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May 21st, 2009, 05:07 PM
I've been reading a lot of "counter history" books lately. ( i.e. Books that take real history and change a factor to to make it into fiction)

I had this thought after reading one where the roman empire did not fall:
What if Pilate had let Jesus go?
Herod pronounced him innocent, so no crucifixion.

What sort of life would Jesus have led after being tortured and having seen the crowd scream for his death?
How would christianity have developed? Would it develop?

I realize this is a complex and emotionally loaded question, But Please THINK before you post a reply. It's a fascinating subject, and I'd like to see reasoned, thoughtful answers.

May 23rd, 2009, 02:30 PM
The Jewish leaders of the town Jesus was in would want him out in some way. If he wasn't crucified by Pilate, he probably would have been at least kicked out of the town.

Jesus wouldn't have been matyred in that town, though that could beg the question would he have been matyred in another town? Would he be denied again by his disciples or would they rally around him more?

I'll really have to think on this more and I look forward to see where this discussion goes. I'll come back and post once I mull over it some more. :)

May 23rd, 2009, 02:46 PM
I would imagine he would have fullfilled his mission reguardless.

I do not think he would have been welcome in Jerusalem, or in Rome. I do think he would have traveled with his Desciples to other lands. Eventually though, as it was the will of His father, he would have been slain in order that he could be resurected.

May 26th, 2009, 01:42 PM
I do not think he would have been welcome in Jerusalem,
What? The jews loved what he did in the temple, they loved jesus. Why do you think the romans didn't touch him after the temple riot he caused, he was one of the people they didn't arrest, they waited until later. Jesus stayed and talked with the temple priests after the riot because the romans had a hard enough time with the jews, it would be stupid since they knew the trouble he had already caused.

June 5th, 2009, 11:42 PM
My thoughts:
1] Joshua is escorted back to Galilee and released by the Romans.
2] The Nazarene continues as a rabbi in "the boonies" of Galilee and continues to draw crowds and work miracles.
3] He keeps his disciples, and replaces Judas ( hopefully not with another Iscarri)
4] In 20 years, Joshua has too many followers. His words are interpreted and repeated and distorted. There are disciples in Rome, Persia, India, Brittany. None of them preach the same message.
5] There is a broad discrepancy in his followers; some think he is the messiah foretold in the Torah, others see him as a political leader and want him to lead a revolt against the Romans.
6] Joshua is murdered; by one extreme faction or the other, both are accused, nothing is proved. The Zealots revolt. He receives a very modest funeral (at his request) During the Zealot's revolt, his body disappears. Some accuse John or other disciples of taking it and hiding it. Others claim that he is risen from the grave, recalling past examples of Joshua raising the dead. Some claim that they have seen/talked to him.

So, my version leaves the Christians without a cross, but with a martyred and resurrected God.
And with some questions.
Does he marry? Rabbis were required to marry, because they were marriage councilors. (Ancient Hebrew does not even have a word for "bachelor")
What becomes the symbol of Christian faith? The fish?
What would the New Testament be like? More books? Written while he was still alive instead of 100 years later?
Also, no Holy Relics. How would that affect the Catholic Church?

Just something to think about.