What do you think of Octomom?

[PrincessKLS]

I'm surprised I couldn't find anything through quick search on here. But before I state my opinions. I want to hear from you all.

[Pagan Warrior]

I think she's incredibly irresponsible and self-involved and I have very little doubt that she's co-dependant and that is what's driving her actions.

[PrincessKLS]

I agree, in fact I don't see how on her income she could be able to afford the IVF treatments. IVF treatments are for women who can't bear children for any reason. She obviously could, she had six others before. Were they through IVF treatments?

Geez, and people complain the Duggars are bad with their 18. At least those were naturally made and the Duggars try to be independent instead of living off the government, but then again the dad's a former representative, congressman under the Republican Party and they get paid doing their shows, lol.

I heard that someone offered her $1,000,000 to do one porno, the upside to her taking that offer (if she does) is that she won't be qualified for gov't assistance.

Sure she looks like Angelina Jolie, but she broken down, cheap version of her.

[evergreen]

Were they through IVF treatments?


Yes. All 14 of her children were conceived by IVF.

I, personally, think she genuinely loves her children, but that her choices were irresponsible and selfish. She's stated she wanted a large family because of her own dysfunctional and lonely childhood, but who's helping to parent her children? HER PARENTS! Basically, the children have been born with a job to fill up all her holes whether it hurts them emotionally or not.

Not to mention the physical harm that all those eight babies had to endure. It's a miracle they're still alive! I won't be the least bit surprised if a few suffer from cerebral palsy or some other sort of mental/physical delays. She already has one child with learning disabilities and another with autism.

It's pretty ridiculous. I don't know how she'll be able to support each child, giving them each individual attention that they need and deserve.

[Kraheera]

No single parent should be the sole provider for fourteen children. I know that sounds harsh, but it is true. Single parents have a hard enough time with 2 or 3 perfectly healthy children.

Can you imagine the horror of caring for 14, two of whom for certain have mental disabilities?

Her father bought her a new house today. He's GIVING it to her. A group of nurses are going to work around the clock to help her. FOR FREE.

and that is bloody ridiculous. It is this sort of "help" that enables such behavior. This woman should be forced to acknowledge the consequences of her actions, and the Just consequences would be to remove the children and place them with a loving family capable of providing. Or perhaps a group home for just the fourteen of them with dedicated providers.

The children should not have to suffer, and staying with this woman (no matter how much free stuff she gets) will inevitably cause mental/emotional suffering. I would not ask any child to cause "emotional" healing from a "distraught" childhood. It is too great a responsibility.

Nadya Suleman is a manipulator and leech of the first degree... and that's saying something when I (the often named Socialist of this bunch) is unwilling to put up with her.

[PrincessKLS]

Yes. All 14 of her children were conceived by IVF.

I, personally, think she genuinely loves her children, but that her choices were irresponsible and selfish. She's stated she wanted a large family because of her own dysfunctional and lonely childhood, but who's helping to parent her children? HER PARENTS! Basically, the children have been born with a job to fill up all her holes whether it hurts them emotionally or not.

Not to mention the physical harm that all those eight babies had to endure. It's a miracle they're still alive! I won't be the least bit surprised if a few suffer from cerebral palsy or some other sort of mental/physical delays. She already has one child with learning disabilities and another with autism.

It's pretty ridiculous. I don't know how she'll be able to support each child, giving them each individual attention that they need and deserve.

I think she should've received counseling before having those children and she definitely shouldn't have anymore. To my knowledge she was on SSDI prior to having her children so she couldn't had afford it unless SSDI or SSI has a special fertility program for low income mothers that I'm not aware of. And you have to have fertility problems before using IVF. Did she have problems, or did she get in contact with a dubious doctor? I think the ladder, it was dubious for him to plant 8 eggs as opposed to the maximum five.

Having all these children didn't seem to make her happy.

[Caitlin.ann]

She is irresponsible. She's trying to raise 14 kids off student loans and food stamps and is about to lose her home. She's using her parents and in my opinion she doesn't deserve those kids let alone a tv show which is what she wants. She has proven herself to not be able to care for six kids, let alone 14. She's trying to do things many married couples can't who make more money. Though it would likely suck for them to be taken away by the state at least the state can care for them..either way it looks like the taxpayers will have to step in.

[iceskater12]

As a parent, I find it irresponsible, there are so many things I could say, but I'm going to have to restrain myself.

All I can say is people call me irresponsible for having a daughter and two more kids on the way at 16, at least I am emotionally and financially stable.

Nobody is ever going to be paying for my kids other than me, I would be depressed if I was a taxpayer in that area, I have my own kids to take care of.

[Glowy]

I love babies and children too. I am not obsessed with them.

I too feel she is irresponsible and selfish.

[WynterWynd]

What do I think of Octomom....well, for one, the name sounds like an evil villain from the Spiderman series....and I don't think much of her at all:meanhead:

I think she is nothing more than an attention whore. She is a pathetic bitch who needs some serious counseling, if not some time in a psych ward herself.

She shouldn't be offered anything for free or fee paid to her.
She opened her womb and KNEW that she had 8 babies in there, she knew what she was getting into. And I don't think she should be rewarded for her idiocy!

I think that her father should have to sign over the deed to the house to the state, so that in the even of a sale/foreclosure, that Cali can try to recoup some of the $$$$ they have already put out on this nut case. Any funds/payments that she receives for publicity of this atrocity should also have to be handed directly over to the state.

One IVF speciallist already said that since her first 'brood'....I guess that she has a couple sets of twins...that alone proved she was fertile already.

The cost of ONE IVF treatment in Cali is around $14,000....and I don't EVER remember MediCal covering IVF. If they have changed their pollicy, that's news to me. But then again, I had my tubes tied after 2.

Children are supposed be a gift.....a joy. Not something you collect like sea shells or to make up for the ****ed up childhood you 'claim' to have had.

Yeah, how do I feel about her....irritated as hell:flamer:

I think ALL the children should be removed from her custody and adopted out.
Let her collect BeanieBabies....or Cabbage Patch Babies.

[Philosophia]

I'm surprised I couldn't find anything through quick search on here. But before I state my opinions. I want to hear from you all.

Because it isn't really a political issue?

[WynterWynd]

Because it isn't really a political issue?

Nope, but its definitely one for the obnoxious time wasting news department...like the Enquirer/Globe:hahugh:

[Lunar Raven]

I really don't know a whole lot about "Octomom", but to me it seems like she probably just had these kids as a publicity stunt. I mean, she's getting so much un-needed publicity and attention out of this. I've seen her on the news, talk shows, etc. I honestly don't see the huge appeal..nor the reason why everyone is so worked up/interested over her...but it seems there IS a general interest.

Seriously though... all this hype...

She had a lot of kids, okay..great..maybe I can see a bit of interest..but the fact that she's on shows like "The Insider" every day is incredibly annoying and to me..rather pointless. Again, I just don't see the huge appeal.

At the same time though, I know lot of people wish that she'd just go away, and stop cashing in on her stupidity..but the more talk there is, the more attention she gets. All the controversy her actions create simply make her more publicly known and more wealthy. If that was her reason for having 8 more kids -- she's definitely achieving her goal.

But think of it this way...the more interviews/shows she does..the more money she gets. Obviously once she racks in a ton of income, she will no longer qualify for food-stamps/welfare..so you'll no longer be supporting her and her 14 kids.

Overall though, my opinion is this -- she already had a handful of kids and was on welfare, to have 8 more is ridiculous. Though at the same time, I care more about her kids than her stupidity..so if in the end she gets a bunch of money out of this -- and uses it to support them, I guess I'm okay with it. I'd rather see her do that, than have them live in an alley somewhere or support herself on tax-payers money.

I just pray that she doesn't have anymore.

[memnoch]

I want an octomom omelette...14 eggs, no sausage, and everyone else in the diner pays for it.

[bellamandu]

this is probably irrelevant, and i am not in the slightest defending her, but if i am thinking of the same person:
she was on tv just the other night talking about the "horrible miscarriage" she had. i think if the doctor is rotten enough this might be enough to warrant an ok for IVF through a state-sponsored program. or, for that matter, she could have even gotten an "independant" person or group pay for it, warranting she is good enough at throwing a pity party.

[Eldric_Dragonsblood]

Considering I am fully in support of a (voluntary) one or two child limit (not government regulated) for all humans on the planet.... it should be obvious.

[Lunar Raven]

I want an octomom omelette...14 eggs, no sausage, and everyone else in the diner pays for it.

I'll have what he's having.

Lol :o

[Little Billy]

I don't think about Octomom at all.

While you're bitching about her 14 kids, congress is sending a special delivery to your bunghole, kthxbye.

[PrincessKLS]

Because it isn't really a political issue?

Well it's becoming a political issue or economic issue because taxpayers are paying for this.

[PrincessKLS]

I want an octomom omelette...14 eggs, no sausage, and everyone else in the diner pays for it.

LOL, sounds tasty:mmm: but there's a horrible after taste and the diners who paid aren't too thrilled:uhhuhuh::hahugh:

[PrincessKLS]

Considering I am fully in support of a (voluntary) one or two child limit (not government regulated) for all humans on the planet.... it should be obvious.

I am too in favor of that. I decided in high school that when I grew up I didn't want but one or two kids.

In fact having 1-3 kids is so normal in America that I wonder if the government will ever step in and make it law that you can't have more then 3 or 4 to curb the world's population. Of course in America we wouldn't kill a child who's been born, we'd ask women to sterilize themselves medically, mandatory abortions (possibly), and that's it.

[Philosophia]

Well it's becoming a political issue or economic issue because taxpayers are paying for this.

Unless you phrase the question as an economic issue, it isn't going to become one. Simply asking what one thinks of it does not make it a political issue.

[Philosophia]

I am too in favor of that. I decided in high school that when I grew up I didn't want but one or two kids.

In fact having 1-3 kids is so normal in America that I wonder if the government will ever step in and make it law that you can't have more then 3 or 4 to curb the world's population. Of course in America we wouldn't kill a child who's been born, we'd ask women to sterilize themselves medically, mandatory abortions (possibly), and that's it.

While I'm absolutely against any governmental interference in telling people how many children they can have, why is it only women being asked to sterilize themselves medically? Mandatory abortions is out of the question and takes away the value of choice.

[Kraheera]

While I'm absolutely against any governmental interference in telling people how many children they can have, why is it only women being asked to sterilize themselves medically? Mandatory abortions is out of the question and takes away the value of choice.


I say we go for sterilizations in guys. It's less expensive, and let's face it... a girl can only be pregnant (naturally) with so many... a guy can impregnant so many women it boggles my mind. :)

Makes more sense, too... cause guys heal faster.

[Lunacie]

I think she should've received counseling before having those children and she definitely shouldn't have anymore. To my knowledge she was on SSDI prior to having her children so she couldn't had afford it unless SSDI or SSI has a special fertility program for low income mothers that I'm not aware of. And you have to have fertility problems before using IVF. Did she have problems, or did she get in contact with a dubious doctor? I think the ladder, it was dubious for him to plant 8 eggs as opposed to the maximum five.

Having all these children didn't seem to make her happy.


In other countries, docs may only implant 2 embroyos in younger women, while women over 40 may have 3 embroyos emplanted. Here in the U.S. it's left up to the doctor's best judgment how many embroyos to implant.

I believe Nadya Suleman's fertility doc should have his liscence to practice yanked forever. The latest news on him is that he implanted 7 (seven!) embroyos in a 49 year old woman who is also uninsured and therefore probably couldn't afford the treatments (she is pregnant with quads).

Note: he didn't implant 8 embroyos in Nadya Suleman. There were six embroyos, and two of them split into identical sets of twins.


ETA - I think I may have brought this into the realm of PP. :bigredgri

[PrincessKLS]

While I'm absolutely against any governmental interference in telling people how many children they can have, why is it only women being asked to sterilize themselves medically? Mandatory abortions is out of the question and takes away the value of choice.


Well I don't see it happening anytime soon but pendulums do swing from one side to another and even though I'm relevantly young, I've seen the pendulum swing in so many directions throughout my years. And yes you are right that men could also sterilize themselves, there's even some medical evidence to suggest a man could take the pill. And perhaps more men will sterilize themselves in the coming years.

[PrincessKLS]

In other countries, docs may only implant 2 embroyos in younger women, while women over 40 may have 3 embroyos emplanted. Here in the U.S. it's left up to the doctor's best judgment how many embroyos to implant.

I believe Nadya Suleman's fertility doc should have his liscence to practice yanked forever. The latest news on him is that he implanted 7 (seven!) embroyos in a 49 year old woman who is also uninsured and therefore probably couldn't afford the treatments (she is pregnant with quads).

Note: he didn't implant 8 embroyos in Nadya Suleman. There were six embroyos, and two of them split into identical sets of twins.


ETA - I think I may have brought this into the realm of PP. :bigredgri

Well I heard on the news that for IVF treatments, you can't plant more than 5 in the US.

[Lunacie]

Well I heard on the news that for IVF treatments, you can't plant more than 5 in the US.

Apparently that's a self-imposed limit, there isn't any government control at this point. Some state have bills pending now that would impose limits.

[LadyWinter]

This probably isnt a popular opinion but its mine.

She hasnt done anything that millions of people do every day. She was irresponsible and possibly selfish. How many people do you know that have kids and arent employed and cant afford them? Yet that doesnt seem to stop people.

Jon and Kate plus 8 have gotten help. They pimp out their kids on a tv show and so do the Duggars (wasnt their home built on Extrememe Makeover on ABC?) and there is a Duggars wedding special etc.

As for the doctor who did the IVF.... He was paid to provide a service. Look at plastic surgeons who do surgeries that arent really necessary. In a business, a business takes your money and provides a service.

She may be getting help but everytime you hear about a multiple birth you hear about all the help they get. She should not be an exception. Actually she is not getting the free diapers, cribs etc that others have gotten because of the backlash. Every multiple birth, in my opinion, is irresponsible, but people continue to do it and continue to get help.

We should not take her children away because she has a lot of them and is on welfare...or we should take the kids of everyone on welfare. She doesnt even have them home yet so they arent mistreated.

Do I think it was a good choice? No
Is it a choice I would make? No
Do I think she should have the right to choose? Yup.

Winter

[Lunacie]

This probably isnt a popular opinion but its mine.

She hasnt done anything that millions of people do every day. She was irresponsible and possibly selfish. How many people do you know that have kids and arent employed and cant afford them? Yet that doesnt seem to stop people.

Jon and Kate plus 8 have gotten help. They pimp out their kids on a tv show and so do the Duggars (wasnt their home built on Extrememe Makeover on ABC?) and there is a Duggars wedding special etc.

As for the doctor who did the IVF.... He was paid to provide a service. Look at plastic surgeons who do surgeries that arent really necessary. In a business, a business takes your money and provides a service.

She may be getting help but everytime you hear about a multiple birth you hear about all the help they get. She should not be an exception. Actually she is not getting the free diapers, cribs etc that others have gotten because of the backlash. Every multiple birth, in my opinion, is irresponsible, but people continue to do it and continue to get help.

We should not take her children away because she has a lot of them and is on welfare...or we should take the kids of everyone on welfare. She doesnt even have them home yet so they arent mistreated.

Do I think it was a good choice? No
Is it a choice I would make? No
Do I think she should have the right to choose? Yup.

Winter

The only thing I will say in response is that I see a big difference between a plastic surgeon whose work only affects one person and an IVF specialist who is involved in producing lots of babies who are very likely to have health and neurologic and other issues that may compromise the quality of their life. Fortunately most IVF specialists are responsible people and the occasions of more than 2 or 3 babies as a result of their work is pretty rare.

[PrincessKLS]

This probably isnt a popular opinion but its mine.

She hasnt done anything that millions of people do every day. She was irresponsible and possibly selfish. How many people do you know that have kids and arent employed and cant afford them? Yet that doesnt seem to stop people.

Jon and Kate plus 8 have gotten help. They pimp out their kids on a tv show and so do the Duggars (wasnt their home built on Extrememe Makeover on ABC?) and there is a Duggars wedding special etc.

As for the doctor who did the IVF.... He was paid to provide a service. Look at plastic surgeons who do surgeries that arent really necessary. In a business, a business takes your money and provides a service.

She may be getting help but everytime you hear about a multiple birth you hear about all the help they get. She should not be an exception. Actually she is not getting the free diapers, cribs etc that others have gotten because of the backlash. Every multiple birth, in my opinion, is irresponsible, but people continue to do it and continue to get help.

We should not take her children away because she has a lot of them and is on welfare...or we should take the kids of everyone on welfare. She doesnt even have them home yet so they arent mistreated.

Do I think it was a good choice? No
Is it a choice I would make? No
Do I think she should have the right to choose? Yup.

Winter

Well you have some good points, I have to admit but at least the people who pimp their kids out for TLC have/had real jobs prior and weren't just unmarried, welfare recipients. I don't approve of anybody having excessive kids just to get more gov' t money. No matter their marital status or ability to bear children naturally.

[Pagan Warrior]

Let her collect BeanieBabies....or Cabbage Patch Babies.

LMAO !!! That's awesome!!


i think if the doctor is rotten enough this might be enough to warrant an ok for IVF through a state-sponsored program. or, for that matter, she could have even gotten an "independant" person or group pay for it, warranting she is good enough at throwing a pity party.

If you cannot afford to support a child there's no reason the state should sponsor a program to help you get pregnant. That's just contributing to the problem in this country.


She hasnt done anything that millions of people do every day. She was irresponsible and possibly selfish. How many people do you know that have kids and arent employed and cant afford them? Yet that doesnt seem to stop people.

But 6 and 8 at a time ... and she found a way to pay for the IVF treatment, then she can find a way to pay for her children or have the removed from her custody. Just my 2 cents on the issue.


As for the doctor who did the IVF.... He was paid to provide a service. Look at plastic surgeons who do surgeries that arent really necessary. In a business, a business takes your money and provides a service.

Any doctor, whether a heart doctor or plastic surgeon, has an obligation to determine whether or not his/her patient is psychologically and physically up to the procedure. When someone wanders in to a fertility clinic with 6 children with the same birthdate, the doctor should have known better than to accept her business.


She may be getting help but everytime you hear about a multiple birth you hear about all the help they get. She should not be an exception. Actually she is not getting the free diapers, cribs etc that others have gotten because of the backlash. Every multiple birth, in my opinion, is irresponsible, but people continue to do it and continue to get help.

She should not get anything free because of two reasons: 1. This is her SECOND time having a litter and 2. She intentionally had multiple children at one time.


We should not take her children away because she has a lot of them and is on welfare...or we should take the kids of everyone on welfare. She doesnt even have them home yet so they arent mistreated.

Eventually, I believe she is going to run out of options and those kids are going to suffer. Perhaps not take them away, but CPS has a duty to do a serious investigation into her ability to provide those children a healthy lifestyle. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so because she is filling a void in her own existance with an abundance of children so she can get the love she probably was not given at a young age. What's going to happen to her (or them) when they reach an age where they are separating themselves from their mother? That natural process of "spreading your wings" ... that's going to be 8x as hard on her at minimum ... then what? Have another litter?

I'm not necessarily saying the state should take them away, but she should be required to regularly visit with a counselor in order to keep them because she's obviously missing something in herself.

[Vampiel]

I say we go for sterilizations in guys. It's less expensive, and let's face it... a girl can only be pregnant (naturally) with so many... a guy can impregnant so many women it boggles my mind. :)

Makes more sense, too... cause guys heal faster.

Thanks for that interesting mental image. :rotfl:

[Kraheera]

Thanks for that interesting mental image. :rotfl:


:giggle: I know, I couldn't help myself. Can you imagine a guy running around with his pants halfway to his ankles in an effort to have sex with as many women as possible?
'
Sad thing is... I know guys that did that. They "disliked" the condom, and a lot of girls ended up pregnant because of that. Frankly, I get disgusted by folks that don't at least TRY to avoid accidents like that.

[Vampiel]

:giggle: I know, I couldn't help myself. Can you imagine a guy running around with his pants halfway to his ankles in an effort to have sex with as many women as possible?
'
Sad thing is... I know guys that did that. They "disliked" the condom, and a lot of girls ended up pregnant because of that. Frankly, I get disgusted by folks that don't at least TRY to avoid accidents like that.

Just as much her fault as it is his.

At one point I thought I might have been that way but thats not really me. I have to at least have a certian amount of respect for you and know you a bit.

That or be really smokin hot but that just means ive lost all self control. :lol:

[bellamandu]

LMAO !!! That's awesome!!



If you cannot afford to support a child there's no reason the state should sponsor a program to help you get pregnant. That's just contributing to the problem in this country.



But 6 and 8 at a time ... and she found a way to pay for the IVF treatment, then she can find a way to pay for her children or have the removed from her custody. Just my 2 cents on the issue.



Any doctor, whether a heart doctor or plastic surgeon, has an obligation to determine whether or not his/her patient is psychologically and physically up to the procedure. When someone wanders in to a fertility clinic with 6 children with the same birthdate, the doctor should have known better than to accept her business.



She should not get anything free because of two reasons: 1. This is her SECOND time having a litter and 2. She intentionally had multiple children at one time.



Eventually, I believe she is going to run out of options and those kids are going to suffer. Perhaps not take them away, but CPS has a duty to do a serious investigation into her ability to provide those children a healthy lifestyle. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so because she is filling a void in her own existance with an abundance of children so she can get the love she probably was not given at a young age. What's going to happen to her (or them) when they reach an age where they are separating themselves from their mother? That natural process of "spreading your wings" ... that's going to be 8x as hard on her at minimum ... then what? Have another litter?

I'm not necessarily saying the state should take them away, but she should be required to regularly visit with a counselor in order to keep them because she's obviously missing something in herself.


im not saying that this is what should happen, but more than likely what did happen. either some sort of state medical program or an independent sponsor.

mind you, "independent sponsor" was bolded for a reason. :thumbsup:

[Terra Mater]

I say we go for sterilizations in guys. It's less expensive, and let's face it... a girl can only be pregnant (naturally) with so many... a guy can impregnant so many women it boggles my mind. :)

Makes more sense, too... cause guys heal faster.

Actually, that has been the sexist school of thought for decades. Welfare programs will pay for sterilization for men all day long, but seldom extends the same option for women.

In addition, men can opt for sterilization anytime after the 18th birthday, but women often must wait until their 30's.

I say that anyone who wants to be sterilized should be allowed to as long as they are of legal age.

[Clair de la Lune]

I read that her Mom is really upset at her because she can't even take care of the 6 she already has. 2 of the 6 at home are on disability, and she gets paid for them. She is also on food stamps. Her Mom was livid she had the procedure done, because she has 6 she is "not capable of taking care of".

She had the sperm stored at a facility since I think it was 1996 from a friend who was married at the time (and the DNA tests have yet to be done). He is supposedly the Father of all 14 of her kids and did it because she supposedly had ovarian cancer at the time and a limited window in which she could have children. He said he would help her out of friendship financially whether they turn out to be his or not.

Her Father recently bought her a 2,000 something square foot home in California and it cost him over $500,000.

She has always wanted to be a single Mother.

She is getting multi-million dollar book and TV deals, with Oprah leading the way on the interview circuit bids. Corporate sponsors have pulled out because they are disgusted with her story and what is coming out about it just keeps sounding worse and worse about her.

A non-profit organization has pledged to have a nurse there helping her take care of the babies and kids 24 hours a day "round the clock" for at least 6 months, a gift from Dr. Phil, after he saw that she put out an add asking for money.

Just her babies' deliveries and the aftercare in the hospital is going to cost the taxpayers $3 million.

What do I think? I think she is a scammer.

If you want my sources or the articles, just ask.

[WynterWynd]

Thanks for that interesting mental image. :rotfl:

Oh come on, you guys know your as baby producing as ferals cats! :lol:


I would like to know how on earth, since she is on state aide and SSI, that she (according to the words that came out of HER mouth) paying for this $500,000+ home?

And this dr should be held responsible for the octo-births and the most recent implantation on a 49 (it is a 49 year old right) woman?

I think that if a woman wants to be sterilized, her age shouldn't matter. Making them wait till they are 30+ is stupid. I had my tubes tied at 28. My choice. Dr was already in there with a c-section anyway.

And what happened to the phsycological/background checks that were 'supposed' to be done on IVF patients....or has that all just gone by the wayside?

[Glowingsun]

First, octomom is not her name. Comon' people she's a human being with a real name and no one has class enough to figure it out or even care. And, nobody's perfect or perfectly responsible. We all make mistakes and bring on inconveniences into our lives. Do we reallt have to go on and on about how many kids she's got. I think people are just obsessed about her. Who's feeding who the fame? This mom is drowning in attention that you all give her and you wonder why she does things for attention. Helloooooo.

Secondly, whats done is done. Whether we want to or not those babies are here to stay. I don't believe she will be able to keep those babies unless she is better mom than the tabloids make you think.

[Phoenix Blue]

We all make mistakes and bring on inconveniences into our lives.
Most of us are smart enough not to do it 14 times in a row.

[Lunacie]

First, octomom is not her name. Comon' people she's a human being with a real name and no one has class enough to figure it out or even care. And, nobody's perfect or perfectly responsible. We all make mistakes and bring on inconveniences into our lives. Do we reallt have to go on and on about how many kids she's got. I think people are just obsessed about her. Who's feeding who the fame? This mom is drowning in attention that you all give her and you wonder why she does things for attention. Helloooooo.

Secondly, whats done is done. Whether we want to or not those babies are here to stay. I don't believe she will be able to keep those babies unless she is better mom than the tabloids make you think.

Ahem... not correct to say that "no one" has used Nadya's name instead of calling her "octomom". :wave:

However, I can understand the reasoning behind using the nickname, she herself has said that having babies, babies, and more babies is her sole passion and apparently her only reason for living. And yeah, people are going to talk about her, but that doesn't necessarily mean any of us are "obsessed" with her.

[Lunacie]

Most of us are smart enough not to do it 14 times in a row.

Do what 14 times in a row?

There were only 6 trips to the labor/delivery room... 4 singles, a double, an an 8-pack.

[Kraheera]

Actually, that has been the sexist school of thought for decades. Welfare programs will pay for sterilization for men all day long, but seldom extends the same option for women.

In addition, men can opt for sterilization anytime after the 18th birthday, but women often must wait until their 30's.

I say that anyone who wants to be sterilized should be allowed to as long as they are of legal age.


Trust me, I know. You should see the military's restrictions. Though from their point of view, it makes sense. You see, we women WANT children, even if we think we DON'T. So they refuse to give us sterilization unless having a child would kill us before the age of (i think) 28, though it might be 30.

A man, however, hardly has it any easier. He has to wait for a vesectomy (Paid for by the DoD, anyways) until he's 26.

ME? I think that if you join the military, you should be required to be on at least a good birth control program. Having children does and will interfere with work. You can't deploy (and that is our job) if you are pregnant, nor for 6 months afterwards. Trying to get back into shape after pregnancy is tough, and you only have 6 months to get to the level the military wants you to attain.

I'm all for choice, and rights... but in the military, you lose many of the rights you fight for.

[WitchJezebel]

Trust me, I know. You should see the military's restrictions. Though from their point of view, it makes sense. You see, we women WANT children, even if we think we DON'T. So they refuse to give us sterilization unless having a child would kill us before the age of (i think) 28, though it might be 30.

30??? I'm 41 and I've been asking my gyno to tie my tubes for the last 5 years and she keeps trying to talk me out of it. I love her as a doctor and I won't switch; she's been fantastic with some health issues I've had - but I have no children and don't want any and yet she still says she'd rather not have me do the surgery. I'm going to have to hold her down for better answers next time - I really need to discuss the pros and cons.

Back on topic, when this first came to light in another thread, I said that it was nobody's business how many kids Nadya had and it's still not. She, in turn, made it everyone's business by being an attention whore. I do have to say that as time has gone on I don't like the fact that she's hoping/expecting the general public should help her financially. It's sad because on the one hand you don't want these children to suffer, but on the other I shouldn't have to support her kids.

[memnoch]

Do what 14 times in a row?

There were only 6 trips to the labor/delivery room... 4 singles, a double, an an 8-pack.

sounds more like a trip to a liquor store, I bought 4 singles, a double, and an 8 pack.

[memnoch]

30??? I'm 41 and I've been asking my gyno to tie my tubes for the last 5 years and she keeps trying to talk me out of it. I love her as a doctor and I won't switch; she's been fantastic with some health issues I've had - but I have no children and don't want any and yet she still says she'd rather not have me do the surgery. I'm going to have to hold her down for better answers next time - I really need to discuss the pros and cons.

Back on topic, when this first came to light in another thread, I said that it was nobody's business how many kids Nadya had and it's still not. She, in turn, made it everyone's business by being an attention whore. I do have to say that as time has gone on I don't like the fact that she's hoping/expecting the general public should help her financially. It's sad because on the one hand you don't want these children to suffer, but on the other I shouldn't have to support her kids.

It is every taxpayers business as we are their providers.

[WitchJezebel]

It is every taxpayers business as we are their providers.

Dude, I just said that she made it everyone's business. Pay attention. :lol:

smooches!

[memnoch]

Dude, I just said that she made it everyone's business. Pay attention. :lol:

smooches!

you said it was still nobodies business, but that she made it their business by being an attention whore...I just pointed out that since we pay for them it is our business

smooches back at ya!
:p

[WitchJezebel]

you said it was still nobodies business, but that she made it their business by being an attention whore...I just pointed out that since we pay for them it is our business

smooches back at ya!
:p

Fair enough, point taken. You're such a brat...

[memnoch]

Fair enough, point taken. You're such a brat...

yeah, but you like it

[Vampiel]

Oh come on, you guys know your as baby producing as ferals cats! :lol:

Eh im not to much into baby producing, I dont have any either, but I like the initial process just a matter of making sure the other stuff doesnt happen afterwards. :rollingla

[Vampiel]

First, octomom is not her name. Comon' people she's a human being with a real name and no one has class enough to figure it out or even care. And, nobody's perfect or perfectly responsible. We all make mistakes and bring on inconveniences into our lives. Do we reallt have to go on and on about how many kids she's got. I think people are just obsessed about her. Who's feeding who the fame? This mom is drowning in attention that you all give her and you wonder why she does things for attention. Helloooooo.

Secondly, whats done is done. Whether we want to or not those babies are here to stay. I don't believe she will be able to keep those babies unless she is better mom than the tabloids make you think.

Actually ive never even heard of this Octomom and no I dont care what her name is.

Just from the jist of the thread sounds like shes some loser mooching off the system and perfectly ok with not attempting to change that.

Theyre all over the place, nothing I can do about em. I just feel for the children.

A lifetime mooch that takes my money if that is the case, if it werent for the children she could drop off the planet tommorow and I would be glad.

[WynterWynd]

Eh im not to much into baby producing, I dont have any either, but I like the initial process just a matter of making sure the other stuff doesnt happen afterwards. :rollingla

:rotfl:

[WitchJezebel]

Okay, somebody posted this joke on another site I go to:

By the way, did you hear of the new special at Denny's?
"The Nadia Suleman" - 8 eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you pays

I didn't make it up, I'm just relaying it. But I'll admit I laughed.

[memnoch]

Okay, somebody posted this joke on another site I go to:

By the way, did you hear of the new special at Denny's?
"The Nadia Suleman" - 8 eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you pays

I didn't make it up, I'm just relaying it. But I'll admit I laughed.

I've seen a joke like that somewhere before
http://mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?p=3889602&postcount=14

:p

[WitchJezebel]

I've seen a joke like that somewhere before
http://mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?p=3889602&postcount=14

:p

:lol:

Guess the jokes are rampant!

[Morgane]

Because I am sick to death of hearing about this woman and I feel that talking about her is only adding fuel to her fire, I will only address one thing.

NO ONE should be allowed to reproduce while on welfare.

Welfare should not be considered a "career".

If you have children or are pregnant when you are forced to go on welfare, you should sign on agreeing to forfeit your benefits should become pregnant with another child while receiving benefits.

This is fair.

If you can't support yourself and the family that you already have, don't bring any more into the world.

And, this would go a very long way towards health care reform!

On a side note...

Years ago, in the state of Kentucky, vasectomy reversals and some infertility treatments were covered under Medicaid. I'm not sure whether they still are or not...

[LadyWinter]

Most of us are smart enough not to do it 14 times in a row.

LOL have you heard of the Duggars??? 18 kids and if God gives them more they will have more...homeschooled of course...and brought up in their religion...Someday they may take over the world :uhhuhuh:

[LadyWinter]

I would just like to add that TLC has YET ANOTHER show about people with tons of kids called just the 12 of us...they had two sets of twins and then septuplets.

I should think most people would stop after 4....and yet they are getting all sorts of free stuff and paid to pimp out their kids on a show.

Woot!

Winter
wanting to get rich off of multiple births....NOT

[Phoenix Blue]

LOL have you heard of the Duggars??? 18 kids and if God gives them more they will have more...homeschooled of course...and brought up in their religion...Someday they may take over the world :uhhuhuh:
Y'know, what scares me is that you're right -- the extremists will keep multiplying like amoebas while the people whom I'd trust to run the country selectively breed themselves out of existence.

[SphinYote]

Y'know, what scares me is that you're right -- the extremists will keep multiplying like amoebas while the people whom I'd trust to run the country selectively breed themselves out of existence.

*Plots, considers ways for Yotelings to take over the world*

But, even if I get paid to raise them, i wouldn't want to deal with that many.

*Considers*

If I want my genes to continue in the human race, it would be better for my mental health to just donate my eggs. Or sell them. Yeah. That way I'd make money from my eggs, and someone else would pay the expenses of raising the little Yotelings. And I wouldn't have to deal with the glory that was me in my childhood multiplied by however many times.

Hmm. :deviltail.

[Druchii]

I try not to think of that woman because I don't want the endless resonating mental "Whys?" to echo in my head any longer.

Far be it from me to berate the woman but my main concern is for the welfare of her children. The fact that she is pulling them all into her own overblown media circus.

Disturbing. In the VERY least.

[Morgane]

Nadya has fired the "Angels in Waiting" team that were there to help her with the chlidren. According the debate between her lawyer and AIW lawyer on Dr. Phil this past week, they were fired because they "interfered". The only interference that I understood from the show was that they reported her to childrens services for endangering the babies on 3 different occasions. (As a health care provider, they are mandated to report anything of risk to the children.)

Non-English speaking nannies were hired with positive tb skin tests, before further diagnosis or treatment was done.

From the 5 days that the AIW team WAS there, Nadya spent the majority of that time "shopping", and rarely even entered the nursery. They had to go get her and ask her to feed them.

This was all stated by the AIW spokesperson on the Dr. Phil show, a registered nurse who was actually inside the home. The lawyer for Nadya didn't dispute the facts, but the nannies with the positive tb skin tests were removed from the home.

The new group that Nadya has employed after firing AIW is not mandated to report concerns within the house, but from the show, it is my understanding that there is still one person in the house who has to report to childrens services.

Did anyone else see the show?

[Kraheera]

It's bad of me to say this... but I seriously hope taht woman gets hit by a truck... I really do. Perhaps not dead, but paralyzed at the least.

Seriously damaged. At least then her outside will match her insides, and those lovely children will be put in better homes. Hell, even Foster Care would be better than Suleman's home with everything that is going on.

[aluokaloo]

i have absolutely no opinion of her whatsoever

[Clair de la Lune]

Just think of the lovely warped views she is teaching those kids...

how to leach off society,

how to successfully get what you want, damn the consequences,

how to screw people over,

how to successfully NOT raise your kids,

how to NOT be responsible as an adult,

how to NOT be responsible with your (or other people's) money,

how to neglect and endanger those you "love".

It's just staggering. I'm quite sure I can come up with many other things to add to the list.

[PrincessKLS]

I'm just curious of how the kids will be like when they grow up.

[SphinYote]

Just think of the lovely warped views she is teaching those kids...

how to leach off society,

how to successfully get what you want, damn the consequences,

how to screw people over,

how to successfully NOT raise your kids,

how to NOT be responsible as an adult,

how to NOT be responsible with your (or other people's) money,

how to neglect and endanger those you "love".

It's just staggering. I'm quite sure I can come up with many other things to add to the list.

With luck they'll grow up to rebel against her, and thus be productive members of society. (We can all dream can't we?)

[PrincessKLS]

With luck they'll grow up to rebel against her, and thus be productive members of society. (We can all dream can't we?)


You can only hope.

[PrincessKLS]

It's bad of me to say this... but I seriously hope taht woman gets hit by a truck... I really do. Perhaps not dead, but paralyzed at the least.

Seriously damaged. At least then her outside will match her insides, and those lovely children will be put in better homes. Hell, even Foster Care would be better than Suleman's home with everything that is going on.

I surprised she hasn't lost her children to CPS yet. I'm sorry but I honestly feel she's unstable. I still remember her telling an interviewer that being an only child left her depressed so that's why she had so many. Is she happy? Will she try to have more? I know not everyone has children for all the right reasons but this an obviously bad reason.

Out of all these women who seek fame with multiple births and children, who in your opinion is the worse?

The Duggars?, Jon and Kate?, the new "Table for 12 family, Octomom, or others? and why?

[Morgane]

I don't watch the reality shows that some of them have, but I have heard them interviewed.

Nadya seems to be the most unstable of the bunch, so I would have to deem her the worse. I think she has more potential for disaster, and the poor kids are going to pay for her mistakes for a very long time.

[PrincessKLS]

I don't watch the reality shows that some of them have, but I have heard them interviewed.

Nadya seems to be the most unstable of the bunch, so I would have to deem her the worse. I think she has more potential for disaster, and the poor kids are going to pay for her mistakes for a very long time.


I agree. And the others like the Duggars get a lot of flack for being different but at least they've raised their kids and not had to have a nanny or more. Plus the father was a US rep at some point so they have the money not to mention to they hold down real estate selling jobs.

[BlueMoon13]

Just think of the lovely warped views she is teaching those kids...

how to leach off society,

how to successfully get what you want, damn the consequences,

how to screw people over,

how to successfully NOT raise your kids,

how to NOT be responsible as an adult,

how to NOT be responsible with your (or other people's) money,

how to neglect and endanger those you "love".

It's just staggering. I'm quite sure I can come up with many other things to add to the list.

Well put Clair.

There have been groups of people "teaching" these skills to their children for YEARS in this country, and that's how we have gone to from "relief" to "welfare" to "entitlements." That's how there are whole segments of this society who feel "entitled" to live off those who actually work for a living.

Suleman just sticks out more because she spits out whole hives of parasites on society at a time instead of the usual one or two at a time. (This is not a slam against her children, so I don't want to hear any bitching about me picking on them.)

By implanting so many embryos she and her doctor where purposely endangering all of them, and should be prosecuted on several counts of child endangerment and he SHOULD have his liscense to practice yanked. He's already been removed from the rolls of the ACOG (American College of Obs. and Gyn) for grossly violating their IVF guidelines. I'm sure he thought he was going to be as much of an adored celebrity in his circles as Suleman thought she was going to be. They are both beneath contempt and the state of California should go after both him AND the sperm donor for child support.

[Raven Reed]

My opinion is that this woman is so far around the bend mentally that I am not sure she is even capable of realizing what she has done. That is where I believe the doctor who performed the implantations to be culpable and should be paying for the support of those babies until adulthood.

Also, her parents are enabling her to be that irresponsible. Perhaps if she hadn't had everything handed to her with the first SIX kids, she might have had second thoughts about the last litter.

Don't get me wrong, when I was in deep distress, my mom took me and my two sons in, without question or condemnation. However, I didn't then drop another twelve babies...

I am hoping, for the sake of the kids and her parents, that the kids are placed into a more stable home.

[Glowingsun]

O.k did she know how many implantations the doctor did? If not, 8 babies isn't entirely her fault. Just because she had 6 other kids doesn't mean that someting after happened for her to have difficulty conceiving again. And some women have these miracle babies after they have already had one artificially. I still think we shouldn't judge unless we actually get to know her personally. It's like blindly judging a mother having a bad day when she's out in with her kids and yelling at them.

[VioletJadeWolf]

Honestly, I don't think much of her. I think she's highly irresponsible.

[Raven Reed]

She is a single woman, not working, living in her parents' house, getting help raising six kids all under the age of seven, all of which were from artificial insemination, from her mom. She KNOWINGLY had 6 embryos implanted and two split into twins, making for 8 babies... This is after her mom BEGGED her not to have more babies because she, the grandmother, was overwhelmed. I think I can judge.

Don't get me wrong, some of my favorite people are single parents. I am a single parent. However, I don't know many couples that can provide an adequate level of care for that many kids and certainly no single parent! And if you can't take care of the current brood on your own, what on earth gives you the right to keep going and go for six more all at once???


O.k did she know how many implantations the doctor did? If not, 8 babies isn't entirely her fault. Just because she had 6 other kids doesn't mean that someting after happened for her to have difficulty conceiving again. And some women have these miracle babies after they have already had one artificially. I still think we shouldn't judge unless we actually get to know her personally. It's like blindly judging a mother having a bad day when she's out in with her kids and yelling at them.

[Lunacie]

O.k did she know how many implantations the doctor did? If not, 8 babies isn't entirely her fault. Just because she had 6 other kids doesn't mean that someting after happened for her to have difficulty conceiving again. And some women have these miracle babies after they have already had one artificially. I still think we shouldn't judge unless we actually get to know her personally. It's like blindly judging a mother having a bad day when she's out in with her kids and yelling at them.

Yes. She knew how many embroyos were left, and she knew that this would be the last pregnancy, so she asked the doctor to implant them all because otherwise in her mind those were babies who would die.

edited to add: that's the same reason she wouldn't consider reducing the number of fetuses.

[experimentation626]

O.k did she know how many implantations the doctor did? If not, 8 babies isn't entirely her fault. Just because she had 6 other kids doesn't mean that someting after happened for her to have difficulty conceiving again. And some women have these miracle babies after they have already had one artificially. I still think we shouldn't judge unless we actually get to know her personally. It's like blindly judging a mother having a bad day when she's out in with her kids and yelling at them.

I can't remember if all or just a few of her prior 6 kids came from the same fertilized batch of eggs as her new 8, but she basically went in for artificial insemination both times willfully and knowingly unable to financially provide for the children.

I think I've gotten to know her as personally as I want to; avoiding knowing her quirks and antics is a little difficult given how eager she is to throw herself and her story in the public's eye. I watched her bizarre interview on Dr. Phil, and the fact that she's had trouble keeping a publicity agent and a lawyer on hand tells me plenty. The entertainment industry loves a good scandal; it SELLS, period. And yet, despite that philosophy of greed over discomfort, after enough time with her, no one seems to think the potential profit is worth the personal aggravation of dealing with her.

I personally hope CPS takes the kids; I honestly think being 'raised' by her would screw those kids over for a lifetime.

[PrincessKLS]

I agree. And the others like the Duggars get a lot of flack for being different but at least they've raised their kids and not had to have a nanny or more. Plus the father was a US rep at some point so they have the money not to mention to they hold down real estate selling jobs.

Although I strongly disagree with their beliefs and the more I think about them, I wonder why one cult like family gets a reality show but other cults don't get one, :bigredgri

I mean you don't see the FLDS get one. And I was thinking a few years ago there was another Quiverfull family that had 11 children and was shown TLC and one of their children rebelled, moved in with a boyfriend(or got kicked out of the house for apparently getting pregnant). I was thinking they were quiverfull. I know it's a small sect in Christianity but with their beliefs they can cause social, financial, and environmental havoc.

[PrincessKLS]

Also I wonder why more women don't opt for embryo reduction, (or getting rid of a few of them) when they have to go on IVF. I think IVF treatments are good for some women because some women do have trouble but I wonder how many of them only have one, two, or three at a time as opposed to 4-8?

[Kraheera]

Also I wonder why more women don't opt for embryo reduction, (or getting rid of a few of them) when they have to go on IVF. I think IVF treatments are good for some women because some women do have trouble but I wonder how many of them only have one, two, or three at a time as opposed to 4-8?

Most doctors will only plant 2-3 embryos at a time when doing IVF, to try to avoid multiples.

Multiples are a VERY bad thing in most fertility doc eyes, because they are so dangerous for both mum and children. The human body can only comfortably carry one, though it can carry up to 3 (very rare), and anything over two is so high risk that most docs will send you to a specialist.

the military won't even treat you if you have twins, at least not where I'm at. They send you to a civilian hospital.