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CuBiC
January 8th, 2010, 01:45 PM
Hey.

I've been working on an idea for a spread the last few days, based on Peter Carrol's eight colours of magic (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/octarine.html) and the corresponding "selves". It is not intended to be a divinatory spread, but more of a self-discovery thing where each card represents things on that particular self's mind, or external influences pertaining to that particular self.

As I'm really more of a mage than a tarot reader (in fact, I got my very first deck this Monday), the spread is designed to be used with a procedure a bit closer to a magical work, and as a result it is strictly introspectively (so no reading for other people).

Each card is meant to be drawn by the corresponding self, so the shuffle procedure is a bit more complicated. You invoke the self responsible for the given colour (however complicated you want to make that), then shuffle the deck until it feels right, and lay down one card. Break that invocation and invoke the next self for shuffling up another card, and so on. This goes for all the cards, aside from the center position which should be done as normal.

The actual spread pattern looks as follows, with each card position coloured according to the "self" it represents, with the central position used sort of like a Significator position. As is obvious, it draws heavily upon the chaostar in its formation.

http://stuff.ircubic.net/chaospread.png

Of note is that the top position, which is here given in purple is really supposed to be Octarine, but that's a bit hard to draw. :) Consequently, the Sex Self position is given here in Silver, the colour of the moon, which is only one of the possible colours (Carroll calls it Purple magic).

As you can see I have underlaid two other diagrams below, which indicates two possible routes for interpretation (and also could dictate drawing order, with the Subjective self always going first). The one time I tried a reading with it, I followed the octagram method, starting at the Octarine/Magic tip, then onto the Green/Love tip, and so on.

The octagram can be used for interpretation as such: Each Self is connected to two other cards, which I interpret as that Self drawing upon the two other Selves. For instance the Wealth Self draws upon the Sex Self and the War Self, the War self in turn draws upon the Wealth Self and the Ego Self, and so on. Some of these connections don't seem to work at first glance, but with a little deliberation they can make an odd amount of sense, and sometimes serve as eye openers as to the nature of the self.

The double rectangle, on the other hand can be used to split the selves into two distinct "realms". The War/Death/Love/Sex realm (which could be called the body realm), and the Magic/Wealth/Ego/Thinking realm (which could be called the mind realm, if you consider Wealth as the collection of experiences, not material goods). These could be considered connected so that congruences in suit or numbers count within one realm, but not across realms.

Some definite issues I have is creating a bit clearer definitions of the selves, and my current list looks as such, but there are some weird points.

Magical self = The pure spiritual/magical pursuits
Death self = Experiences pertaining to destruction and death? Could also be considered the Self of Change, as per the Death card.
Wealth self = collection of experiences and power over others(?)
Love self = Things pertaining to relationships, both romance and friendships
Ego self = Not just ego, but all things Solar (Charisma and Dominance, for instance, could be considered the Male Self)
Sex self = Well... sex life, but also sexual attraction. Also other things Lunar
Thinking self = The rational self (Carroll makes note that this is particularly suited for "quick wit", in areas such as gambling or sales)
War self = Conflict (note that this does not cover the killing/hurting part, that's the Death self's area), opposition of all kinds - even something small such as a bargaining or haggling match


So, I offer this (still sort of in draft status) spread design both for your use, as well as for discussion. I would really love to hear what experienced tarot readers think of this spread, and perhaps help me reconcile some of the difficulties I'm having with connecting the eight colours to the Tarot world, and giving me a reader's view of the whole thing. :)

LisaT4P
January 8th, 2010, 10:00 PM
Interesting. I like the way that it can be read in several different configurations, in that it reminds me very much of Lenormand cards.

Reconciling the "selves" with the "colors" is a bit more complex. I'd have to look at the information you provided in your link more for that. Seems to me that you could add some of the chakra associations in there for a few of them, which might help you to get them more separated... or not. *shrug* For example, I can see how the Root Chakra could be attributed to Sex and War, but maybe also to Death. Ego might = Solar Plexus, Love = Heart, Magical = Crown, Thinking = Third Eye, War could be Throat with the bargaining aspect... lots to think about and decipher from that.

Much fun! :D

However, I'm really not clear on the purpose of it. You say it is closer to a working than a reading... what is the purpose for this working? Just a clearer understanding of one's self? Or something else?

CuBiC
January 9th, 2010, 07:32 AM
The chakra aspect I hadn't thought about, mainly because I don't know much about them. Sounds interesting, have noted it for further research. :)

As for the purpose. The purpose of this spread would be to get insight into the status and feelings of each of the selves, to see if they are all satisfied and as such the person is balanced in general. According to the eight colours, this balance is needed for your life, and subsequently magic, to be at its best.

Say your Wealth self gives you 4 of Pentacles and your Sex self gives you the Tower reversed, you might interpret this (excusing my limited experience with the cards) as your Wealth self saying that while you're secure fiscally, you've closed yourself off from the world, which is backed up by the Sex self saying "dude, you need some serious changes here, but they ain't happenin'", or more crudely "You need to get yourself laid". This connection is made stronger by the octagram, because there is a connection between the wealth self and the sex self.

The reason I called it a working is because the process I describe includes invoking and several reshuffles, as opposed to a "normal" tarot reading which is a slightly less complicated affair.

Of course, all of this comes from my bias as a magician with little divinatory experience, which is a situation I intend to rectify. :)

LisaT4P
January 9th, 2010, 01:26 PM
Actually I might even interpret your scenario as "Hey! If you don't stop spending so much time & money on trying to get laid, you're going to be in big trouble". LOL But, that's just me and hypothetical. I love that there are so many ways to interpret. hee hee

I see what you mean about the ritual shufflings making it more of a working. And I see how you could take the information gathered from the spread and then use it to work on those areas of the self that are more weakly aspected. Or tone down the ones that are on over-drive. :) There are lots of other spreads that sort of do the same thing, but not for this particular system that you're using.

1111
January 10th, 2010, 09:12 AM
That spread looks very familiar. :hmmmmm:

Interesting post, thanks.

Lady Marian
January 11th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Thank you for posting this spread. The dimensional aspect of this spread is limitless. It is similar to a cut diamond that reflects light. I can see the multi-dimensions even before I have done a reading with it. It is definitely a spread to use in working with a querent who needs lots of information. I will definitely be using it for readings. Your card correspondences help to open up areas that a regular wheel spread does not.

Lady Marian

TheWomanMonster
January 11th, 2010, 12:03 PM
Oh I like this spread, very nice.
It's been a while since I've turned cards for myself perhaps I'll try this one out and let you know what I think.

Rev_Vesta
January 15th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Hi ...
had a look, had a play using RWS tarot... and found it very enlightning...
I definately have to have a real good look at it it is nearly 2am should be asleep.......so saved it (my reading and the info..)

Thank you....
for sharing this....

Vesta

CuBiC
January 15th, 2010, 08:15 PM
Thank you for all the kind words. :)

@1111: It might be similar to something that has been made already, I don't know, I just created it from a flash inspiration I had while learning the cards. If I'm ripping someone off unknowingly, I apologize. :P