Man jailed over Baby P death attacked in prison

[Laisrean]

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/8409492.stm)


The boyfriend of Baby Peter's mother has been attacked in prison.

Steven Barker, 33, is not thought to have been seriously hurt in the attack by another inmate at Wakefield Prison on Friday, a prison spokeswoman said.

Barker was jailed for 12 years for allowing or causing the death of Peter Connelly along with the boy's mother Tracey Connelly and lodger Jason Owen.

The spokeswoman said he had been treated in prison and the assailant was in the segregation unit.

Hopefully there will be more attacks on this low-life until someone gets it right and sends him to the prison's morgue.

[Infinite Grey]

Hopefully there will be more attacks on this low-life until someone gets it right and sends him to the prison's morgue.

You blood thirsty attitudes makes you barely marginally better than the people to condemn.

[kingcanine]

I'm with Lais on this one. Anyone that can cause serious harm or death to a baby or child needs to be removed from the gene pool. Thats excluding accidents and unforeseeable circumstances.

ETA: I meant anyone that can cause harm or death without remorse or conscience.

[Fluoxetine]

Don't know what is more strange. The fact he was not hurt enough to be walking about or that he is only 1 mile away in the jail up town.

Now where did I put that rocket launcher?

[kingcanine]

Now where did I put that rocket launcher?

Not slow enough. Not only was he convicted of killing this 17 month old boy, but of raping a 2yr old girl as well. Feed him slowly into a crematorium, very much alive and screaming.

[sarabethv]

You blood thirsty attitudes makes you barely marginally better than the people to condemn.

I realize you were not talking to me, but I wanna answer it anyway. :P

You assume that my sense of self demands that I think myself better than any group or individual. I do not.

[watersprite]

If he is in General Population, they will eventually kill him. Offenses toward children get punished in prison. They will abuse and torture him first. Like a cat and mouse game. It is not blood thirsty, it is the way it is.

[*GrumpButt*]

A quick beating to death would be too good for this monster.

A slow life time of torture is what I prefer for this *thing*.

[*GrumpButt*]

A quick beating to death would be too good for this monster.

A slow life time of torture is what I prefer for this *thing*.

[Wolfpoet]

Always amuses me when people harp on about torturing people who commit certain offenses.

Makes a mockery of the rule of law and proves that when you get rigth down to it, we are all equaly sadistic.

[Chicory_Witch]

If he did the crimes then he'd better do the time with all the 'perks' of prison life included.

[kingcanine]

Always amuses me when people harp on about torturing people who commit certain offenses.

Makes a mockery of the rule of law and proves that when you get rigth down to it, we are all equaly sadistic.

So you'd have us all just give them a lil smack on the wrist and say bad boy, don't do it again? Imagine if it were your child. I'm willing to bet 10 to 1 you would put a 12ga slug in his brain without a second thought.

These are not the type of people that make up a balanced and well-rounded society. I see no cruelty worse than what happened to those two kids, IMO the crime would still far exceed the punishment even if he were tortured for a decade or more.

[Caitlin.ann]

**** 'em if gen. pop. tears him the **** up I could care less. Plus usually seg. units are filled up and people aren't admitted to them unless they are in danger of or are a danger to other inmates. Generally an attempt needs to be made on their life first worthy of seg. unit protection.

[Wolfpoet]

So you'd have us all just give them a lil smack on the wrist and say bad boy, don't do it again? Imagine if it were your child. I'm willing to bet 10 to 1 you would put a 12ga slug in his brain without a second thought.

These are not the type of people that make up a balanced and well-rounded society. I see no cruelty worse than what happened to those two kids, IMO the crime would still far exceed the punishment even if he were tortured for a decade or more.

Nice strawman

He's doing jail time for his offense, not getting a slap on the wrist.

Britain doesn't have the death penalty, not since the 50's. No EU nation has the death penalty.

Now on a personal note I advocate the death penalty for such crimes, however I do not advocate torture. What justice is there in torture? It makes a mockery of civilised ideals of justice and makes us as bad as the perps in question.

[Laisrean]

You blood thirsty attitudes makes you barely marginally better than the people to condemn.

That's an opinion; your opinion; and you are entitled to it. But it is my opinion that anyone who kills this P.O.S. deserves a medal and/or a reduced prison sentence. There are lots of assholes out her, but this man's crimes are particularly heinous. He murdered an infant in the most brutal way, as well as the baby's mother and someone else. You can think me hating him makes me almost as bad as him, but if that's the cause you have strange criteria for evilness.

[Laisrean]

Anyone that can cause serious harm or death to a baby or child needs to be removed from the gene pool.

Agreed. And it wasn't even just that he killed the child (plus his mother and someone else, btw). The article mentions basically every bone in the infant's body was broken... I mean, someone killing a child by suffocating them or something is bad, but this is brutality.

So I'm not going to cry when someone in prison starts beating the shit out of him and breaking his bones. If he can't take it then he shouldn't have dished it out.

[TeamTwig]

If he is in General Population, they will eventually kill him. Offenses toward children get punished in prison. They will abuse and torture him first. Like a cat and mouse game. It is not blood thirsty, it is the way it is.

I've heard this before as well. Isn't it curious, that there are crimes that are considered so horrible, that even other criminals wont tolerate them?

[Raxeph]

Now on a personal note I advocate the death penalty for such crimes, however I do not advocate torture. What justice is there in torture?

I do concur generally, the only reason I'm against torture of such individuals is because I think it degrades the torturer and I think there's some limits we should have... but I definitely wouldn't say it makes the torturer anywhere as bad, though, due to the reasoning behind it.

I'd rather he has a proper disposal as soon as possible, cleanly with a bullet or something similar, but I ultimately don't care if he happens to get bashed to death in there, painful or not.

[ShadowcatX]

Shoot him in the head and dump his body in a dump.

Torturing him, while it is what he deserves, would harm the one doing the torture as well.

[Laisrean]

I've heard this before as well. Isn't it curious, that there are crimes that are considered so horrible, that even other criminals wont tolerate them?

Not everyone in prison is as twisted as this asshole is. Many of them are in for things liek tax evasion, and so forth. Not every criminal is a child rapist/killer.

[TeamTwig]

Not everyone in prison is as twisted as this asshole is. Many of them are in for things liek tax evasion, and so forth. Not every criminal is a child rapist/killer.

Absolutely agreed - I just find it interesting that other offenders, even more serious offenders, such as murderers, find crimes against children inexcusable. As you said though - why should they? Someone who doesn't pay their taxes, or murders their cheating spouse for example, still has a moral compass.

When my SO was still working for our county's sherrif's department, he said that any time a known pedophile came into the jail, they would automatically put them in single cell housing, as opposed to the standard group pod system, to avoid problems.

[Wolfpoet]

That's an opinion; your opinion; and you are entitled to it. But it is my opinion that anyone who kills this P.O.S. deserves a medal and/or a reduced prison sentence. There are lots of assholes out her, but this man's crimes are particularly heinous. He murdered an infant in the most brutal way, as well as the baby's mother and someone else. You can think me hating him makes me almost as bad as him, but if that's the cause you have strange criteria for evilness.

So Laisy advocates the early release of child killers, you heard it here first folks!

After all, if a child rapist kills the guy in question, laisy says that child rapist should be given a medal or even given early release.

Nice one Laisy, lets let child rapists out of prison for killing other child rapists. I bow before your wisdom.

[Wolfpoet]

Shoot him in the head and dump his body in a dump.

Torturing him, while it is what he deserves, would harm the one doing the torture as well.

Stupid idea

What if some kid finds the body in the dump? Gonan scar a kid for life just for some perverted sense of blood justice?

[kingcanine]

So Laisy advocates the early release of child killers, you heard it here first folks!

After all, if a child rapist kills the guy in question, laisy says that child rapist should be given a medal or even given early release.

Nice one Laisy, lets let child rapists out of prison for killing other child rapists. I bow before your wisdom.

A: You are taking that out of context for the purposes of being a smartass.

B: Using some common sense, you would know that in all likelyhood, it wouldn't be another child killer/molester/abuser that did it as they would see nothing wrong with what he did. Now, you take your average street thug in prison for theft/B&E/drugs, and he's more than likely gonna rip the guy a new one. For some reason, even thieves and gang bangers have some semblance of a code of conduct. And killing/raping kids usually isn't up there.

[kingcanine]

Stupid idea

What if some kid finds the body in the dump? Gonan scar a kid for life just for some perverted sense of blood justice?

What kind of parent would you be for letting your kid play in a friggin' dump?

[Laisrean]

So Laisy advocates the early release of child killers, you heard it here first folks!

After all, if a child rapist kills the guy in question, laisy says that child rapist should be given a medal or even given early release.

Nice one Laisy, lets let child rapists out of prison for killing other child rapists. I bow before your wisdom.

I said "and/or". If you are half as smart as your attitude implies then you must understand what that means, and if that is the case then you are being deliberately obtuse.

I said and/or because it would depend on the nature of their own crime whether they should be released or not. But killing a child murderer is always worthy of at least a medal in my book.

[Laisrean]

Stupid idea

What if some kid finds the body in the dump? Gonan scar a kid for life just for some perverted sense of blood justice?

Stupid idea

What if some kid gets into his prison cell and gets raped and stabbed? That's Gonan (sic) scar him for life just for some perverted sense of letting a child killer live.

/stupidity

Why the hell should we worry about what a kid might find in a dump? If a parent allows their kids to play in mangled rusty metal, used needles, and broken glass then the parents are the ones who belong in prison. And as for child killers like this piece of shit, he is garbage so throwing his body in a dump would be putting him in his place, imho.

[Wolfpoet]

Stupid idea

What if some kid gets into his prison cell and gets raped and stabbed? That's Gonan (sic) scar him for life just for some perverted sense of letting a child killer live.

/stupidity

Why the hell should we worry about what a kid might find in a dump? If a parent allows their kids to play in mangled rusty metal, used needles, and broken glass then the parents are the ones who belong in prison. And as for child killers like this piece of shit, he is garbage so throwing his body in a dump would be putting him in his place, imho.

Violates about half a dozen health and safety laws right there.

Maybe you Americans think disposing of Human remains in a public place is a good thing but over here in europe we have other ideas regardingt he safe disposal of Human remains.

[Wolfpoet]

I said "and/or". If you are half as smart as your attitude implies then you must understand what that means, and if that is the case then you are being deliberately obtuse.

I said and/or because it would depend on the nature of their own crime whether they should be released or not. But killing a child murderer is always worthy of at least a medal in my book.

Laisy, laisy, your lack of respect for the rule of law is amusing.

[kingcanine]

Do you know how landfills work? Workers are constantly pouring in more and more trash to cover up the load before, a separate issue for another thread. IF the body somehow managed to stay on top of the pile when dumped, it would only be a matter of minutes before it was run over by a dozer and covered with tons of garbage.

That said, when Lais said the guy belonged with the rest of the garbage, it was speaking figuratively. Your twisting of words and unneeded sarcasm just makes you seem all the more a troll.

[Wolfpoet]

Do you know how landfills work? Workers are constantly pouring in more and more trash to cover up the load before, a separate issue for another thread. IF the body somehow managed to stay on top of the pile when dumped, it would only be a matter of minutes before it was run over by a dozer and covered with tons of garbage.

That said, when Lais said the guy belonged with the rest of the garbage, it was speaking figuratively. Your twisting of words and unneeded sarcasm just makes you seem all the more a troll.

With laisy, rational and logical responses are just wasted.

[*GrumpButt*]

I still say torture him. Let one of the inmates do it maybe. Break all of his bones like he did to that poor baby, then kill him.

[Wolfpoet]

I still say torture him. Let one of the inmates do it maybe. Break all of his bones like he did to that poor baby, then kill him.

Why?

[sarabethv]

Why?

natural consequencing

[Wolfpoet]

natural consequencing

BS

It's the same mentality that led to the Gladiatorial games of Rome.

This man's crimes is a handy excuse to inflict torture to feed some sadistic, atavistic need to inflict pain without feeling guilty about it.

Torture won't bring Baby P back, it's not justice, it's not moral. Torture is a mockery of justice.

[TeamTwig]

BS

It's the same mentality that led to the Gladiatorial games of Rome.

This man's crimes is a handy excuse to inflict torture to feed some sadistic, atavistic need to inflict pain without feeling guilty about it.

Torture won't bring Baby P back, it's not justice, it's not moral. Torture is a mockery of justice.

You make it sound as if people have this deep, underlying need to inflict pain on others, and we are just waiting for criminals to come along to justify such behavior, guilt-free?

That doesn't make sense to me. I think that people's wilingness to see this man suffer stems from their anger at such a heinous crime.

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm sorry..this may make me a monster, but I don't care what happens to that man. I have little sympathy for him after what he did to that child. Whatever those inmates decide to do to him they can do for all I care. I wouldn't give him the safety of seg. unit.

[TeamTwig]

I'm sorry..this may make me a monster, but I don't care what happens to that man. I have little sympathy for him after what he did to that child. Whatever those inmates decide to do to him they can do for all I care. I wouldn't give him the safety of seg. unit.

So, question, according to Wolfpoet's theory: Do you feel this way because you are angered by what this man did? Or do you feel that you have a supressed desire to rip people to shreds on a constant basis, and this man's actions just give you a justifiable excuse to do so?

[Caitlin.ann]

So, question, according to Wolfpoet's theory: Do you feel this way because you are angered by what this man did? Or do you feel that you have a supressed desire to rip people to shreds on a constant basis, and this man's actions just give you a justifiable excuse to do so?

Baiting?

[TeamTwig]

Baiting?

Not at all, just trying to understand.

[Caitlin.ann]

Not at all, just trying to understand.

Yet I find that extremely hard to believe especially with the wording of your previous post.

I have not said I want to rip any one to shreds, however you came to that conclusion is a bit beyond me. What I said is I am apathetic and have no empathy towards him. Am I screaming for his demise? No. Am I begging he get sent to seg. unit? No. The prison will follow its policies already set in place, but if he gets hurt in the mean time will be no skin off my back.

[TeamTwig]

Yet I find that extremely hard to believe especially with the wording of your previous post.

I have not said I want to rip any one to shreds, however you came to that conclusion is a bit beyond me. What I said is I am apathetic and have no empathy towards him. Am I screaming for his demise? No. Am I begging he get sent to seg. unit? No. The prison will follow its policies already set in place, but if he gets hurt in the mean time will be no skin off my back.

Re-reading my post, I can see where it would sound a bit like baiting. That wasn't my intention.

I guess what I was getting at, was wondering why you felt that retribution was acceptable. Wolfpoet seemed to suggest that we are all, deep down, essentially animals who wish to torture others, and use crime as a justification for expressing that desire. I don't agree with that - I believe that there are certain crimes (especially crimes against children) that provoke anger in society, and that is why so many are not concerned with what happened to this man.

People would probably feel different if this man was assualted in prison, and he was there for tax evasion.

[Wolfpoet]

Re-reading my post, I can see where it would sound a bit like baiting. That wasn't my intention.

I guess what I was getting at, was wondering why you felt that retribution was acceptable. Wolfpoet seemed to suggest that we are all, deep down, essentially animals who wish to torture others, and use crime as a justification for expressing that desire. I don't agree with that - I believe that there are certain crimes (especially crimes against children) that provoke anger in society, and that is why so many are not concerned with what happened to this man.

People would probably feel different if this man was assualted in prison, and he was there for tax evasion.

I'm not criticising apathy TeamTwig.

There is a big difference between those who genuinely don't care what happens to him and those who are ACTIVELY wishing for him to be tortured.

[TeamTwig]

I'm not criticising apathy TeamTwig.

There is a big difference between those who genuinely don't care what happens to him and those who are ACTIVELY wishing for him to be tortured.

But for those people who actively wish for him to be harmed, do you really believe it's because they are sick and sadistic to begin with? Or is it possible that they are having a perfectly natural "eye for an eye" human response to something that is so unforgiveable that they are angered to the point of violence?

When it comes to crimes against innocent children, I tend to be a bit more "pro-violent retribution", but I don't think that I have an underlying desire to harm others that causes that - it's because I'm angry that someone could do something so terrible.

[Wolfpoet]

But for those people who actively wish for him to be harmed, do you really believe it's because they are sick and sadistic to begin with? Or is it possible that they are having a perfectly natural "eye for an eye" human response to something that is so unforgiveable that they are angered to the point of violence?

When it comes to crimes against innocent children, I tend to be a bit more "pro-violent retribution", but I don't think that I have an underlying desire to harm others that causes that - it's because I'm angry that someone could do something so terrible.

"Eye for an eye" is a perfectly natural Human response?

Torture is not natural, wishing to torture someone is in and of itself a sadistic act. It does not benefit anyone except those who witness and take pleasure from the act.

Any desire to inflict pain on another is an act of sadism. You can dress it up ina thin cloth of justice but it does not change the essential truth.

A swift execution is a civilised and just act, not torture.

[TeamTwig]

"Eye for an eye" is a perfectly natural Human response?

Torture is not natural, wishing to torture someone is in and of itself a sadistic act. It does not benefit anyone except those who witness and take pleasure from the act.

Any desire to inflict pain on another is an act of sadism. You can dress it up ina thin cloth of justice but it does not change the essential truth.

A swift execution is a civilised and just act, not torture.

In some cases, I think that an "eye for an eye" reaction is perfectly normal. Perhaps I'm a bit more vindictive than others?

I can see your point regarding torture, as opposed to a humane execution - to a point. I suppose it depends on how you define torture as well.
I wouldn't have a problem with this guy getting his ass kicked by other inmates, but chaining him in a dark basement and doing unthinkable things to him, a la hannibal lector, might be going a bit far.

[kingcanine]

So I'm a lil sadistic. So a LOT of people are a lil sadistic. So we're using "an eye for an eye" as an acceptable justice system. So what? It IS a natural response to intensely stressful situations, whether you think so or not. Someone punches me in the face, I'm gonna slug 'em right back. Try telling someone of the norse faith an eye for an eye is wrong. If memory serves, they live by "you hit me once, I hit you once, we're square, now lets go get drunk".

I still think, barring severe mental issues, that having this guy drawn and quartered would serve as a damn good example of what happens when you beat a kid to death. Notice I said barring severe mental issues, meaning schizophrenics and such aren't including with the normal "I just wanna be a bully" class that this douche fits into.

Hang him by his feet and hands, and slowly lower him into boiling water... scrotum first.

[sarabethv]

natural consequencing


BS

It's the same mentality that led to the Gladiatorial games of Rome.

This man's crimes is a handy excuse to inflict torture to feed some sadistic, atavistic need to inflict pain without feeling guilty about it.

Torture won't bring Baby P back, it's not justice, it's not moral. Torture is a mockery of justice.

First off - your comment to gladiatorial games is a strawman. Natural consequences did NOT lead to those.

I said natural consequencing because pretty much everyone - even the most sequestered individual KNOWS that when you commit these type of crimes you will eventually be caught and the consequences of going to prison for them WILL lead to the inmates taking "justice" into their own hands. Seriously, it is common knowledge; therefore, the natural consequences of such actions.

Never said torture was moral nor was I suggesting it.


"Eye for an eye" is a perfectly natural Human response?

Torture is not natural, wishing to torture someone is in and of itself a sadistic act. It does not benefit anyone except those who witness and take pleasure from the act.

Any desire to inflict pain on another is an act of sadism. You can dress it up ina thin cloth of justice but it does not change the essential truth.

A swift execution is a civilised and just act, not torture.

you are assuming that human response and civilized are the same thing - they are not.
Yes, torture is a natural human response and action or it would not take place in the manner and with the frequency it does. When emotional responses to a heinous act take over, you bet civilized is the last thing you would call the reactions.

Swift and painless execution is still not exactly civilized, just more palatable.

There is a huge difference between humane and human. The swift execution would be humane - not necessarily human. In fact you will find historically that the mark of "civilization" is when humans become more humane or at least pretend that they are.

[dandalion]

"Eye for an eye" is a perfectly natural Human response?

Torture is not natural, wishing to torture someone is in and of itself a sadistic act. It does not benefit anyone except those who witness and take pleasure from the act.

Any desire to inflict pain on another is an act of sadism. You can dress it up ina thin cloth of justice but it does not change the essential truth.

A swift execution is a civilised and just act, not torture.

This is my first response when hearing about things like this. I would like the criminal to FEEL what his victims felt before they died. To me that would be justice. It would be even better if you could have them feel that and live with the horror, pain, nightmares and fear. To me that would be an ideal punishment, to receive what they dished out.

[Laisrean]

A swift execution is a civilised and just act, not torture.

That would be far more lenient that what he did to Baby Peter.


On 3 August 2007, an ambulance was called and Peter was found in his cot, blue and clad only in a nappy.[16] After attempts at resuscitation, he was taken to North Middlesex hospital with his mother but was pronounced dead at 12:20 pm.[17] A post-mortem revealed he had swallowed a tooth after being punched. Other injuries included a broken back, broken ribs, having the tips of fingers sliced off, and nails pulled out.[18]

All of this (and perhaps more) was done to an infant who was only 1 year old. Slicing tips of fingers off and pulling nails out is plainly torture... this piece of shit did that to a 1 year old. The infant wasn't just murdered; he was tortured also.

And now you are saying he should be spared and allowed to get out of prison after 12 years? This is madness. I can tolerate a life sentence, but this asshole didn't even get that. He will be out on the street at some point to kill again unless someone in prison kills him first. So I hope and pray that someone does kill him, because the British justice system has failed to dole out a meaningful and fitting punishment in this case.

[*GrumpButt*]

What ever he did to that baby he only deserves to be put through the same thing.
I am not sadistic ... I do not wish to hurt anyone or anything. Hell I stopped eating meat b/c I can't stand the thought of an animal dying or being hurt so I can eat it.

Would you want him to live out his prison time safe, warm, and not having any kind of problems from the other inmates? Where is the justice in that? Again I say he needs to feel every bit of what he put that child through! It is the least of what he deserves.

[Caitlin.ann]

I think the knowledge that day in and day out you're a prisoner, stuck in that place without your freedoms and living by someone else's rules (wardens/other inmates/prison guards) and the dangers from other inmates is enough punishment. Its not up to me to ensure this man is torn to shreds. Prison is rough. If he doesn't join a gang (usually based on race) he's in a shit ton of danger and even with joining a gang comes consequences ranging from murder, committing acts of homicide and injury against others, and extending prison stays. I'd like to be better than the animal put behind bars.

ETA: And usually once you join a gang, once you get out of prison you're still a member of said gang. If you don't do your duty as a gang member outside of prison, which consequences range from crimes worthy of misdemeanors to felonies to life in prison or the death penalty, you can be killed yourself.

Its not a pleasant thing.

[la tortuga]

I think the knowledge that day in and day out you're a prisoner, stuck in that place without your freedoms and living by someone else's rules (wardens/other inmates/prison guards) and the dangers from other inmates is enough punishment. Its not up to me to ensure this man is torn to shreds. Prison is rough. If he doesn't join a gang (usually based on race) he's in a shit ton of danger and even with joining a gang comes consequences ranging from murder, committing acts of homicide and injury against others, and extending prison stays. I'd like to be better than the animal put behind bars.

ETA: And usually once you join a gang, once you get out of prison you're still a member of said gang. If you don't do your duty as a gang member outside of prison, which consequences range from crimes worthy of misdemeanors to felonies to life in prison or the death penalty, you can be killed yourself.

Its not a pleasant thing.

If he could get into a gang in prison, even they usually have higher standards than to allow a child murderer or molester among them. Such is life, if something dreadful happens to him while he's incarcerated I won't be surprised.

[Caitlin.ann]

If he could get into a gang in prison, even they usually have higher standards than to allow a child murderer or molester among them. Such is life, if something dreadful happens to him while he's incarcerated I won't be surprised.

True. I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't lose any sleep over him not being tortured or vise versa. I hear shanking doesn't feel like a shiatsu massage.

[aluokaloo]

and this is why we need to actually use the death penalty and not humm and haaw at it. sick pieces of crap like this need to be put out of the rest of humanity's misery

[Mama J]

Come at me with whatever you want but this is my opinion of the POS that hurt an innocent little boy (and girl.)

As a a child abuse survivor, I don't take kindly to hearing about any child being hurt and especially one so little. No matter what a child does it never ever deserves to be hurt, tortured, or killed. There is punishment and then there is PUNISHMENT.

Come on people this guy is the scum of the earth. What does it say that even in prison people that harm children get hurt. Some weird warped sense of morals even among felons?

I will agree with whomever said that the SOB should get what he gave to that little boy and then after the torture end it the same way. A fast execution would be too kind for this guy. I say drag it out the same way he did.

I've seen pictures of Baby P and he looked like nothing but a sweet little man that deserved nothing but love. Breaks my heart his life ended the way it did. Hell I'll even say that 12 years was too light a sentence.