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Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 03:29 PM
It seems to work, given the fact that I just designed it and have used it to cast two of the three spells in my lifetime...lol! I'm keeping a journal of sorts - you could call it a BoS but I don't so much...just to keep a record of what I did with each spell, how it turned out, and how I can improve, as well as different branching-off paths I could take the idea along. Now I've got a fairly decent grounding in basic principles of Magic - visualization, like attracts like, I tend to be very careful about returns and so on, but I could use you guys' help ironing it out as yet, if you please :boing:

I call it the 21+1 system...that name sucks and I want something more Latinate and fantasy/mystical :P It's called that because the main elements are the Tree of Life, the Hebrew Alphabet (Yetzirah, right? Still a Qabalah rookie by most standards XD) and the Liber 777 from Crowley - 7+7+7=21, and 21+1=22, the amount of letters in the Hebrew alphabet. (+1 could be the Mage, in this case :thumbsup:) Also I'm 21 :P

Basically, it's a mixture of Wiccan techniques (majorly simplified - the circle is just an energy circle like outlined in...Living Wicca by Cunningham, I think.) A typical spell begins with casting the simplified circle, then an invocation - I believe in invoking fictional characters at times, when they have more meaning than an ancient god. I also include an invocation to the force some Wiccans call The One...I call it Ain Soph Aur ;) Then I draw a sigil on a...piece of paper...with a ballpoint pen. Rofl...simple all right :P

The sigil is the main point. I usually include an encircled Roman numeral corresponding to the Sephiroth at the center of the working in the center of the sigil...I've never worked with two sigils and suppose that how two or more were drawn would depend on the working itself, rather than any preset system. Below that I place a crude drawing of a Hebrew letter corresponding to another aspect of the working - for example I've been working on healing my girlfriend's arm, which hurts like heck 'cause she just had surgery on it. The Sephiroth here was Chesed - Mercy, for relief from pain, and also for 4 - the correspondence for Arm or Arms in the Liber 777. (Actually, there are two entries for the Arms of the human body - 4, or 5. But Geburah doesn't fit here, really XD) So an encircled IV...and how do I find what the Hebrew letter would be?

Good ol' 777 comes to the rescue again - looking through the list in a thoroughly freeform manner, I find that the Magical Power of Healing is in column 12, and that the letter corresponding to this is Beth. So I doodle a crappy-looking Beth underneath the encircled IV...that's the main body of the sigil.

Then I add BA in gematria - I'm called BA on an IRC channel I go to, due to my nickname's initials, and it basically passes for a craft name, so at 12 AM it'll do :P I draw a circle/oval around it, to indicate that I am the one casting the spell. That's on the left side of the main sigil - on the right side, I write my girlfriend's name, in gematria, of course, using one of the many possible methods. That has a square around it...I then draw an arrow across the paper from my name to hers. Now we're set.

I begin to charge the sigil with my intent and energy - this is my first try on the idea, and it's midnight, so it's a crappy job of it, and I could have visualized better. But still, she wakes up in the morning and her arm hurts less :)

However, it still hurts, and I had a bunch of ideas last night. So I add in the Hebrew Yod, for hand, on the left side of the sigil, and oddly enough, a Star Trek combadge (the arrowhead thing) with angel wings, on the right. That one stands for a roleplaying ship we're both on that's like a fantasy version of our lives in a lot of ways...the USS Ark Angel. Yes I'm a geek...but it gets better :weirdsmil

As I charge the sigil, I invoke fictional aspects of the Lord and Lady - modern myth, rather than ancient, and specifically designed to focus my personal intent. Our characters on this roleplaying ship...mine is me in Trek, and hers is very, very similar to her. They're doctors in the game :P The working proceeds, and I throw in another idea I had last night. I work laterally on the Liber 777 tables...a correspondence to Chesed is the color blue. So I visualize an ocean of bright, royal blue...visualize her hand, working right again and doing what it's supposed to do. I consciously focus my energies on charging the sigil, rather than just letting power run out of me into it. I grip the slip of paper in my hand, and envision her hand holding mine, then break off. I've charged enough...I pull back my circle and not five minutes later she wakes up from her nap. I ask her how her hand feels...it's a bit better.

Granted, I'm not gonna solve everything with my third spell, but I mark it in my journal as a success, and submit the method to you guys. I hope the story and individual details of this working didn't detract from your understanding of the basic method (Qabalistic symbols arranged on a slip of paper and charged with pseudo-Wiccan ritual! Wooohoooo! lol XD), and I hope you can tell me where it might be able to improve, or even use the method yourself :) I think the method works for me, and that's what counts...but could it work better? :)

Also, this probably could have gone better in Magic and Ritual, but I wanted to get the Qabalah forum rocking again :P Feel free to move it if you think it's a better fit there :)

ETA: Changed the name of the system to Ave Arcana after some nifty Gematria work by Shawn - realized it's much more Chaos Magic than I had previously thought :)

~Jon :thumbsup:

Shawn Blackwolf
May 31st, 2009, 04:02 PM
What you appear...notice I said appear to have done ,
is blended a form of chaos magic , with a Qabalistic
approach , Jon...

Seems to work well for you...:thumbsup:

Better ?...hmmm...well...have you attempted to add
any form of energy raising , from an atavistic perspective ?

Ie : Primal dance , Sex magick...

How about , in this case , writing the spell on the arm ?

Just a few thoughts off the top of the head...

As I said...you seem to have developed a working system !

P.S. You could call your system by the Hebrew title...

"Esrim Ve Achad Achad"

Equalling 1199 + 13 , gematria wise...thus , 1212 , or
21 backwards , twice...:)

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:09 PM
What you appear...notice I said appear to have done ,
is blended a form of chaos magic , with a Qabalistic
approach , Jon...

Seems to work well for you...:thumbsup:

Better ?...hmmm...well...have you attempted to add
any form of energy raising , from an atavistic perspective ?

Ie : Primal dance , Sex magick...

How about , in this case , writing the spell on the arm ?

Just a few thoughts off the top of the head...

As I said...you seem to have developed a working system !

I had thought it was Chaos Magic to a point...depends on what you think of fictional characters :) I don't know about the writing on the arm thing...that would be a bit weird in public :P If it had a benefit I'd do it...I wear long sleeves anyway :) How would it help?

The atavistic thing is a good point...I forgot to add that there's usually always Metal playing while this is going on, and I'm going to add music genres to my personal correspondence table :) So headbanging, maybe a scream or a growl? :D Sex magick I could do, too...geeks like me get a lot of solo action anyway :P I'll try headbanging first...Metal is in my soul in a big way :) *begins to rock out as Dark Tranquility - Terminus (Where Death Is Most Alive) comes on the iPod...*

Thanks for the compliments...it's your fault I'm into Qabalah anyway, ya know :)

~Jon :bigredgri

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:14 PM
What you appear...notice I said appear to have done ,
is blended a form of chaos magic , with a Qabalistic
approach , Jon...

Seems to work well for you...:thumbsup:

P.S. You could call your system by the Hebrew title...

"Esrim Ve Achad Achad"

Equalling 1199 + 13 , gematria wise...thus , 1212 , or
21 backwards , twice...:)

Two things - if I appear to have done that...is there something else I may have really done? Also, what does Esrim Ve Achad Achad mean? :)

~Jon :thumbsup:

Shawn Blackwolf
May 31st, 2009, 04:35 PM
Esrim Ve Achad = Twenty One

Achad = One

Esrim Ve Achad Achad = Twenty One One...

Equalling 1212 , by gematria...:smileroll

And I do believe the term QCM , does cover what you are doing...

Qabalistic Chaos Magick...

Incorporating different techniques within a Qabalistic framework...

I shall peruse this further tomorrow...:thumbsup:


Two things - if I appear to have done that...is there something else I may have really done? Also, what does Esrim Ve Achad Achad mean? :)

~Jon :thumbsup:

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:45 PM
Esrim Ve Achad = Twenty One

Achad = One

Esrim Ve Achad Achad = Twenty One One...

Equalling 1212 , by gematria...:smileroll

And I do believe the term QCM , does cover what you are doing...

Qabalistic Chaos Magick...

Incorporating different techniques within a Qabalistic framework...

I shall peruse this further tomorrow...:thumbsup:

OMGz...you and your Gematria win again! :D I love that...the Hebrew just doesn't sound right, though :/ I should probably go with something sensible and English so I don't look too pretentious, though XD

However, the Gematria thing is about right. I like that. Now...am I doing Qabalistic Chaos Wicca, or is it just soft duotheistic pagan stuff with a Qabalistic Chaos basis? I'm confused...us metalheads dig our categories lol. All our Epic Symphonic Folk-Black Metal and so on :P

~Jon :thumbsup:

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:48 PM
OMGz...you and your Gematria win again! :D I love that...the Hebrew just doesn't sound right, though :/ I should probably go with something sensible and English so I don't look too pretentious, though XD

However, the Gematria thing is about right. I like that. Now...am I doing Qabalistic Chaos Wicca, or is it just soft duotheistic pagan stuff with a Qabalistic Chaos basis? I'm confused...us metalheads dig our categories lol. All our Epic Symphonic Folk-Black Metal and so on :P

~Jon :thumbsup:

O M F G.....I have it! Ave Arcana - the E.V.A. backwards with the A after it. More Qabalistic gymnastics, and an awesome Latinate sound like the classics...which give me a headache, by the way :P

~Jon \m/

Shawn Blackwolf
May 31st, 2009, 04:51 PM
Simply put...

In Chaos Magic , many systems may be incorporated...
under that umbrella...Wiccan methodology as per your
post , could just be one , added to the cauldron...

This way , you could incorporate Voudon , Shamanistic ,
or other methods , without a name change...:thumbsup:


OMGz...you and your Gematria win again! :D I love that...the Hebrew just doesn't sound right, though :/ I should probably go with something sensible and English so I don't look too pretentious, though XD

However, the Gematria thing is about right. I like that. Now...am I doing Qabalistic Chaos Wicca, or is it just soft duotheistic pagan stuff with a Qabalistic Chaos basis? I'm confused...us metalheads dig our categories lol. All our Epic Symphonic Folk-Black Metal and so on :P

~Jon :thumbsup:

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:55 PM
Simply put...

In Chaos Magic , many systems may be incorporated...
under that umbrella...Wiccan methodology as per your
post , could just be one , added to the cauldron...

This way , you could incorporate Voudon , Shamanistic ,
or other methods , without a name change...:thumbsup:

Yep - so I will be learning about other systems to fit them in there :) That's why I like Chaos Magic...it's quite unique and has a lot of potential - but the uniqueness comes not from the system itself, but from the "cartridges" you put in the system, to use a video-gaming analogy :) Shamanism has always appealed to me - gotta find some books! :D

And of course I wasn't gonna change the name, really...I was just considering whether the framework I had was Wiccan. I think it...mostly is :)

~Jon

Shawn Blackwolf
May 31st, 2009, 04:57 PM
By the way , Jon...

Our resident MW member , KaosXMage ,
is the one I would approach on Chaos Magick info...

Very experienced , from all indications...:thumbsup:

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 04:59 PM
By the way , Jon...

Our resident MW member , KaosXMage ,
is the one I would approach on Chaos Magick info...

Very experienced , from all indications...:thumbsup:

Why didn't I think of that? :D I'll go link him the thread right now :) Do you suppose it would be better in Magic and Ritual or should it stay here to make people look at the Qabalah forum? I'd ask a mod to move it if it would get more traffic there :)

~Jon :boing:

Shawn Blackwolf
May 31st, 2009, 05:53 PM
Well...

Though I appreciate your asking my opinion on this...

However , I do believe that is up to you , and Admn...:thumbsup:


Why didn't I think of that? :D I'll go link him the thread right now :) Do you suppose it would be better in Magic and Ritual or should it stay here to make people look at the Qabalah forum? I'd ask a mod to move it if it would get more traffic there :)

~Jon :boing:

Burning Angel
May 31st, 2009, 06:14 PM
Well...

Though I appreciate your asking my opinion on this...

However , I do believe that is up to you , and Admn...:thumbsup:

Well I need all the help I can get...and this baby isn't strictly Qabalah anymore XD Who do I ask about that?

I had another question. A friend had mentioned to me that it seems as if I'm combining systems I know very little about except in theory, and that the results are less than organic. Is he right about that? Or should I stick with Crowley, and go with what works regardless of elegance? (Or even, I might add...regardless of system, due to the fact that whatever focuses My Will, not Yours...is what works for Me :P)

~Jon, listening to Maiden - Different World and blowing his mind before work :boing:

kaosxmage
June 1st, 2009, 04:02 PM
The aim of all Chaos Magicians is one thing only, and that is results. Ultimately, your objective worked or it didn't. You be the judge. There should be very identifiable points to illustrate if it works. That's all.

You can choose belief systems from ancient to sci-fi. Whatever floats your boat. When using existing frameworks, it does benefit you to have a clear understanding of what you're working with. Experiment and play.

Now, have you created a new system? It doesn't appear so. A new approach is more likely. Many Chaos Magicians have incorporated and/or mangled the works of Crowley, Enochian, and Jewish Mysticism. Have a read. (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos.php)

If you really want to build a solid approach, read this. (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/libermmm.pdf)

That's all I really have for you at the moment. I've had a more natural approach. I never cared for complicated systems. I'm more of a Jan Fries and Phil Hine sort ...with a bit of Hypnosis.

Good luck to you!

--Kaos

Burning Angel
June 1st, 2009, 04:15 PM
The aim of all Chaos Magicians is one thing only, and that is results. Ultimately, your objective worked or it didn't. You be the judge. There should be very identifiable points to illustrate if it works. That's all.

And it does - sort of what I was thinking. Thanks :) I'll field test it more to really confirm that, though :)


You can choose belief systems from ancient to sci-fi. Whatever floats your boat. When using existing frameworks, it does benefit you to have a clear understanding of what you're working with. Experiment and play.

Sounds like a plan - since I know jack about mythology in an "expert" sense I will be using geek stuff from sci-fi to metal :P However studying mythology is also a good idea...if not because it speaks to me, then because it's a good grounding :)


Now, have you created a new system? It doesn't appear so. A new approach is more likely. Many Chaos Magicians have incorporated and/or mangled the works of Crowley, Enochian, and Jewish Mysticism. Have a read. (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos.php)

If you really want to build a solid approach, read this. (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/libermmm.pdf)

I figured "new approach" would be better - system is one of those "rush of the moment" things I love to shoot off about :boing:

I'll check the second link - I looked at the first one before replying, and I actually love that site :) It's a good one...I was very into chaos magic a month or so ago, when I was going in phases :) It appears that I have accidentally stumbled upon the principles again XD (I knew the fictional thing was chaos, but was trying to integrate that into a wider pagan approach :D)


That's all I really have for you at the moment. I've had a more natural approach. I never cared for complicated systems. I'm more of a Jan Fries and Phil Hine sort ...with a bit of Hypnosis.

Good luck to you!

--Kaos

I'm not familiar with the approach you're referring to...have to read more :P (Never could find Hine's book on servitors :() But I'm the guy who used to love D&D because of the giant rulebooks and arcane systems - then I started playing and the Magic went out of it XD Simple, easy and fun is better for me :P

Thanks for your tips, though - I will be taking them to heart as with everything else here :)

~Jon, Level 2 Mage yet? :boing:

Burning Angel
June 1st, 2009, 04:36 PM
If you really want to build a solid approach, read this. (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/libermmm.pdf)

I looked at the link...actually I have that from a large collection of occult books I summoned through the magic of the Internet...lol XD I read it the other day as part of Liber Null - I'ma go back and read it again and again until it's ingrained :)

~Jon :boing:

Clair de la Lune
June 8th, 2009, 09:18 PM
I found this to be very interesting. I am not sure that I would have approached it in the same way that you did, however I am not on the same path as you. I do go into a trance and use visualization and some form of divination sometimes to achieve my means. I am becoming more ritualized. I really liked what the Peter Carroll article was about and may employ some or all techniques.

Thanks all!:thumbsup:

Burning Angel
June 8th, 2009, 09:30 PM
I found this to be very interesting. I am not sure that I would have approached it in the same way that you did, however I am not on the same path as you. I do go into a trance and use visualization and some form of divination sometimes to achieve my means. I am becoming more ritualized. I really liked what the Peter Carroll article was about and may employ some or all techniques.

Thanks all!:thumbsup:

Thanks for the reply! :) I guess not all of us are magically inclined..for the longest time I wasn't, but this system got me going :) Well, for a couple minutes anyway :P I gotta get back on track :)

Like Kaos said, it's whatever works for you :) I have a bunch of Peter Carroll stuff in bookmarks and on my HD....really cool articles. We could start a whole chaos magic thread :P

~Jon :jon: