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HetHert
October 7th, 2009, 02:26 PM
In this thread I will be posting one precept of Ptah-Hotep a week for discussion and study.

Intro:

From the Papyrus Prisse, which was touted at the time as the oldest known book in existence, we are gifted with the wisdom of a great Egyptian man Ptah-Hotep. Ptah-Hotep is believed to have recorded his 44 precepts somewhere in the neighborhood of 2200bc . The precepts themselves are presciptions for moral ideals in overseeing disputes, personal countenance and governance in everyday life. They are as relevant now as they were then and in studying their wisdom one finds that the Egyptian society of antiquity bears great resemblence to societal interactions and occurances today.
Ptah-Hotep was either a true noble of royal birth or a high ranking member in society serving his Pharoh as a vizier. It is unclear whether the titles he carried were to be taken literally or were given to members of society as a proclamation of rank as he proclaimed himself "the royal son, first-born, legitimate". Whichever the case may be Ptah-Hotep served under the reign of Pharoh Assa (Issi or Isesi) of the 5th or 6th Dynasty during Old Kingdom period and wrote his precepts at the age of 110.

The precepts themselves are written as if he were addressing his son and passing on his wisdom. It is the point of the text in fact, to teach the son the art of governance in a sons ability to obey and then by extension at the time of his turn, to command his household justly, fairly, and with wisdom.

Link to text for study: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/rp/rp203/rp20306.htm

HetHert
October 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Percept I:


The prefect, the feudal lord Ptah-hotep says: O God with the two crocodiles, my lord, the progress of age changes into senility. Decay falls [upon man] and decline takes the place of youth. A vexation weighs upon him every day; sight fails, the ear becomes deaf; his strength dissolves without ceasing. The mouth is silent, speech fails him; the mind decays, remembering not the day before. The whole body suffers. That which is good becomes evil; taste completely disappears. Old age makes a man altogether miserable; the nose is stopped up, breathing no more from exhaustion. Standing or sitting there is here a condition (?) of … Who will cause me to have authority to speak? that I may declare to him the words of those who have heard the counsels of former days? And the counsels heard of the gods, who (will give me authority to declare them?) Cause that it be so and that evil be removed from those that are enlightened; send the double … The majesty of this god says: Instruct him in the sayings of former days. It is this which constitutes the merit of the children of the great. All that which makes the soul equal penetrates him who hears it, and that which it says produces no satiety.


Here Ptah Hotep decries the inflictions of old age and declares that in order of the wisdom of the former generations to survive they must be passed on to their children.

It's interesting to note that the suffering of old age has not changed all that much.

David19
October 10th, 2009, 11:54 AM
Very interesting, thanks for posting it :).

HetHert
October 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Precept II


Beginning of the arrangement of the good saying(s), spoken by the noble lord, the divine father, beloved of God, the son of the king, the first-born of his race, the prefect (and) feudal lord Ptah-hotep, so as to instruct the ignorant in the knowledge of the arguments of the good saying(s). It is profitable for him who hears them, it is a loss to him who shall transgress them.
He says to his son: Be not arrogant because of that which thou knowest; deal with the ignorant as with the learned; for the barriers of art are not closed, no artist being in possession of the perfection to which he should aspire. [But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite.


Here's the second of the precepts.

Please share your thoughts on what you think he's conveying with his words. I'll post my thoughts a little later.

David19
October 13th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I think he's saying, don't look down upon others, treat others as equal, don't let any knowledge you may gain make yourself seem "superior" to others, don't be arrogant, and, no one is in complete possession of wisdom.

I'm not sure if that's right or not, but, I'm really enjoying this Egyptian Wisdom, it seems something that has been neglected.

EntwinedScylla
October 14th, 2009, 02:32 AM
He seems to be saying that the learned man is nothing without the others around him, regardless of their learning. And also that no king, or great lord, should ever look down upon his slaves, because without them he is the one bending his back for treasures.

That's probably a little more literal than what he intended. I believe my mentour passed this one on as "Like your (poo) doesn't stink?" And I think this is one of the lessons I have the hardest time learning. :?

David19
October 14th, 2009, 08:53 PM
He seems to be saying that the learned man is nothing without the others around him, regardless of their learning. And also that no king, or great lord, should ever look down upon his slaves, because without them he is the one bending his back for treasures.

That's probably a little more literal than what he intended. I believe my mentour passed this one on as "Like your (poo) doesn't stink?" And I think this is one of the lessons I have the hardest time learning. :?

A perfect English translation ;)!.

Good post, BTW :).

HetHert
October 15th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Excellent interpretation! :boing:

One line intrigues me a lot
[But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite.

sleepycat
October 15th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Be not arrogant because of that which thou knowest; Don't be arrogant because you are educated. You don't know everything

deal with the ignorant as with the learned; "the wise and the foolish both have tales to tell", and you can learn from both.

for the barriers of art are not closed, never stop learning, there is always more.

no artist being in possession of the perfection to which he should aspire. You are not perfect, but strive to be.

[But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, emeralds are found with physical labor, which, while hard, is not as hard as finding wisdom (good words)

for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite. Even the most low (slaves) bring things of beauty (emeralds) to us. This ties back to "deal with the ignorant".

My thoughts/interpretations and thank you, HetHert, for starting such a cool thread.

Cassie
October 15th, 2009, 01:01 PM
One line intrigues me a lot
[But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite.

I think it follows on from what has been said before. Good Words could refer to wisdom or good ideas or maybe even honesty; and this is precious and can be found in the most unlikely of places and people.
Again, I think he is encouraging people to look beyond the top strata of society and recognize that even slaves have qualities and knowledge that is worth seeking out and cultivating.

HetHert
October 15th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Again great thoughts here! :uhhuhuh:

David19
October 15th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Be not arrogant because of that which thou knowest; Don't be arrogant because you are educated. You don't know everything

deal with the ignorant as with the learned; "the wise and the foolish both have tales to tell", and you can learn from both.

for the barriers of art are not closed, never stop learning, there is always more.

no artist being in possession of the perfection to which he should aspire. You are not perfect, but strive to be.

[But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, emeralds are found with physical labor, which, while hard, is not as hard as finding wisdom (good words)

for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite. Even the most low (slaves) bring things of beauty (emeralds) to us. This ties back to "deal with the ignorant".

My thoughts/interpretations and thank you, HetHert, for starting such a cool thread.

I really love your interpretations, very cool :thumbsup:.


[But] good word(s) are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite.

I think it follows on from what has been said before. Good Words could refer to wisdom or good ideas or maybe even honesty; and this is precious and can be found in the most unlikely of places and people.
Again, I think he is encouraging people to look beyond the top strata of society and recognize that even slaves have qualities and knowledge that is worth seeking out and cultivating.

Really great interpretation, I actually think that's very great Wisdom, which is still applicable today (except today, it wouldn't be slaves, but, tells people to look beyond the "social hierarchy" society has constructed, to value everyone, as everyone has something of value to say, in one topic or another.

HetHert
October 20th, 2009, 02:38 PM
Precept III:


If thou findest a disputant while he is hot, and if he is superior to thee in ability, lower the hands, bend the back, do not get into a passion with him. As he will not let thee destroy his words, it is utterly wrong to interrupt him; that proclaims that thou art incapable of keeping thyself calm, when thou art contradicted.


If then thou hast to do with a disputant while he is hot, imitate one who does not stir. Thou hast the advantage over him if thou keepest silence when he is uttering evil words. "The better (of the two) is he who is impassive," say the bystanders, and thou art right in the opinion of the great.


I find this one to be pretty easily interpreted. However it's disturbing how relevant it is to today's encounters and yet how very little it is practiced in Western society. IMO it's great advice and would service quite a few I know very well.

I may see if I can practice this one myself, who knows it may serve me better than my usual quipping and rebuttals. ;)

sleepycat
October 26th, 2009, 08:06 PM
This one reminds me of my grandfather saying "never argue with a fool, people might not be able to tell the difference".

David19
October 26th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Precept III:



I find this one to be pretty easily interpreted. However it's disturbing how relevant it is to today's encounters and yet how very little it is practiced in Western society. IMO it's great advice and would service quite a few I know very well.

I may see if I can practice this one myself, who knows it may serve me better than my usual quipping and rebuttals. ;)


This one reminds me of my grandfather saying "never argue with a fool, people might not be able to tell the difference".

Thanks for the new Precept, HetHert :thumbsup: :cheers:, and, very cool advice, both of you, I'll definitely have to try and practice it.

HetHert
October 27th, 2009, 11:21 AM
Precept IV



If thou findest a disputant while he is hot, do not despise him, because thou art not of the same opinion. Be not angry against him when he is wrong; away with such a thing. He fights against himself; require him not [further] to flatter thy feelings. Do not amuse thyself with the spectacle which thou hast before thee; it is odious, [it is] mean, [it is the part] of a despicable soul [so to do].
As soon as thou lettest thyself be moved by thy feelings, combat this [desire] as a thing that is reproved by the great.

sleepycat
October 27th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Wow... some high standards of behavior here. I'd like to say I live up to them, but I'd be lying.

If thou findest a disputant while he is hot, do not despise him, because thou art not of the same opinion.
Note that this does not say "don't look down on some-one that has lost their temper", but urges us to not look down on some-one who has a differing opinion. Now That's a tough one. Very good advise, though. Telling some-one that's already angry that they are wrong does nothing to improve the situation.


Be not angry against him when he is wrong; away with such a thing. He fights against himself;
Do not lose your temper, just because they've lost theirs. Again, hard to do. Note the idea that an angry person is fighting himself. You are not in control of yourself when you lose your temper, the anger is in control.

require him not [further] to flatter thy feelings.
I'm guessing here. Do not ask some-one who's still angry for an apology? That would make sense.

Do not amuse thyself with the spectacle which thou hast before thee; it is odious, [it is] mean, [it is the part] of a despicable soul [so to do].
Again, wow. How many times have I seen some-one get mad and thought to myself, "That's silly".
In the movies, when you laugh at some-one who's mad, they realize they're being silly and laugh along with you and everything's fine. When you laugh at some-one IRL, you're most likely going to start a fight.
Aside from that, the speaker here says it hurts your soul to laugh at another's anger ( loss of temper seems to me to be taken as battle with one's spirit ).

As soon as thou lettest thyself be moved by thy feelings, combat this [desire] as a thing that is reproved by the great.
Acknowledge the feelings, then let them go. This is a very modern techmique, and it's impressive to find it in such an ancient script.

I think that's it for me. This passage "hit home" and I have to think about some of my own behavior.
Thanks again to HetHert.

HetHert
November 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM
Precept V


If thou hast, as leader, to decide on the conduct of a great number of men, seek the most perfect manner (of doing so) that thy [own] conduct may be without reproach. Justice is great, invariable and assured; it has not been disturbed since the age of Osiris. To throw obstacles in the way of the laws, is to [open] the way before violence. Shall that which is below gain the upper hand, if the unjust does not attain to the place of justice? even he who says: I take for myself, of my own free-will; but says not: I take by [virtue of] my authority. The limitations of justice are invariable; such is the instruction which every man receives from his father.

Not that they aren't all good but this one is "meaty" with want for interpretation. :mmm:

EntwinedScylla
November 3rd, 2009, 10:49 PM
If thou findest a disputant while he is hot, and if he is superior to thee in ability, lower the hands, bend the back, do not get into a passion with him. As he will not let thee destroy his words, it is utterly wrong to interrupt him; that proclaims that thou art incapable of keeping thyself calm, when thou art contradicted.

If then thou hast to do with a disputant while he is hot, imitate one who does not stir. Thou hast the advantage over him if thou keepest silence when he is uttering evil words. "The better (of the two) is he who is impassive," say the bystanders, and thou art right in the opinion of the great.

"When someone is being disagreeable, and trying to start fights, make -damn- sure he can't beat your (behind) before you step up, or else you'll make a fool of yourself. Don't let yourself get rhiled by him. If you -have- to interject yourself into it, find someone who's known for being level-headed and calm, because the quiet person is always the one who comes out smelling of roses."

Oddly, I recently had something happen that makes this very relivant. I was out at a bar with my fiancee and a very surly gentleman decided to interject himself into our private conversation with how offended it made him. Rather than simply ask us to lower our voices (we were not being loud to begin with) or escort himself away... he felt the need to boast and threaten. We did our part and remained calm and quiet while the bouncer was fetched. It was universally agreed we were in the right, because we didn't lose our tempers.


If thou findest a disputant while he is hot, do not despise him, because thou art not of the same opinion. Be not angry against him when he is wrong; away with such a thing. He fights against himself; require him not [further] to flatter thy feelings. Do not amuse thyself with the spectacle which thou hast before thee; it is odious, [it is] mean, [it is the part] of a despicable soul [so to do].
As soon as thou lettest thyself be moved by thy feelings, combat this [desire] as a thing that is reproved by the great.

"Don't hate someone because you disagree with them. Don't hate him because he is incorrect. He's his own worst enemy by acting like a fool. You don't need to prove anyone wrong to feel better about yourself, and don't make it worse to come out looking like a hero."

Again, that situation comes to mind. There were a thousand vicious, biting, agressive things on my tongue. I could've cut the guy down to size with a sentence... but I didn't. I might've gotten a pat on the back, but I would've been no better than the drunkard.


If thou hast, as leader, to decide on the conduct of a great number of men, seek the most perfect manner (of doing so) that thy [own] conduct may be without reproach. Justice is great, invariable and assured; it has not been disturbed since the age of Osiris. To throw obstacles in the way of the laws, is to [open] the way before violence. Shall that which is below gain the upper hand, if the unjust does not attain to the place of justice? even he who says: I take for myself, of my own free-will; but says not: I take by [virtue of] my authority. The limitations of justice are invariable; such is the instruction which every man receives from his father.

"'Do as I say, not as I do' absolutely does not fly. A leader must be beyond reproach, and carry themself with utmost dignity. Don't commit crimes or avoid the law, because you open the way to chaos by doing so. Don't abuse your position of power, or you may find it overthrown. Everyone knows this."

HetHert
November 4th, 2009, 08:50 AM
"When someone is being disagreeable, and trying to start fights, make -damn- sure he can't beat your (behind) before you step up, or else you'll make a fool of yourself. Don't let yourself get rhiled by him. If you -have- to interject yourself into it, find someone who's known for being level-headed and calm, because the quiet person is always the one who comes out smelling of roses."

Oddly, I recently had something happen that makes this very relivant. I was out at a bar with my fiancee and a very surly gentleman decided to interject himself into our private conversation with how offended it made him. Rather than simply ask us to lower our voices (we were not being loud to begin with) or escort himself away... he felt the need to boast and threaten. We did our part and remained calm and quiet while the bouncer was fetched. It was universally agreed we were in the right, because we didn't lose our tempers.



"Don't hate someone because you disagree with them. Don't hate him because he is incorrect. He's his own worst enemy by acting like a fool. You don't need to prove anyone wrong to feel better about yourself, and don't make it worse to come out looking like a hero."

Again, that situation comes to mind. There were a thousand vicious, biting, agressive things on my tongue. I could've cut the guy down to size with a sentence... but I didn't. I might've gotten a pat on the back, but I would've been no better than the drunkard.



"'Do as I say, not as I do' absolutely does not fly. A leader must be beyond reproach, and carry themself with utmost dignity. Don't commit crimes or avoid the law, because you open the way to chaos by doing so. Don't abuse your position of power, or you may find it overthrown. Everyone knows this."

Wonderful interpretations and application in meaning to your own life. :thumbsup:

EntwinedScylla
November 4th, 2009, 04:46 PM
I am glad I saw this, honestly. I needed someting to re-affirm to me that I did the right thing by -not- verbally tearing him a new one. I felt like I failed to defend my fiancee a little, and I didn't like how that made me feel.

David19
November 4th, 2009, 08:13 PM
"When someone is being disagreeable, and trying to start fights, make -damn- sure he can't beat your (behind) before you step up, or else you'll make a fool of yourself. Don't let yourself get rhiled by him. If you -have- to interject yourself into it, find someone who's known for being level-headed and calm, because the quiet person is always the one who comes out smelling of roses."

Oddly, I recently had something happen that makes this very relivant. I was out at a bar with my fiancee and a very surly gentleman decided to interject himself into our private conversation with how offended it made him. Rather than simply ask us to lower our voices (we were not being loud to begin with) or escort himself away... he felt the need to boast and threaten. We did our part and remained calm and quiet while the bouncer was fetched. It was universally agreed we were in the right, because we didn't lose our tempers.



"Don't hate someone because you disagree with them. Don't hate him because he is incorrect. He's his own worst enemy by acting like a fool. You don't need to prove anyone wrong to feel better about yourself, and don't make it worse to come out looking like a hero."

Again, that situation comes to mind. There were a thousand vicious, biting, agressive things on my tongue. I could've cut the guy down to size with a sentence... but I didn't. I might've gotten a pat on the back, but I would've been no better than the drunkard.



"'Do as I say, not as I do' absolutely does not fly. A leader must be beyond reproach, and carry themself with utmost dignity. Don't commit crimes or avoid the law, because you open the way to chaos by doing so. Don't abuse your position of power, or you may find it overthrown. Everyone knows this."

Like HetHert said, amazing post, and very cool info. Also, the guy at the bar sounded like an ass, so, you and your fiance came out the greater people :).

David19
November 4th, 2009, 08:18 PM
"When someone is being disagreeable, and trying to start fights, make -damn- sure he can't beat your (behind) before you step up, or else you'll make a fool of yourself. Don't let yourself get rhiled by him. If you -have- to interject yourself into it, find someone who's known for being level-headed and calm, because the quiet person is always the one who comes out smelling of roses."

Oddly, I recently had something happen that makes this very relivant. I was out at a bar with my fiancee and a very surly gentleman decided to interject himself into our private conversation with how offended it made him. Rather than simply ask us to lower our voices (we were not being loud to begin with) or escort himself away... he felt the need to boast and threaten. We did our part and remained calm and quiet while the bouncer was fetched. It was universally agreed we were in the right, because we didn't lose our tempers.



"Don't hate someone because you disagree with them. Don't hate him because he is incorrect. He's his own worst enemy by acting like a fool. You don't need to prove anyone wrong to feel better about yourself, and don't make it worse to come out looking like a hero."

Again, that situation comes to mind. There were a thousand vicious, biting, agressive things on my tongue. I could've cut the guy down to size with a sentence... but I didn't. I might've gotten a pat on the back, but I would've been no better than the drunkard.



"'Do as I say, not as I do' absolutely does not fly. A leader must be beyond reproach, and carry themself with utmost dignity. Don't commit crimes or avoid the law, because you open the way to chaos by doing so. Don't abuse your position of power, or you may find it overthrown. Everyone knows this."

Like HetHert said, amazing post, and very cool info. Also, the guy at the bar sounded like an ass, so, you and your fiance came out the greater people :).

HetHert
November 11th, 2009, 05:48 PM
Precept VI


[Inspire not men with fear, [else] God will fight against thee] in the same manner. If any one asserts that he lives by such means, [God] will take away the bread from his mouth; if any one asserts that he enriches himself [thereby], [God] says: I may take [these riches] to myself. If any one asserts that he beats others, [God] will end by reducing him to impotence. Let no one inspire men with fear, this is the will of God. Let one provide sustenance for [them] in the lap of peace; it will [then] be that they will freely give [what has been torn from them by terror].

This is a very powerful and potent message.

David19
November 14th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Precept VI



This is a very powerful and potent message.

Very, very cool, and, like you said, definitely a powerful and inspiring message. It's saying not to use fear to intimidate people, IMO, not to, basically, be a bully, but, to really reach people, use kindness. Fear and other aggressive actions and words tends to backfire on the person, or group, using them.

That's just my interpretation, though, but, very cool Precept.

BTW, HetHert, if you don't mind me asking you, are there any good books you've seen or read, about ancient Egyptian Wisdom sayings, or that might list some of the sayings of the ancient Kemetics?, hopefully, in a readable work, as I'd really love to read more of them :).

HetHert
November 24th, 2009, 09:29 AM
Precept VII



If thou art among the persons seated [at meat] in the house of a greater man than thyself, take that which he
gives [thee], bowing to the ground. Regard that which is [placed] before thee, [but] point not at it; regard it not frequently; he is a blameworthy person who departs from this rule. Speak not to [the great man] more than he requires, for one knows not what may be displeasing [to him]. Speak when he invites thee and thy word will be pleasing.
As for the great man who has plenty of means of existence his conduct is as he himself wishes. He does that which pleases him; if he desires to repose, he realises his [intention]. The great man stretching forth his hand does that to which [other] men do not attain. [But] as the means of existence are under the will of God, one cannot rebel against it.


To me this one is speaking of prescribed protocols for dealing with a person of higher stature. But I think that some of these suggestions can apply in daily encounters when in the presence of anyone. Best to humble the self and deal only in respect towards those you do not otherwise know intimately enough to remove the guard.

And because I missed a week :meep:

Precept VIII



If thou art one of those who bring the messages of one great man to another, conform thyself exactly to that wherewith he has charged thee; perform for him the commission as he hath enjoined thee. Beware of altering in speaking the offensive words which one great person addresses to another; he who perverts the truthfulness of his way, in order to repeat only what produces pleasure in the words of every man, great or small, is a detestable person.

This I can take and mold into something to keep in mind at the work place. When relaying information between client and boss keep the info do not pervert it with personal insight or translation. I take one step further as a prescription not to gossip.

David19
November 26th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Precept VII



To me this one is speaking of prescribed protocols for dealing with a person of higher stature. But I think that some of these suggestions can apply in daily encounters when in the presence of anyone. Best to humble the self and deal only in respect towards those you do not otherwise know intimately enough to remove the guard.

And because I missed a week :meep:

Precept VIII



This I can take and mold into something to keep in mind at the work place. When relaying information between client and boss keep the info do not pervert it with personal insight or translation. I take one step further as a prescription not to gossip.

Again, cool post, you've given me some things to think about more :).

HetHert
December 8th, 2009, 03:18 PM
Precept IX



Precept IX

If thou art an agriculturist, gather the crops (?) in the field which the great God has given thee, fill not thy mouth in the house of thy neighbours; it is better to make oneself dreaded by the possessor. As for him who, master of his own way of acting, being all-powerful, seizes [the goods of others] like a crocodile in the midst [even] of watchmen, his children are an object of malediction, of scorn and of hatred on account of it, while [his] father is grievously distressed, and [as for] the mother who has borne [him], happy is another rather than herself. a man becomes a god when he is chief of a tribe which has confidence in following him.

Interesting What do you think is meant by: "it is better to make oneself dreaded by the possessor"

And let's go ahead and get out Precept X as well


[B]

Precept X

If thou abasest thyself in obeying a superior, thy conduct is entirely good before God. Knowing who ought to obey and who ought to command, do not lift up thy heart against him. As thou knowest that in him is authority, be respectful towards him as belonging to him. Fortune comes only at her own good-will, and her caprice only is her law; as for him who … God, who has created his superiority, turns himself from him and he is overthrown.

By being dutiful to your position in life you cannot be punished for obeying your superior. Allow God to deal with your superior as it is by God's will that the superior has found himself in his place.

I find this an interesting quote: "Fortune comes only at her own good-will, and her caprice only is her law"

Enjoy!!!

David19
December 8th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Precept IX



Interesting What do you think is meant by: "it is better to make oneself dreaded by the possessor"

And let's go ahead and get out Precept X as well



By being dutiful to your position in life you cannot be punished for obeying your superior. Allow God to deal with your superior as it is by God's will that the superior has found himself in his place.

I find this an interesting quote: "Fortune comes only at her own good-will, and her caprice only is her law"

Enjoy!!!

Again, very interesting, more things to think about and meditate on :) :thumbsup:.

HetHert
January 4th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Because I was a bad _catroll_ over the holidays I'll be posting 3 precepts to explore.

Precept XI


Be active, during the time of thy existence, doing more than is commanded. Do not spoil the time of thy activity; he is a blameworthy person who makes a bad use of his moments. Do not lose the daily opportunity of increasing that which thy house possesses. Activity produces riches and riches do not endure when it slackens.


Precept XII


XII






If thou art a wise man, bring up a son who shall be pleasing to God. If he conforms his conduct to thy way and occupies himself with thy affairs as is right, do to him all the good thou canst; he is thy son, a [person] attached [to thee] whom thine own self hath begotten. Separate not thy heart from him. … if he conducts himself ill and transgresses thy wish, if he rejects all counsel, if his mouth goes according to the evil word, strike him on the mouth in return. Give orders without hesitation to those who do wrong, to him whose temper is turbulent; and he will not deviate from the straight path, and there will be no obstacle to interrupt the way.



Precept XIII


[B]XIII

If thou art [employed] in the larit*, stand or sit rather than walk about. Lay down rules for thyself from the first: not to absent thyself even when weariness overtakes thee. Keep an eye on him who enters announcing that what he asks is secret; what is entrusted to thee is above appreciation and all contrary argument is a matter to be rejected. He is a god who penetrates into a place where no relaxation [of the rules] is made for the privileged.


* "storehouse" from here (http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/rp/rp204/rp20424.htm#fn_412) .

More precepts to come next week! Enjoy these and if any are applicable see how they work for you. I'll be working the 1st one myself. :)

David19
January 4th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Cool Precepts, I'll be sure to read them in detail tomorrow :).