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MonSno_LeeDra
January 18th, 2010, 01:22 PM
Of all goddesses I am aware of none has been more misappropriated than has the goddesses known as Artemis. Her current face before society badly distorted and disfigured by the feminist movement’s selective use of attributes. Her historical origins diluted as time has marched forward and group after group has changed her or reworked her to support their own belief or agenda.

Across the sands of time has she been called the Virgin Huntress of noted fame. Known as a Mistress of Animals in some locations, Wild forest goddess in others, Sister to Apollo in some saga’s and of unique birth in other’s. Many names and many guises have been overlaid upon her through out the ages. Yet who is the true Goddess Artemis? Who is to say or can truly say for she has been seen as many things by many people.

Her earliest Greek persona is that of the Arcadian Artemis. In this persona is she found to possess the characteristics she is so well known for. It is the Arcadian Artemis that is the Wild Woman of the Forest and goddess of Nymphs. The Goddess that spends all her time frolicking in the woods with her Nymphs and removed from man. Just one facet of the Artemis persona that would be painted later and used to tie her in comparison to the Roman Diana. Yet she holds no association to Apollo in this persona.

Her Olympian origin holds her as the daughter of Leto, sister to Apollo. Under this guise she is also known as Artemis Agrotera (The Huntress) and as Cynthia from her place of birth upon Mount Cynthus on Delos. The young daughter that is ever chaste and never to be dominated by man. She who carries a deep love of the wild places and the hunt, of both swift joy and swift reaction to a perceived injustice against her. A Daughter that is both associated with easy childbirth or death in childbirth by her silver arrows.

Yet older origins are hinted at in her association as Artemis, Lady of Ephesos (Ephesus). It is at Ephesos that her persona as Mistress of Animals is perhaps the best known. The so called many breasted statue giving rise to some facets of her possible older association with the goddess Cyebe. Yet her history at Ephesos shows her origins to be owed to the race known as Amazons, the female warrior society. Yet it is at Ephesos that her grandeur and splendor would rise up as one of the ancient wonders of the Old World, The Temple of Artemis. Her influence so strong and prevailing across time that it would be mentioned in the bible and become the birth place of the Cult which would rise up known as Mary, Lady of Ephesus in later years of Christianity.

Yet the Lady of Ephesus has no association to Apollo nor is she tied to the Olympian identifier. No the Lady of Ephesus is best tied to the stories of the Anatolian Artemis, as separate a divinity as could be imagined. Perhaps one of the greatest indicators of her none Olympian origins is the tacking of sides as recorded in the stories of the Trojan War. Like Apollo, Artemis to fought on the side of the Trojans and perhaps as Main land Greece rises in power and the Trojans are defeated so to is Artemis defeated by Hera who takes her bow and arrows and sends her fleeing. Potentially showing the rise of Mainland Greece over the outer regions and the final ordering of the position of the Anatolian Gods / Goddesses and their inclusion into the Olympian mythos.

Yet the Trojan War also introduces us to another face of the Anatolian Artemis, that being Artemis Turopolis or the Taurian Artemis. It is under the guise of the Taurian Artemis that we find the connection to the blood rites and associations to Hekate another Anatolian Goddess. We are introduced to the Taurian Artemis after Iphigeneia is demanded in sacrifice for an affront to Artemis in her sacred woods. An affront so great that she holds the entire Greek fleet bound until it is sated with sacrifice. As we follow the saga of Iphigeneia and Orestes do we see the migration of the Taurian Artemis back to Olympian Greece.

The Taurian Artemis would find a new home in the area of Brauron in Attica, whence the goddess derived the name of Brauronia. It is at Brauron where the young girls of Athens would be bound to serve the Goddess as Bear Dancers (Arkteia) to make amends for the killing of a bear at her sacred sanctuary. It is here also that the young girls would make sacrifice of their childhood things as they passed from childhood to adulthood and reached a marriageable age. Yet the story of Iphigeneia and Orestes does not end at Brauron though Iphigeneia’s part of the story does. No for the cult statue is believed by some to have been carried to Sparta.

It is at Sparta that Artemis becomes known as Artemis Orthia. Even at Orthia did the blood rites continue and become part of the annual stealing of the Cheese from the altar. The process where young boys were flogged as they tried to steal the cheese and the High Priestess held the image and decided if sufficient blood had been spilt upon it or not. If she was unable to hold it then the sacred relic demanded more blood and that the boys be whipped harder. Yet not only did the Taurian facet come but also the Mistress of Animals facet would be found at Othia.

Yet no single paper can touch upon all the facets of the goddess Artemis. At Ikaria she is known as the goddess of seafarers and mistress of the coastal sea creatures. At Sardis abt 60 miles from Ephesos was another of her temples built that would be listed as the 4th largest Ionic temple ever built, only matched in grandeur by Ephesos. Her temples and sanctuaries being found all over even as far away as Syracuse.

Time would find her equated to the Egyptian goddess Bast and Pahket by the local Greek communities which would arrive in Egypt over various time frames. Roman would equate her to their goddess Diana and would inter mingle their stories and legends, even to the point where Ephesus would take the name of Diana of Ephesus in places. In her own lands would she become associated with Selene the moon goddess and Hekate of the crossroads. Sometimes Artemis is seen as those goddess other times seen as sharing attributes of those goddesses.

No, of all the Goddesses I know none have been misidentified as greatly to my perspective as Artemis has. Be she known as the Goddess of Nymphs; Goddess of the Amazons; Virgin Huntress; Mistress of Animals; Far Shooter; Eternal Virgin or any of her other names and persona’s she is so much more than the feminist movements visual or the narrow scope that so many try to paint her into in today’s society. But each of us must find her in our own way I suppose but mine is to known her as deeply and honestly as I can. I do not color over her capacity for vengeance and demands. I do not enhance a single facet of her to support some hidden agenda. No not even to paint her in the light of perfection and purity that some would place her in.

No to me she is all of those things and none of them all at once. To me she is Artemis and demands I come to know her for whom she is not what they would select to present as her.

Caelestis ♥ Raven
January 18th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Very good and lovely at times information on Artemis.

Though I am curious, what exactly do you mean by these:


Her current face before society badly distorted and disfigured by the feminist movement’s selective use of attributes. Her historical origins diluted as time has marched forward and group after group has changed her or reworked her to support their own belief or agenda.
she is so much more than the feminist movements visual or the narrow scope that so many try to paint her into in today’s society.and yet you also say:

Who is to say or can truly say for she has been seen as many things by many people.
Artemis holds a place within my heart as well as my path. She was the first Goddess I connected with.

I have to go right now my DH is bugging me to go lol But I mostly I was just curious as to what you meant exactly. Perhaps I misunderstood?

Thank you though for sharing this :)

MonSno_LeeDra
January 18th, 2010, 02:47 PM
No I think badly of the feminist movement and their protrayal of Artemis. They select the Olympian facet of the tomboysih goddess who is wild and beholden to no man as the sign of their cause. Yet distort it so badly in many ways that it is a corruption of her legends and stories. Heck a distortion that has continued into many pagan books and pages in it's narrow scope of who she is.

They omit the goddess of childbirth and it's many facets that equally apply to the Olympian Artemis. They omit the cults that were both male and female until the age of marriage and adulthood and the fact of offerings made to Artemis as one crossed over. Even to the extent that part of the ceremony was the coming of blood with menstural cycle as a marker of a girls passage from the influence of Artemis to Demeter or Hera.

Even most of the lore they select and assign to the Olympian Artemis is the forest lore of the reclusive and independent Arcadian Artemis who had nothing to do with the Olympian Artemis. Heck they even omitted the restrictions and punishments that were inflicted upon her followers who broke those restrictions and codes associated with her. Yet once agian many of those codes not atributed to the Olympian Artemis but other facets of her various persona's.

Heck even the Arkteia (Bear Maidens) stand greatly outside of the things that are painted about them.

You are correct in that I do believe that no one thing can describe her for she is different based upon time and locale by each group that has worshipped and honored her. The Arcadian Artemis far different than the Anatolain Artemis still different than the Olympian Artemis.

Yet the thing to me is that all those ancient peoples could say what she was or was not to them for they worshipped her. The feminist movement simply wanted something they could distort and use as some ancient indicator of women's refusal to submit to evil man. A distortion that is not supported by saga, legend or tale if one looks to the picture and actually tries to understand the time and the people who worshipped her.

I find that many who claim to worship her today know as little about her as the movement that layed claim to her as a reflection of thier agenda.

LunarSoldier
January 20th, 2010, 03:29 AM
That must be one of the most deepest posts I've read about Artemis the Goddess.
To me, she's a Goddesses who represents the moon, the night, hunting, wild animals and also female mysteries. People respond to her in their own individual ways.

Caelestis ♥ Raven
January 21st, 2010, 01:08 PM
Everytime I have tried to post here the forum ate it lol. It is probably a sign that I shouldn't post or atleast what I was gonna say wasn't what I should lol


As a feminist and my path being that of a Goddess feminist path, I do not agree with your view on the distortion of the Goddess.

I do not believe we as a whole took Artemis as an easy image to distort for our evil man hating purpose.

I think everyone can agree that sadly there is alot of misinformation out there on all the deities and even paths. Alot of stuff gets printed where people have just skimmed over things they like and only discuss that. It happens and all we can do about it is to make sure we also get all the good info out there as well. All paths have their fair share of this going on.

But I think we need to be careful grouping everyone together like that. The whole throwing out the baby with the dishwater comes to mind.

In the feminist Goddess groups, circles and in many good books you will find that they have nothing but the upmost love, devotion, and respect for their deities including Artemis.

While in many discussions we often will sum up a deity in a few simple words, this doesn't mean all we see that deity is. Just as LunarSoldier wrote.

For many of us (though I can not speak for all) we are not hard polytheists. We often view the deities as archetypes or even symbols. Which would give us quite a different view of the gods then someone who views them as individual deities ofcourse.

just my 2 cents...

MonSno_LeeDra
January 21st, 2010, 01:28 PM
Caelestis ♥ Raven wrote: Everytime I have tried to post here the forum ate it lol. It is probably a sign that I shouldn't post or atleast what I was gonna say wasn't what I should lol


I can realate to that. I tried on a number of threads to post and they were eaten. I too also figure if I wrote out a large reply and it got destroyed then I shold take that as a sign I need to reconsider or step away until the emotion is released.



As a feminist and my path being that of a Goddess feminist path, I do not agree with your view on the distortion of the Goddess.


Not trying to be a smart arse about it but truthfully I would not expect it to be. NO that is not based upon the feminist perspective either, though to me your writings present an equalist not a feminist.



I do not believe we as a whole took Artemis as an easy image to distort for our evil man hating purpose.


That I would disagree on. I lived in the late 60's and 70's when a lot of it was ongoing. Saw much of it first hand, especially as the movment moved away from equality between the sexes to the lopsided view I saw coming into play in the 80's.



I think everyone can agree that sadly there is alot of misinformation out there on all the deities and even paths. Alot of stuff gets printed where people have just skimmed over things they like and only discuss that. It happens and all we can do about it is to make sure we also get all the good info out there as well. All paths have their fair share of this going on.


I very much agree there.



But I think we need to be careful grouping everyone together like that. The whole throwing out the baby with the dishwater comes to mind.


But to me that is the realility of the total group. But then again I tend to seperate the femnazi's (borrowed that by the way) and the equality movement.


In the feminist Goddess groups, circles and in many good books you will find that they have nothing but the upmost love, devotion, and respect for their deities including Artemis.

But in many ways it's not a matter of love, devotion etc. When you select which parts you want to observe you can be loving or devotional yet still miss the mark. When it comes to Artemis I see that a lot. Especially to the extent of which period and persona is being groomed to support ones position.


While in many discussions we often will sum up a deity in a few simple words, this doesn't mean all we see that deity is. Just as LunarSoldier wrote.

I don't disagree. In fact the words we use I think tend to be reflective of the facet or apperance that the goddess / god in question holds for us. For me Artemis demands I know all of her (well as much as I can learn anyway) not just the most commonly accepted stories or facets.


For many of us (though I can not speak for all) we are not hard polytheists. We often view the deities as archetypes or even symbols. Which would give us quite a different view of the gods then someone who views them as individual deities ofcourse.

I can understand and equate to that.


just my 2 cents...

Not a problem I enjoy people's 2 cents most of the time. Yes I enjoyed your 2 cents here.