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faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 03:38 AM
I've been trying to find online bible classes like I've found some online pagan/witchcraft schools (touchofenchantment.com, MW's school, witchschool.com) and so far I've found nothing but CRAP!

>_<

Does anyone know of any good online places for studying the Bible/Christianity/Abrahamic faiths?

Or do you maybe have some experiences with them? Ones to stay away from?

(And they have to be free...)

The one I'm on now is gospelway.com and it is laughable how stupid and narrow minded they are.

Infinite Grey
March 21st, 2009, 03:46 AM
The one I'm on now is gospelway.com and it is laughable how stupid and narrow minded they are.


That's about all you'll find. But there is this site (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/) it is very good.

faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 03:50 AM
Thanks. It sucks that I'm just going to have to deal with stupid teachings for the most part. The link is interesting though.

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 03:52 AM
Are you looking for mainline Christian teachings?
A certain sect's teachings (Catholic, Baptist, etc)?

Knowing what POV you're interested in would help.
;)

faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 04:10 AM
Are you looking for mainline Christian teachings?
A certain sect's teachings (Catholic, Baptist, etc)?

Knowing what POV you're interested in would help.
;)
Catholic Sects would be nice, but basically just in general, such as a class on the books of the bible, or the books not in the bible. Or even just the history or certain people/events in it.

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 04:48 AM
Okay, last question-- does it have to be a class?
I know of more sites for Bible study that aren't in a class format. For example, there's a site that gives 10 methods (http://www.eachnewday.com/HowToStudyTheBible/method_all.htm) for Bible study that one can apply on their own. (Personally, I think it could be tweaked and applied for other faiths and texts too). Something like that (and there are other sites that explain methods for Bible study) would be helpful, I think. There ares sites that have annotations for the Bible and articles/lessons about them as well (though these have a Christian slant to them). Is that what you were looking for?

faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 05:10 AM
those would be perfect! Thanks so much. :thumbsup:

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 05:17 AM
Okay, I'll post'em soon! :)

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 06:08 AM
Bible study methods (ways to study on your own, various methods):
http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=56442 (many methods)
http://www.eachnewday.com/HowToStudyTheBible/the_Bible_study_methods.htm (I posted this one already)
http://www.eachnewday.com/HowToStudyTheBible/how_to_study_the_Bible.htm
http://www.bible-study-methods.info/the-abc-bible-study-method.html
http://www.bible-study-methods.info/theme-bible-study.html
http://www.youthministry.com/?q=node/5300 (PDF link at site)
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestudyresources/ss/biblestudy.htm
http://www.jesuswalk.com/bible-study/bible-study.htm

Sites with study guides for various Biblical topics:
http://www.jesuswalk.com (you can sign up for lessons to be email to you, free of charge)
Various studies: http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=56850
Study Bibles: http://biblecommenter.com
http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/
http://www.studylight.org/com/
This site has the best annotations I've seen so far, here's the Song of Songs for example: http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Sos&chapter=1 (you can even download to PDF, it's pretty long, but quite informative )--- here's the main site: http://net.bible.org/home.php

ETA: http://www.ccel.org/index/bible.html

(I'm looking for some more...)

[I]Bible reading plans:
http://www.heartlight.org/devotionals/reading_plans/
http://www.navpress.com/dj/content.aspx?id=138
http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=53493

Tools for Bible Study (concordances, searchable Bibles, etc):
http://www.biblegateway.com (searchable Bible)
http://bibletab.com (various tools)
http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html (concordance)
http://bible.crosswalk.com (various tools)
http://www.searchgodsword.org (various tools)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/

I hope those help!

faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 06:11 AM
You are so awesome! ^^ Thank you.

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 06:13 AM
You're welcome :)

Cunae
March 21st, 2009, 07:26 AM
What I've done with a prison inmate is get Bible study workbooks (where there are no right answers, btw) and work it one chapter at a time with her, by mail... you could do the same with other people by email or perhaps by IM.

I don't imagine MW has ever had a Bible-focused CoT?? Would that be a scandalous proposition or inappropriate to the concept?

And, IG, I thought you died??

Infinite Grey
March 21st, 2009, 07:33 AM
And, IG, I thought you died??

Tsk tsk, didn't you know wet dreams were a sin? :thumbsup:

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 07:40 AM
I don't imagine MW has ever had a Bible-focused CoT?? Would that be a scandalous proposition or inappropriate to the concept?


We haven't yet. I don't see why not. If there's enough interest and a qualified teacher, it'd be possible. I think it'd mostly depend on the focus of the class, something less devotional and more academic would probably work the best here. Or one that allows people to just ask questions and share their understanding and interpretation of the text.

Infinite Grey
March 21st, 2009, 07:42 AM
We haven't yet. I don't see why not. If there's enough interest and a qualified teacher, it'd be possible. I think it'd mostly depend on the focus of the class, something less devotional and more academic would probably work the best here. Or one that allows people to just ask questions and share their understanding and interpretation of the text.

I'll teach it! I probably know more about the bible than more Christian and you know I won't be preaching ;)

Cunae
March 21st, 2009, 07:52 AM
We haven't yet. I don't see why not. If there's enough interest and a qualified teacher, it'd be possible. I think it'd mostly depend on the focus of the class, something less devotional and more academic would probably work the best here. Or one that allows people to just ask questions and share their understanding and interpretation of the text.

I think this is a great idea! I'm afraid trouble-makers might try to ruin the idea with hateful comments, though. How do you normally monitor your CoT's?

And there are definitely ways to avoid "taking sides" if you know what I mean. There are plenty of Bible study texts that are non-denominational or even just historical in nature.

Agaliha
March 21st, 2009, 08:05 AM
I think this is a great idea! I'm afraid trouble-makers might try to ruin the idea with hateful comments, though. How do you normally monitor your CoT's?

And there are definitely ways to avoid "taking sides" if you know what I mean. There are plenty of Bible study texts that are non-denominational or even just historical in nature.

Just like here, trouble-making (purposefully derailing, trolling, etc) and disrespect won't be tolerated in any of the CoT classes. People would be welcome to voice their opinion though (which could be negative or less popular), just as they do here as long as it's not path bashing or anything like that. I'm not totally sure how the CoT is handled. If you're really curious, PM SwordsFlameSong, she's the CoT Admin. :) I do know teachers have control of their classes and any conflict would be handled by them or us (Admins).

I think the next step is to figure out how many people would be interested and what type of texts would be studied and how.

I've always been partial to the wisdom texts myself, but I'm not sure if others are as well.

Bix
March 21st, 2009, 04:26 PM
I'd be really interested in a Bible Study.

Cunae
March 21st, 2009, 05:10 PM
I would love to participate in a Bible Study CoT. Who wants to take the idea to SwordsFlameSong? _inabox_

Bix
March 21st, 2009, 05:38 PM
I'll go suggest it. :^)

faye_cat
March 21st, 2009, 05:56 PM
I would totally be interested in the online Bible study. ^_^

Carri
March 22nd, 2009, 08:11 PM
I replied in the other thread that I would be interested if the focus was of the sorts that most come to MW for. If it is just a regular bible study then I would not be. I don't come to MW for the biblical lessons honestly, I come here for the more mystical aspect.

Bix
March 25th, 2009, 02:41 PM
Okay, bringing to thread back over here from CoT.

Who would like to be involved in a simple Bible study? I was thinking the easiest thing would be to just take it book by book and discuss it among ourselves. Also we could use some of the resources posted early in the thread to help facilitate this.

Cunae
March 25th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Okay, bringing to thread back over here from CoT.

Who would like to be involved in a simple Bible study? I was thinking the easiest thing would be to just take it book by book and discuss it among ourselves. Also we could use some of the resources posted early in the thread to help facilitate this.

Not a bad idea. That opens up to interpretation by anyone who wants to participate. Isaiah might be a good one, for example.

LostSheep
March 26th, 2009, 04:34 AM
Okay, bringing to thread back over here from CoT.

Who would like to be involved in a simple Bible study? I was thinking the easiest thing would be to just take it book by book and discuss it among ourselves. Also we could use some of the resources posted early in the thread to help facilitate this.

yes, like I said elsewhere, I like the idea of treating it more or less like a kind of book club, taking a particular book and people just discussing their own interpretations of it and how they see it, although I think taking it in order, from Genesis right through to Revelation, might get a bit tedious. I fear that Leviticus and Deuteronomy might get bogged down a bit. I think perhaps the Gospels might be an interesting starting point; comparing the different visions of Jesus and the different slant each of them put on the story.

Bix
March 26th, 2009, 02:12 PM
Mmmk, I know Mystic Christian mentioned Isaiah as the starting point for our study...would people rather start with the Gospels? Should I make a poll?

Agaliha
March 26th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Mmmk, I know Mystic Christian mentioned Isaiah as the starting point for our study...would people rather start with the Gospels? Should I make a poll?

Hm.
Why not something in the Old Testament?
ETA: Besides Isaiah, I mean :lol:

Cunae
March 26th, 2009, 02:27 PM
Mmmk, I know Mystic Christian mentioned Isaiah as the starting point for our study...would people rather start with the Gospels? Should I make a poll?

A poll is a great idea. I would suggest Isaiah, Hebrews and 1st & 2nd Peter for the options.

Agaliha
March 26th, 2009, 02:57 PM
The only thing I was thinking, and why I tried to think of texts that might appeal to a wider range of people, is that there might not be a lot of people on here that'd want to read and discuss something that's heavily Christian...The Epistles, for example are letters to Christian communities and are heavier in terminology, teaching and all of that. To be honest, they don't appeal all that much to me as some other texts, though I do know they're important to Christianity. They also seem a little harder for the non-Christian to interpret and take some wisdom away from reading it (like one could with some other texts). I just think if there is a desire to have more people (those that aren't Christian, like me, and others), perhaps starting with something else might help? Just an idea :huh:

Cunae
March 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM
I would definitely want non-Christians to feel welcome and comfortable. Maybe the poll can have some options, like the above and maybe including material from the Pentateuch or Septuagint, and then "other" so we can see what else we should consider?

Agaliha
March 26th, 2009, 03:35 PM
I would definitely want non-Christians to feel welcome and comfortable. Maybe the poll can have some options, like the above and maybe including material from the Pentateuch or Septuagint, and then "other" so we can see what else we should consider?



Makes sense :)

I think these might be good to add the the poll:

Psalms (unlikely this would be chosen, but it's less dogmatic than other things)
Proverbs
Song of Songs
Esther
Wisdom of Solomon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom) (only one of my Bibles has this text)
The Gospels

What about Gnostic things like Gospel of Thomas? Or is that out of the scope of "Bible Study" :huh:

Cunae
March 26th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Makes sense :)

I think these might be good to add the the poll:

Psalms (unlikely this would be chosen, but it's less dogmatic than other things)
Proverbs
Song of Songs
Esther
Wisdom of Solomon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Wisdom) (only one of my Bibles has this text)
The Gospels

What about Gnostic things like Gospel of Thomas? Or is that out of the scope of "Bible Study" :huh:

You mean texts from the Apocrypha? Now that would interesting! There would be a comparative element to it from the Christian POV. I myself have read very little of them. The Gospel of Mary would be interesting! Or the Gospel of Judas [is it in print?]

Hmmm!

LostSheep
March 26th, 2009, 04:46 PM
You mean texts from the Apocrypha? Now that would interesting! There would be a comparative element to it from the Christian POV. I myself have read very little of them. The Gospel of Mary would be interesting! Or the Gospel of Judas [is it in print?]

Hmmm!

The Apocrypha's included in the King James version, at least, but the Gnostic texts (like the various alternative Gospels) aren't, because they weren't discovered in the main until farily recently. They're available seperately, but they're non-canonical, I beleive the phrase is.

Cunae
March 26th, 2009, 06:25 PM
The Apocrypha's included in the King James version, at least, but the Gnostic texts (like the various alternative Gospels) aren't, because they weren't discovered in the main until farily recently. They're available seperately, but they're non-canonical, I beleive the phrase is.

The apocryphal texts are not in the KJV or any protestant Bible. I believe they appear in the Catholic Bible.

I am really interested, now, in these alternative approaches to the Bible CoT.
Who's ready to set up the poll?

LostSheep
March 27th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Ah, by "Apocrypha" I was talking about the books like Tobit, Judith, The Wisdom of Solomon and such like, which aren't included in all editions but are in the Authorised Version, rather than the Gospel of Thomas, "Gospel of Mary" and such like, which weren't discovered until much more recently. They might be interesting in order to compare them with the official versions, but I'm not sure if everyone is entirely convinced of the authenticity of all of them yet.

Bix
March 27th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Okay so far we have:
Psalms
Proverbs
Song of Songs
Esther
Wisdom of Solomon (only one of my Bibles has this text)
The Gospels

I personally would like to throw Genesis onto the poll, if anything to see how maybe we could compare creation stories between religions.

Anybody want any other book added?

P.S. I'm going to be gone for a week because of Spring Break (yay relief from school!) so I'll probably do a poll when I get back.

LostSheep
March 27th, 2009, 10:29 AM
I've got to put in a vote for Revelation.

Cunae
March 27th, 2009, 05:51 PM
Okay so far we have:
Psalms
Proverbs
Song of Songs
Esther
Wisdom of Solomon (only one of my Bibles has this text)
The Gospels

I personally would like to throw Genesis onto the poll, if anything to see how maybe we could compare creation stories between religions.

Anybody want any other book added?

P.S. I'm going to be gone for a week because of Spring Break (yay relief from school!) so I'll probably do a poll when I get back.

I still want to add John, Hebrews, 1st and 2nd Peter and the Gospel of Mary.

Hope you have a great spring break!

faye_cat
March 27th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I also vote for Genesis, Revelations, and Esther.

BearDancing
March 27th, 2009, 06:42 PM
I am very interested in a bible study....:boing:Jesus is my mentor

BearDancing
March 27th, 2009, 06:44 PM
Bible study methods (ways to study on your own, various methods):
http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=56442 (many methods)
http://www.eachnewday.com/HowToStudyTheBible/the_Bible_study_methods.htm (I posted this one already)
http://www.eachnewday.com/HowToStudyTheBible/how_to_study_the_Bible.htm
http://www.bible-study-methods.info/the-abc-bible-study-method.html
http://www.bible-study-methods.info/theme-bible-study.html
http://www.youthministry.com/?q=node/5300 (PDF link at site)
http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestudyresources/ss/biblestudy.htm
http://www.jesuswalk.com/bible-study/bible-study.htm

Sites with study guides for various Biblical topics:
http://www.jesuswalk.com (you can sign up for lessons to be email to you, free of charge)
Various studies: http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=56850
Study Bibles: http://biblecommenter.com
http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/
http://www.studylight.org/com/
This site has the best annotations I've seen so far, here's the Song of Songs for example: http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Sos&chapter=1 (you can even download to PDF, it's pretty long, but quite informative )--- here's the main site: http://net.bible.org/home.php

ETA: http://www.ccel.org/index/bible.html

(I'm looking for some more...)

[I]Bible reading plans:
http://www.heartlight.org/devotionals/reading_plans/
http://www.navpress.com/dj/content.aspx?id=138
http://www.intothyword.org/pages.asp?pageid=53493

Tools for Bible Study (concordances, searchable Bibles, etc):
http://www.biblegateway.com (searchable Bible)
http://bibletab.com (various tools)
http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html (concordance)
http://bible.crosswalk.com (various tools)
http://www.searchgodsword.org (various tools)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/

I hope those help!

Wow and thanks for taking the time to post all of this....:uhhuhuh:

Cunae
March 27th, 2009, 07:27 PM
I am very interested in a bible study....:boing:Jesus is my mentor

That's a beautiful way to put it! He's mine, too!

David19
March 27th, 2009, 09:29 PM
You mean texts from the Apocrypha? Now that would interesting! There would be a comparative element to it from the Christian POV. I myself have read very little of them. The Gospel of Mary would be interesting! Or the Gospel of Judas [is it in print?]

Hmmm!

The Gospel of Judas is definitely in print. I might be able to get an online copy if you want me to send it to you.

BearDancing
March 30th, 2009, 04:55 PM
I do not know the bible...so ya'll choose and let me know I will get my bible out.....thanks Deb

Clair de la Lune
March 30th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Very interesting. Thanks for posting! :)

Bix
April 6th, 2009, 09:13 PM
Okies! I'm back everyone. I had an awesome and relaxing Spring Break.

This are the books we have so far:

Psalms
Proverbs
Song of Songs
Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
The Gospels
Genesis
Revelations

Anybody have anything else to add before I start the poll?

Agaliha
April 6th, 2009, 09:47 PM
I forgot to add-- The Book of Ruth.
And I've never read it, but I've heard Job is interesting?

Also, a suggestion for the Gospels part-- maybe separate them so people could vote on which one specifically?

LostSheep
April 7th, 2009, 03:38 AM
I forgot to add-- The Book of Ruth.
And I've never read it, but I've heard Job is interesting?

Also, a suggestion for the Gospels part-- maybe separate them so people could vote on which one specifically?

I think the latter's a good idea, I think it would be interesting to compare the different approaches each of the writers take and what their priorities are. They each emphasise a different aspect of Jesus and his teaching, and the ways they show the crucifixion story are quite interesting in the different approaches they take as well. Job does show God/YHWH in a rather interesting light, as someone who, basically, decides to put one of his most loyal followers through all sorts of cruel and unusual punishments just, basically, to make him prove how loyal he is. It's a very Old Testament view of God, and so it might be interesting as an example of the way that the view of God has changed over the time the books of the Bible were put together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job

Cunae
April 7th, 2009, 03:59 PM
I think the latter's a good idea, I think it would be interesting to compare the different approaches each of the writers take and what their priorities are. They each emphasise a different aspect of Jesus and his teaching, and the ways they show the crucifixion story are quite interesting in the different approaches they take as well. Job does show God/YHWH in a rather interesting light, as someone who, basically, decides to put one of his most loyal followers through all sorts of cruel and unusual punishments just, basically, to make him prove how loyal he is. It's a very Old Testament view of God, and so it might be interesting as an example of the way that the view of God has changed over the time the books of the Bible were put together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job


I always hated studying the OT because I am so much more into Christ and His teachings, though His complete fullfillment of the prophesies of Isaiah also intrigue me.

In any case, should we go ahead and set up the poll? That way we can get an idea what interests potential participants. I was wondering, btw, if we should call it something other than a "Bible study," a term that might turn off some people. It's a word maybe thought of as fundies sitting around a table in the church basement... just saying.

LostSheep
April 7th, 2009, 04:32 PM
I think some snappier title might probably be an idea. And I think there's probably enough material there to be getting on with for the poll.

Agaliha
April 7th, 2009, 06:51 PM
I always hated studying the OT because I am so much more into Christ and His teachings, though His complete fullfillment of the prophesies of Isaiah also intrigue me.


Really? The OT is fascinating to me. So many interesting stories! And I haven't read a good portion of the OT, so I like the idea of learning something new.

I'm by no means an expert of Jesus, but doesn't he fulfill more than just the prophecies in Isaiah? Both of my Bibles (Revised Standard Version & New English Version w/Apocrypha) list many cross-references to the text in the Gospels that refer back to many OT texts, even Psalms and Exodus and stuff.


As for possible names:

Bible exploration
Bible learning
Bible investigation
Bible reading group
Bible discussion group
exploration of the Bible
sacred texts reading(s): the Bible,
[list the texts chosen here]
reading sacred texts: the Bible,
[list the texts chosen here]
um.....?

Cunae
April 7th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Really? The OT is fascinating to me. So many interesting stories! And I haven't read a good portion of the OT, so I like the idea of learning something new.

I'm by no means an expert of Jesus, but doesn't he fulfill more than just the prophecies in Isaiah? Both of my Bibles (Revised Standard Version & New English Version w/Apocrypha) list many cross-references to the text in the Gospels that refer back to many OT texts, even Psalms and Exodus and stuff.


As for possible names:

Bible exploration
Bible learning
Bible investigation
Bible reading group
Bible discussion group
exploration of the Bible
sacred texts reading(s): the Bible, [list the texts chosen here]
reading sacred texts: the Bible, [list the texts chosen here]
um.....?

Sure, He fulfills all kinds of prophecies; Isaiah just has my favorite, most precise prophecies.

I love the titles you suggested! I couldn't think of any... I like Bible exploration, Bible reading group, and sacred texts: the Bible or a combination like Sacred Text Exploration: The Bible Reading Group! (gasping for breath...)

MoonBreath
April 8th, 2009, 03:25 PM
Next fall for college i'm going to be taking these three classes along with two others: Christianity and Philosophy, Christian Contemporary Issues and Survey of the Old Testament. Maybe i'll learn some interesting things from these classes to add to the bible discussion thread :smile:

Bix
April 8th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Next fall for college i'm going to be taking these three classes along with two others: Christianity and Philosophy, Christian Contemporary Issues and Survey of the Old Testament. Maybe i'll learn some interesting things from these classes to add to the bible discussion thread :smile:

Awesome! Those classes sound really interesting.

MoonBreath
April 8th, 2009, 05:34 PM
I thought so too! i like learning about religion/culture & civilizations in general, so when i saw those options, i immediately registered for them! :smile: I've always liked Jesus, my first remembered spiritual dream involved Jesus and specific aspects of the Goddess. :)