Isis and Horus

[Mystic Twilight]

i read at spiritonline.com That isis and horus probably influenced the christians relationship of Jesus and Mary- if that is so then why did the church start disallowing statues of isis and horus

[Caelin]

Originally posted by Mystic Twilight
i read at spiritonline.com That isis and horus probably influenced the christians relationship of Jesus and Mary- if that is so then why did the church start disallowing statues of isis and horus..or why were they there in the first place.

Its fairly beyond debate that Egyptian iconography of Isis and Horus influenced the Christian iconography of the Madonna and Child. Egyptian theology, such as its idea of triads of gods, might have influenced the ideas of the Christian trinity too. I know of one scholar who says so, anyway.

The Church disallowed statues of Isis and Horus because they were in competition with their own religion, so they surpressed such beliefs much as they did with other religions.

I'm not sure what you mean by "why were they there in the first place".

[Lucius]

It has been believed that this is so for a very long time and I'd have to agree with it. And when the Chrisitans/Catholics built over some of the temples of Isis, the either destroyed the statues or they covered them so they were "veiled" or they would call them the Black Madonnas. Some churches still utilize the same altars and other things that were used in the Isian temples. For example, the Cathedral at Notre Dame still uses the Isian altar that they built over.

[Antoninus]

The Christians are very good at absorbing everyboddy elses traditions and making them thier own. Hallow'een was a Pagan holiday as many of you know, but the Church took it over to try and convert the Pagans, same with Christmas. The cycles of the goddess (Maiden, Mother, Crone I believe) bear any resemblence to the Holy Trinity? When Christianity began to really take hold, Pagan temples were converted to churches. If you look closely at some of the Medieval depictions of the Virgin Mary and the infant Jesus, youll see sometimes on her robes, Arabic inscriptions on the edges. Many painting were done with the help of models and the models were dressed in robes made from cloth that came from the Islamic world, so it was not un-usual to find a verse from the Quaran on some of the ancient Christian icons. Many stories from the bible are old pagan ledgends and stories. So Christians are very good at taking bits and pieces from other religions and twisting them.

[Nantonos]

And when the Chrisitans/Catholics built over some of the temples of Isis, the either destroyed the statues or they covered them so they were "veiled" or they would call them the Black Madonnas. Some churches still utilize the same altars and other things that were used in the Isian temples. For example, the Cathedral at Notre Dame still uses the Isian altar that they built over.

I came across a news story about another Black Isis/ Black Madonna recently - this one in a church in Renfrewshire, Scotland and with Templar associations (as many churches in that area of Scotland have).


ONE of the strangest archaeological artefacts I ever saw is housed at a secret address in Kilbarchan.

It's the stone head of a black-skinned, pre-Christian goddess which surfaced near the majestic West Church in the picturesque Renfrewshire village.

Although the beautiful red sandstone kirk is just over a century old, it occupies the site of the pre-Reformation St Catherine's Chapel.
SACRED STONE STILL MAKES TREES AND FLOWERS BLOOM
Derek Parker
(full article here (http://icrenfrewshire.icnetwork.co.uk/news/localnews/pdenews/pdenews/tm_objectid=14123507&method=full&siteid=63858&headline=sacred-stone-still-makes-trees-and-flowers-bloom-name_page.html))

[argento_occhi]

from what i know, the early christians just used the isis & horus statues but modified them to become Mary and Jesus. It was a means of quashing the pagan reigion and asserting the authority of Christianity. Later on, the statues of isis & horus may have been destroyed and replaced with statues whose appearance may have been more pleasing/more caucasian (don't quote me on that -- i remember reading something like that somewhere.... *scratches head*).

take the cow horns and solar disk from Isis and you have a fairly mild, meek mother suckling her child. Mary and Jesus to a T. Feel free to correct me if i've got something wrong, i'm no expert in this field.

bright blessings,
argent

[SacredWithin]

i read at spiritonline.com That isis and horus probably influenced the christians relationship of Jesus and Mary- if that is so then why did the church start disallowing statues of isis and horus

Well, I've read in various places that when the Coptic Churches took over in Egypt, they used the same statues of Isis and Horus to represent part of the trinity. Except in certain conditions, they ripped out horus from the arms of Aset (Isis).

[WAHM-Brenda]

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[Agaliha]

from what i know, the early christians just used the isis & horus statues but modified them to become Mary and Jesus. It was a means of quashing the pagan reigion and asserting the authority of Christianity. Later on, the statues of isis & horus may have been destroyed and replaced with statues whose appearance may have been more pleasing/more caucasian
Yup, that's what I read too.

Check this out-- a whole list of comparisons of Horus with Jesus....I was amazed.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

And Jesus compared to Orisis and Dionysus:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa2.htm

Jesus as a God-man...comparisons:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa3.htm

And lastly, Jesus and Krishna:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm

They are all interesting reads, in my opinion.

[argento_occhi]

Yeah, I've read about the Jesus-Krishna thing. Not sure it has any basis in truth, but what do I know? I did read that a long time ago. Thanks for the links though. I'll check them out.

Argent

[Agaliha]

Yeah, I've read about the Jesus-Krishna thing. Not sure it has any basis in truth, but what do I know? I did read that a long time ago. Thanks for the links though. I'll check them out.

Argent

Well from what I gather...the info in them is gotten from the Holy Books/texts of each religion. If it was all fake people would know right off. And it would be easy to figure it out by reading the books and texts. They also list their references.
I'm not an expert in Theology either...
You're welcome, btw :)