What's the point of energy constructs???

[Ailyn]

What's the point of energy constructs? I mean, why should I create something? What good will it do? What can I get it to do, what productivity can it accomplish? Why? And spells. What is the point in spellcraft? I have nothing I really wish to accomplish, so why perform a spell? I have no mundane issues I feel can be helped by spells, and I don't like spells to help with internal issues (it seems soooo New Age-y, it that really turns me off), and anything on a global scale seems so big to really be effected by me. What is the POINT anymore???

So, I'm kinda in a mood right now, not really too sure why. But this has been building for days, maybe even the past couple weeks. I think this is the precursor for a apathetic episode. I feel like my energy is all over the place, and my brain has stopped working, and I've lost all focus. I'm hyped up and burned out. GrrraaaAHHHH!!! This state of being frustrates me to no end.... grrrr-grrrumble, grumble. Ok, so here may be my point.

I'm trying to think of a productive use for energy constructs, and just can't think of anything. And every time I think of energy manipulation, I think of the only Pagan man I've ever been in a relationship with who was fairly talented with energy constructs, who I hate and miss and long for. But thats not the point. Whats a good use for energy constructs. (Ailyn, stop talking now, just shut-up!)

Please ignore my mood. It annoys me, but it needs let out.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well , are we talking servitors , and egregores ?

There is a link I shall add here...

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=194167&page=8

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=207629&page=4



Are we talking using geometric forms for magic and meditation ?

There is a link I shall add here...

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=195870&page=2


Or , are we talking geometric forms to alter perception ?

Have fun watching the videos...

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=208808&page=2

[Lunacie]

Oh god, Shawn ... not that thread again. :ggrief:

I've never been able to think of uses for energy constructs either. When I was taking a class on metaphysics about 7 years ago, most of the younger students wanted to use construsts for the kind of thing you'd expect randy young guys to do. But the teacher said that he often used a construct to go out ahead of him and look for a convenient parking space and then hold it for him until he got there.

Still not something that seems important to me. If parking is going to be a problem I usually try to schedule my trip for a less busy time of day or a less busy day of the week.

Maybe someone will have some other ideas that seem worth the time and energy expenditure though.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

And just *what* is your problem , Lunacie ?

I am offering her a number of different options ,
previously discussed on MW...

And *that* is a good thing...:uhhuhuh:


Oh god, Shawn ... not that thread again. :ggrief:

[watersprite]

My sister can pull in to a parking lot and say, in a sing song way, "space please". Every single time I have been with her she gets a spot near the door. It is too weird. I have laid a spell for my favorite SIL to get some more rest. Her alarm clock died yesterday. I have laid a curse that is beginning to work. I just needed to be patient.
I try not to just put energy out there. It has to be specific. I don't do it when my health is giving me problems.

[Ailyn]

Well , are we talking servitors , and egregores ?


Are we talking using geometric forms for magic and meditation ?


Or , are we talking geometric forms to alter perception ?


I'm talking anything and everything. I'm interested in learning more, but just can't think of a practical purpose for any of it. Right now, I guess I'm feeling practical. Ugh, I feel poopy... :(

So would energy constructs and spellcraft be the same thing? Like, say, I curse you! Would that fall under E.M. or S.C.? If both, then, what's the difference???

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Watch the videos in the last link , for something
very different...hypercube ones especially...whenever...:thumbsup:

As far as your question...

Spellcrafting *is* a *form* of energy manipulation , by
utilizing corresponding objects , sounds , colors , sigils ,
or herbs , etc.

It *generally* has more hands on physical workings...

Energy manipulation , though not always , can be created ,
and willed into being , through the mind...with the will
center , in cooperation...:uhhuhuh:


I'm talking anything and everything. I'm interested in learning more, but just can't think of a practical purpose for any of it. Right now, I guess I'm feeling practical. Ugh, I feel poopy... :(

So would energy constructs and spellcraft be the same thing? Like, say, I curse you! Would that fall under E.M. or S.C.? If both, then, what's the difference???

[Lunacie]

And just *what* is your problem , Lunacie ?

I am offering her a number of different options ,
previously discussed on MW...

And *that* is a good thing...:uhhuhuh:

The way I remember that thread is that it devolved into arguments and nastiness, not helpfulness. I'd rather not see the arguments and fighting start all over again. That's all.

[Ailyn]

Shawn, I love reading your posts, but all the big words and italics hurt my brain. Thanks for the links, still trying to work my way through them! :D

[Lunacie]

Shawn, I love reading your posts, but all the big words and italics hurt my brain. Thanks for the links, still trying to work my way through them! :D

Yeah, posts in huge fonts hurt my brain and my eyes.

Just sayin'.

Unless ... you meant big words like 'antidisestablishmentarianism' rather than big font?

[Ailyn]

Lol, both work.

[Torey]

What's the point of energy constructs? I mean, why should I create something? What good will it do? What can I get it to do, what productivity can it accomplish? Why? And spells. What is the point in spellcraft? I have nothing I really wish to accomplish, so why perform a spell? I have no mundane issues I feel can be helped by spells, and I don't like spells to help with internal issues (it seems soooo New Age-y, it that really turns me off), and anything on a global scale seems so big to really be effected by me. What is the POINT anymore???

So, I'm kinda in a mood right now, not really too sure why. But this has been building for days, maybe even the past couple weeks. I think this is the precursor for a apathetic episode. I feel like my energy is all over the place, and my brain has stopped working, and I've lost all focus. I'm hyped up and burned out. GrrraaaAHHHH!!! This state of being frustrates me to no end.... grrrr-grrrumble, grumble. Ok, so here may be my point.

I'm trying to think of a productive use for energy constructs, and just can't think of anything. And every time I think of energy manipulation, I think of the only Pagan man I've ever been in a relationship with who was fairly talented with energy constructs, who I hate and miss and long for. But thats not the point. Whats a good use for energy constructs. (Ailyn, stop talking now, just shut-up!)

Please ignore my mood. It annoys me, but it needs let out.

Well if you have nothing you want to accomplish, then who cares what the point in them is because it doesn't affect you.

For me, the point in constructs is to aid in my magickal endeavors. The point in spellcraft is to get what I want.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Straight fonts , and small size letters hurt my eyes and brain...

I have been saying this since I came here...

Not going to change , sorry...:thumbsup:

Glad you appreciate the links...


Shawn, I love reading your posts, but all the big words and italics hurt my brain. Thanks for the links, still trying to work my way through them! :D

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I reread that thread , before I posted it...

I was not a participant in it , and yes , you and
some others had some disagreements , yet there
were a number of good posts , and information...

Hell , there are threads I have been in , doing the
crazy argue merry go round with , that I haved
linked people to , because they also contain good
info they are asking about...

And *that* is the important thing...:uhhuhuh:

We cannot censor threads , due to personal feeling ,
if they are pertinent...:thumbsup:



The way I remember that thread is that it devolved into arguments and nastiness, not helpfulness. I'd rather not see the arguments and fighting start all over again. That's all.

[dr_zeus440]

What good will it do?
Why?
(it seems soooo New Age-y, it that really turns me off)
What is the POINT anymore???
So, I'm kinda in a mood right now, not really too sure why.
I think this is the precursor for a apathetic episode.
I feel like my energy is all over the place, and my brain has stopped working, and I've lost all focus.
I'm hyped up and burned out.
This state of being frustrates me to no end.... grrrr-grrrumble, grumble.
(Ailyn, stop talking now, just shut-up!)
Please ignore my mood.
It annoys me, but it needs let out.

Let me preface this by saying that you seem to be a nice person. But none of the above is great. However, it is honest, which is fantastic. Some people never get this far. But do let's press on, as honesty is only the beginning of living and, like taking your clothes off in company, it's only "The Most Fun I've Ever Had" if you don't know what can sometimes happen next.


And every time I think of energy manipulation, I think of the only Pagan man I've ever been in a relationship with who was fairly talented with energy constructs, who I hate and miss and long for. But thats not the point.

You know, I really think that it IS the point, actually. Well, part of the point. Almost certainly not the WHOLE point, but at least a good indicator of what the point might be. Incidentally, I think you meant to say "and for whom I long." Proper syntax is a vital foundation to a well-ordered mind.


I have no mundane issues I feel can be helped by spells, and I don't like spells to help with internal issues..

First, thank whatever powers you believe in that you do not have any 'mundane' issues that would require the full, miraculous powers of magic to solve. Not everyone can say that. As I get older, the more I realise that practically nobody over the age of twenty-five can say that. Second, am I correct in assuming that you are maybe acknowledging that there are perhaps some internal issues?

Look, I'm no-one, I know nothing, and I have no idea what I'm talking about. But I don't think you need thoughtforms, or spellwork, or servitors, or egregores, or even Dumbledores. I think you need a little trip to the Hall of Mirrors to take a good hard look at yourself. You seem lovely (if a little temporarily lacking in direction and passion), but like most lovely people, you seem hella confused.


I have nothing I really wish to accomplish..

Ah. I see.

Here comes the brutal honesty. If someone was to ask me, I'd say that you were more concerned with relationships with other human beings and with having something that you want to accomplish (even if you have absolutely no idea what that something might be yet) than with thoughtforms and spellwork. This is good news! So, get to it. For all any of us knows, you get one chance at life, and the only person who can do wonderful things with your life is you. Personally, I think you'll be fine.

[Burning Angel]

Well if you have nothing you want to accomplish, then who cares what the point in them is because it doesn't affect you.

For me, the point in constructs is to aid in my magickal endeavors. The point in spellcraft is to get what I want.

I'm with Torey here - if you're happy the way your life is, why go to the trouble of magic? You're content, having a wonderful life...don't shoot for things you don't need :) I know I'm that way :)

On the other hand, you don't sound too happy...I know you said that internal spells were too "new-agey" but the goal of Magic since Abramelin the Mage in the...1400s I think?...has been to unite with your higher self. All the goodies like money, power, love, fame, and fireballs in the face of your enemies come afterwards. So becoming a better person is, in fact, the supreme magical act - the Great Work :)

~Jon :boing:

[thought_on_a_wind]

I once used a construct (more recent than the other Advanced Paganism construct thread) to find my mom's mischievous mutt that decided to run away... I sent it out in the vague form of a brown rabbit that smelled like bacon... it worked 8 out of 10 times to lure the mangy animal back to my mom's house... she never saw it coming either lol, one minute she'd be running blindly up the porch ramp, and right into my snaretrap of arms...

[Ailyn]

Thank you all so much for the replies! :smile: I know I sounded a bit off the wall there, but I wasn't feeling too thrilled or content at the time, and it just kind of bubbled to the surface.

And its not that I don't have any mundane issues that I would LOVE a magical solution to (please send me money, o money Gods, fo school! lol, jk!), its just I don't see how there is a magical solution to my problems. The way I see it is, if I can think of absolutely no physical solution, no matter how out there it might be, then what's the point in magic? And I will totally admit that I've got lots of internal issues. Its not that I hate spells relating to internal issues, I just think that peace and balance can be overated and misinterpreted. It seems people seek to be balanced within themselves all the time. Like calm and cool and collected. I, on the other hand, relish the highs and lows of life and would rather experience those than a steady midline, at least right now. The highs and lows balance each other. Sometimes its healthy and good to be sad and cry, just as its healthy and good to be spontaneous and joyful.

Lol, taking your clothes off in public. So many times, so many stories... (my ass is glowing, my ass is glowing!) ...Ahhm the joys of glow-in-the-dark panties... :smile:

[PhoenixRevival]

If you cannot find a mundane solution to a physical problem... that is the point of magic.

A person's will expressed by control and manipulation of energies to bring about a desired effect.

I dont think magic was meant for the mundane just as the gods were never meant to watch over individuals... in the end the concepts are just too large to care about us microbes on a dustball in space. (IMO of course)

I think that if you cant find a solution, that when you should perhaps think of a touch of magic. Weather that's constructs or spell-forms... that's more the department of artistic flair than effect.

[Torey]

I agree with PhoenixRevival. What on earth do you mean if you can't find a physical solution then what's the point in magick??? As PhoenixRevival said - that IS the exact time you NEED magick. lol If you don't want to use it, then don't, but I think you're confused about what you use magick for in the first place. :)

[Ailyn]

Ok, here's a scenario:

I need money for college. I work and save, but there's only so much a person can do. And now my school has upped tuition and lowered the loans I can take out. I can't get a loan through the bank. I have low credit (because I'm 20 and have had a credit card for less than a year), and my parents refuse to cosign for loans (God says not to take on other people's debts). So I do this magic spell for money to make it my way. And BAM!, my dad dies of a heart-attack, and I inherit $175,000.

Money is mundane and physical, magic is astral and energetic. I feel that it can cause a physical reaction, but I can't conjure money out of thin air. And wouldn't if I could, it would totally undermine the whole currency system (yeah I would, who am I kidding!). But I feel that the solution to a physical problem must lie in the physical, which can be influenced by the astral but not superseded by it. No, with any issues I have that relate to my craft, mental, emotional, life issues that aren't entirely mundane, then yes, magic, go forth! But I can't see any physical solution for my financial problems that could be nudged by magic (other than, send me a lucky lotto ticket! in which case I'd have to buy one, and I don't want to do that). And all my mental/emotional/magical issues; well, I know they're there, I just haven't identified them and thought of a way to deal with them.

But thank you all for the replies!!

[Shawn Blackwolf]

You inherited $175,000.00 ?

( just kidding )...:smileroll

[Ailyn]

Haha, I kinda wish. That would solve my school funding problems, which really aren't that bad. I just use them as examples. But it sucks for people like me that came out of high school with good grades (but not good enough) and decided to switch schools last minute, and change majors after their first semester. O well, college bursars were made to eff you up, I see no other purpose for them.

[TheWomanMonster]

I agree with the statement that energy/constructs and magic are best used when mundane and physical approaches fail or are not appropriate.

The point of constructs? Strengthening your mind and ability with foolish things so that when you DO need something you can pour your all into it.

How I see it anyways....

[trueseeker]

Ok, here's a scenario:

I can't conjure money out of thin air. And wouldn't if I could, it would totally undermine the whole currency system (yeah I would, who am I kidding!). But I feel that the solution to a physical problem must lie in the physical, which can be influenced by the astral but not superseded by it. No, with any issues I have that relate to my craft, mental, emotional, life issues that aren't entirely mundane, then yes, magic, go forth! But I can't see any physical solution for my financial problems that could be nudged by magic (other than, send me a lucky lotto ticket! in which case I'd have to buy one, and I don't want to do that). And all my mental/emotional/magical issues; well, I know they're there, I just haven't identified them and thought of a way to deal with them.

But thank you all for the replies!!

Hey sugar!Hang on there!I know I am :)and you could conjure physical money out of thin air,if you would be a real good enery manipulator.I got my flower to make unusual violet inflorescent buds,when it's just a calandiva.Here may be some scientific help for you http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=217203&page=4
Personally,I think the suns are energy constructs,more complicated capable to create other forms of energy constructs themselves sustainable,capable to form laws as constructs,as Terra is.

[Kreyas]

I've used constructs as a backup method of effecting change with magic when my regular tactics do not work. For me it's a tool of last resort - but that's just me.

With a construct, I can have it adapt, reproduce and magnify. I just make sure to have its energy self-recycle once the goal is sufficiently accomplished. If I need it for defense, I can have it adapt characteristics that help it act as a shield without being self-sacrificing.

Sorry for a lack of details, don't want to go straight off a crazy limb in my first time here in a couple of years.

[Kalika]

The parking space idea is a good one. :)

'Money problems' isn't something you would usually use a construct for, you are correct. 'Money problems' is something that you would light a candle for, say a spell, etc. (Be careful what you wish for... the universe may have a rather unpleasant way of giving you what you want.)

I would say if you want to work with constructs, you don't have to have an actual need for them. You can learn to create and use them without them having a much greater purpose. Take the above-referenced parking space example. You could create a construct and send it forth to find and hold your parking space. Something you are quite capable of driving around and finding on your own, but it would give you the practice and the focus to begin working with them in a small way.

Then, in the event that you actually came upon a situation where you needed (or felt that you had need of) a construct... you would know exactly how and when to use it, and what results it was likely to produce.

[Kreyas]

All I'll add to that is I personally like to ensure that the construct will destruct at some point after its purpose has been served or it is no longer going to be re-purposed. IMHO, it seems irresponsible to have constructs just hanging in limbo with nothing to do.

[MariThorn]

interesting topic, I have made constructs to help slow down traffic in busy spots so I'm not late, I make sure it doesn't create an accident, just a longer light or so. I was about to say something about making sure you took care of your constructs, but Krevas already mentioned an auto self destruct. If you don't want to do that, then you need to realize that a being made of energy will require energy to exist.

[Paulienm]

If you don't want to do that, then you need to realize that a being made of energy will require energy to exist.

Very well put, very simple and straightforward...

[Paulienm]

I, on the other hand, relish the highs and lows of life and would rather experience those than a steady midline, at least right now. The highs and lows balance each other. Sometimes its healthy and good to be sad and cry, just as its healthy and good to be spontaneous and joyful.
I agree with this, I'd rather experience both sides, ups and downs, than being happy all the time. If two poles can't first be defined as seperate, how will we ever know how to integrate them? And if you don't know what suffering is, how will we ever be able to define happiness?
But I'm pretty sure there's something in your life that a little bit of magic can help you with. If you run into something harsh in your life, or come to face a tough decision, you can use magic to switch your mind and view multiple perspectives. It's actually something that shamans used for healing, vibrations (energy, actually..) to broaden your mind and allow you to view things differently. Like a healing of the mind. This, too, is a form of magic, it can greatly help you throughout tough spots. And in my opinion, it's also a fine way to learn and gain experience, by looking through different perspectives.
I have NO idea if I'm making sense, but I'm gonna keep on ranting.
The energy constructs I ususally make are shields/bubbles, circles and other geometric patterns. I'm actually experimenting with them a bit (I seriously play too many video games, I get ideas for magical practise from Final Fantasy <_<), though not too extremely, because I'm not exactly a pro. However, I actually use them as an amplifier for my own vibrations and energy. I've only used 'my new' constructs in spells once or twice, I first wanna make sure they're good enough to work properly.
But well, as to what use they are to me.. I sort of feel we're kinda the same. I love magic and everything, think it's very interesting, but I hardly ever use it, because I can't think of what I might need it for.. Sure, I'm in desperate need for money - financial problems run in the family, I suppose - which seems more like some kind of curse I have to break. But well, using magic to attract money doesn't sound too attractive to me, for some reason..
Anyway, finding things you could use magic for, also requires acknowledging problems and tight spots.. That's usually a first step, first comes the problem, then the solution.
Okay, I'm done.
/ranting off.

[Ailyn]

Awesome! Thanks all sooo much! Yeah, it does kinda make sense to make things as practice for when a situation should arise that you actually DO need them. I know I need one that feeds x amount of energy into me whenever I get too tired/lethargic. But I want to make birds right now that sing me awake every morning. I'm gonna try to make some birds! :smile:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

From our Tradition's gematria , using one of
our boundary number - symbol arrangements...

Energy Construct To Draw Singing Bird To You :

Looking At A Garden Of Trees = 2212

Just for your experiment...:thumbsup:


Awesome! Thanks all sooo much! Yeah, it does kinda make sense to make things as practice for when a situation should arise that you actually DO need them. I know I need one that feeds x amount of energy into me whenever I get too tired/lethargic. But I want to make birds right now that sing me awake every morning. I'm gonna try to make some birds! :smile:

[Kreyas]

interesting topic, I have made constructs to help slow down traffic in busy spots so I'm not late, I make sure it doesn't create an accident, just a longer light or so. I was about to say something about making sure you took care of your constructs, but Krevas already mentioned an auto self destruct. If you don't want to do that, then you need to realize that a being made of energy will require energy to exist.

Personally, I find leaving my house 15 minutes earlier alleviates this specific issue.

Then again, I agree with the LeVayan Satanists on the point of pursuing mundane solutions before seeking metaphysical solutions to problems.