


True, a 22 year old woman would have more rights actually and the school wouldnt be able to do that crap... especially over a RUMOR

And a 22 year old would be less “trained” to obey the school authorities, and therefore more aware of those rights. They freaking took advantage of the fact that this girl was a child. When you are required to OBEY OBEY OBEY your teachers/administrators for 8 hours a day it makes it really hard to say no when something happens that shouldn’t. Reminds me when I was illegally strip searched for drugs in HS with no evidence to go on except a note from another parent. Its vile crap.



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In terms of reacting to behavior that happens out of school - why should they not? If a student is dealing drugs, why should the school not respond to this for the safety of everyone else? Same with weapons, fighting, anti-defamation, etc. Education in this country is compulsory, but that doesn't mean that the schools have to sacrifice the safety and well being of themselves and the other students to ensure that a rule breaker gets to have the same rights as someone who acts in a responsible manner.
*snipped*


Cause its none of their business frankly.

Does my work place have any right to say what I do when I am not there? Hell no. and neither do the schools. (yes, if they have knowledge of illegal/unsafe behavior going on outside of school, then let the cops handle it, but as long as the behavior does not occur on school grounds, school should stay the heck out of it)

[new_hope]

Idiotic. If I'd have been that girl, I would have thrown a MASSIVE fit and demand that my parents be called, rather than let the counselor tell me what to do. And if I'd have been her parents...

Yeah, but how many 12yo kids have that kind of confidence? I know that I wouldn't of.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, but how many 12yo kids have that kind of confidence? I know that I wouldn't of.

You didn't know me when I was twelve! :lol:

I am the MASTAH of fits of self-righteousness.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well...

I am not going to argue with that...:thumbsup:

But it may be a California thing...

A lot of young girls , up here in Northern Ca. woods ,
would have no problem , telling them where to stuff it...

They grow up , quick , and smart , and tough , up here...:uhhuhuh:



You didn't know me when I was twelve! :lol:

I am the MASTAH of fits of self-righteousness.

[new_hope]

You didn't know me when I was twelve! :lol:

I am the MASTAH of fits of self-righteousness.

:lol:

Yeah, but sadly a lot of kids are too scared to speak up.

[Anteros]

I feel bad for her. It's not the school's business :mad:

[Lunacie]

This scares the crap out of me. My oldest granddaughter is 11 (but looks 16) and I doubt that she would have self-confidence to challenge the school counselor or the principal. She has ADHD and that can make a huge dent in a child's self-esteem and confidence, especially when it's not properly diagnosed until the child is 10 and in the 5th grade. I think there are a lot of girls who would be afraid to say "No, I won't take your test because there is no way I'm pregnant."

[iceskater12]

They definitely could've handled the situation much better.
I mean, even if the consoler was concerned and wanted to ask the girl about it without her parents around (just in case she was and got embarrassed) he had no reason to pull her from class and make her take one even when she had said it was not true. Her parents have every right to be outraged. I feel for the girl, other kids in the nurses office or elsewhere may have spread this around school, just leading to more trouble for her.

At 12 I would have been one of those kids to scared to go against what they were saying and tell them "up yours":smileroll Poor kid.

[aranarose]

When I was 12, a rumor went around my school that I'd been sleeping with the principal (yuck, yuck, double and triple yuck...)

It was started by a very disturbed classmate who had nothing better to do.

If the school had acted on that rumor? An excellent (though old...) principal would have been suspended, and had charges brought up against him.

But it was just a rumor. And dozens of them float through schools each and every day. Kids are mean, and don't think before opening their mouths.

For the counselor to act in such a horrific and bullying way on the basis of a rumor was reckless and irresponsible, and he should be held accountable, as should the senior administrative staff at the school. It is the administrators that set the policy and the tone of acceptable behavior in a school, and the counselor would never have done it if he didn't think he could get away with it.