Hindu Avatar of Hitler

[David19]

I thought some people might be interested in seeing this, but, recently came across this article about a Hindu politician, who is, apparantly, the leader of an Hindu Fascist party, who, again apparantly, sees himself as a devotee and Avatar of Hitler (I'm not sure if he sees himself as an Avatar or his followers do)

Here's more info on him:


In that week over 2000 members of a religious minority were killed and burned, over 150,000 were rendered homeless and many women were raped; often as police watched and stubbornly refused to protect religious minorities in Gujarat, a state in India. According to human rights organizations, Indian government commissions and even US government, the man ultimately responsible for this state facilitated genocide was Narendra Modi, the current and then Chief Minister of Gujarat.

Modi is now seeking a US Visa to come and speak to his supporters and admirers in New Jersey in the month of August. His visit also forces victims like Nishrin Hussein to relive their trauma.

Narendra Modi belongs to a Hindu fascist movement that seeks to make India a global power by first religiously and culturally purifying it through elimination of religious minorities. International Religious Freedom Reports, prepared by the US State Department, implicate Narendra Modi's political party – the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its religious affiliates in systematic killings of Muslims and Christians and burning of their homes and businesses; year after year.

Modi is a self-styled disciple of Adolph Hitler. He has often expressed his admiration for Hitler and even members of his own party sometimes refer to him as the Hitler of India. In Gujarat, Adolph Hitler is glorified in higher secondary school textbooks. Modi and the state of Gujarat's growing admiration for Hitler has even spooked Israel. Former Israeli Councilor General David Zohar Zonshine has made significant efforts to rectify the matter, including holding exhibitions to educate Modi's followers about the holocaust. But textbooks printed before Israeli protests are still being used in schools.

Modi frightens me. I think he is sowing the seeds of hatred and preparing the people of Gujarat for a bigger and more ominous genocide in the future

Has anyone heard of him before?, is he an up-and-coming player in the Indian political scene or more like the BNP (for those that aren't aware, the BNP are, basically, British neo-Nazi's, who, while they have gained some successes in recent years, are mostly looked upon as loons by most people)?.

Personally, I am just hoping he is a loon, and not a popular one at that, as it would be a shame if he taints India and Hinduism, with his evil (and if he really is an Avatar or devotee of Hitler, it could destroy India's place in history as the only country that hasn't experienced anti-Semitism).

If you have heard of him, is he actually aware of who Hitler is, and what he did?, as I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around the idea why anyone could admire Hitler?.

The only other Hindu I'm aware of that was a devotee of Hitler was Savitri Devi (http://www.savitridevi.org/article-basu.html), a convert to Hindu, who, apparantly, saw Hitler as an "Avatar" of Vishnu, personally, considering, Vishnu is supposed to be a God of Goodness and descends to this plane to destroy evil, I really doubt it.

I'd say the above mentioned Priestess and the politician, Narendra Modi might be Avatars or devotees of something, but, it sure isn't Vishnu or anything good, IMO, anyway.

[ninurta2008]

I agree david, it's not like hinduism doesn't have a bad reputation as it is because of the caste system (which is only in the far rural places now i think) and some major cities and regions. They don't need any more of this, they don't need to look like what Bin Laden makes islam look like. People used to know Islam was a good religion before the freakbags started to pollute the religion. Sad to know it happens in hinduism too.

I just hope someone teaches that looney toon that hitler wasn't a hindu but a christian. then he may not like hitler so much, or think its just propaganda.

[David19]

I don't think we can say what Hitler believed, it seems he was whatever would help him get into power, he was completely Christian to the Christians, completely Atheist to the Atheists, Pagan to the Pagans, occultist to the occultists, etc.

Interestingly, an amazing Hindu named Sri Aurobindo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Aurobindo) had some interesting things to say about Hitler, he stated that Hitler represented the Asuric force, and, apparantly, Sri Aurobindo helped fight against Hitler's evil with his occult powers.

Here's an interesting site (http://www.auroville.org/journals&media/avtoday/Sept_06/hitler.htm):


A second theme deals with Hitler himself – the development of his mediumistic capacities, the role of the Thule society and that of Hitler's mentor, Dietrich Eckhart – the anti-semite who was probably the only one who really knew what, or rather who, was driving his ‘pupil' and who said, towards the end of his life: “Follow Hitler. He will dance, but it is I who wrote the tune. We have given him the means to communicate with Them.”

The third theme is Hitler's possession by a vital power, an ‘Asuric' being which called itself ‘The Lord of the Nations, Master of the Earth', and how meticulously he followed that being's inspirations – which Hitler had written down in Mein Kampf, the book that laid bare his thoughts and intentions.

Here's another site (http://www.epicindia.com/magazine/Culture/sri-aurobindo-or-the-yogi-of-the-life-divine-sri-aurobindos-political-philosophy):


During the Second World War Sri Aurobindo declared Hitler as the anti-divine asuric force and considered the victory of the Allies necessary for the preservation of the civilization, for a victory of Hitler would have hindered the evolutionary march of the human race. Sri Aurobindo and Mother contributed, as a symbol of their support, a sum of Rs. 500 toward the war fund.

It's kind of interesting to think about, but, I'd say Hitler may have certain dark higher powers backing him up, for the purposes of spreading destruction, evil, death, etc.

Sri. Aurobindo also created a system of Yoga known as Integral Yoga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_yoga), which seems very cool and very interesting. Personally, I really enjoy reading more about Sri. Aurobindo.

[ninurta2008]

the guy's a sick man to even revere hitler. I mean, what good has hitler ever contributed? interesting, he was also against pagans and occult, which i heard a legend about a magical charm that got him to power. when he started persecuting the occult, the occultist who made that charm work lost communication with him and Hitler faced the full onslaught by Russian and American troops.

[Garm]

Hinduism is a more culture specific faith than it's monotheist counterparts so they have been able to keep their version of the fundamentalist loons out of the global limelight

But they are no less vicious for their obscurity

Hinduism isn't just Gahndi

The man who killed him also ascribed to the same faith, just a very different version of it

[darkNight]

Had avatars been a part of our cultural understanding, I bet David Duke would have been right there.

[Garm]

I mean, what good has hitler ever contributed?

Western Europe has been at peace for the last 60 years

I think that's a record for them

[darkNight]

Well, TONS of tweekers can thank the Nazis for their production method.

[ignescentphoenix]

the leader of an Hindu Fascist party, who, again apparantly, sees himself as a devotee and Avatar of Hitler (I'm not sure if he sees himself as an Avatar or his followers do)




Does this mean he is going to take a cyanide pill?:toofless:

[ninurta2008]

Does this mean he is going to take a cyanide pill?:toofless:
Hopefully :toofless::boing:

I hope so anyway.

Maybe he is Hitler's reincarnate, have him stand trial!!!!! Save the world before its at risk.

[aluokaloo]

hitler's reincarnation? doubtful. a megalomaniac loony with a vicious hateful streak a mile wide? yes. nazi germany wasn't the first to try and commit genocide and sadly they won't be the last.:dis:

[aluokaloo]

Does this mean he is going to take a cyanide pill?:toofless:

lets cross our fingers

[David19]

Hinduism is a more culture specific faith than it's monotheist counterparts so they have been able to keep their version of the fundamentalist loons out of the global limelight

But they are no less vicious for their obscurity

Hinduism isn't just Gahndi

The man who killed him also ascribed to the same faith, just a very different version of it

That's something I keep having to tell myself, that, not only does Hinduism have its fundamentalists, but, that it's very diverse too.


Had avatars been a part of our cultural understanding, I bet David Duke would have been right there.

Very true, although I bet there are some Neo-Nazi's who do see themselves as devotees of Hitler, maybe even Avatars.


Western Europe has been at peace for the last 60 years

I think that's a record for them

Maybe that's the best thing that came out of WW2.


Does this mean he is going to take a cyanide pill?:toofless:

Let's cross our fingers and hope ;)!.


hitler's reincarnation? doubtful. a megalomaniac loony with a vicious hateful streak a mile wide? yes. nazi germany wasn't the first to try and commit genocide and sadly they won't be the last.:dis:

Very true, personally, I doubt he's Hitler's reincarnation, but, like you said, a loon who for someone reason likes Hitler's ideas, and, unfortunately, you're right, Nazi Germany wasn't the last country to attempt genocide, many will follow in their wake :(.



lets cross our fingers

:thumbsup:.

[ninurta2008]

I am skeptical too, and I believe in reincarnation. but if he wants to claim to be hitler's reincarnate with such pride, and is a politician, let's save the world and have him stand trial as Hitler's scapegoat. He's already willing to say, " am adolf hitler", what more can there be?

[Terra Mater]

I am not a fan of Hitler, but I think there are some points to consider.

At the beginning, Hitler was also just a loony declared "unfit to paint" twice by the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. Then he had some small successes.
During his military service he was classed as being unfit for leadership.
Despite these issues he went on to be the driving force that helped Germany become the first country to recover from the Great Depression. He solved massive unemployment, led massive improvements in healthcare and transportation, and turned Germany into a world power.
So is this new guy a loony? Probably, but that doesn't mean that he can easily be dismissed. Hitler was a loony, so was Khadafi, Idi Amin, and many others who took the reins and ran amok with them.

[aluokaloo]

*shrugs* who said anything about dismissing him? it's definately something to keep an eye on. what i'm being dismissive of is the fact that he's claiming to be hitler's incarnation.

[David19]

I am not a fan of Hitler, but I think there are some points to consider.

At the beginning, Hitler was also just a loony declared "unfit to paint" twice by the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna. Then he had some small successes.
During his military service he was classed as being unfit for leadership.
Despite these issues he went on to be the driving force that helped Germany become the first country to recover from the Great Depression. He solved massive unemployment, led massive improvements in healthcare and transportation, and turned Germany into a world power.
So is this new guy a loony? Probably, but that doesn't mean that he can easily be dismissed. Hitler was a loony, so was Khadafi, Idi Amin, and many others who took the reins and ran amok with them.


*shrugs* who said anything about dismissing him? it's definately something to keep an eye on. what i'm being dismissive of is the fact that he's claiming to be hitler's incarnation.

True, I don't think he can be dismissed, as the most dangerous people are the crazy loons, that said, hopefully, the Indian people will see him for what he is and he won't get in (I don't know anything about Indian politics, so, I can't say for sure whether he's popular or not, or how much influence he has).

[Toby Stimpson]

I've been trying to think of what to say to this thread for a while now, but since it's grown I think it's time I step in.

Point 1: I don't think this guy is actually saying that he is a reincarnation of Hitler. I have tried to find reputable references of Modi's afdmiration for Hitler and I havn't been able to find anything. Even if we look at the small section David gave us, it doesn't say he believes this at all, only that he is admired. But whats new? There are loads of politicians that admire all sorts of different dictators. Saddam Hussein strongly admired Stalin. But, to be well rounded... I doubt that these people were looking at the atrocities they committed and instead looked admired the dictator's consolidation of power, control of the states, and military prowess.

Point 2. we have to look at this not in the obvious spiritual hocus-pocus and look at it from the purely political. The BJP and Hindu fundamentalism is very interested in politics because it is an avenue of control and power. They are also very interested in a unified Indian people using the criteria that they have selected. The reasons I can imagine that Narendra would revere Hitler, would be his philosophy of a unified german race based on aryan features. This ties directly with their own philosophy a unified Hindu society under their control. Now I've tried to find reputable sources for the textbooks...but I havnt found much. David could you provide the link for this blog you posted?

Point 3: BJP and Hindutva is not a Hindu tradition. They are not seen to be a tradition and have limited followers. There have been quite a few threads recently about Hindu fundamentalism and we have to understand that Hindu fundamentalism is not as wide spread as it seems, and these people use religion... they are not religious leaders in themselves. To fully understand this I think you need to be conscious of the scope that Hindu identity plays with south asian politics and culture... and where things fit in. Seperating the two is impossible, but there are gaps where they are further away than at other times. We also have to understand that India is a rising economic power with a wholly secular government, and that political parties like Shiva Sena or BJP only have influence to such an extent. It might also interest you that communism is very alive and well in India and Nepal... with many states being controlled by or having large minority of communist supporters.


I think that many learned people in india WILL know what the holocaust was, as India today is a very richly educated country. But if we look around us today, we can find people in our own societies who revere such people... the ku klux clan, white supremacists... and I think we have to be careful not to disclude people just because of their religion. Hinduism is not perfect, and not all Hindus are good. To conceive of them that way would be wrong.

[Terra Mater]

*shrugs* who said anything about dismissing him? it's definately something to keep an eye on. what i'm being dismissive of is the fact that he's claiming to be hitler's incarnation.
Why? Because its this guy? Because its Hitler? Because you do not believe in reincarnation?

Well, I do believe in reincarnation and I believe its a punishment not a reward. Since I believe both of those things, I have to accept the narrow possibility that he just might be Hitler reborn. I could be wrong. So could anyone that believes he's not.:uhhuhuh:

[Garm]

hitler's reincarnation? doubtful. a megalomaniac loony with a vicious hateful streak a mile wide? yes. nazi germany wasn't the first to try and commit genocide and sadly they won't be the last.:dis:

I certainly would have my doubts on it

Myself and everyone else who has past life memories of being Nazis that I have talked to usually spent this life time going in the opposite direction and it seems to be a reaction

I started researching the SS after a brief regression brought back an impression of myself in the uniform and a few circumstances about my "predecessors" death. It was an incredible shock to find it matched up with some one near the top of the SS hierarchy

I really don't know what to make of it and am not sure if what gets passed is even the same thing as ones identity as a soul

[ninurta2008]

I remember another life, but I am not going in the opposite direction I dont think. Who is to say hitler wasn't persuaded enough by whoever he saw to not return to hell once he was let out?

[Toby Stimpson]

But the point is this individual isn't saying that he is the reincarnation of Hitler, only that he admires him. Some followers are saying that... and the Indian secular news service is calling him that because of some of his policies.

and in Hinduism, past personalities do not reappear. Due to karmic law, Hitler would probably be born into a lower life form like a dog or a pig.

[ninurta2008]

But the point is this individual isn't saying that he is the reincarnation of Hitler, only that he admires him. Some followers are saying that... and the Indian secular news service is calling him that because of some of his policies.

and in Hinduism, past personalities do not reappear. Due to karmic law, Hitler would probably be born into a lower life form like a dog or a pig.
I know how it works in hinduism. Though I see what you are saying, he isnt saying he is. but if he does, try him for hitlers crimes as a scapegoat lol.