The Occult and Demonology

[Midnight hunter]

Im interested in the Occult and Demonology quite a bit and was wondering what Spells, Books, and the like you could recommend my way. Im interested mostly in anything pre-christian ( I have accsess to plenty of info in that are as it is) that involves the info on both demons and sprits, invoking and summoning such creatures, how to bind them, banish them, and protect my self and others from them. Please tell me what you can and are willing to tell.:evilway:

[FireryWings]

I don't know much about demons except that I wouldn't ever want to run across them. A good protection spell, and banishing spell would be good, but I don't know if you'd want to invoke many of them. They are very temper-mental and cansense when someone doesn't know what they are doing, like many animals can. Good luck with whatever you do, and my opinion is very biased since I very much do not like demons.

Blessed Be!!:sunny:

[Midnight hunter]

thank you for your concern. I would never want in summon a demon like you said they are very dangerous, Its more just incase sommone else did so I know what they did. And Thank you again for your concern its much apprecitated.

[Marchosias]

Hello hunter, and welcome!
I too, am very much interested in the subject, and have a good deal of sources tucked away, perhaps we can talk. On another note, a good few of them point out that you should not use a circle, or try and "banish" them. This is the same with all Luciferian, and some Satanic, magick. One of the main points is to realize that this demon is much more powerful than you will ever be, and you dont want to piss it off. Things can still go wrong though, so use at your own risk, and be respectful. I can think of no reason for a demon to want to hurt you, unless you piss it off. Hint: trying to be bound in a circle, and being ordered around by a mortal would probably NOT be high on their list of "things to do today"

[Flar's Freyja]

Thanks, Marchosias, I hope you'll be able to continue to assist because I know very little about this subject.

I don't believe in demons and I believe that by believing in them, we give them power and open the door to allowing them to mess with us. Just my individual opinion and certainly not right or wrong.

[Stacy]

I agree.. when you start believing, that's when they can hurt you..

Be careful with those stuff.. To be able to deal with "dark" power, you need to know how to think dark.. JMO..

But, I don't have too much knowledge on this subject..

:sunny: and Bright Blessings to you

[Midnight hunter]

I would never want to bring one of the creatures into our world and hold them aginst their will that is good way to get on ones bad side (Like Marchosais said) from my understanding. Hey Marchosais do you have AIM? (And Ozzy's 'Mr. Crowley' starts playing as finsh typing this)

[Raevyn]

Not to be too obvious, but Goetia?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib800.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/mtp.txt

Also important is http://www.google.ca/search?q=goetia+demonology&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&meta= with lots of resources.

[Midnight hunter]

Thank you Raeyvn those three texts are quite interesting (havent read all of them yet) I even found a few more that might be off help to me on that site thank you again.

[SagaDraco]

It is effectively impossible to summon a demon for two major reasons:

1. The amount of energy required to not only tear into their dimension, but also "grab" one is immense, and could not easily be gotten. Then you have to make it obey you once it's here. All legends refer to needed sacrifice(s) or self-mutiliation to appease "it".

2. The actual circles and symbols are mistranslated, coded, and based on older cultures.......which are based on older mistranslated cultures. Also, the demons are known only by Babylonian, Hebrew, and Chaldean names, and really only reflect local superstitions. I don't think a human could ever pronounce a demons name! Too complex and would take quite a bit of time I imagine.

Truthfully, I think "demons" were just lost horrific looking monsters, perhaps from a dimension anomaly or spacecraft crash? The same could be said of the "gods" as well.

[Rick]

Originally posted by SagaDraco
It is effectively impossible to summon a demon for two major reasons:

1. The amount of energy required to not only tear into their dimension, but also "grab" one is immense, and could not easily be gotten. Then you have to make it obey you once it's here. All legends refer to needed sacrifice(s) or self-mutiliation to appease "it".

2. The actual circles and symbols are mistranslated, coded, and based on older cultures.......which are based on older mistranslated cultures. Also, the demons are known only by Babylonian, Hebrew, and Chaldean names, and really only reflect local superstitions. I don't think a human could ever pronounce a demons name! Too complex and would take quite a bit of time I imagine.

Truthfully, I think "demons" were just lost horrific looking monsters, perhaps from a dimension anomaly or spacecraft crash? The same could be said of the "gods" as well.
Could you cite your sources?

[Midnight hunter]

Those are good and valid points Saga. Thank you for your input.

[Raevyn]

Actually, often the ritual includes casting a circle and saying certain prayers, rather then "tearing into a dimension and grabbing one", and as far as I've seen haven't included sacrifices such as you mention.

I'm also not sure why the origin of the names matters - Aset's name originated in Kemet as did the myth surrounding her, that doesn't mean I can't call her or work with her here? Most people believe that goes for any type of deity or spirit - why should nonphysical entities be constrained by physical boundaries?

Finally, as I've been looking through grimoires and lists of demon's names, I find many of them aren't hard to pronounce.

You can actually find a lot of information and grimoires surrounding the how's and why's and including personal accounts of success.

[Midnight hunter]

Now Saga I see things the wat Raevyn does which is quite diffrent then you do.

[Mogget]

As a newbie to the board I realise I am susceptable to high levels of questioning and scepticism, bearing that in mind, it has been my experience and remains my opinion that:

Any magickal practice is only as dangerous as the person doing it believes it to be, whether at conscious or unconscious levels.

In my experience Evoking spirits, whether Angelic or Demonic in nature, is no more difficult, dangerous or morally questionable than any other magickal working... and I personally prefer Evokation to Invokation.

I have found it unneccessary (thankfully!) to follow the immense complex, and ridiculously long Rituals as described in The Goetia, The Key of Solomon, and the like... nor has it been necessary to threaten, cajole or sacrifice to get good working results.

At any given time we have a a couple of unbanished entities roaming our home, and I might add, behaving wonderfully, not even the cat cares about them- though he does watch them :)

Now all of that is JUST my personal experience; though it is experience reflected by the experiences of my partner and half a dozen or so other practicing magicians I know and have worked magick with.

I don't personally know anyone who has been harmed (or even distressed) by a spirit they have summoned, however informally... though I know a few who have been troubled by un-invited entities/energies. Again, just my experience...

I know already that the 'popular' opinions about evokation of Demonic spirits range form them being evil and dangerous, to completeley silly Buffy like monsters, I just wanted to add the take (from experience at having worked with them) that I have found them to be about as helpful and friendly as the average human (not saying a LOT, I know!), and considerably more useful than many!

As has been mentioned already by others, courtesy and respect to the Spirit tend to result in far more compliance than declaring your God-given right to abuse it.

A FANTASTIC and VERY human description of working with Evokation of Spirits can be found in "My Life With The Spirits" by Lon Milo Duquette, it is a great read and very entertaining.


Has anyone else had much actual experience with Evokation of Spirits? It would be nice to have someone to exchange experiences with :)

Mogget, just throwing in another view

[Rick]

Mogget, you're experiences seem to run fairly parallel with my own...

[SagaDraco]

"Actually, often the ritual includes casting a circle and saying certain prayers, rather then "tearing into a dimension and grabbing one", and as far as I've seen haven't included sacrifices such as you mention.

I'm also not sure why the origin of the names matters - Aset's name originated in Kemet as did the myth surrounding her, that doesn't mean I can't call her or work with her here? Most people believe that goes for any type of deity or spirit - why should nonphysical entities be constrained by physical boundaries?

Finally, as I've been looking through grimoires and lists of demon's names, I find many of them aren't hard to pronounce.

You can actually find a lot of information and grimoires surrounding the how's and why's and including personal accounts of success."

Sigh. Well, if you want to believe $12.99 New Age books and "ancient"(written by some sleazy guy two months ago) texts, go for it. If you really think something as dangerous and potentially destructive as summoning could just be "looked up", you are being tricked. Personal accounts of sucess? Uh huh. People who pull something like this off would be lounging on the French Rivierra and closely guarding their secrets, not recounting them to some hack author. Also, one other important point:

Quite a few "summoners" are just delusional. They want something to work so bad, and put so much time into it, they literally create their own spirit, much like a childs imaginary friend. This why they do as their told, since they are just an imaginary extension of their "creators" desires. Folks, I'll say it before and I'll say it again, real magic, stuff that can alter the physical universe, can not be bought for $12.99 at amazon.com, nor will it be available to the public. Yeah, some of those make for good reading, I myself found the Grimorie of Armadel amusing, but like I said, those old European books are just mistranslated books based on mistranslated older legends.

[Rick]

Originally posted by SagaDraco
"Actually, often the ritual includes casting a circle and saying certain prayers, rather then "tearing into a dimension and grabbing one", and as far as I've seen haven't included sacrifices such as you mention.

I'm also not sure why the origin of the names matters - Aset's name originated in Kemet as did the myth surrounding her, that doesn't mean I can't call her or work with her here? Most people believe that goes for any type of deity or spirit - why should nonphysical entities be constrained by physical boundaries?

Finally, as I've been looking through grimoires and lists of demon's names, I find many of them aren't hard to pronounce.

You can actually find a lot of information and grimoires surrounding the how's and why's and including personal accounts of success."

Sigh. Well, if you want to believe $12.99 New Age books and "ancient"(written by some sleazy guy two months ago) texts, go for it. If you really think something as dangerous and potentially destructive as summoning could just be "looked up", you are being tricked. Personal accounts of sucess? Uh huh. People who pull something like this off would be lounging on the French Rivierra and closely guarding their secrets, not recounting them to some hack author. Also, one other important point:

Quite a few "summoners" are just delusional. They want something to work so bad, and put so much time into it, they literally create their own spirit, much like a childs imaginary friend. This why they do as their told, since they are just an imaginary extension of their "creators" desires. Folks, I'll say it before and I'll say it again, real magic, stuff that can alter the physical universe, can not be bought for $12.99 at amazon.com, nor will it be available to the public. Yeah, some of those make for good reading, I myself found the Grimorie of Armadel amusing, but like I said, those old European books are just mistranslated books based on mistranslated older legends.
Well, in your less-than-humble-opinion, anyway... most of what you posted earlier sounds like your source was B-movie sci-fi...

P.S. FUTHARK A Handbook of Rune Magic by Edred Thorsson is on sale at amazon.com (http://amazon.com) for $10.47 + S&H... I've altered my physical universe with information from it...

[Raevyn]

New Age books and "ancient"(written by some sleazy guy two months ago) texts, go for it.

Actually, I was looking at the greater and lesser keys of solomon, and the sixth and seventh books of Moses at the time. I believe they are substantially more then "two months old" (if I recall correctly I provided some links earlier in the thread to them). By the way, you never did mention your sources..?


Quite a few "summoners" are just delusional. They want something to work so bad, and put so much time into it, they literally create their own spirit, much like a childs imaginary friend.

Of course that could be said of any spirit, and for that matter it could be said that demons don't really exist - that they are merely constructs. I'm not sure there's a way to prove an individual now is just "making it up" whereas in "ancient times" people weren't (if you can say "well they just wanted it so bad they made imaginary friends" now I don't know why that same assumption couldn't be made for people *then*).

[Semele]

Originally posted by SagaDraco
[B Folks, I'll say it before and I'll say it again, real magic, stuff that can alter the physical universe, can not be bought for $12.99 at amazon.com, nor will it be available to the public. [/B]

Real magic doesn't come from a book, you are right. But I don't think you KNOW where it comes from. It is availiable to the public, if only they have the WILL to make it happen.

Of course this is my opinion.

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Semele
Real magic doesn't come from a book, you are right. But I don't think you KNOW where it comes from. It is availiable to the public, if only they have the WILL to make it happen.

Of course this is my opinion.

And if they open their minds to see it..........

Nice to see you, Site Goddess! If we'd know you were coming, we'd have cleaned the place up a bit..........;)

[Midnight hunter]

thank you all most of you have been a help. Mogget you and Raevyn both have been of quite of help. I am currently getting every thing back on my comp couldnt transfer my old stuff back to my new comp at least I kept my computer copy of my Grimorie on a disk as well ( I dont have to re translate it and type it back out) but thank you everyone. My personal thoughts run along the lines of magic only works becuse we want it to work we could create our own spells and expect them to work becuse we know in our sub concius mind that they will we have trained our selves in this manner when we started to practice, so even if a book that was claimed to be ancient was written by a slezze bag only two months ago but that we expect the stuff in it to work then most if not all of it will work this is also how I see the Necromonicon if ot was written a thousand years ago or if it was written in the 70's I dont care. Yeah I own a copy its has good stories in it in any case even if it is considered next to useless. But thats just me and my three and half doller woth of pennies

[AmbivalentMirage]

At one point, a few years ago, I dabbled in some demonic magick... Not my best idea yet.

My life has always been rather...um...supernatural and irregular. I started having premonitions and scrying experiences when I was four and things developed pretty far past there. ;)

I would highly suggest avoiding demons at all cost. The price you pay for meeting one is far too great. However, if you are in the unpleasant situation of having a demon interrupting your life and you cannot think of anything you did to provoke this, I have a simple suggestion. Try upping your magickal workings but do NOT direct them at the demon. Continue to do positive magick to make the demon uncomfortable and want to leave. If there is anything evil hates, it is positive energy. So, add more positive energies to your life and your workings and that should be enough to rid yourself of a demon without a four-hour ritual that could get your spiritual ass kicked. ;)

[tabcat]

Ok. I'm a newbie and I know nothing. So...
Why in the name of Goddess would ANYONE want to summon a demon? I have enough demons of my own to deal with without asking more to hang out with me! As for having entities hanging around the house: my currant home is the first "clean" home I've ever lived in --no ghosts, no spirits, no anything. Well, ok, my cat Mophus who died last year still hangs out, but that's different. Actually, come to think of it, I haven't seen her for a while. Wonder where she is? Anyway, I rather enjoy living in a house in which objects don't mysteriously vanish or fly through the room and break (or not), lights are not turned on and off, and no one zaps the t.v. in the middle of a good movie. Peace and quiet can be a wonderful thing.
Just the thoughts of a newcomer.

[Raevyn]

Why? Because demons can be very ancient and strong entities, which can be helpful if you're doing something particularly important. At the same time, they aren't just red guys with horns and tails and pitchforks running around. While they're probably not the sweethearts of the spiritual world they aren't necessarily 100% monster either.

[Marchosias]

Took the words right out of my mouth Raevyn.

[finnbheara3]

Here's a site you might find helpful...or at least interesting.

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

Blessings!
Finn