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Agaliha
October 16th, 2009, 04:58 PM
I was sent forth from the power,
and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
and I have been found among those who seek after me.
Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
and you hearers, hear me.
You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
And do not banish me from your sight.
And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
Do not be ignorant of me.

For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am <the mother> and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.
I am she whose wedding is great,
and I have not taken a husband.
I am the midwife and she who does not bear.
I am the solace of my labor pains.
I am the bride and the bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me.
I am the mother of my father
and the sister of my husband
and he is my offspring.
I am the slave of him who prepared me.
I am the ruler of my offspring.
But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday.
And he is my offspring in (due) time,
and my power is from him.
I am the staff of his power in his youth,
and he is the rod of my old age.
And whatever he wills happens to me.
I am the silence that is incomprehensible
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.
I am the voice whose sound is manifold
and the word whose appearance is multiple.
I am the utterance of my name.


Discussion ideas:
Who do you think the "I" is in this text?
What do you think of the contrasts (eg whore/holy one)? What do you think the purpose of them is?
"I was sent forth from the power" -- who do you think "the power" is?
Feel free to discuss and add anything else!

faye_cat
October 16th, 2009, 05:04 PM
To me, I think it is the Holy Spirit...because to me, the Holy Spirit is in everything, everywhere.

The contrasts seem to reinforce this to me, because while God and Jesus are not in someone who does not believe in them, the Holy Spirit is a part of them no matter what.

Also, it's saying that as people, we are a bunch of different contradictions.

LacyRoze
October 16th, 2009, 05:29 PM
I think I agree that "I" is the Holy Spirit or maybe just Spirit in general. Then again maybe "I" is our soul. The heart of who we are. I'm going to have to think on this a bit..

For me, the contrasts show we are not perfect. We are what we are. The light/dark of our being. Two sides of the same coin.

"The Power" kind of has multiple meanings to me. On one hand I see it as God or the Divine. On the other, I see it as truth. Not as in "I am the only way" but as the truth that speaks to our hearts. It may be different for each of us and maybe that's how it's supposed to be. We may experience it and visualize it in different ways but it speaks to us in a way that is personal for each of us.

HetHert
October 16th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Who do you think the "I" is in this text?

I think the voice of the poem here is the "Feminine Divine" aspect.


What do you think of the contrasts (eg whore/holy one)?

I think it aptly describes the spectrum of being and roles that the Feminine Divine has taken on and portrayed.


What do you think the purpose of them is?

I would say the purpose is to illuminate the reader to the scope of its existence, to reveal the inherent duality of its nature.


"I was sent forth from the power" -- who do you think "the power" is?

I think the power is "the source" the initial spark that divided being/not being.

David19
October 17th, 2009, 07:23 PM
I think the voice of the poem here is the "Feminine Divine" aspect.



I think it aptly describes the spectrum of being and roles that the Feminine Divine has taken on and portrayed.



I would say the purpose is to illuminate the reader to the scope of its existence, to reveal the inherent duality of its nature.



I think the power is "the source" the initial spark that divided being/not being.

I actually found 'Thunder, Perfect Mind' to be really hard in understanding, so, that's why I'm glad there are other people giving their interpretations, it'll really help me.

I think I agree with HetHert, I've heard that the narrator in this Gospel seems to be Feminine, in some way anyway. I also think I need to reread it a few times and read other interpretations to figure out what it's trying to say (so, I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread :)).

Bix
November 3rd, 2009, 02:39 PM
I got an image of what the Holy Spirit is to me...but with a more feminine aspect. I don't really understand the contradictions, though.

Siwan
November 18th, 2009, 05:08 PM
For I am the wisdom of the Greeks

That made me think it's Sophia. She is everything and she is nothing.

At least that was came to me. =]