How do you view the Apocalypse?

[David19]

I thought I'd ask this question, as it is a topic I'm interested in (right now, I'm reading 'Imagining the End', a book with some very cool essays on the Apocalypse in various religions), but, how do you view the Apocalypse, that's described in Revelations?. Do you believe that it will, literally, happen, at some point in the future, or do you see it in a more of a Preterist (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/pretsum.html) light? (from what I understand, Prterist's believe some parts of the Revelations have already happened 2000 years ago, and the only parts that haven't are the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement, although I might be wrong?). Do you see it as more of an allegory for something, some combination of all these, or something else entirely?.

I can't remember if this is right, but, I've heard the Catholic Church take the view of most scholars and see it as being written to give hope to the Christians of a certain area, that the seer John lived in(I think they were being persecuted quite badly?), and that it can give hope to people in times of persecution and oppression, that eventually, good will win, or that Jesus will fight on their side, or something like that, and, that, while they believe in an Apocalypse, it is unknown when it will happen, or what it'll be like (again, I may be wrong, I don't know too much about Catholic views on Revelations, and it was ages since I've read the site that I heard this on).

Personally, I always thought Revelations was one of the most interesting Gospels, just 'cause of the Apocalyptic scenario, the characters in it, etc. I'm not Christian, so I don't really hold any specific views on the Apocalypse, although I think I like a Gnostic view of it, that the Apocalypse had already happened, or had started ages ago, and we're either living in a post-Apocalyptic state, or it's ongoing (I'm unsure which, as I thought it was a Manichean idea, but, according to this (http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma6/taoneo.html), I was wrong). I also quite like the Eastern Orthodox view:

From here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation):


Eastern Orthodox view

Orthodox icon of the Apocalypse of St. John (16th century).Eastern Orthodoxy treats the text as simultaneously describing contemporaneous events and as prophecy of events to come, for which the contemporaneous events were a form of foreshadow. It rejects attempts to determine, before the fact, if the events of Revelation are occurring by mapping them onto present-day events, taking to heart the Scriptural warning against those who proclaim "He is here!" prematurely. Instead, the book is seen as a warning to be spiritually and morally ready for the end times, whenever they may come ("as a thief in the night"), but they will come at the time of God's choosing, not something that can be precipitated nor trivially deduced by mortals.

Book of Revelation is the only book of the New Testament that is not read during services by the Eastern Orthodox Church. In the Coptic Orthodox Church (which is not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox church but is liturgically similar), the whole book of revelation is read during apocalypse night or bright Saturday (the eve of the resurrection).

Anyway, I'd really like to hear your thoughts.

David.

[LostSheep]

Ah, John of Patmos, one of my favourite writers. I think Revelation was essentially an Old Testament prophetic book out of its time, and, like them (and like most of the Old tesament, if we're honest) it was all very allegorical and metaphorical. And like most allegories, i think it can be interpreted any way that anyone wants. I think it's noteworthy that even the Church could never really decide on what to make of it; even they couldn't really convincingly try to take it literally. I think on the whole the basic theme of it is that the weak will overthrow the strong, and so it could be an allegory for Jesus's followers surviving oppression and eventually overthrowing their oppressors - the Romans - altogether, or (as it turned out) winning them over to their side.

And, of course, a lamb plays a prominent part in it.

[David19]

Ah, John of Patmos, one of my favourite writers. I think Revelation was essentially an Old Testament prophetic book out of its time, and, like them (and like most of the Old tesament, if we're honest) it was all very allegorical and metaphorical. And like most allegories, i think it can be interpreted any way that anyone wants. I think it's noteworthy that even the Church could never really decide on what to make of it; even they couldn't really convincingly try to take it literally. I think on the whole the basic theme of it is that the weak will overthrow the strong, and so it could be an allegory for Jesus's followers surviving oppression and eventually overthrowing their oppressors - the Romans - altogether, or (as it turned out) winning them over to their side.

And, of course, a lamb plays a prominent part in it.

That's quite a cool message to get from it, and I think that's one of the main messages that, probably, was intended for it. Do you think it relates to any future event, though (as in an actual Apocalypse, with armies of demons, AntiChrist, and the other usual characters)?.

[Lahmi]

As a whole, I tend to take Revelations as dealing with future events now. Some of the prophecies did indeed some to fruition in about 70AD but, unlike my preterist brethren, I hold that those were like some other prophecies which actually referred to two sets of events.
YMMV :)

[Cloaked Raven]

Good question, David. :)

To me, the Apocalypse will come when our Sun goes to the Red Giant stage and destroys all life on Earth. I know, we may not survive that long (it's a couple of billion years away) but it's destroying the home we've had since life started here... And there will be death here (anyone left behind or any life that is not human) when the sun does go into its next stage... So that's why I think the way I do.

I may be on a Christian path but I take a more scientific approach about a lot of things.... :weirdsmil

[Glowingsun]

Back then when the biblw was written, people were just not that educated about the Earth. The prophosy people probably did see somethings happening in the far off future, but couldn't put a name to what was happening. How are they to know what a spaceship is or what AIDS are. They didn't know about this stuff. They didn't even know that rust and (i think it's sulfur or some type of substance) makes water red. So they thought that the water was turing to blood.
I don't know too much about the apacolypse, but if there is such a thing it's already starting. I dson't think it's going to wipe out man kind entirely, but as the polar caps shift and the polar magnetic fields shift along with global warming, quite a few islands, low lying areas close to water are going to be flooded out.

[Xander67]

I still want to know how Moses Parted the Red Sea! That would be cool to be able to do! :nicetie:

Glowingsun has a point. I mean, ok "He will return in a firey chariot" This could be interpreted a few ways.. To bad they didn't provide illustrations to accompany the prophecy. :colorful:

Firey Chariot. That could mean a Space Ship, A Plane, A missle, A giant meteorite crashing, or maybe some Supernatural means..

The one thing I like about the Pyramids that are found all over the world is that even though they lacked the words to describe something, they were smart enough to express it through hieroglyphs.

What do I think about the Apocalypse? Meh, just another day. :whatgives

[bellamandu]

i always saw the prophecies in Revelations as more of a motivational speech for the religiously oppressed of the times.

although, i will admit that certain elements of it are in unison with other religious apocalypse stories, but that is a whole other ballgame.

its the type of writing style that is purely symbolic, so its really open for interpretation. i mean, yeah, you could say that all of those things are going to literally happen, if you are an evangelical nutso, but i think those people probably have a higher cult suicide rate than others. :hahugh:

[bellamandu]

Back then when the biblw was written, people were just not that educated about the Earth. The prophosy people probably did see somethings happening in the far off future, but couldn't put a name to what was happening. How are they to know what a spaceship is or what AIDS are. They didn't know about this stuff. They didn't even know that rust and (i think it's sulfur or some type of substance) makes water red. So they thought that the water was turing to blood.
I don't know too much about the apacolypse, but if there is such a thing it's already starting. I dson't think it's going to wipe out man kind entirely, but as the polar caps shift and the polar magnetic fields shift along with global warming, quite a few islands, low lying areas close to water are going to be flooded out.


theres also a very popular theory by meteor/global warming/nuke interpretation fans that when this happens, the "blood water" is explained by the vast heating/greenhouse effect caused by whatever chosen apocalyptic end, causing a mass surge in red algae. :thumbsup:

[David19]

As a whole, I tend to take Revelations as dealing with future events now. Some of the prophecies did indeed some to fruition in about 70AD but, unlike my preterist brethren, I hold that those were like some other prophecies which actually referred to two sets of events.
YMMV :)

So, for you, the Apocalypse is yet to come?, do you hold a more Eastern Orthodox view, in that Revelations is both symbolic and a metaphor for the persecution the early Christian communities were facing and a prophecy of the Apocalypse (like I said before, I think that's the Eastern Orthodox view?). Do you believe it will happen at some point in the future, either on this earth or some other plane?.


Good question, David. :)

To me, the Apocalypse will come when our Sun goes to the Red Giant stage and destroys all life on Earth. I know, we may not survive that long (it's a couple of billion years away) but it's destroying the home we've had since life started here... And there will be death here (anyone left behind or any life that is not human) when the sun does go into its next stage... So that's why I think the way I do.

I may be on a Christian path but I take a more scientific approach about a lot of things.... :weirdsmil

Thanks, glad you liked it, and that's quite interesting, maybe, it is a metaphor for the sun going boom. Although, maybe it could be both a prophecy for some supernatural events as well as the natural end of the world (not sure if that made sense).


Back then when the biblw was written, people were just not that educated about the Earth. The prophosy people probably did see somethings happening in the far off future, but couldn't put a name to what was happening. How are they to know what a spaceship is or what AIDS are. They didn't know about this stuff. They didn't even know that rust and (i think it's sulfur or some type of substance) makes water red. So they thought that the water was turing to blood.
I don't know too much about the apacolypse, but if there is such a thing it's already starting. I dson't think it's going to wipe out man kind entirely, but as the polar caps shift and the polar magnetic fields shift along with global warming, quite a few islands, low lying areas close to water are going to be flooded out.

So, would you say the events in the prophecy are happening now?.


i always saw the prophecies in Revelations as more of a motivational speech for the religiously oppressed of the times.

although, i will admit that certain elements of it are in unison with other religious apocalypse stories, but that is a whole other ballgame.

Do you think then, that, 'cause it bears some resemblance to other Apocalyptic prophecies, some of the events may happen in the future?.

[Fiamma]

How do you view the Apocalypse?

Preferably from a safe distance.


"...and the Universe," continued the waiter, determined not to be deflected on his home stretch, "will explode later for your pleasure."

[Cloaked Raven]

Preferably from a safe distance.


"...and the Universe," continued the waiter, determined not to be deflected on his home stretch, "will explode later for your pleasure."
:lol: :thumbsup:

[bellamandu]

its hard to explain. i do believe that many of the things spoken of in revelations are simply reflections of that particular time in history. but there are also certain things within revelations that strongly resemble (or are an exact mirror) end of the world stories from not only other religions but from non-religious prophets as well. it's hard to tell exactly what it all means though, litereally, because the majority of these prophesies are either purely symbolic or were written in a time when many of the things described couldn't have been explained any other way; just as what i described before with the red algae.

the easiest way to explain what i belive in is this:

i believe that in the universe, we are all derived from one central "spirit" or "force", and that we are all one and the same in this right. at one point in the future, there will be a mass "awakening" of sorts of people becoming aware of this connection, that is, if it isnt happening already. around the time of this occurrence, yes, this world will come to an end. now whether that is literal; ie. a meteor, a nuke, the sun; or symbolic (spiritual, emotional, humans evolving to the next species, etc) is purely up for debate. i, personally, tend to lean towards the second one. anyway, after this awakening and the "end" everything will return to the "spirit" or "source" and be reborn all over again.

i cant not believe this. there are just too many things pointing to it in religion, history, and even science. it all fits together too well for it to not be true.

and even here lately i've sort of gone on a research spree as my interest in it has been peaked more so than usual (and in regard to certain current events in my life) and every day i find something new that simply reaffirms these beliefs.

but hey, to each his own. :thumbsup:



Do you think then, that, 'cause it bears some resemblance to other Apocalyptic prophecies, some of the events may happen in the future?.

[Glowingsun]

So, would you say the events in the prophecy are happening now?.



I can't say for sure. The only stories of the apocolypse I'm aware of are what I've seen on the Simpsons and this movie I saw about the Jewish version.
But like I've said, people back then didn't know about todays technology. They could even have had visions and were just scared because things like spaceships, cars, computers and all the modern stuff were just all unfamiliar to them. And we all know how scared people are of the unfamilar.
I don't think the world is gonna go out like how they interpreted it in the prophosies. But we're experiencing the early stages of an economic crisis, the worlds climate and geology is changing, waters and the land are becomming more polluted than ever, strains of new viruses are turning up in the most unsuspecting places, there are major wars, and just look at peoples behaviour these days. I don't know, it could all be coincidence or it could be something else. I don't think we'll ever know till it's too late.

[Darth Brooks]

I thought I'd ask this question, as it is a topic I'm interested in (right now, I'm reading 'Imagining the End', a book with some very cool essays on the Apocalypse in various religions), but, how do you view the Apocalypse, that's described in Revelations?. Do you believe that it will, literally, happen, at some point in the future, or do you see it in a more of a Preterist (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/pretsum.html) light? (from what I understand, Prterist's believe some parts of the Revelations have already happened 2000 years ago, and the only parts that haven't are the resurrection of the dead, and the final judgement, although I might be wrong?). Do you see it as more of an allegory for something, some combination of all these, or something else entirely?.

I don't believe in the book of Revelation exactly, but I do hold certain eschatological beliefs. I believe the current age in which otherness is still persecuted will eventually draw to a close when the Great Reconciliation between Horus and Set takes place here on earth. (No Reconciliation is necessary in heaven, since the Secret of the Two Partners always applies in the realm of the divine; it's just on earth that it's been buried and forgotten.) There's still a long ways to go before this can happen, and I also believe that eventually the whole of creation will be returned by Set to the waters of Nun (or the Void), so that Horus can regenerate it for a new cycle afterwards. I think of this as the Final Cause and I don't think it will happen until well after the Reconciliation.

Though I'm not Christian I tend to take something of an Augustinian view toward eschatology, which is to say that although I believe these events are destined to happen somehow eventually, I think the most useful way to deal with them is by viewing them as something that a believer can take part in right now, here in the present. I know I will not live to see the Reconciliation, but I also know that what people do here and now can help to make it happen sooner. For every person within whom the Reconciliation has already happened (as with Gandhi, or like you and me, and quite a few other people here on this board), the future Reconciliation gets closer and closer. I guess probably the biggest difference between my "apocalypse" and that of guys like Hal Lindsay is that mine focuses on a desired conciliatory event rather than a desired "last battle," and it implies that human beings can help the Gods to finish writing the story, rather than just having to wait and live with whatever is written for them. I don't think we can just sit back and wait for a happy ending.


I can't remember if this is right, but, I've heard the Catholic Church take the view of most scholars and see it as being written to give hope to the Christians of a certain area, that the seer John lived in(I think they were being persecuted quite badly?), and that it can give hope to people in times of persecution and oppression, that eventually, good will win, or that Jesus will fight on their side, or something like that, and, that, while they believe in an Apocalypse, it is unknown when it will happen, or what it'll be like (again, I may be wrong, I don't know too much about Catholic views on Revelations, and it was ages since I've read the site that I heard this on).You might want to check out some books by Bernard McGinn, he's done some very excellent work studying Christian apocalypticism, and he says pretty much what you just said, that apocalypticism is really like a coping mechanism that helps religious people with eschatological beliefs to make sense out of the horrible things that happen to them in the present. Like when Antiochus IV blasphemed the Jewish Temple with the "Abomination of Desolation." Here you have a tyrannical persecutor terrorizing the Jews, and the only way they could make sense out of it was by thinking that persecutions like this were "birth pains" in the process of Messiah's coming to the earth. I don't remember who I'm paraphrasing for the moment, but it's like saying: "When the shit hits the fan, don't panic; rejoice instead, for it's a sign that better times are ahead." Considering how the Jews have managed to survive and go on despite all that was done to them, I'd say there's a kind of magic to eschatological beliefs that can be helpful to survival...Though like anything else, it can also become destructive in the hands of whackos.

[David19]

I don't believe in the book of Revelation exactly, but I do hold certain eschatological beliefs. I believe the current age in which otherness is still persecuted will eventually draw to a close when the Great Reconciliation between Horus and Set takes place here on earth. (No Reconciliation is necessary in heaven, since the Secret of the Two Partners always applies in the realm of the divine; it's just on earth that it's been buried and forgotten.) There's still a long ways to go before this can happen, and I also believe that eventually the whole of creation will be returned by Set to the waters of Nun (or the Void), so that Horus can regenerate it for a new cycle afterwards. I think of this as the Final Cause and I don't think it will happen until well after the Reconciliation.

Though I'm not Christian I tend to take something of an Augustinian view toward eschatology, which is to say that although I believe these events are destined to happen somehow eventually, I think the most useful way to deal with them is by viewing them as something that a believer can take part in right now, here in the present. I know I will not live to see the Reconciliation, but I also know that what people do here and now can help to make it happen sooner. For every person within whom the Reconciliation has already happened (as with Gandhi, or like you and me, and quite a few other people here on this board), the future Reconciliation gets closer and closer. I guess probably the biggest difference between my "apocalypse" and that of guys like Hal Lindsay is that mine focuses on a desired conciliatory event rather than a desired "last battle," and it implies that human beings can help the Gods to finish writing the story, rather than just having to wait and live with whatever is written for them. I don't think we can just sit back and wait for a happy ending.

Thanks for your post, it was really thought-provoking, but, I'm confused, what do you mean the Reconciliation is something that each human can take part in, or can happen to others?. I do like the idea, though.


You might want to check out some books by Bernard McGinn, he's done some very excellent work studying Christian apocalypticism, and he says pretty much what you just said, that apocalypticism is really like a coping mechanism that helps religious people with eschatological beliefs to make sense out of the horrible things that happen to them in the present. Like when Antiochus IV blasphemed the Jewish Temple with the "Abomination of Desolation." Here you have a tyrannical persecutor terrorizing the Jews, and the only way they could make sense out of it was by thinking that persecutions like this were "birth pains" in the process of Messiah's coming to the earth. I don't remember who I'm paraphrasing for the moment, but it's like saying: "When the shit hits the fan, don't panic; rejoice instead, for it's a sign that better times are ahead." Considering how the Jews have managed to survive and go on despite all that was done to them, I'd say there's a kind of magic to eschatological beliefs that can be helpful to survival...Though like anything else, it can also become destructive in the hands of whackos.

I will definitely check some of his stuff out, that sounds like some of the things I've read. I can agree that it can be really inspiring and moving, especially in dark and hard times, but, that it can also become destructive (for example, in the hands of cults, etc).

[Darth Brooks]

Thanks for your post, it was really thought-provoking, but, I'm confused, what do you mean the Reconciliation is something that each human can take part in, or can happen to others?. I do like the idea, though.

Somebody like Gandhi, for instance, would be an example of a person within whom I would say the Reconciliation has already happened, as an immanent event. He was not perfect himself, but I'm hard pressed to think of another person who lived in the world at that time and who was 100% serious about being religiously tolerant of everyone. Because Gandhi wrote what he wrote and did what he did, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X became inspired to do the same kinds of things. And because they did what they did, more people today are inspired to do the same kinds of things. The future Reconciliation keeps getting closer and closer with each new person who experiences it as an immanent event or process. In this way we ourselves (i.e., people) have a significant role to play in bringing the future event about, which is to say it couldn't happen at all without our active participation.

But here we get into the nitty gritty. Some people may claim to work for Reconciliation (though more than likely they'll phrase it a different way than I am now), but many are not yet ready to accept what that really means. Many people who claim to believe in religious tolerance, as you and I have both seen, are not always so good at practicing it. In some cases, religious tolerance is desired except for particular groups that offend the individual's tender sensibilities for whatever reason. But the Reconciliation is an all or nothing deal. It is inclusive of everyone, including the people we love to hate. Which is why the future Reconciliation is still quite a ways off, because the human race in general is not mature enough to handle it as of yet. But this doesn't mean we can just sit back and wait. That's why it's so important that the few individuals who are able to handle it should speak out, because we are the ones to plant the seeds for the future.

Does this make any sense at all, or am I just making this more confusing?

[David19]

Somebody like Gandhi, for instance, would be an example of a person within whom I would say the Reconciliation has already happened, as an immanent event. He was not perfect himself, but I'm hard pressed to think of another person who lived in the world at that time and who was 100% serious about being religiously tolerant of everyone. Because Gandhi wrote what he wrote and did what he did, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X became inspired to do the same kinds of things. And because they did what they did, more people today are inspired to do the same kinds of things. The future Reconciliation keeps getting closer and closer with each new person who experiences it as an immanent event or process. In this way we ourselves (i.e., people) have a significant role to play in bringing the future event about, which is to say it couldn't happen at all without our active participation.

But here we get into the nitty gritty. Some people may claim to work for Reconciliation (though more than likely they'll phrase it a different way than I am now), but many are not yet ready to accept what that really means. Many people who claim to believe in religious tolerance, as you and I have both seen, are not always so good at practicing it. In some cases, religious tolerance is desired except for particular groups that offend the individual's tender sensibilities for whatever reason. But the Reconciliation is an all or nothing deal. It is inclusive of everyone, including the people we love to hate. Which is why the future Reconciliation is still quite a ways off, because the human race in general is not mature enough to handle it as of yet. But this doesn't mean we can just sit back and wait. That's why it's so important that the few individuals who are able to handle it should speak out, because we are the ones to plant the seeds for the future.

Does this make any sense at all, or am I just making this more confusing?

Actually, that does make sense, and I understand what you're saying, it's definitely very thought-provoking, I'd agree with you about Ghandi, I'd say it definitely took place in him, and people like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, etc. I definitely would say that we are quite a way off for all of humanity to reach that goal, unfortunately.

[Caitlin.ann]

A world without men is my apocalypse. Women suck.

[PrincessKLS]

I longed question the end of the world. Partially because ever since I was 9 or 10, I would constantly hear, "Jesus is coming soon, look around you". And every year or so when something major in world history happens it means that Christ is supposed to come now. And everyone seems to think sometime in the 2000s, but isn't it possible that we could experience the world ending in the 3000s, 4000s, or even 10,000,000 AD?

Eventually the world will end, just not the way Christians claim it will.

[ninurta2008]

This is my view of the Apocalypse. Although I am a skeptic of any prophecy, and am a nonbeliever. I think this is a fun topic to discuss. I personally believe that it was to keep the converts faithful even in times of oppression. It was good news to an oppressed people in the reign of Caesar Nero, whose name is numbered 666 in numerology by the way.

[David19]

A world without men is my apocalypse. Women suck.

So true ;)!.

[David19]

This is my view of the Apocalypse. Although I am a skeptic of any prophecy, and am a nonbeliever. I think this is a fun topic to discuss. I personally believe that it was to keep the converts faithful even in times of oppression. It was good news to an oppressed people in the reign of Caesar Nero, whose name is numbered 666 in numerology by the way.

Good info, and that's similar to what a lot of scholars believe, that the Apocalypse was written to give hope to the early Christians, in times of persecution, and, if I'm not mistaken, the Catholic Church take a somewhat similar view, they believe it gives people hope, even when things seem incredibly dark, that Jesus is on their side, and that good will triumpth in the end, I think they might also see it as being a vague prophecy of some future Apocalypse, but, the Catholic Church doesn't try and predict the Apocalypse, like others, and, I think, they believe if it happens, we'll know about it, but, that they don't take Revelations literally.

[ninurta2008]

Good info, and that's similar to what a lot of scholars believe, that the Apocalypse was written to give hope to the early Christians, in times of persecution, and, if I'm not mistaken, the Catholic Church take a somewhat similar view, they believe it gives people hope, even when things seem incredibly dark, that Jesus is on their side, and that good will triumpth in the end, I think they might also see it as being a vague prophecy of some future Apocalypse, but, the Catholic Church doesn't try and predict the Apocalypse, like others, and, I think, they believe if it happens, we'll know about it, but, that they don't take Revelations literally.

Do you believe in it? Or that its possible? I personally believe in dreams giving you advice, but not to that sort of thing. I think if it was really a dream the guy (john of Patmos) had, he ha one freaky nightmare, nothing more. I've had alot of nightmares myself so I feel for him.

Though I believe in predicting if a meteor would hit Earth since it is done by testable and proven means (the same means that put the rovers on mars), but as for the book of revelations, not what i personally believe. But its fine if others do so don't get discouraged because not all skeptics are going to start asking you to prove what you believe.

[David19]

Do you believe in it? Or that its possible? I personally believe in dreams giving you advice, but not to that sort of thing. I think if it was really a dream the guy (john of Patmos) had, he ha one freaky nightmare, nothing more. I've had alot of nightmares myself so I feel for him.

Though I believe in predicting if a meteor would hit Earth since it is done by testable and proven means (the same means that put the rovers on mars), but as for the book of revelations, not what i personally believe. But its fine if others do so don't get discouraged because not all skeptics are going to start asking you to prove what you believe.

For myself, I don't know, I'm not Christian, but, I am really interested in the Book of Revelations, and I really enjoy learning about the different interpretations of it. Personally, maybe something will happen or maybe it might not, or maybe the Apocalypse will take place long after this universe has gone, on some other plane of existence, I don't know.

Personally, there's a good book I really want to get called 'Archetype of the Apocalypse: A Jungian Study of the Book of Revelation' by Edward F. Edinger and George R. Elder (http://www.amazon.com/Archetype-Apocalypse-Jungian-Study-Revelation/dp/0812693957) (you can also read a bit of it on Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=ib9rEi_L7IYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Archetype+of+the+Apocalypse)). They have it at a uni library over here (the LSE (http://www.lse.ac.uk)), so, I might try and check it out.

I'm actually interested in the Apocalypse in various religions, especially Christianity and Zoroastrianism, and others (the Manichean and some Gnostic views are quite interesting too, IMO).

[ninurta2008]

For myself, I don't know, I'm not Christian, but, I am really interested in the Book of Revelations, and I really enjoy learning about the different interpretations of it. Personally, maybe something will happen or maybe it might not, or maybe the Apocalypse will take place long after this universe has gone, on some other plane of existence, I don't know.

Personally, there's a good book I really want to get called 'Archetype of the Apocalypse: A Jungian Study of the Book of Revelation' by Edward F. Edinger and George R. Elder (http://www.amazon.com/Archetype-Apocalypse-Jungian-Study-Revelation/dp/0812693957) (you can also read a bit of it on Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=ib9rEi_L7IYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Archetype+of+the+Apocalypse)). They have it at a uni library over here (the LSE (http://www.lse.ac.uk)), so, I might try and check it out.

I'm actually interested in the Apocalypse in various religions, especially Christianity and Zoroastrianism, and others (the Manichean and some Gnostic views are quite interesting too, IMO).
O I see, I like to learn about other religions and their views on things too! I am less interested in their prophecies as much as their legends in general though.

[Terra Mater]

My childhood was the Apocalypse, I am living in the After times.:boing:

[Xander67]

Hopefully in IMAX 3d!
seriously!