This is gonna be a rough start, considering im not exactly a pagan...

[Marchosias]

Ive been following MW for a while now, so that i have been pre-instilled with a sense of respect for you all. I enjoy the political debates, intellegent coversation, and ritual tips, on occasion.
Having said that, there is something of which i am rathar concerned...
First of all, i am a Satanist, a blend of traditional/modern, if specifics are desired. Rathar new, but as kowlegable as can be expected. That which concerns me is not the lack of knowledge, but the misconceptions about[satanism/luciferianism] i have seen here. Let it also be said that we[satanists] are as...frusterated with the xtian/general blurring of the lines atwixt us. While it might not have been so apparant, my intent of registering was/is to be able to participate in various conversations, if my alternate viewpoint would be appreciated. If not, that is understandable, and i will subsequently leave.
However, much information about[satanism/lucifernianism] can be found at the following site. www.churchoflucifer.org . I would also point out that while informative, these people do not like Wiccans much. There is no message board/chat, but this view can be observed in the articles. I will apologize if any offense is encountered, as those specific anti-wiccan views are in stark contrast to my own. Other than that, the site holds a plethora of information, which i hope will be helpful. I look forward to participating in various conversations with the wonderful people here at MysticWicks.

[Flar's Freyja]

:wave: Merry Meet and Welcome, and thanks for your honesty. Satanism is one of the few religions I haven't studied and I don't know enough about it to discuss it with anyone. Maybe I can learn something from you :)

[Marchosias]

I appreciate the friendly replay, i had no idea how it was going to go over. I would be glad to answer any questions you had, as Satanism usually isn't something somebody wants to study when they wake up one morning, if you know what i mean. :)

[Flar's Freyja]

:) The reason I haven't studied it is that I really haven't had an interest in it. I also realize that I can not discuss it intelligently if I don't know anything about it, and then I'd be like those people who talk about paganism that don't know anything about it :T

Again, welcome.

[Ryhla]

Hello and welcome. I don't know much about satanism and what I have heard is on the xtian slant (and many know what the view of some of them can be). I would be interested in learning more about your chosen path and am looking foreward to hearing more about it.

[st0rm]

welcome

[Pan]

Hello and welcome. ^_^

I, too, know nothing of Satanism, though I was Satanist for a day... I think it was fear that changed me back to Christian.. since I only knew the Chrisitan slant of Satanism.

You can only imagine how hard I prayed! lol :T

[Emaleth]

Welcome:wave:

I also don't know much about satanism, though I read
La Vey's "Satanic Bible". But later I was too scared to look more deeply into it.

[MidnightSun]

Well..looks like I will be the first to say that after a friend forced me to read about it, I do know a thing or two about Satanism. I may not agree with it but it should be interesting seeing what you have to say about stuff :)

P.S. Hiya! :wave: Welcome to the Boards! :boing:

[Djiril]

Hello and welcome! :sunny: It's good to have alternate viewpoints. They make things much more interesting!

[Haedis]

Hey, nice to meet you. I've studied a bit about Satanism as well. I agree, it'll be interesting to have some differing view points at this board. The discussions on Satanism here are always the most entertaining.

[materra]

Howdy :wave: I will be interested to learn more as well. If only to not make assumptions in a world that lives for them. I will watch for your info and persepctives... BB

[Witchy Cowgirl]

Howdy and Welcome!

[Raevyn]

Originally posted by Haedis
The discussions on Satanism here are always the most entertaining.

Entertaining, yes. :)

Welcome, Marchosias. I've been studying a bit of Satanism along with some Thelema, Chaos, Kabbalah, Kemeticism, etc. You know how it goes. I look forward to some interesting conversations with you. Good luck ;)

[MammaStar]

Welcome to MW. One of my favorite things about MW is that there all kinds of different viewpoints here.

I'm part of the group "don't know anything about it" and like freyja, I dont like to talk about what I don't know. Have that fear of looking silly and all that.

I look forward to sharing with you. And when you're done teaching us a few things about your path, come have some fun in the other forums. :D

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Gwion
I'm glad you are drawing a distinction between Paganism and Satanism. I'm sorry, but I have had contact with Satanists, none of it good. Anyone who tells you that Satanists are simply misuderstood and "pragmatic" is selling something. The Satanists I knew were just plain old Evil, extremely dangerous, and dedicated to nothing else. Those higher in ranks prey on newcomers in the foulest ways, and are masters of lies and manipulation. I don't believe a single word of the whitewashed spin Satanic spokesmen have to say. I'll bet they have nothing good to say about Witches; they have plenty of reasons. I advise you to get out of it and sever all contacts with other Satanists while you still can. I do not joke about things like this. If you had any idea what these people are capable of, you'd be terrified right now. I know a lot more but am constrained by a strong oath to say no more.

This is idiotic... Don't judge the person before s/he gets to open their mouth... Just because one is a satanist doesn't mean that they are ALL the way you see them...

Welcome to MW Marchosias.

Kaylara

[shnen]

MM & Welcome to MW.

only one rule here... respect one another... and you sound like a very knowledgable and open person :) much like Freyja, I would like to be able to learn from you as well :)

:wave:

[Raevyn]

Actually, Marcho here isn't our first Satanist at MW, Kaylara probably has a very good understanding of Satanists, and I know I do. Mol himself (the guy who owns this site) has said on occasion if he had to label himself he'd consider calling himself Satanist.

That said, I don't think Marcho needs to be warned, being he said he *is* a Satanist.

Sweeping statements about how all Satanists are evil is not far from saying all Pagans eat babies. Totally unacceptable here.

[Kaylara]

Let’s set one thing straight… I know quite a bit about what Satanists do and do not do, I have known many, and liked a few… I am not afraid of them, they don’t do anything that scares me, and honestly I find some pagans much more frightening. (I can be pretty scary, myself.) I don’t like you warning someone that their philosophical/religious beliefs are dangerous and the wrong path for them, or in telling someone that they are being deluded by their elders… It sounds like what certain other groups say about Wiccans, and it’s just as ridiculous… Perhaps instead of warning of horrible things, and then claiming to be oath-bound about the particulars, you would like to discuss the problems you see in Satanism… Start a new thread, and please quote sources.

Kaylara

[Aine of the Fae]

Well said, Kaylara, Well said.

Welcome Marchosias, I hope you enjoy your stay!

[Haedis]

Gwion, what the hell is that supposed to mean? The moderators defend everyone who is stereotyped like that. Why does this matter to you?

[Marchosias]

While I am grateful for the rush to my defense, I would like to direct this post to Gwion, of whose "colorful" posts I have read before...
First off, you said that all the Satanists you met were evil, and such. Ok, great...I know many xtians who say the same things about pagans. Are YOU evil? "masters of lies and manipulation...." Ok, I'll admit...I am pretty good at it :D but again, I am not evil. Now while the stories of horrible exploitation are indeed distressing, I believe what you are referring to is called a "cult"...not quite me, mmkay? However, I am not irritated. In fact, i would love to talk with you at length about the percieved evils of the left hand path...first check out www.churchoflucifer.org . Once you are at least armed with the basic knowledge to get you by, lets get into a chat room and talk, it will be great.
And again, thank you very much for the warm welcome..I believe I have a lot more to learn than to teach, but hey, its all good. :)

[Flar's Freyja]

Thanks for that link Marchosias. I probably won't have time to look at it until after the holiday, but I will.


I know many xtians who say the same things about pagans. Are YOU evil? "masters of lies and manipulation...." Ok, I'll admit...I am pretty good at it but again, I am not evil

:) I am a social worker and I see "masters of lies in manipulation" in about 95% of my client population, no matter which religious, socioeconomic, racial or other group they are a part of.

That's just people ;)

[Mythrel]

Welcome, Mt Dew's in the fridge, make yourself at home.

[FlamedLilly]

mytheral I always love the Mt. Dew. It's great!!!

ANd Welcome to mystic wicks Marchosias

[Rubi Waters]

Welcome Marchosias!! :wave:
always good to have new people join in.

[Semele]

Originally posted by Marchosias
I look forward to participating in various conversations with the wonderful people here at MysticWicks.

MOL (Semele, quit using my laptop!!):

Welcome home! Glad to have you here, and if you will, please ignore the ignorant.

[Sequoia]

I'd like to give you a big welcome (but it seems you've gotten them many times over! :D ). *smiles* I have a friend of mine, and I read something he wrote about his slant on satanism. I had absolutely no problem with it. I havn't had the chance yet to read over the link you posted, but I will be sure to look at it soon.

Reguardless of path, I hope you enjoy it here. :) Welcome to the family *hugs*

[TwiztedsGirl]

I am not a full fledged pagan, but my boyfriend is a satanist and i know exactly what you mean. i would like to check out the church of lucifer so that i will understand him more. i have learned a lot about life from him already.

[xblue420x]

Hello! read the thread awhile ago and decided I'd check out the site. I want to learn more but can't be online all the time, have any good books to recommend that'll help me learn about S/L? Thankee
~Blue~

[Marchosias]

Well, "The Satanic Bible" for starters. Its written by Anton LaVey, and is pretty much the philosophy I go by.

[BluemoonWitch]

What gives you the right to come into a pagan/wiccan community and spread crap about satanism. Pagans/Wiccans don't belive in satan. If you want to offend us then yoiu have suceeded. I don't see you as a bad person but please, this is a pagan community, we are natural people who only belive in good.

to all the wanna be pagans who are all right with this, pagans don;t belive in satan.

[Marchosias]

Originally posted by BluemoonWitch

What gives you the right to come into a pagan/wiccan community and spread crap about satanism. Pagans/Wiccans don't belive in satan. If you want to offend us then yoiu have suceeded. I don't see you as a bad person but please, this is a pagan community, we are natural people who only belive in good.

to all the wanna be pagans who are all right with this, pagans don;t belive in satan.

Ill just respond here. Your PM is identical.

First of all, I spread nothing. As stated, I came here MAINLY for political debates, and some theology. Ive been here for a while, and I like it. There are good people here.

Two. I dont believe in satan, at least as your Judeo-Christian view would see it. For some info, PM me...politely.
Three. I too am a natural person, aside from these cyborg implants over here...

Four. If you dont believe in evil, youre gonna have some problems later in life.

I dont think youre a bad person, either. Just ignorant, which Im betting anything can be traced to a strong Christian influence. Not a problem.

Finally...
I came here, and nobody seems to have MUCH (check political ehehe) problem with my "satanic crap" However, you seem to deal in garden variety crap. Dont worry, theres hope.

May I reccommend the Satanic Bible?

www.churchoflucifer.org

www.churchofsatan.com

These are also great sites. However, I suspect ou wont buy into such Satanic Crap. In that case, I reccommend www.whywiccanssuck.com

PS-The author of that site IS WICCAN

Cursed be,
Marcho *grins*


EDIT--I just checked out your personal web page. Not to be rude, but you seem a wee bit young to be giving "wannabe pagans" advice on what to/not to believe, when you dont seem to have it straight your self. You can kill yourself, but dont go trying to pollute the minds of others with fluffy hogwash.

[Marchosias]

Ps, BlueMoonWitch.. I found this great fluf--lovely site, could it be you that created it?

http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/parody.html

[Danustouch]

What gives you the right to come into a pagan/wiccan community and spread crap about satanism. Pagans/Wiccans don't belive in satan. If you want to offend us then yoiu have suceeded. I don't see you as a bad person but please, this is a pagan community, we are natural people who only belive in good.

The Right that March has, is that at the entrance of the website, it says "All paths are welcome".

As for offense. I'm not offended by his presence here. And I'm wiccan. Oh..and by the way..I don't only believe in good. I pricked my finger yesterday..that was very bad. My cat is ill..that is VERY bad.

Bah...

[materra]

BluemoonWitch we are built on tolorance. If you are going to be a pagan learn everything you can about all of it. All of it! How can you protect yourself if you don't understand the basics of all believes?

[Semele]

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[AstraSkye]

Originally posted by BluemoonWitch

What gives you the right to come into a pagan/wiccan community and spread crap about satanism. Pagans/Wiccans don't belive in satan. If you want to offend us then yoiu have suceeded. I don't see you as a bad person but please, this is a pagan community, we are natural people who only belive in good.

to all the wanna be pagans who are all right with this, pagans don;t belive in satan.

So far, this is is the only post that has offended me in this thread. BluemoonWitch, I suggest you speak for yourself only. You cannot possibly know if anyone else on the board is offended or not. Trying to speak for all 4000 (almost) members is quite rude, IMO.

Satanists, too, don't believe in (the Christian concept of) Satan. "Satan" is simply a symbol for our natural drives, drives and needs the Christian religions want us to deny. To make a very long story very short, of course.

MysticWicks is a very open-minded place where all paths are welcome. MysticWicks breathes tolerance. If you're not willing to keep an open-mind, maybe this place isn't for you.

I will not even comment the "wannabe pagan"-comment you made...

Seeing how many Pagans are treated and looked upon in society today, Pagans shouldn't treat other paths (exx. Satanism) the same way. We should set an example, and keep our minds open. (just my not so humble opinion).

[Starpixie]

Hi! I have not a clue about it, just wanted to say hi. :)

[mol]

Originally posted by Marchosias

Well, "The Satanic Bible" for starters. Its written by Anton LaVey, and is pretty much the philosophy I go by.

:thumbsup:

Love it!

[Sequoia]

:eek: my word!

Really, bluemoon chicka, calm yourself please!

There are more than one satanists floating around, and so far as I recall, they havn't exactly hexed the boards or brought down the Wrath Of God (tm) on us yet. :D I think it's going to be allright.

To me, it is very not cool to bash paths you don't understand. . . I try to keep an open mind about things, because I usually don't know half as much as I think I do- and I'm constantly learning!

The links there would be excellent ones to check, and if, after reading them, you still are opposed to the idea of Satanism. . . well then, that's your belief. But warning "wannabe pagans" about the "evils" of Satanism. . . *shakes my head* that's not.

I don't see what's so "evil" about it, to begin with. :huh: can anyone explain it to me?

[Flar's Freyja]

My attitude toward Satanism was a lot more negative before Marchosias became a member of this board. He's educated me to a few things.

As the site header states: Everyone is welcome.

[materra]

And Bluemoon by now you may feel jumped on... but what we really would like you to do is stay, read our threads, learn everything you can... develop your path, learn about others paths and become the wonderful person you want to become. But you gotta put up with our funny ways to do this. It is worth it.... :) You'll see.

[Marchosias]

Originally posted by Puma Hime

I don't see what's so "evil" about it, to begin with. :huh: can anyone explain it to me?

Probably my weekly human sacrifice. That seems to be a major turnoff... :D

[Rainx]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
I don't see what's so "evil" about it, to begin with. :huh: can anyone explain it to me?

People assume all Satanists sacrifice animals/people/etc., do evil rituals for their "Lord Satan", that all Satanists are evil because a couple they know, etc. Much like people make the same assumptions about Pagans in general. I think a lot of Pagans get offended by Satanism as a knee-jerk response to being accused of it so much.

Personally I find the attitude about as ridiculous as people who assume all Pagans are cat torturing baby eaters. There are other threads on Satanism here for those of us who are interested :)

[Lavender]

Originally posted by Marchosias

Probably my weekly human sacrifice. That seems to be a major turnoff... :D

And all along I thought it was cats! 8O

[Gently Gazing Eyes]

Hello there Marchosais.

I have personally never thought much of Satanism at all, and having read through this entire thread I feel I have a problem saying anything at all in response to it. I was going to make a little post about respecting your beliefs but simply not believing in an evil force or satan or what have you, only to find other people have made posts that would make that look silly; if you don't worship the same view of Satan I grew up with, it's quite possible what you worship exists.

I actually WOULD like to get to know a bit more about Satanism so as simply not to cast labels and make assumptions of Satanists in the future, if for no other reason. I have no idea what the guiding beliefs are or anything.. so I'll check out that link.

Good job on maintaining a calm and level response to the anti-you response you got, and welcome to the forums. I'm new here myself, but evidently you've already been welcomed in and made yourself at home. In any event, Hi!

You shall now fall victim to the wrath of Mister Boing.





:boing:

[IsisErin]

Hi Marchosias! :wave:

Thank you for posting that link. It's very interesting - I had heard very negative and scary things about Satanism previously, which I now believe were mostly unfounded! I will be interested to hear your POV on subjects.

[Xentor]

Just tuned into this thread and saw it stem from november last year. I never took the time to look that far back... since I've been around here just about a month.

As for Satanism, I'm one of the prejudiced Christian-breds. I never even took it serious as a religion.

Thus, as for offending, I might top you on that.