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Flar's Freyja
November 2nd, 2002, 07:00 PM
Just sharing this bit of news with you all - I think we need a "News" thread :)

Wiccans Offer Alternative to Boy Scouts
By Michael L. Betsch
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 31, 2002

http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200210/CUL20021031b.html

(CNSNews.com) - Frustrated by an unsuccessful campaign
to achieve religious recognition from the Boy Scouts
of America, a Seattle-based Wicca church has launched
its own youth program, which is based on tolerance for
different beliefs, including differences in sexual
orientation.

SpiralScouts founder Pete 'Pathfinder' Davis believes
that many of the things the Boy Scouts are doing are
"socially inappropriate." He said he created to the
SpiralScouts to "fill the void left by prejudicial
treatment of other established children's programs."

Davis, who serves as the Archpriest of the Wiccan
Aquarian Tabernacle Church, said his main argument
with the BSA is that the group has refused to
recognize Wicca as an acceptable form of worship, but
at the same time, the BSA incorporates the symbols of
myriad Christian denominations into its Religious
Emblems program.

He said the Scouts rejected a Wicca badge that was
designed and submitted by a well-known Wiccan
priestess.

In 1999, Davis created the SpiralScouts as the
Aquarian Tabernacle Church's "answer" to the Boy
Scouts and other youth organizations that subscribe
only to "traditional" faiths. Today, the SpiralScouts
welcomes children of all ages (four and up) and
backgrounds, including Wiccans, pagans, atheists and
homosexuals.

Davis said practicing Wicca is not a mandatory
activity for the 50 SpiralScout units currently
operating across the U.S., Canada and Switzerland.
Beyond fostering a respect for nature, it is up to
each SpiralScout unit leader to decide whether they
will teach children the principles and philosophy of
the Wiccan religion.

The vast majority of the SpiralScout units are
operated by Wiccan groups and churches, he said.

"When we started to formalize the program, we designed
it in a fashion that it's oriented towards earth
religion, but so is Scouting, whether they realize it
or not," Davis said. Unlike the "pervasive" use of
Christianity contained within the BSA, the
SpiralScouts was created to accommodate the spiritual
beliefs of any minority religious group, he said.

SpiralScouts describes itself as a work in progress.
It says it offers children the opportunity to develop
interpersonal and life skills and a pagan world view,
in addition to learning "the usual handicrafts of
scouting and woodland lore."

Boy Scouts dismiss rejection

According to BSA spokesman Gregg Shields, religious
emblems are the property of approved religious
scouting organizations and are awarded at their own
discretion. For example, he said the National Catholic
Council on Scouting and the National Jewish Committee
on Scouting each have their own unique religious
emblem.

"There is no national Wiccan organization," Shields
said. "So, that's why there is no religious award for
Wiccans."

He encouraged any Wiccan group that would like to
charter a troop in their community to submit an
application to their local BSA council for
consideration.

Focus on tolerance

According to the SpiralScouts membership requirements,
it is imperative that parents and leaders promote
religious and cultural tolerance so their children may
learn to co-exist with society as a whole.
Specifically, the group encourages children to accept
the "differing roles of male and female throughout
nature and culture."

Contrary to the Boy Scout policy of excluding
homosexuals - a policy upheld by the U.S. Supreme
Court - the SpiralScouts welcomes homosexuals within
its ranks. Davis explained that the Wiccan religion
accommodates homosexuals because its philosophy is
focused on the "balance of polarities" of that exist
in nature.

For example, Davis said the SpiralScouts mandates that
leaders of individual units should include both a male
and a female. However, he said the rules are flexible
because some adults, such as homosexuals, "believe
themselves to be embodying masculine or feminine
characteristics."

Davis believes that such a male/female balance of
leadership ensures a SpiralScout's positive
integration into the real world. "Children are not
born with prejudices," he noted. "They have to learn
prejudice and intolerance from others."

Defiance of 'extreme right'

According to the group's handbook, "SpiralScouts is
something new, something perhaps of historic
proportions for modern Paganism. It certainly will
have an unmistakable impact on Pagan children growing
up in this era of Christian extreme-right domination
of our culture."

According to the SpiralScouts' interpretation of the
pagan philosophy, children participating in the
program will learn to honor "both the maleness and
femaleness we all harbor within us," as the handbook
put it. "Perhaps, if we are lucky, even a few parents
who may need some brushing up on these same skills may
reap benefits just from being there with the children
while the kids learn these things."

See Earlier Story:
Boy Scouts to Atheist: Accept A God or Get Out (30
Oct. 2002)

FlamedLilly
November 3rd, 2002, 12:06 AM
I think this is great!

Phoenix Blue
November 3rd, 2002, 12:57 AM
It's hardly anything new, though. :) Spiral Scouts has been around for probably two or three years now, at the least.

Flar's Freyja
November 3rd, 2002, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix_Blue
It's hardly anything new, though. :) Spiral Scouts has been around for probably two or three years now, at the least.

:razz: :D

That's even more encouraging, actually. Sounds like they're building a good foundation.

Mythrel
November 4th, 2002, 12:07 AM
I saw on the news today about a boy scout who was about as good as they get being kicked out of the boy scouts because he is an atheist...goes against the BSA policies...

so I am all for this...this sounds cool and I hope it is more accepting of people's beliefs than the BSA are...

Flar's Freyja
November 4th, 2002, 12:18 AM
At the end of the above article, there's a note that they did another story on this:

See Earlier Story:
Boy Scouts to Atheist: Accept A God or Get Out (30
Oct. 2002)

http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200210/CUL20021031b.html

I haven't had time to read it yet either. Just wanted to point it out in case it wasn't noticed.

Sowelu
November 4th, 2002, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Mythrel
I saw on the news today about a boy scout who was about as good as they get being kicked out of the boy scouts because he is an atheist...goes against the BSA policies...

so I am all for this...this sounds cool and I hope it is more accepting of people's beliefs than the BSA are...

Yep! Saw the same news story this morning about a boy who is on the verdge of getting kicked out because he did not believe in "God"......
However, they do not give any precise definition of which "God"........;)

Yvonne Belisle
November 4th, 2002, 09:29 AM
Just so you know I tried to join spiral scouts for my boys but all I got was an email or two that gave me no real information I was very dissapointed.

Flar's Freyja
November 4th, 2002, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Yvonne Thomas
Just so you know I tried to join spiral scouts for my boys but all I got was an email or two that gave me no real information I was very dissapointed.

Was it a local address or their main one? I noticed in the article that they're looking for people to start up chapters and maybe they thought that's what you wanted to do? You might try informing them of that problem.

Mythrel
November 4th, 2002, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by JadeDragonfly
Yep! Saw the same news story this morning about a boy who is on the verdge of getting kicked out because he did not believe in "God"......
However, they do not give any precise definition of which "God"........;)

true, and the guy in question is an atheist...therefore no belief in a God period...

Wyrdsister
November 4th, 2002, 03:04 PM
There has been a Spiral Scouts chapter in my city for just over a year now. Mind you, they are unfortunately on hiatus as the Spiral Scouts leader is now working full time on her education degree and she could not find someone to take it over. She plans to start up again next year when her studies are completed.

Yvonne, were you trying to join a local chapter or find out if there was one in your area?

Wyrdsister

Yvonne Belisle
November 4th, 2002, 10:57 PM
It was the PA branch and I specifically asked for a troup for my boys to join. :(

WandererInGray
November 5th, 2002, 09:49 AM
Yvonne,

Here you go....try this.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pa_spiral_scouts/

That one's for the local PA groups, someone there might be able to help.
And this one is for the national group....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiralscouts/

:)

Yvonne Belisle
November 5th, 2002, 11:23 AM
That first one is the one that sent me all the info with no answers

WandererInGray
November 5th, 2002, 11:43 AM
Lovely. :(

One of the biggest problems (like the Boy Scouts) is that the local groups are made up of local people. If they're unwilling, or unable to help you....there's not really much you can do except start your own group.

*smiles* Go to the Spiral Scouts main page and look for resources. If you want to do this for your sons bad enough I'd suggest finding some like minded people in the area and starting your own group.

Gwion
November 9th, 2002, 05:07 PM
But I don't agree with their "accomodating" policy. What is the age range here, like 8-13 yr olds? They don't need to be around that kind of "accomodation."

Phoenix Blue
November 10th, 2002, 12:14 AM
That's something of a misnomer. Homosexuals don't molest children, pedophiliacs do.

jcldragon
July 24th, 2003, 12:40 PM
I heard of a case where a local BSA group was sooooo dominated by some extreme Fundamentalist Christians, that a Pagan started a Spiral Scouts group, and most of the mainstream Christian parents decided to switch over...

gothic_child
May 17th, 2004, 01:53 PM
Where in the UK is the nearest SpiralScouts meeting place in bedfordshire. i'm realy interested in this as my Girl Guide group more to point forced christianity on me as it was linked to St Saviours Tabernacle of Truth Church (catholic.). i didnt stay long as i didnt like having a religion i couldnt stand being forced upon me.
From Gothic_Child.

Pesha
May 17th, 2004, 03:08 PM
Oh how I wish this had been around when my boy was in Scouts.!!!

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