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Erebos
February 11th, 2011, 12:33 AM
These are just some thoughts I've had rolling around my head, and I just thought I'd get them out and see what other people think.

In most traditions of pagan Witchcraft, the gods are considered immanent, dwelling within the natural world. The Goddess is the beauty of the green earth, the white moon among the stars, and the mysteries of the waters; the soul of nature who gives life to the universe. The source of all creation. All of nature is a manifestation and expression of her infinite being. The God, too, is immanent, as the spirit of creation itself. She is the birth-giver; he is all that is born, dies and is reborn, and he too is an expression of the source that is the Mother. The gods flow through all.

What does this have to do with magic? As we humans are a part of nature, and therefore an expression of manifest deity, we share in the divinity that flows through all and its power. Of course, the gods are greater and more powerful than we are, but we still contain the divine spark and have the "right" to direct the life force energy (called prana or chi) for our own desires.

Another reason why magic is compatible with the concept of immanent deity is because we don't believe the gods are transcendent, somewhere "up there" listening to our prayers, communicating with us rationally. For many Witches, divinity is everywhere, experienced and manifested through the life process. This kind of divinity is hard to communicate with rationally, as the Divine Life of the universe probably doesn't speak English (or any human language). Instead, we communicate with the universe through symbolism, through what many people call spells.

They are a way of communicating with what Starhawk calls Younger Self, the unconscious mind or the animal/appetitive part of the soul. In Feri Tradition, Younger Self communicates directly with the Deep Self, or the divine part of the soul, while Talking Self (the rational part of the soul, or conscious mind) does not. For example, telling the all-pervading Divine Life of the universe what you want only in words and prayers is often not very effective because a person is using their rational mind to communicate with something it has no contact with. Using props, like a green candle inscribed with money symbols for prosperity, and focusing on one's desire this way is a way of communicating with the unconscious mind in a symbolic language it understands, and it then communicates with the Divine Self, which is a person's connection to Divinity as a whole. In this way, magic is similar to prayer in a Witches' worldview.

I also believe magical practice is just a conscious, intentional way of doing what we do unconsciously all the time, manipulating the life force energy around us for our benefit (though whether it works or not in wither case depends on the tides in which it is flowing - often there are greater powers at work beyond ourselves). It is not supernatural or inherently mischievous, no matter what certain religious institutions say. Not to get into the history of social attitudes towards magic and what has been labeled as "witchcraft", but organized religious cults (in the social worship sense, not the modern sense) have always been suspicious of what people did outside of cult worship. The sociologist Emile Durkheim even distinguished religion from magic in terms of social versus individual. By his definition, the only difference between them was that religion was social, and magic was what one did on one's own, which had been a common notion throughout history. Religion and magic are often the same thing, distinguished only by what is socially acceptable and public rather than private and questionable (since it is outside of cult authority).

For the pagan Witch, then, magic is a way of communicating with one's own divine nature and tuning oneself to the natural flow of life force and directing it in one's favor. It is a way of experiencing something that cannot be understood rationally, and communing with the immanent divinity in the world through a language of symbols rather than linear conversation.

Micheál
February 11th, 2011, 01:07 PM
Good topic, because you'll find in pagan-witchcraft that although the Gods can be considered the faint echo of the titanic forces , energy, and love that creates, sustains, and destroys the universe, deity is also considered immanent, and since we have emanation from deity, with their immanence within us, it gives us a symbiotic relationship that makes us interdependent(in Wicca at least)

There are thin lines between magic, religion, and science. So thin are the lines, that(although we can posses our own personal distinctions) it continues to be controversial to distinguish between them among historians and anthropologists. Hutton made a good point by stating that it's virtually impossible to render an absolute distinction between them, as opposed to recognising their core areas of concern. All definitions that stem from doing so are culturally specific, with different people categorising each phenomena with different strategies&concept of language.

Many pagan witchcraft traditions are non-intercessory, without a constant need to satisfy divine beings. Religious witchcraft and mystery traditions like Wicca have practitioners that are initiated as "Witches"&"Priest/esses," maintaining roots in both ancient pagan religion&( a form of) ceremonial magic(k),(although you'll find some traditions maintaining one without the other) which is why they're considered both religious&magical traditions.

Erebos
February 12th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Good topic, because you'll find in pagan-witchcraft that although the Gods can be considered the faint echo of the titanic forces , energy, and love that creates, sustains, and destroys the universe, deity is also considered immanent, and since we have emanation from deity, with their immanence within us, it gives us a symbiotic relationship that makes us interdependent(in Wicca at least)

That's true. I don't follow any particular tradition of Witchcraft myself, although I lean closest towards the Feri/Faery tradition. From the perspective of that tradition, God Herself (also called Star Goddess) is considered the fabric of all, immanent and interwoven through the whole of the material universe. The other gods may not always be immanent, but the Goddess is. I can't speak for other traditions, especially since I've always found it hard to wrap my head around Wiccan theology.


There are thin lines between magic, religion, and science. So thin are the lines, that(although we can posses our own personal distinctions) it continues to be controversial to distinguish between them among historians and anthropologists. Hutton made a good point by stating that it's virtually impossible to render an absolute distinction between them, as opposed to recognising their core areas of concern. All definitions that stem from doing so are culturally specific, with different people categorising each phenomena with different strategies&concept of language.

Agreed.


Many pagan witchcraft traditions are non-intercessory, without a constant need to satisfy divine beings. Religious witchcraft and mystery traditions like Wicca have practitioners that are initiated as "Witches"&"Priest/esses," maintaining roots in both ancient pagan religion&( a form of) ceremonial magic(k),(although you'll find some traditions maintaining one without the other) which is why they're considered both religious&magical traditions.

That's interesting. I know very little about ceremonial magic(k), though I probably should know more. I've been hearing a lot about Thelema lately, which is something else I don't know much about, but I was intrigued by what I heard about Nuit dividing herself in the beginning for the sake of love. It reminded me of the concept of creation in the Feri tradition in which the Star Goddess brings forth her dual consort from herself, setting creation in motion. Traditions of Witchcraft almost certainly borrowed a lot from earlier magical traditions, so I guess it isn't surprising that there's a lot of overlap.

Micheál
February 13th, 2011, 06:16 AM
That's interesting. I know very little about ceremonial magic(k), though I probably should know more. I've been hearing a lot about Thelema lately, which is something else I don't know much about, but I was intrigued by what I heard about Nuit dividing herself in the beginning for the sake of love. It reminded me of the concept of creation in the Feri tradition in which the Star Goddess brings forth her dual consort from herself, setting creation in motion. Traditions of Witchcraft almost certainly borrowed a lot from earlier magical traditions, so I guess it isn't surprising that there's a lot of overlap.
Just a small example not focusing solely on the western esoteric ceremonial path, but how pagan witchcraft in general in the sense of how humans negotiate with different entities. Honouring pagan deities, and yet calling elemental spirits into a circle for one example, expressing how an initiate functions as a "priest", and "witch/magus," a factor also that certainly isn't utilised by every tradition of course.

To get into ceremonial magic(k), though, yes, that's an interesting observance of Thelema's Nuit, that narrates the 1st chapter of The Book of the Law. Thelemites are always having heated discussions as to whether Thelema is a religion or not. For some it is, with Nuit being a principle deity, and others it's an occult philosophy with the deities being metaphors for certain periods of time. Regardless, I can see how The Star Goddess be very inspirational, after all, Gardner was heavily influenced by Thelema(about to be the O.T.O's European representative at one stage),&other aspects of ceremonial magic. One only has to look at the beautiful passages he included in some of Wicca's rituals. A little off subject, but while on topic :hahugh:....here's the 61st passage inspired by Nuit in the 1st chapter of The Book of the Law...

"61.
But to love me is better than all things: if under the night-stars in the desert thou presently burnest mine incense before me, invoking me with a pure heart, and the Serpent flame therein, thou shalt come a little to lie in my bosom. For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour. Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy. I charge you earnestly to come before me in a single robe, and covered with a rich headdress. I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!"


Now here's the earlier 1949 version of Gardner's The Charge, "Lift Up the Veil"...



"Magus: "Hear ye the words of the Star Goddess."
High Priestess: "I love you: I yearn for you: pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous. I who am all pleasure, and purple and drunkenness of the innermost senses, desire you. Put on the wings, arouse the coiled splendor within you. Come unto me, for I am the flame that burns in the heart of every man, and the core of every Star. Let it be your inmost divine self who art lost in the constant rapture of infinite joy. Let the rituals be rightly performed with joy and beauty. Remember that all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals. So let there be beauty and strength, leaping laughter, force and fire by within you. And if thou sayest, 'I have journeyed unto thee, and it availed me not,' rather shalt thou say, 'I called upon thee, and I waited patiently, and Lo, thou wast with me from the beginning,' for they that ever desired me shall ever attain me, even to the end of all desire."


It that same passage, a line reads, "Say, 'Let ecstasy be mine, and joy on earth even to me, To Me,' For I am a gracious Goddess. I give unimaginable joys on earth, certainty, not faith, while in life! And upon death, peace unutterable, rest, and ecstasy, nor do I demand aught in sacrifice." Now here's line 58 of The Book of The Law.

"58.
I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice."


This reoccurs in other areas. When Doreen Valiente re-wrote a lot of Wicca's rituals, she wanted to take out as much Crowley material as she could, as it was hard enough influencing the public's opinion of witchcraft in a positive light without the association with Crowley's bad reputation, but even she couldn't omit such beautiful passages from Crowley that could be influential in many areas. I think we're all familiar with Valinete's recension, "I am the Gracious Goddess, who gives the gift of joy unto the heart of man. Upon earth, I give the knowledge of the spirit eternal; and beyond death, I give peace and freedom and reunion with those who have gone before. Nor do I rdemand aught in sacrifice; for behold, I am the Mother of all living, and my love is poured out upon the earth."


I can see how such a beautiful Goddess can touch so many traditions.

Erebos
February 13th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Wow, thanks for sharing! I wasn't familiar with Crowley's material or Gardner's early Charge before now. I wonder if Victor Anderson (founder of Feri tradition) was familiar with Thelema, and if it influenced his concept of the Star Goddess. Doreen Valiente's version of the Charge of the Goddess is used in Feri as well as Wicca, so maybe it originated with that.

I guess many magical traditions have the concept of immanent deity, not just traditions of Witchcraft ;)

Micheál
February 14th, 2011, 01:53 AM
No problem! :) I don't know much about the Feri Tradition, but it appears to be another mystery tradition that Anderson was teaching an early form of as early as the 40's? He could have known about Thelema, or even the lines used in the Gnostic Mass that were influential to The Charge&The Great Rite, especially if Valiente's material is utilised, so it could be possible. Gardner at least kept no secret about Thelema's influence on him, which he included in his autobiography, and published High Magic's Aid under his O.T.O name(misspelled in publishing), that he wore on a ring throughout his life.