Dealing with an Incubus...

[The Oaken Warrior]

Since my girlfriend was a young girl she has been dealing with an unwanted entity touching her, plaguing her dreams, draining her of energy, and leaving scratches and bruises all over her body. It usually comes when she is on the brink of falling asleep and she awakens always between 2:30-3:00 am. At times other than the touching on her legs, thighs and neck, this entity has also temporarily paralyzed her and has also suffocated her for seconds into a minute. She was single for quite sometime before she met me, but her and I quickly became as one and fast in love. Since then this entity's attacks have gotten worse and worse...

One of the first times I stayed with her at her house, and were being intimate in bed (I being a sensitive and medium of sorts) a feeling of unrest and powerful unwelcoming overwhelmed me! She briefly told me before this that a spirit bothers her from time to time, but at that point did not get into details, but I knew at that point whatever was plaguing her did not want me with her! Another occasion when in the beginnings of our relationship she stayed at my house, which I lived at my grandparents place, (which the spirit of my grandfather still inhabits) and upon falling asleep I was awakened by a bang in the room, and as I opened my eyes, A shadow figure was at the end of the bed, which briefly frightened me!
After this though it did not enter my house and she was safe there without attack due to my grandfather being a very protective spirit.. BUT she began to have dreams of a man with a shadow face staring into the window watching us every time she stayed with me! She told me the attacks were happening at her house more often than usual at that time and told me what this thing has done in detail... While she was with me one night I decided to confront the entity to see who it is and what it wants (not knowing exactly what we were dealing with at the time) using a spirit radar (detector) and a digital voice recorder, which the radar detected the entity with a strong red signal, no evp was captured. After this it began to plague my dreams, playing on my fears, and sexual emotions.. In a dream it manifested itself as the most undesirable woman I know in life, and pinned me down and started touching, kissing me etc.. and I was paralyzed in my bed I could not fight, move or scream, eventually I broke free and awoke. When I did I knew this was going to be a long drawn out battle! I then gave her a protection candle and a charm to read every night for her protection, and sage to burn in her bedroom.. She tried this, but it only angered the entity, and that night she felt more than one pair of hands on her, but multiple. The sage also made her allergies extremely inflamed.

We eventually moved in together, and in our relationship things could not be better.. I was working third shift though at the time and was not able to sleep with her on most nights, and the attacks began to happen every night, and became worse, every morning she would wake up drained as if she had not gotten an inkling of rest, and with scratches and bruises...
I Then blessed the house, smudged, and warded off unwanted spirits, and left the door open for the good wights.. This definitely helped with the severity of the attacks, but it did not stop them. I then performed a protection spell for her, and called upon the protective spirits of my grandfathers. Again helped with the severity, but eventually it was back again! Upon investigating deeply I figured out what this entity is and I Know it is an incubus of sorts, and definitely is a non human wight (spirit) for it follows her and is not confined to our home or place etc... which makes it very hard to banish! She also has been afraid to take a stand herself because she is afraid it will never go away and it is only going to make it angry...

I had gotten injured at work and have been out for many months, and as I was in bed, this entity also touched my legs, and I felt it come onto the bed on numerous occasions, WHILE FULLY CONSCIOUS! It has also grabbed my ass while I was in the kitchen preparing dinner for us. I thought it was my girlfriend, and I turned around to kiss her and she was at the table
reading... It has also entered my dreams multiple times again playing on my fears and sexual emotions, for this thing really has no gender, it only manipulates what we desire or attracted to. Every night though before we sleep I use my third eye and envision a protective field all around her and I chant a charm of protection, which at night has helped with the bedroom visits.

Although since then, I have seen her trance out totally unresponsive for a minute or so, I have witnessed her being choked and suffocated which I had to literally breathe into her mouth to end it, and recently an almost full on possession, were she was in a trance then it looked at me with the most hateful of eyes, and was hissing at me, I threatened it eye to eye forehead to forehead, and it snipped at my face, then she was out and unconscious... She awoke the next day with serious scratches and bruises on her neck back, and arms! Somehow I think our love and my field protection has been conquering the bedroom visits, but it is attacking her when she is upset or buzzed on alcohol and easily vulnerable, and it is violent!

It has been a few good days and nights now without attack, but I know it is only a matter of time again. ON A GOOD NOTE she is ready to take a stand against it, the last episode with it possessing was enough for her to draw the line. I have a banishing rite completely lined out for her with the help of my Kindred and I, and a protection talisman will be created for her to wear afterward. This may or may not work, but I feel it will be A MIGHTY BATTLE-AXE upon the spiritual umbilical chord this entity has attached to her!

THIS BY FAR IS THE MOST DIFFICULT SPIRIT I HAVE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH, and if anyone has any insight on how to rid us of it, it would be appreciated, only positive helping responses please!

P.S. this is not a case of:
1. Sleep Paralysis
2. Hallucinations
3. unconscious self mutilation
4. psychotic episodes
5. schizophrenia

so spare me from those theories, I already have been through a plethora of rational explanations and they all fall short!

By the might of Thunar and wisdom of Wotan, we eventually shall prevail!

[Eyeris]

Do you know of any local experts that can help? have you tried contacting any?

[Twinkle]

I realize that you are looking for supernatural explanations, here...but you cannot rule out the mundane unless she has had a full sleep study.

Has she had one done, and if so, were the results unremarkable?

[Chaos Hawk]

If the person is afraid then it will feed the problem. Also, have you tried using protective sigils? Either as jewelry or around the house as decoration? Also, I have read that painting all trim blue on the outside over doors and windows will keep out evil spirits. This (http://www.squidoo.com/haintblue) tells a little more about it.

[Twinkle]

Personally, I believe an incubus takes energy whether one is afraid or not. If the experience is pleasurable...they feed off that as well.

Not being afraid of it isn't going to stop it taking what it wants. If she is being attacked in her bed, I don't know how she *wouldn't* be afraid. The fear is actually a sign that she hasn't given in to it completely.

Iron is said to have a neutralizing effect. The iron nails over the bed is said to repel them.

[Chaos Hawk]

I think it depends on what one does with that fear.

Many times people don't stand up for themselves or make things worse because they are afraid. Afraid of failing, afraid of change, afraid of punishment. These fears and self doubts make dealing with any kind of malevolent entity worse. I find that it creates more openings.

Iron is a good point, I had forgotten about iron.

[Twinkle]

I see what you're saying.

My only point was that standing up for oneself and"asserting" one's power will not work with an incubus. They take what they want, and they have no problems inflicting great pain to get it.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Perhaps I have a different background here but an Incubus / Succubus does not inflict harm nor bodily injury. They take sexual energy for utilization. Though according to Christian notions they also take the physical material of the sex act and use it to inpregnate others.

Yet in all instances they are not typically a force that stays with a given individual, they are more chance exploiters.

Though I have to admit as I read this over I am reminded of the old horror movie THE ENTITY.

[Motheroak]

It dosn't seem like an incubus or succubus as MonSno_LeDra said they take sexual energy for utilization, what it reminds me off is a very cruel and evil spirit something typically found in a voodoo curse, if your girlfirend has any foolish enemies that could be the case but you write that it has happened since she was very young and some spirits are lured to certain people if it has taken hold on her a warding talisman is needed and warding stones too.

You could try calling upon a daemon not to be confused by a demon, a daemon is an entity of the darkness so to speak and they were often called upon by the ancient greeks for protection against spirits like you are dealing with. However calling upon a daemon is a much darker path to take, since they live within the darkest of night, and were often seen as beautiful men or women.

Boiling a raw chicken and then sprinkling it with red dust keeps evil spirits away for sometime.

sprinkling red dust under the bed, at each and every door frame and window, even keeping a little bag with red dust is said to ward of any malicious spirits.

[Twinkle]

Perhaps I have a different background here but an Incubus / Succubus does not inflict harm nor bodily injury. They take sexual energy for utilization. Though according to Christian notions they also take the physical material of the sex act and use it to inpregnate others.

Yet in all instances they are not typically a force that stays with a given individual, they are more chance exploiters.

Though I have to admit as I read this over I am reminded of the old horror movie THE ENTITY.

True enough - in most case scenarios the experience with an incubus/succubus is most pleasurable and not at all a violent experience. However; there are and have been cases of forcible rape, where great trauma and physical evidence has been left behind (scratches, tears on the surface of the skin, bite marks, etc).


The thing of it is, without a sleep study it's almost impossible to be able to discern if one is dealing with a sleep disorder...there are many that can render the same symptoms - even the more pleasurable experiences. Any physical harm could actually done by the sleeper, themselves.

And of course, the liability involved in having someone else in the room when an attack like that occurs....has almost no one willing to take that kind of risk to document it.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

.. However; there are and have been cases of forcible rape, where great trauma and physical evidence has been left behind (scratches, tears on the surface of the skin, bite marks, etc)..

Would you care to provide a reference? I've seen examples of "Ghost" rape that was more poltergeist in nature that is definatley not an inccubus / succubus. Seen examples of "Entity" rape that is attributed to creature's that derive strength from the "Fear" and "Emotional Distress" generated but again that is not an inccubus / succubus. Heck even rape scenario's hidden in "White Noise" that reveal a creature not dis-similiar to what is seen in the movie of that name.

But the critical facet with Inccubus / Succubus is the "Wet Dream" nature of receiving pleasure and energy from the one being pleasured.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

But you want to really have fun try to explain to me why it is that about every year maybe year and a half we get one of these type threads? One would think it there was these abusive creature's out there they would strike more than once a year. Well unless they are like Santa and only come out once a year.

[Twinkle]

The best reference I could give you would be John Zaffis. He is a paranormal investigator and author who is also the nephew of the deceased Ed Warren. He is held in high regard within his field.

He was violently attacked by a succubus, and has just come out in recounting what happened to him. He also has documented many cases of violent rape by these...things.

He can be reached at his website:

JohnZaffis.com

[MonSno_LeeDra]

The best reference I could give you would be John Zaffis. He is a paranormal investigator and author who is also the nephew of the deceased Ed Warren. He is held in high regard within his field.

He was violently attacked by a succubus, and has just come out in recounting what happened to him. He also has documented many cases of violent rape by these...things.

He can be reached at his website:

JohnZaffis.com

Sorry all I find on that site is calanders and items for sell. Though if he is highly praised he's one of the first to claim inccubus / succubus as encounters of paranormal investigators in my expereince.

[Twinkle]

He's a bit more than a paranormal investigator. He is also an assistant at numerous exorcisms, having worked with a number of different religious paths, including Shamans. He's written a book on the subject, and is surprisingly well educated on the different approaches used to banish these entities (for lack of a better word).

Let me see if I can find some other link for him.

http://www.paranormalhelp.com/john_zaffis

Here you go. :)

He is a great guy and very open and easy to talk with.

[Twinkle]

But you want to really have fun try to explain to me why it is that about every year maybe year and a half we get one of these type threads? One would think it there was these abusive creature's out there they would strike more than once a year. Well unless they are like Santa and only come out once a year.

I understand. I really do.

Typically I don't put much stock in these things - but I had am experience that I cannot explain - and as a result tend to take the incubus/succubus attack a little more seriously than most.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I understand. I really do.

Typically I don't put much stock in these things - but I had am experience that I cannot explain - and as a result tend to take the incubus/succubus attack a little more seriously than most.

Entity and poltergeist type attacks I take very serious. I say entity for those tend to be the type that strike, pinch, smack, etc but its never for sexual associations. In some areas they still call them Revenants, those hostile and disgruntled spirits that may or may not have been human at one time.

I've been fortunate in that I've never had the physical facet of things. The audible part yes, the visible part yes to that one to.

It's just to me when I hear of the physcial I tend to think of things like the Bell Cave Witch and is an entity. Inccubus and Succubus are something entirely different, almost passive aggresive in the way I see them work.

[Gladeflower]

scratches not from unconscious self mutilation. . .
Im no expert.
Capturing such phenomenas with a video camera above the bed would be something.
Other experts would have info to go on at least

[The Oaken Warrior]

I realize that you are looking for supernatural explanations, here...but you cannot rule out the mundane unless she has had a full sleep study.

Has she had one done, and if so, were the results unremarkable?


OK many doctors have been seen. Many tests have been performed since she was a teenager, it was all theories of what "may" be going on, she took the advice of every doctor, and it all fell short. I have approached this whole phenomena from the get-go with absolute rationality and scientific explanation before concluding to a supernatural or ethereal answer. I have been sensitive since my birth a Pagan for half of my life now. I have witnessed numerous spiritual encounters with both Human and nonhuman wights. Also as I have stated before that I have witnessed this entity personally in the brink of my slumber and while fully awake, as has she. So it is not a sleep disorder such as sleep paralysis or "old hag syndrome" as they call it... I have also been scratched by this entity. She also will "trance out" and be partially possessed out of the blue which I witnessed first hand, also paralyzed and suffocated while fully conscious. When I seen her trance out, and the possession, afterward she had no recollection of what just had happened... In the possession occurrence this thing could not talk, but it had control of her eyes mouth and head, then afterward she would go back to unconsciousness. I know her inside and out, and what I seen in her eyes and expression was not my girlfriend in that minute... Thank the gods that was the last of it for the time being, and I feel its last and brutal attacks were out of desperation in an attempt to destroy our relationship and love.. SO

By our will, love, charms, blessings, and the grace of the Gods, we have been without incident for almost a week now (knocks on wood) which I am very grateful of! A banishing rite, a cleansing, and a protective talisman are in the works, as I state it will be a mighty blow to the ethereal umbilical chord it has on her.

[The Oaken Warrior]

He's a bit more than a paranormal investigator. He is also an assistant at numerous exorcisms, having worked with a number of different religious paths, including Shamans. He's written a book on the subject, and is surprisingly well educated on the different approaches used to banish these entities (for lack of a better word).

Let me see if I can find some other link for him.

http://www.paranormalhelp.com/john_zaffis

Here you go. :)

He is a great guy and very open and easy to talk with.


Thank you very much, I will look into him certainly, though I have strong faith in my beliefs and magic, it is good to have many outlets to fall back on indeed!

[The Oaken Warrior]

But you want to really have fun try to explain to me why it is that about every year maybe year and a half we get one of these type threads? One would think it there was these abusive creature's out there they would strike more than once a year. Well unless they are like Santa and only come out once a year.


Hehe... well if you would ACTUALLY READ MY THREAD, you would see that this has happened to her ALL OF THE TIME FOR MANY YEARS I am reaching out and looking for possible alternatives to battle what we are dealing with... I am a well educated man, also an apprentice priest in my tribe,well versed in the Heathen way and Ethereal understanding. Not a teenage dabbler looking for some fun on a pagan forum. So please only positive responses, this is a serious issue at hand, thanks!

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Hehe... well if you would ACTUALLY READ MY THREAD, you would see that this has happened to her ALL OF THE TIME FOR MANY YEARS I am reaching out and looking for possible alternatives to battle what we are dealing with... I am a well educated man, also an apprentice priest in my tribe,well versed in the Heathen way and Ethereal understanding. Not a teenage dabbler looking for some fun on a pagan forum. So please only positive responses, this is a serious issue at hand, thanks!

Actually I did read your thread as well as your response before editing it.

You have not said anything that would indicate it is not a normal medical condition nor self induced. The fact you seem to have expereinced it is not ruled out by the very notion of mass hysteria syndrome. The fact she falls into a trance state is also a normal medical condition which results in the person simply falling into a catatonic state for certain periods of time and are unresponsive during those conditions. I seem to recall it is called narcolepsy Syndrome. A syndrome that addresses all you have stated.

If you research poltergeist manifestation all you have stated is common in that as well. Yet the critical facet is it is commonly believed that it is almost a telepathic / teleconnetic manifestation produced by the one expereincing it. A fact that it is also commonly found in females, especially younger pre-pubscent girls. Yet that is not competley true for it has been recorded many times in females into their 20's though seldom later.

Much of what you descibe is not a whole lot different than the condition known as Stigmata where bruises, cuts, and scratches appear upon the body though in a true stigmatta state they confirm to the wounds upon Christ's body. A state of mind that still has not been ruled out as being induced by the persons belief in said condition.

So sorry based upon what you have revealed here you have not proven your point that there is no normal medical condition at play. Nor have you disproven that it is not a psychosymatic state induced by the one expereincing it and witnessed or expereinced by those about her beneath the heading of mass hysteria type influence. A critical facet being the willingness and belief in its occurance to the point of witnessing or expereincing it oneself as an observor.

A base trait that a trained shamanic practioner would not fall into nor accept as a viable witness.

[The Oaken Warrior]

True enough - in most case scenarios the experience with an incubus/succubus is most pleasurable and not at all a violent experience. However; there are and have been cases of forcible rape, where great trauma and physical evidence has been left behind (scratches, tears on the surface of the skin, bite marks, etc).


The thing of it is, without a sleep study it's almost impossible to be able to discern if one is dealing with a sleep disorder...there are many that can render the same symptoms - even the more pleasurable experiences. Any physical harm could actually done by the sleeper, themselves.

And of course, the liability involved in having someone else in the room when an attack like that occurs....has almost no one willing to take that kind of risk to document it.

Yes I have done extensive research on an Incubus, and they do at times , leave bruises,scratches,and definitely drain their victims of vital energy. Some are more vicious than others. They can also be very jealous especially when their victim has been single and alone for a lengthy amount of time, which before she met me it was the case. I have stayed awake and watched her sleep on numerous occasions, bite marks, bruises and scratches still appear, on parts of her that are virtually impossible to do herself... This entity hates me especially, with a passion, because I am the love of her life and probably not leaving much sexual energy for it to feed off of. This entity also throughout the course of time has diminished her immune system, which has caused many of health issues. (Yes a doctor could try to rationalize this and yes in her case they have tried to, but their theories weren't solid, their advice did not work!)

[The Oaken Warrior]

Actually I did read your thread as well as your response before editing it.

You have not said anything that would indicate it is not a normal medical condition nor self induced. The fact you seem to have expereinced it is not ruled out by the very notion of mass hysteria syndrome. The fact she falls into a trance state is also a normal medical condition which results in the person simply falling into a catatonic state for certain periods of time and are unresponsive during those conditions. I seem to recall it is called narcolepsy Syndrome. A syndrome that addresses all you have stated.

If you research poltergeist manifestation all you have stated is common in that as well. Yet the critical facet is it is commonly believed that it is almost a telepathic / teleconnetic manifestation produced by the one expereincing it. A fact that it is also commonly found in females, especially younger pre-pubscent girls. Yet that is not competley true for it has been recorded many times in females into their 20's though seldom later.

Much of what you descibe is not a whole lot different than the condition known as Stigmata where bruises, cuts, and scratches appear upon the body though in a true stigmatta state they confirm to the wounds upon Christ's body. A state of mind that still has not been ruled out as being induced by the persons belief in said condition.

So sorry based upon what you have revealed here you have not proven your point that there is no normal medical condition at play. Nor have you disproven that it is not a psychosymatic state induced by the one expereincing it and witnessed or expereinced by those about her beneath the heading of mass hysteria type influence. A critical facet being the willingness and belief in its occurance to the point of witnessing or expereincing it oneself as an observor.

A base trait that a trained shamanic practioner would not fall into nor accept as a viable witness.


Yes science is great, and yes could have a plethora of different answers and explanations of the phenomena that is taking place... But as pagans, we must follow our feelings and intuitions after all logic and reasoning has fallen short. I am quite sensitive to spiritual energies, and YES I have checked my entire house for strong emf readings which has failed. I also have seen an apparition, I have also been touched, I have also in my past with two other people seen full bodied apparitions, which was truly not mass hysteria. I am an avid believer in scientific explanations most certainly before leaning toward spiritual explanations. BUT in my religion and beliefs, the spirit world is quite real, and these entities are quite real. they are known in the Germanic tongue as the Mara, or Mare, which the term NIGHTMARE derived from. I can talk her into being an ongoing lab rat for years on end, but I am not about to do that, for the fact that she has seen many, many doctors already, and their answers are not valid.. THEY ARE THEORIES and every scientific explanation you have thrown my way are theories, of what MAY be happening. I have been attacked in my dreams by this thing, and seduced. I have been touched myself numerous times, and it is not her using unconscious telekinesis .. I myself have been plagued with sensitivity since I was a child and I as well attract spiritual energy, so from experience, I can somewhat relate to what she is dealing with... I know my girlfriend's aura and the energy she puts forth, when this thing comes, you can literally feel it, it's dark, it's very uncomfortable! I have also witnessed this damned thing literally come onto our bed and felt a body push down upon the covers, she was asleep, and I was fully conscious.

[The Oaken Warrior]

I understand. I really do.

Typically I don't put much stock in these things - but I had am experience that I cannot explain - and as a result tend to take the incubus/succubus attack a little more seriously than most.

Thank you Twinkle, as do I, this is definitely a serious matter at hand...
The fact too that my charms, blessings and spells are diminishing the severity of the nightly visits also shows that it most likely isn't just a syndrome of sorts. I have her full consent to do what it takes, but many things I have done she is not always conscious of, and they are working!

[The Oaken Warrior]

A base trait that a trained shamanic practioner would not fall into nor accept as a viable witness.[/quote]

Well in regards to the "mass hysteria factor" before she met me, she believed it was all just a rational phenomenon and put her faith into many different doctors which based their theories on sleep paralysis, metabolic syndrome, extreme sinus issues, sleep apnea, narcolepsy etc etc etc... None were fully validated, none of their medications or advice worked, she always had a feeling it was a spirit but her rational mind didn't want to diagnosis it as thus.. Of course I approached the situation with rationality myself, until I seen and witnessed first hand accounts WITHOUT the full belief it is something supernatural. Yep then in the beginning I seen a shadow figure at the end of our bed after I was awoken by a loud bang... at that point I woke her up, and I was fully conscious!

[Motheroak]

I would say fight fire with fire as stated before a daemon a guardian of the darkness would prove to be a valid ally against this incubus or what ever it is of malicious spirit.

it must be bound in her - no too her for one reason or the other, clearly science wont help us here and i think you need more power or to do your spells to keep it at bay so instead of being stubborn and say "tis not what you say it is" i'll send some protective energies your way for a start.

[Chaos Hawk]

Thank you Twinkle, as do I, this is definitely a serious matter at hand...
The fact too that my charms, blessings and spells are diminishing the severity of the nightly visits also shows that it most likely isn't just a syndrome of sorts. I have her full consent to do what it takes, but many things I have done she is not always conscious of, and they are working!

Is there anyway that you can video tape these occurrences? Even just with a web cam when she's sleeping?

I ask for two reasons.

1) Things may show up on the recording with audio or video that when you're caught in the moment, you don't notice which would give clues on what's going on and the best way to handle it.

2) If things stop cause a camera is running, then that is a really easy way to rid her of the problem.

[The Oaken Warrior]

I would say fight fire with fire as stated before a daemon a guardian of the darkness would prove to be a valid ally against this incubus or what ever it is of malicious spirit.

it must be bound in her - no too her for one reason or the other, clearly science wont help us here and i think you need more power or to do your spells to keep it at bay so instead of being stubborn and say "tis not what you say it is" i'll send some protective energies your way for a start.


Thank you for your kindness and advice Motheroak, I will definitely look into a daemon for help in this situation, and thank you for your helping energy!

[The Oaken Warrior]

Is there anyway that you can video tape these occurrences? Even just with a web cam when she's sleeping?

I ask for two reasons.

1) Things may show up on the recording with audio or video that when you're caught in the moment, you don't notice which would give clues on what's going on and the best way to handle it.

2) If things stop cause a camera is running, then that is a really easy way to rid her of the problem.


Yes my kinsmen also told me to look into documenting with a cam, I just have to get my hands on a videocam to do so, and our budget is very tight at the moment. Things are at bay for the moment, and our banishment ritual is going to be next week upon the new moon, so if things persist, we will brush our shoulders off and document evidence when it's possible to do so, thanks!

[Chaos Hawk]

Yes my kinsmen also told me to look into documenting with a cam, I just have to get my hands on a videocam to do so, and our budget is very tight at the moment. Things are at bay for the moment, and our banishment ritual is going to be next week upon the new moon, so if things persist, we will brush our shoulders off and document evidence when it's possible to do so, thanks!

Yeah, money always sucks. An inexpensive way to do it would be to just get one of those cheap digital cameras. They are like $10. Most of them come with a usb cable and will also function as a webcam. There wouldn't be any audio, but you could review the video footage and get a broader view of what is going on in the whole room.

Good luck with your banishment ritual. Sending you strength and peace.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

The Oaken Warrior wrote: .. But as pagans, we must follow our feelings and intuitions after all logic and reasoning has fallen short.

Yes we do have to follow them. But we also have to be aware of all factors and not make assumptions because we do not like the results arrived at through other means.


I am quite sensitive to spiritual energies, and YES I have checked my entire house for strong emf readings which has failed.

A lot of us are quite sensitive to energies. Yet many of us also realize that many appear to be similiar to one another and easily mistaken or assumed to be something its not.


I also have seen an apparition, I have also been touched, I have also in my past with two other people seen full bodied apparitions, which was truly not mass hysteria. I am an avid believer in scientific explanations most certainly before leaning toward spiritual explanations.

That really doesn't prove anything. I've seen things to but it doesn't make it absolute. Yet I also have experimented with mass hysteria and have seen and made groups witness things that were not there and expereince symptoms that didn't exist except in their heads.


BUT in my religion and beliefs, the spirit world is quite real, and these entities are quite real.

I can relate and uderstand that. As a shamanic type practioner many worlds and entites are quite real to me. Or like Shakespehare says: "There are more things under heaven and earth Horatio than are drempt of by your philophisies"


they are known in the Germanic tongue as the Mara, or Mare, which the term NIGHTMARE derived from. I can talk her into being an ongoing lab rat for years on end, but I am not about to do that, for the fact that she has seen many, many doctors already, and their answers are not valid..

Truthfully you can not prove whether they are valid or not. All you can do is assume based upon your position and expectation of the results.

Nor can you prove that what she reveals to the doctors is the truth, particial truth or fabriciation of her persception of truth.


THEY ARE THEORIES and every scientific explanation you have thrown my way are theories, of what MAY be happening.

Yes there theories. That's one of the first things a person learns when dealing with most things, there are no absolutes nor global situations where all things are equal, especially when dealing with occult issues.


I have been attacked in my dreams by this thing, and seduced. I have been touched myself numerous times, and it is not her using unconscious telekinesis

Your closeness also makes you susceptable to manifesting those things through your own beliefs. It also ties your energy vibration to that of hers which makes you susceptable to her own creations. The longer your together the greater the potential of you experiencing them.

Inversely the greater you ability to positively influence the situation if you are capable of causing suggestion to take root in her psychic makeup. If it is a manifestation of her own mind you influence can cause the manifestation to appear to fall away. The danger there though is it also has the potential to be catastrophic to her if that influence is lost or placed into a suspect nature.


.. I myself have been plagued with sensitivity since I was a child and I as well attract spiritual energy, so from experience, I can somewhat relate to what she is dealing with...

But by this statement your trying to justify and relate. Your doing the I can do it to so by deduction you must also think or relate to what you preceive is happeing. It's sort of like saying I have been beaten so you project your assumptions of what is occuring based upon your position as you relate to it.

That is a trait I have to be on constant guard against. I must never assume that because I experience things that I will do so in the same manner as the one I am working with. Pretty soon you find to many similarities that are not really there but are found none the less as you try to place yourself in that position.


I know my girlfriend's aura and the energy she puts forth, when this thing comes, you can literally feel it, it's dark, it's very uncomfortable! I have also witnessed this damned thing literally come onto our bed and felt a body push down upon the covers, she was asleep, and I was fully conscious.


I once saw a persons personal created egogret (sp). It was the shadow side of the person and contained all that the person was not in the physical. It had weight, mass and presence and was a constant feed from their subliminal state of mind. They were kind, the creation was hurtful and gained pleasure from the inflicing of pain upon itself.

Yet nothing that was done diminished it through medical means. It was only through the facing of their shadow that the egogret was finally destroyed.

The pisser if you will is that once you took away the persception of things and tasted the energy signature you realized they were one in the same. Like one of the old card tricks where you spin the card and one side all light and sunshine the other all dark and stormy. Yet both were from the same card yet you had to look beyound the assumed visible and look to the greater whole.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Is there anyway that you can video tape these occurrences? Even just with a web cam when she's sleeping?

I ask for two reasons.

1) Things may show up on the recording with audio or video that when you're caught in the moment, you don't notice which would give clues on what's going on and the best way to handle it.

2) If things stop cause a camera is running, then that is a really easy way to rid her of the problem.

I would agree. I would perhaps disagree though in that I would make two recordings if possible. One with audio and one without. Then watch the one without first for many times the very presence of audio causes us to make assumptions of what is going on and causes us to miss what is revealed before our eyes. The audioless one makes us look to see what is actually there and pay full attention as we can not hear it and fill in the blanks.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Yes my kinsmen also told me to look into documenting with a cam, I just have to get my hands on a videocam to do so, and our budget is very tight at the moment. Things are at bay for the moment, and our banishment ritual is going to be next week upon the new moon, so if things persist, we will brush our shoulders off and document evidence when it's possible to do so, thanks!

If at all possible I would video document prior to the ritual. Without the before and after you only have your memory to relie upon in what you witnessed and though.

You also do not have the preinfluence facet of things. If it is a self creation (egogret) (just an aside but I always tend to misspell that word) then the visible indicators would be diminishing if the person begins to disbelieve or has reason to beleive that things are getting better. Yet the clues to its presence would be found in the video.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I would say fight fire with fire as stated before a daemon a guardian of the darkness would prove to be a valid ally against this incubus or what ever it is of malicious spirit.

The only problem in that is unless it is a daemon that you have worked with before you really do not know if it is not a prankster that is called forth or the entity itself, if there is such an entity involved.

it must be bound in her - no too her for one reason or the other, clearly science wont help us here and i think you need more power or to do your spells to keep it at bay so instead of being stubborn and say "tis not what you say it is" i'll send some protective energies your way for a start.

Lets assume there is an entity and think about this.

If it is a soul fragment then it is attached to her internally though manifested externally. Such an entity would attack based upon the manner of its creation. One created from abuse would respond with abuse, one created from sexual abuse woudl be sexual in nature in its attacks. Any combination of possibilites present depending upon the manner of creation.

The really dangerious facet of these is that they are also part of the host so they have influence upon the body. ie they inflict damage upon themselves and it shows upon the body of the host or parent.

That is one variety of internal connection. Another is the ancestor connection. These are not fun to deal with for they lay even deeper in the subconscious.

For instance I worked with a lady that was molested by her grandfather. So it created a very dark placement for his persona projection. Couple that to the fact none of her family believed her and the pain and hurt goes even deeper. The memories of what was attempted always unsettled in her memory and manifest in the actions she witnesses in others.

When you listened to her speak of him you could feel the very air and presence about her change. Like the proverbial "Wet" cloth was dropped over her and encased her while she recalled it all.

Then you have spirit twins. I've never dealt with one but have been told of the twin who died in the womb or was consumed by the other. The twin grows and is attached to the living host but may manifest as the darker or evil componet. The few thigns I have heard is they are horrible to deal with for they must be slain and destroyed but parts of the host will be lost to for the spirit twin is part of them.

That doesn't even touch upon those external connections, the so called silver threads that bind and connect. It doesn't touch upon those things that attach themselves to us becasue of our mental state, psychic state or dormant state.

No I won't send energies to help the situation. In my experience some of the worst diasters I ever walked into were caused by people praying for them or sending energy unfocused and undirected. Especially in regards to the fact they didn't know what was going on but assumed.

You might relate it to a fireman trapped upon a ledge on a buring building. The other firemen see them and know they are in danger from the flames so douse them with water. They just didn't realize they actually killed them because of the cold coupled to the dousing water. They assumed what was going on but didn't know the truth of it.

[The Oaken Warrior]

Yes we do have to follow them. But we also have to be aware of all factors and not make assumptions because we do not like the results arrived at through other means.



A lot of us are quite sensitive to energies. Yet many of us also realize that many appear to be similiar to one another and easily mistaken or assumed to be something its not.



That really doesn't prove anything. I've seen things to but it doesn't make it absolute. Yet I also have experimented with mass hysteria and have seen and made groups witness things that were not there and expereince symptoms that didn't exist except in their heads.



I can relate and uderstand that. As a shamanic type practioner many worlds and entites are quite real to me. Or like Shakespehare says: "There are more things under heaven and earth Horatio than are drempt of by your philophisies"



Truthfully you can not prove whether they are valid or not. All you can do is assume based upon your position and expectation of the results.

Nor can you prove that what she reveals to the doctors is the truth, particial truth or fabriciation of her persception of truth.



Yes there theories. That's one of the first things a person learns when dealing with most things, there are no absolutes nor global situations where all things are equal, especially when dealing with occult issues.



Your closeness also makes you susceptable to manifesting those things through your own beliefs. It also ties your energy vibration to that of hers which makes you susceptable to her own creations. The longer your together the greater the potential of you experiencing them.

Inversely the greater you ability to positively influence the situation if you are capable of causing suggestion to take root in her psychic makeup. If it is a manifestation of her own mind you influence can cause the manifestation to appear to fall away. The danger there though is it also has the potential to be catastrophic to her if that influence is lost or placed into a suspect nature.



But by this statement your trying to justify and relate. Your doing the I can do it to so by deduction you must also think or relate to what you preceive is happeing. It's sort of like saying I have been beaten so you project your assumptions of what is occuring based upon your position as you relate to it.

That is a trait I have to be on constant guard against. I must never assume that because I experience things that I will do so in the same manner as the one I am working with. Pretty soon you find to many similarities that are not really there but are found none the less as you try to place yourself in that position.



I once saw a persons personal created egogret (sp). It was the shadow side of the person and contained all that the person was not in the physical. It had weight, mass and presence and was a constant feed from their subliminal state of mind. They were kind, the creation was hurtful and gained pleasure from the inflicing of pain upon itself.

Yet nothing that was done diminished it through medical means. It was only through the facing of their shadow that the egogret was finally destroyed.

The pisser if you will is that once you took away the persception of things and tasted the energy signature you realized they were one in the same. Like one of the old card tricks where you spin the card and one side all light and sunshine the other all dark and stormy. Yet both were from the same card yet you had to look beyound the assumed visible and look to the greater whole.


I appreciate your opinions and playing the "devil's advocate" with me and pushing forth the ideology that everything that I have learned, thought, felt and embraced as my belief system is potentially not real, and all a mass hallucination of sorts conjured up by my/ our own psyche... Yes indeed the mind is very powerful and indeed can make some pretty amazing stuff happen... But as an avid Heathen, and a highly spiritual person, I am going to follow my intuition on this one, rather than the scientific approach, my intuition hasn't let me down yet... As I have stated many times over she's been there, we feel better going this route, if it works it works, if not we will battle on through other means then..

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I appreciate your opinions and playing the "devil's advocate" with me and pushing forth the ideology that everything that I have learned, thought, felt and embraced as my belief system is potentially not real, and all a mass hallucination of sorts conjured up by my/ our own psyche... Yes indeed the mind is very powerful and indeed can make some pretty amazing stuff happen... But as an avid Heathen, and a highly spiritual person, I am going to follow my intuition on this one, rather than the scientific approach, my intuition hasn't let me down yet... As I have stated many times over she's been there, we feel better going this route, if it works it works, if not we will battle on through other means then..

All I can say is wow. I though the discussion was about the possible venues of a supposed manifestation and the truth or untruth of it. To look at the what, why and how's of it. I didn't realize the thing was about someones belief or spirituality system and the legitimacy of that belief system.

I'll bow out of this now for it seem's from this your whole position is now about your faith and position not what is supposedly inflicting her.

[The Oaken Warrior]

All I can say is wow. I though the discussion was about the possible venues of a supposed manifestation and the truth or untruth of it. To look at the what, why and how's of it. I didn't realize the thing was about someones belief or spirituality system and the legitimacy of that belief system.

I'll bow out of this now for it seem's from this your whole position is now about your faith and position not what is supposedly inflicting her.

On the contrary no offenses have been taken towards you on my part, I simply disagree, we all have our theories and approaches to situations such as these... If a spiritual approach fails through trial and error, surely I will take other means into consideration. I just simply take a different approach on spiritual matters than you, where as you have a very strong and die hard scientific approach on things.. Of course the well being of my woman whom is the love of my life is top priority and we will do what it takes to end this phenomenon! and I do respect your input and theories on the matter, and I have not overlooked them...:thumbsup:

[The Oaken Warrior]

I think it depends on what one does with that fear.

Many times people don't stand up for themselves or make things worse because they are afraid. Afraid of failing, afraid of change, afraid of punishment. These fears and self doubts make dealing with any kind of malevolent entity worse. I find that it creates more openings.

Iron is a good point, I had forgotten about iron.

You are absolutely right on this point, fear has empowered this entity, and it also has been most aggressive when she is sad or crying, or angry etc.. emotions totally empower it. Lately our defense is to not give it any kind of attention or severe emotion. The moment she finally came to the conclusion that this thing is not unstoppable,has also helped matters greatly... It is almost like a scenario of an abusive lover, or a schoolyard bully, if you do not stand up to them, they will constantly take advantage of you, but when you pull your inner strength out and stand up for yourself, yes they may try again but in time it becomes more and more difficult and the person is no longer just an easy target.

[Adamantea]

Hmm, I read your post.

While I read lots of stories about entities and their sexual encounters. I want you to consider what you're dealing with is real.

I suggest (from my spirit guides and me) that you should contact your own spirit guides and hers, and instead of banishing and force the spirit out because that will create resistance...interrogate the spirit and it's intentions.

See, if you been putting it up for years, don't fight the spirit from your own fear (charms, protection, banishing), but with compassion and kindness. Try to figure what it wants.

Because my spirit guide wanted to say, "We feel this one has unfinished business with you by karma. Although your little "demon" is a fellow soulmate who is generally negative on your relationship, we feel you need to ascend out of jealousy, fear, and abuse where love and lust is concerned...."

But that's all we can offer. Advice. We pick and choose our battles carefully, and we stay on neutrality.

[Motheroak]

Monsno_ledra - If you know what you are working with if you dare take a darker path of what is called the nocturnal craft, then you will know that this Daemon is no prankster,trickster or other being that might trick you. they have a certain feel to them - you know when you are in contact with a daemon and when your not. they are the Guardians of the dark friendly beings that exsist only to help and protect.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Monsno_ledra - If you know what you are working with if you dare take a darker path of what is called the nocturnal craft, then you will know that this Daemon is no prankster,trickster or other being that might trick you. they have a certain feel to them - you know when you are in contact with a daemon and when your not. they are the Guardians of the dark friendly beings that exsist only to help and protect.

Why does anyone assume that just because they claim a new age name of "Nocturnal Craft" that others do not know about the the darkness? I'm not Wiccan and I know there is light in darkness and darkness in light.

In Shamanic terms there is no nocturanl path, no light path or dark path there is only a path. All things are part and parcell of it. Those I follow are Hekate and Sekor and the nocturnal and death are their domain.

I also know one persons guardian is another's terror.

[The Oaken Warrior]

Hmm, I read your post.

While I read lots of stories about entities and their sexual encounters. I want you to consider what you're dealing with is real.

I suggest (from my spirit guides and me) that you should contact your own spirit guides and hers, and instead of banishing and force the spirit out because that will create resistance...interrogate the spirit and it's intentions.

See, if you been putting it up for years, don't fight the spirit from your own fear (charms, protection, banishing), but with compassion and kindness. Try to figure what it wants.

Because my spirit guide wanted to say, "We feel this one has unfinished business with you by karma. Although your little "demon" is a fellow soulmate who is generally negative on your relationship, we feel you need to ascend out of jealousy, fear, and abuse where love and lust is concerned...."

But that's all we can offer. Advice. We pick and choose our battles carefully, and we stay on neutrality.

I agree on confronting the entity, which we have tried to do a few times, the entity has not responded to any of our EVP attempts, BUT has shown up on my spirit energy radar detector numerous times, and upon trying to manifest it has drained batteries in our electronics etc.. Our cat always detects it, and every night for a long while between 2:30-3:00(until we had to barricade him out of our room, he would jump onto the night stand and try to wake my girlfriend with pawing and meowing...
We approach this situation without fear, only determination and positivity... When the fear-factor was abolished in her for the most, that alone dropped the intensity of the attacks greatly, but as many a time before he'll be back unless we eradicate him/it to the best of our ability... severing the ethereal chord it has attached to her is our utmost goal at this point, and for her a Runic talisman has been forged and charged for when she goes to sleep, and to keep on her possession throughout the day. I approach this ritual defense strategy 100% without a doubt in mind.

[The Oaken Warrior]

Why does anyone assume that just because they claim a new age name of "Nocturnal Craft" that others do not know about the the darkness? I'm not Wiccan and I know there is light in darkness and darkness in light.

In Shamanic terms there is no nocturanl path, no light path or dark path there is only a path. All things are part and parcell of it. Those I follow are Hekate and Sekor and the nocturnal and death are their domain.

I also know one persons guardian is another's terror.


I agree on this, it is all about perception, and the intent of the Shaman/Maje/Vitki. There isn't white/light, or black/dark magic, only the magical will, intent and outcome of what you wish to conjure, create or dispell. whether it be positive or negative. Yes another person's guardian can surely be another person's worse nightmare.. Like the old Hellraiser quote says: "An angel to some a demon to others..."

[Motheroak]

Why does anyone assume that just because they claim a new age name of "Nocturnal Craft" that others do not know about the the darkness? I'm not Wiccan and I know there is light in darkness and darkness in light.

In Shamanic terms there is no nocturanl path, no light path or dark path there is only a path. All things are part and parcell of it. Those I follow are Hekate and Sekor and the nocturnal and death are their domain.

I also know one persons guardian is another's terror.

First of there is no assumptions here, the Nocturnal craft, is after all nothing but a name for one thing that person knows it as, you might take a shamanistic path however others will see that as another thing under another name and then it all comes down to how your read it, without assuming anything.

Also there is no reason for the Oak warrior not to research the work with a Daemon, if it helps all the better.
They are friendly beings i'll stay by that they was seen as beautiful youths by the ancient greeks. and to them and others these days work somewhat like the Valkyrie.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

First of there is no assumptions here, the Nocturnal craft, is after all nothing but a name for one thing that person knows it as, you might take a shamanistic path however others will see that as another thing under another name and then it all comes down to how your read it, without assuming anything.

Also there is no reason for the Oak warrior not to research the work with a Daemon, if it helps all the better.
They are friendly beings i'll stay by that they was seen as beautiful youths by the ancient greeks. and to them and others these days work somewhat like the Valkyrie.

Oh I'm not saying he shouldn't work with them though truthfully I'd suggest he turn to the land wights , perhaps even the elves (not the dark ones though) as he follows a northern pathway. The daemon's of the Mediterrian region may be similiar to the northern land wights but they are not the same.

Though I would disagree that they were seen as beautiful youths by the Greeks or Romans. Those that fell beneath the land spirits perhaps as those were dyrads and such. But Imps also fall beneath the Daemon heading and they were far from beautiful youths. Nor did the daemons that originated in Anatolia and further west appear as beautiful youths.

[Adamantea]

I agree on confronting the entity, which we have tried to do a few times, the entity has not responded to any of our EVP attempts, BUT has shown up on my spirit energy radar detector numerous times, and upon trying to manifest it has drained batteries in our electronics etc.. Our cat always detects it, and every night for a long while between 2:30-3:00(until we had to barricade him out of our room, he would jump onto the night stand and try to wake my girlfriend with pawing and meowing...
We approach this situation without fear, only determination and positivity... When the fear-factor was abolished in her for the most, that alone dropped the intensity of the attacks greatly, but as many a time before he'll be back unless we eradicate him/it to the best of our ability... severing the ethereal chord it has attached to her is our utmost goal at this point, and for her a Runic talisman has been forged and charged for when she goes to sleep, and to keep on her possession throughout the day. I approach this ritual defense strategy 100% without a doubt in mind.


I see, I see...but my question is, have you ever talk and interview the entity? That is what I meant by interrogation. Because I believe what you're doing is good so far, but you're not seeing the big picture.

Whenever I'm under spirit/psychic attacks, I vocally talk to my spirit guides and have them by my side, and then I'll try to open up my third eye to talk to the entities involved who were very hateful to me. Sometimes, it would be a great struggle to get the answer from these hateful entities, but when I finally discover the truth to their intentions, their reasoning was really stupid. But what do I expect from entities are low in vibration and are completely undeserving to be incarnated as a human? Some of these entities can be jealous of humans, because as a soul housed in a human body, that soul deserved the body.

Anyways, I'll say again under the advice of my guides: It seems this entity is attacking you and your girlfriend because it doesn't know that you two are very loving souls who deserved of each other and you deserved the human bodies that is given to you by the Gods. It is your given right to live on Earth. That entity doesn't love itself and is very jealous of you two together and will do everything it can to hurt you and her, specifically. I think because of it's negative energy and emotions, it just revels in harassing and getting you riled up.

I suggest you keep fighting the good fight, but I want you to understand, that the reason you need to fight on is because this entity doesn't deserve to harass you and really has no business to fight you from the otherside and harass you both on the physical plane.

So raise your spiritual/energy vibration with love and compassion, and I believe you will win back your girlfriend and your health and sanity. You're not crazy or insane and neither is your beloved. This stuff is real, because I went through similar experiences.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Just a side note but I think far to many seem to think of things in human terms and perspective. In my experience unless it was a once human spirit the notion of love, or other similar concepts mean nothing to them. It's like a moth is attrackted to a light yet has no sense of love or attachement to it.

Usually it's the sense of energy and vibration that attract things from my experience. Especially if it is out of the norm for human ranges. Out of the norm falling into psychic fluctions, emotional turmoil, even deep anger and hate that causes the person's aura to pulsate like a strobe light.

Not entirley unsimiliar to the notion that as we open our persception and awarenss of "Occultish" things we tend to attrack those same things to us. We start to vibrate and echo those energy signatures through our moving closer to them through interest and research into them.

[Soul Scribe]

I think one thing that may have been missed here (Unless I'm the one that missed it, at which point I apologize) is that there may be something actually connecting this entity to her. That would make it very difficult to get rid of. Is there any emotional or sexual abuse in her past? If the being latched onto that it may take her dealing with the trauma to loosen its hold and finally be able to be banished. There's always another chance that it wants something and doesn't feel it's being listened to. This can anger non corporeal being very much. Have you tried actually speaking to it with a scrying stone? The information you get could be invaluable to why it's there or what its true motivations are. Remember, if this being was never human then it doesn't rationalize things the same way we do. I always try to use bindings or banishments as a last resort. I would also agree that darker entities are excellent at protecting from these types of things. I have twice as many dark guardians as I do light ones.

[The Oaken Warrior]

I think one thing that may have been missed here (Unless I'm the one that missed it, at which point I apologize) is that there may be something actually connecting this entity to her. That would make it very difficult to get rid of. Is there any emotional or sexual abuse in her past? If the being latched onto that it may take her dealing with the trauma to loosen its hold and finally be able to be banished. There's always another chance that it wants something and doesn't feel it's being listened to. This can anger non corporeal being very much. Have you tried actually speaking to it with a scrying stone? The information you get could be invaluable to why it's there or what its true motivations are. Remember, if this being was never human then it doesn't rationalize things the same way we do. I always try to use bindings or banishments as a last resort. I would also agree that darker entities are excellent at protecting from these types of things. I have twice as many dark guardians as I do light ones.

You're right, there is... I am not sure I really touched on this as much as I should have, but her great great grandmother was PA Dutch witch who was practicing and conjuring some pretty negative stuff most likely for self gain or selfish reasoning. She had a book of spells, incantations etc. that was definitely not on the positive side, and handed it down to my girlfriend's grandmother, afraid of what she had seen in the book she decided to burn it... Her grandmother and her mother have both dealt with whatever this thing is, but they both won't talk to her about it and brush it off like it's nothing when approached and quickly change the subject... A few people who are medium, or spiritually intuitive have said without really knowing the details of the story have both said, you are dealing with a curse.

[The Oaken Warrior]

I think one thing that may have been missed here (Unless I'm the one that missed it, at which point I apologize) is that there may be something actually connecting this entity to her. That would make it very difficult to get rid of. Is there any emotional or sexual abuse in her past? If the being latched onto that it may take her dealing with the trauma to loosen its hold and finally be able to be banished. There's always another chance that it wants something and doesn't feel it's being listened to. This can anger non corporeal being very much. Have you tried actually speaking to it with a scrying stone? The information you get could be invaluable to why it's there or what its true motivations are. Remember, if this being was never human then it doesn't rationalize things the same way we do. I always try to use bindings or banishments as a last resort. I would also agree that darker entities are excellent at protecting from these types of things. I have twice as many dark guardians as I do light ones.

You're right, there is... I am not sure I really touched on this as much as I should have, but her great great grandmother was PA Dutch witch who was practicing and conjuring some pretty negative stuff most likely for self gain or selfish reasoning. She had a book of spells, incantations etc. that was definitely not on the positive side, and handed it down to my girlfriend's grandmother, afraid of what she had seen in the book she decided to burn it... Her grandmother and her mother have both dealt with whatever this thing is, but they both won't talk to her about it and brush it off like it's nothing when approached and quickly change the subject... A few people who are medium, or spiritually intuitive have said without really knowing the details of the story have both said, you are dealing with a curse.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

You're right, there is... I am not sure I really touched on this as much as I should have, but her great great grandmother was PA Dutch witch who was practicing and conjuring some pretty negative stuff most likely for self gain or selfish reasoning. She had a book of spells, incantations etc. that was definitely not on the positive side, and handed it down to my girlfriend's grandmother, afraid of what she had seen in the book she decided to burn it... Her grandmother and her mother have both dealt with whatever this thing is, but they both won't talk to her about it and brush it off like it's nothing when approached and quickly change the subject... A few people who are medium, or spiritually intuitive have said without really knowing the details of the story have both said, you are dealing with a curse.

That sort of adds a whole new demenson to the issue. If it is bound to the blood line and is a blood curse you've got a bigger problem. Especially in the sense that it could be a blood oath passed to the descendents by the original practioner.

Try to block it and it becomes worse in the long run for it acts like a dam before the river. The pressure appears to be slaking off and things getting better but it all is simply building on the other side of the dam. The dam will burst there is no getting around it and it will drown and wash away everything that is in its path.

My line has a blood oath and it rears its head every generation. Those who embrace it and work with it usually do fairly well, those who don't usually get their arse handed to them in a painful manner.

I've only heard of one of my ancestor's that lifted it and they had to go to Scotland where the blood oath was born. Even then I am not sure it was lifted as much as allowed to jump over to another who accepted it. Yet what was done I am not aware of other than it had to be done on the original soil of birth.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Just an aside note here but if the originator was PA Dutch she was probally a practioner of Pow-Wow which goes into a whole different realm of how things worked and calls forth upon a whole lot of biblical energy and powers, both preceived as good and evil.

Almost in the same sense as sigils and words of power were used in the Jewish practices of Golem creation and such. What little I know of Pow Wow revealed it to be highly unresponsive to so called traditional witchcraft and folk magics.

You may want to look into some of the Pow Wow books that have come down through the ages. Especially in considering which passages and such were used and how in creating wards, protections and blood oaths.

[Soul Scribe]

Just an aside note here but if the originator was PA Dutch she was probally a practioner of Pow-Wow which goes into a whole different realm of how things worked and calls forth upon a whole lot of biblical energy and powers, both preceived as good and evil.

Almost in the same sense as sigils and words of power were used in the Jewish practices of Golem creation and such. What little I know of Pow Wow revealed it to be highly unresponsive to so called traditional witchcraft and folk magics.

You may want to look into some of the Pow Wow books that have come down through the ages. Especially in considering which passages and such were used and how in creating wards, protections and blood oaths.



That's probably sound advice now that we have a better idea of what is going on.

[The Oaken Warrior]

Just an aside note here but if the originator was PA Dutch she was probally a practioner of Pow-Wow which goes into a whole different realm of how things worked and calls forth upon a whole lot of biblical energy and powers, both preceived as good and evil.

Almost in the same sense as sigils and words of power were used in the Jewish practices of Golem creation and such. What little I know of Pow Wow revealed it to be highly unresponsive to so called traditional witchcraft and folk magics.

You may want to look into some of the Pow Wow books that have come down through the ages. Especially in considering which passages and such were used and how in creating wards, protections and blood oaths.


You're right, and one of my kins-women gave the same advice after she felt what was going on, I have ordered some books on the subject, and I am looking into finding a well seasoned Braucher/pow-wow practioner to possibly help us. I should be successful because we live in the heart of PA Deitsch Country. Her and my bloodline both stems from it as well, although our families have long since adapted to modern day society, and lost touch with most of the ways and customs. I have studied Hexerei, but I am Novice at best. In the meantime we are staying cool, calm and collective. All my advances thus far(as you've stated) only made things worse afterward, and the attacks more physical...