Do Vampires and werewolves exist?

[BeautyQueen]

hey friends!
as you believe in magic so you might believe in the fact that vampire exist? and werewolves as well exist? Do you have any theory for this as well?

[Evinmeer]

Personal belief? No, at least not in the physical fangs and fur kind of way. Also, if they did exist, I highly doubt they'd be anything like how the media portrays them - what part of independently mobile, carniverous nature is seductive or beguiling? In truth, werewolves would be the more likely-to-exist creature. Predators - which by the way, are any animal that eats other animals, regardless of whether they have salad with their steak - don't, as a general rule of thumb, entice their meals into being eaten voluntarily. They stalk, they pounce-charge-snag-or-what-have-you, and they eat. They do this because it is in their genetics to do so; ie, they have evolved to rely on flesh as their sole nourishment. It's not an option. Show me one "vampire" that lives on blood alone, whose only source of hydration and energy is plasma, platelets and hemoglobin - that's a vampire. The only REAL example of a mammal that can survive this way is the actual vampire bat (http://philadelphiazoo.blogspot.com/2007/03/national-nutrition-month-vampire-bats.html):


The challenge of feeding vampire bats at the zoo is they ONLY eat blood. In the wild, bats eat fresh blood directly from the wound and prevent it from clotting with an anticoagulant in their saliva. To feed these animals at the zoo we must acquire blood from cattle and prevent it from clotting until it is fed to the bats. This is a complicated process and one we accomplish with the help of the Penn State University. To keep the blood from clotting, the students add an anticoagulant. If the students do not add exactly the right amount of anticoagulant the blood will clot and be unusable. Not only does the blood need to be clot-free it also must be free of potentially harmful bacteria. Vampire bats are very sensitive to contamination and will not eat blood that is contaminated. Bacteria can grow very quickly in fresh blood so students follow a strict set of instructions for blood collection and handling designed to prevent bacterial contamination. Adult vampire bats weigh only about 1 ½ ounces and will eat almost their body weight in blood daily, they must feed at least every 12 – 18 hours. In zoos, water is provided for the bats even though under normal circumstances the bats do not drink water. When the blood is contaminated, the bats will drink water rather than blood – this is the first indication something in wrong with the blood, the level of contamination the bats will accept is so low the keepers cannot determine the blood is bad by sight or smell. If the blood is contaminated the zoo has less than 12 hours to correct the situation before the animals are at risk. To prevent this, the zoo analyzes every batch of blood for bacterial contamination before it is offered to the bats.


The average human weighs somewhere around 150Lbs; that's 2400oz. The bat has to eat almost it's weight in blood every time the clock hands do a 360*+; so 2400 fl oz(US) = 18.7500 gal(US Liq), or 18 gal and 6.00 pt of blood to feed a human vampire. The average adult body has roughly 5 quarts or so of blood, which equals about 1 1/4 gal of blood. If a 150Lb human vampire needs 18+ gal of blood, they would need to completely drain 14 average size adults and maybe a toddler or two every 12+ hrs. How, pray tell me, is a vampire going to keep themselves fed? The morgue? Even freshly dead bodies' blood is too old, too contaminated. The blood bank? You couldn't steal sufficient amounts often enough without getting caught, and I don't even want to know how much money you'd need to pay for the meal if you tried it the legitimate way. Murder? You'd better get super powers from drinking human blood then, or there's no way you could move fast enough to kill enough in enough different places not to rouse suspicion. Not to mention how you'd guarantee that your blood isn't spiked with Hep or HIV or other lovely disorders.

And werewolves? Ok, so you'd have to lock yourself up during a full moon (assuming the morph is involuntary); at best, you get addicted to changing whenever it was more convenient (assuming the morph is voluntary) and your other werewolf buddies have to put an intervention on your ass. But all in all, you could pull off being a werewolf a lot easier than you could a vampire.

I still don't think either creature exists in this world though. It's existence in alternate realms is dependent on those realms actual existence, I imagine.

[Glowy]

No. I do not believe they do.

Now, there are people and members here that connect deeply to the spirit of the wolf, and experience the give and or take of human energy either by psi or sanguine vamps.

I have no experience with that so I will not comment further. I belive that if you pop over to the Paranormal section and search, you may find far more eloquent answers than mine/

[Shanti]

hey friends!
as you believe in magic so you might believe in the fact that vampire exist? and werewolves as well exist? Do you have any theory for this as well?For starters, their exsistance is not fact. ;)
And in answer to the question....No, not the immortal blood sucking VP's and not the change into a dog and then back into a human scenario.
Now psychic vampires sure I believe in them, met a few.
Poeple with a canine spirit, yeah, believe in them too and met a few.

[TheWomanMonster]

I don't believe in the movie monster version of vampires or werewolves.
I do believe in psivamps (and sanguine or tantric vamps as a bridge of that).
I do believe in 'otherkin' (people closely linked to animal spirits).

[Mider]

I do believe in magic..not so much so with Vampires, but i do believe in werewolves, and i can tell you how to become one. :toofless:

[Gabbiestar]

For starters, their exsistance is not fact. ;)
And in answer to the question....No, not the immortal blood sucking VP's and not the change into a dog and then back into a human scenario.
Now psychic vampires sure I believe in them, met a few.
Poeple with a canine spirit, yeah, believe in them too and met a few.

Same here.

[Amilee]

Hey, I'd say I'm Other kin. It's not something I advertise to the whole world but I suppose it could be considered "Were" like.

For me it's feline in nature though.

Do I run around naked or transform? Absolutely not. In fact very rarely do I do anything more than the occasional hiss or meow.

It's more in the way I carry myself, my personality and my actions reflect a feline type quality.

For vampires. Psi Vamps are awful. I've met more than a few and yuck. I hate being around them.

[David19]

I don't believe in the movie monster version of vampires or werewolves.
I do believe in psivamps (and sanguine or tantric vamps as a bridge of that).
I do believe in 'otherkin' (people closely linked to animal spirits).

If you don't mind me asking, what are Tantric vamps? _inabox_.

[David19]

Well, personally, I do believe in them, but, I doubt there are physical ones, I think maybe they exist in other realms, and/or perhaps can incarnate here (maybe that's what Sang vamps are?, and other Otherkin).

That said, sometimes, I like to think that maybe it could be possible for the vampire of folklore to be real and physical, although, maybe they just avoid publicity (I want to get 'The Secret History of Vampires: Their Multiple Forms and Hidden Purposes' by Claude Lecouteux (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Vampires-Multiple-Purposes/dp/1594773254), which, from the bits I've read in the shops, is very amazing, and is scholarly, yet readable).

That said, I'd be skeptical of people who claim to be vamps or werewolves as well.

[TheWomanMonster]

If you don't mind me asking, what are Tantric vamps? _inabox_.

Tantric vamps are those who would use sexual energy to replenish their supply.

[Lady Fang]

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For vampires. Psi Vamps are awful. I've met more than a few and yuck. I hate being around them.



As a Psychic Vampire I feel insulted. Many of us don't know how to control it. Believe me it's more of curse. If you know anything of energy, everything produces it's own energy. Imagine one day, you own energy is no longer producing. You feel so tired, and drained, your third eye is hazy (which by the way affects your whole body). As a Psivamp you can only take so much energy from inanimate objects and small animals. And it gets to a point where don't even know you are taking other people's enery.

Fun Fact, Most Empaths that i have met are also Psychihc vampires. I think it may be some strange side effect. But that's just me.

Anyway, I would suggest that when you meet a person who may be a Psychic vampire to ask them. Many people don't know that they are until someone tells them, "hey quit taking my energy."
It can be controlled. Fortunately I have found a way use it for Emotional Healing of all things.

Also it is unfortunate that only materials i can find on Psychic Vampires is stuff like "How to protects yourself from an attack." Believe me it is not like that. We do not delibrately take all of your energy. Like i said, most of either Don't know we are are one, or don't realize when we channel the energy.

[TheWomanMonster]

It's a generalization.
I'm a psivamp too and everyone loves me.
:cutie:

edit to add: I also admin on a psivamp site designed to help those who are energy deficient, PM me for details if you wish.

[BeautyQueen]

well to be honest, i do not believe in any such thing and i was not expecting so serious replies from you guys. :s but really i wonder on your thoughts but sure everyone is open to his opinions.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)i am a bit scared now :D

[Annyka]

Anyway, I would suggest that when you meet a person who may be a Psychic vampire to ask them. Many people don't know that they are until someone tells them, "hey quit taking my energy."
It can be controlled. Fortunately I have found a way use it for Emotional Healing of all things.

Considering it is often involuntary, what if the person who is taking my energy is one who doesn't believe in that sort of thing. I know of a couple of people I'd classify as Psy-vamps that don't believe in magic, or anything that might fall under the 'pagan' or 'new-age' banner or even closely to it.

I believe that Psy-vamps exist (I also agree that these people often don't realise it and it may not always be a permanent state of mind either).
I believe that werewolfs probably also exist, but not in the manner that is portrayed in 'hollywood'. I don't believe in otherkin in the same manner as most understand otherkin to be, but have my own long-winded explanation for their experiences/feelings...

[David19]

Tantric vamps are those who would use sexual energy to replenish their supply.

Thanks for informing me :).

[David19]

As a Psychic Vampire I feel insulted. Many of us don't know how to control it. Believe me it's more of curse. If you know anything of energy, everything produces it's own energy. Imagine one day, you own energy is no longer producing. You feel so tired, and drained, your third eye is hazy (which by the way affects your whole body). As a Psivamp you can only take so much energy from inanimate objects and small animals. And it gets to a point where don't even know you are taking other people's enery.

Fun Fact, Most Empaths that i have met are also Psychihc vampires. I think it may be some strange side effect. But that's just me.

Anyway, I would suggest that when you meet a person who may be a Psychic vampire to ask them. Many people don't know that they are until someone tells them, "hey quit taking my energy."
It can be controlled. Fortunately I have found a way use it for Emotional Healing of all things.

Also it is unfortunate that only materials i can find on Psychic Vampires is stuff like "How to protects yourself from an attack." Believe me it is not like that. We do not delibrately take all of your energy. Like i said, most of either Don't know we are are one, or don't realize when we channel the energy.

Have you read 'The Psychic Vampire Codex: A Manual of Magick and Energy Work' by Michelle A Belanger (http://www.amazon.com/Psychic-Vampire-Codex-Manual-Magick/dp/1578633214)?, apparantly, that's quite good for Psi Vamps, and others, and, if I'm not mistaken Belanger is a Psi Vamp herself. It might be worth a look if you haven't seen it before. You can read it online (http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vc/index.htm), although, there's a more up-to-date, expanded one available to buy.

[Dragonia]

I don't believe in otherkin in the same manner as most understand otherkin to be, but have my own long-winded explanation for their experiences/feelings...
I would love to hear your explanation if you don't mind? :) If you know something that, in my almost ten years of soul-searching, I haven't found, I need to know. :hahugh:

Just to make sure we're on the same page, Otherkin are those who at least one of their past lives has been on another planet/dimension besides Earth. Nothing fancy, at it's core it's just reincarnation. :)

As for werewolves and vampires, a few years ago I found out that I'm probably a psy vamp but I don't know how to control it and never messed about with it because I'd have no idea what I was doing. It goes very well with my empathy though, makes others easier to read.

[Annyka]

Just to make sure we're on the same page, Otherkin are those who at least one of their past lives has been on another planet/dimension besides Earth. Nothing fancy, at it's core it's just reincarnation. :)

Your definition is more along the lines of what I believe. According the those I've spoken to that claim to be Otherkin, they believe their soul to be that of another creature, whether it from this planet/dimension or other planets and dimensions. So they can be a wolf living in a human body, or an alien in a human body or something of the sort.

I believe in reincarnation. According to Kemetic belief (which is what I follow), you have many facets to your own soul. Two of these being the eternal soul (ba) and current life soul (ka). I believe that once you finish with this life, you are to move onto another life with your ba (at your will) and your Ka (pending judgement) resides in the summerlands or is eaten by ammit (in which case you are joined with your Ba too).

I also follow the Kemetic Orthodox stance that once a human Ba is created, it is always human. I do, however, believe a soul of one creature may be able to reside for a short time in the body of another soul to learn from it, which can help us gain other perspectives from them. So, for example, you can maybe reside in a 'dog's body' with that dog, to observe its life in between your actual ka-lives. I think this attributes to why other people think they have 'animal' past lives/souls, as they may have resided in an animal, which has left an imprint of sorts.

I also think this may explain otherkins, as it may have been their 'last life' that they were residing in the creature, and as they are different to the usual 'human' vessel, they are more 'aware' of the features and still 'feel' as though they are of that creature.

[Dragonia]

Annyka, that sounds very interesting and makes alot of sense to me. I think I'm going to have to look more into the Kemetic beliefs. Thank you for sharing this. :)

[Annyka]

just to make sure you know - not all kemetics believe in re-incarnation. I think the wording of my last post may lead to a bit of a misunderstanding. Kemetics believe in the parts of souls (Ba and Ka) and that once a human soul always a human soul.

There is no formal 'stance' on reincarnation and some believe in it and some don't. The last post of mine was my personal beliefs based on what I believe being Kemetic Orthodox.

[Benvarry]

No. They make for some good stories, though.

[Dragonia]

just to make sure you know - not all kemetics believe in re-incarnation. I think the wording of my last post may lead to a bit of a misunderstanding. Kemetics believe in the parts of souls (Ba and Ka) and that once a human soul always a human soul.

There is no formal 'stance' on reincarnation and some believe in it and some don't. The last post of mine was my personal beliefs based on what I believe being Kemetic Orthodox.
Thank you Annyka. I understand what you mean, thanks for taking the time to explain all this. I googled and read alittle about your religion and it does sound very interesting. I'll probably read some more tomorrow. You learn something new every day. :)

[notluad666]

I believe they exist in other realms and maybe this on even on our planet._inabox_:awilly::ahhhh::eek:

[WillowBrooke]

I don't believe they exist. Shame, wish they existed - True Blood style! Mmmm sexy! x

[Infinite Grey]

Not really. You could make the argument that some physical and mental disorders resemble both the pop and classic renditions of vampires/werewolves - but that's like saying albinos prove ghosts exist.

[Mider]

I do believe in magic..not so much so with Vampires, but i do believe in werewolves, and i can tell you how to become one. :toofless:


LoL..i always find it amazing, when i tell people that I know how to become a werewolf, and nobody inquires..

[Infinite Grey]

LoL..i always find it amazing, when i tell people that I know how to become a werewolf, and nobody inquires..

You really find that amazing? :wtf:

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Probability wise I'd say no unless it is some sort of medical disorder that gives the apperance of Vampiric or Lycanthropic apperances.

That said it seem's logical to me that if a true Vampire or Were-creature existed they would not be broadcasting that fact. It would to me seem that such a creature(s) would be very mobile to not alert thier food source of thier presence. Each would be an apex preditor in what ever area they were to be found.

In the modern sense such a situation I do not think would go un-noticed. Granted it might take the form of the Vampiric community in Steven Kings book Salem's Lot that survived on animal blood or the format of the movie The Howling in a remote and secluded area.

[WildThing]

I'm up-in-the-air about whether the possibility of shapeshifting existing. There are alot of scientific issues with it, but some of the question marks don't seem that unreasonable to get around magickally. That said, never having tried it, I can't truly sign off on it. It'd be really neat, imo, if were's did exist.
Otherkin, sure. I believe in reincarnation, so I figure it's entirely possible to have been something other than human in your past life.

Vampires? Psi and sanguine are the closest I can find to the fiction. The only immortal...ish types I've ever found any evidence to...are spirits, not physical beings and I've a question about their intelligence/sentience in a general sense. Parasitic critters, mostly...NOT predatory.

[Terra Mater]

We get people all the time who think that because they have an attraction for something that they are either a were version of it or an Otherkin.

My youngest son can speak in meows, growls, has pointed teeth, and is nimble as a cat. Is he a feline Otherkin? No, he has Asperger's Syndrome and has worked hard to overcome the few physical limitations he started out with because of it.

Whereas I have problems with sunlight, prefer my meat as raw as possible, thrive on a nocturnal schedule, and have almost preternatural senses (hearing, smell, taste). Does that make me a vampire? Nope, but a lot of people I know are firmly convinced that I am the closeest thing to a real vamp they have ever met.

I ccan imagine what people would have thought of me and my son a few hundred years ago.:toofless: