Love spells disscussion (poll)

[KaimelarFeylove]

i just got board and was reading something i found on a wbite i enjoy (www.ghostdragon.net) about teh ethics of love spells (if you's like here it is (http://www.ghostdragon.net/index.php?fn=misc/ethics) .. Personaly i don like them.. like it says in the passage, the rede says "and ya harm none, do what ye will" and though putting a love spell on someone may not "harm" them does it not put a limit in thier personal will? dont get me wrong, i've thought about doing a love spell before, for i have been very unlucky in love before. but now that i stayed away, i am very happy with what i got on my own..
And there is the wonderful connection of witches and love spells.. whats with that? why can you find very few good books ompared to the number of love spell books out today?
so i just wantsed to see what other peoples opinions are..

[LadyV]

Nope. I don't like them. It ismy personal opinion that it will indeed come back and bite ya in the - - - Not only as far as the "rede", but why would anyone what someone that you have to cast a spell at in order to be with you?

[Old Witch]

Never touch the things myself..for the same reason as above.....

[Azure]

I don't believe love spells work unless there's something there between the two people anyway - I just don't believe you can manipulate another person's free will that much, and the universe has its own failsafes.

So you can cast all the love spells you want, if the other person has no idea who you are or isn't interested on some level to begin with, it will fail.

And if you're all miserable because of that, then I guess that's the karmic effect.

That said, why waste energy on love spells when the best way to get someone is to actually get to know him/her and be a friend first? If you put the same energy you put into the spell into getting to know your crush, it will be far more successful.

I do believe spells can be used to deepen existing relationships in various ways - and best used when the couple is working together. Variations can also be used to open lines of communication, intensify sexuality, etc.

I also believe you can cast a general spell to bring the right conditions for meeting someone into your life - but even those tend to bring things when they are least expected.

At any rate, don't expect a love spell to bring you someone who isn't attracted to you, and don't expect to be able to manipulate another person. Be a grown up and find someone who likes you back.

[Mythrel]

I voted sure for the sake of arguement... I myself have never used one but that doesn't mean I never will...

since I am not Wiccan I do not follow the rede... therefore I have no reservations about using a spell for a designed purpose...

just throwing out there for arguement's sake

[WynterWynd]

I voted no. I am not Wiccan, and do not follow the Rede, but I still dont believe a specific persons will sould be bent just to make you happy. A spell to find true love, with no one person in mind, that would be a different story.

[wildwoodswoman]

Im not Wiccan. Don't know about the 'rede'. Don't do love spells.
Don't do love spells. Don't do love spells.

They virtually always work!! They virtually never work the way one plans. Invariably SOMEBODY comes to harm! Okay, Wiccan or not, you get to harm no one!!

Revere the Great Good Spirit. Love will take care of itself!

[Flaire-FireStar]

Nope. Same reasons as VB's.

Plus, I think that if you were truly meant to be with someone, you won't need magick to bring them to you.

[flar7]

wouldnt it depend on the type of love spell?:huh:
very specific with no exceptions, or more of a quest, or if it be
written let it be soon? many variations. ~Flar, the flakey non-witch

[shnen]

I said no... because I believe in fate, if you are meant to be with that person it will happen... not because you make it happen, but becasue they, in their pure un-put-a-spell-on-heart loves you and wants to be with you.

I do believe in putting love spells on yourself for yourself though, so you can learn to love yourself better :)

[Raevyn]

It doesn't matter what kind of love spell it is to me at all. Forcing things can make for disastrous results, especially in the realms of relationships and other people's lives.

I'm also not Wiccan and don't follow the rede - I tend to believe in the natural order of things, that in general "the right way" will work itself out, and that it often does so without our meddling. If I'm meant to be in love right now, I will be; if not, my time will come. Sometimes the divine have a plan we can't even imagine :)

[TornadoAli]

I would never do a love spell TO anyone, because how am I to know if they are the right person for me??

Spells to open myself up to universal love, or to make me more receptive to the love that already surrounds me are fine, though, imho...

[Lacykitten]

Look at The Craft. Sure it's not fully accurate of Wicca and Paganism but.. there's some good truths in that movie. Look at what happens when she puts the love spell on the guy. Love can eat you up inside and make you do strange and bad things if it's all you can think about.

Taking away someone's will IS harming them. A love spell put on someone is taking away their will in the matter, is forcing their heart into something it may not feel - or may not ALWAYS feel.

To me that IS harmful. One's will should never be forced.

Now, doing a love spell such as "lead me to my true love," or "open me to love," etc are perfectly acceptable, because it's opening you to finding love, but not forcing anyone into such strong feelings. Even "open him/her to love," is acceptable if the person agrees with it - but a love spell ON someone is never acceptable, in my opinion, regardless of whether you do it with their permission, or whether you're in love when you do it.

[Dextra]

I voted no way. I'm not Wiccan, I don't follow the rede. However I think anyone's conscience would tell them that love spells just aren't a good idea. What I think is: put yourself in the other person's shoes. If you wouldn't like someone messing with your free will, don't mess with theirs.

And Lacykitten, just a word of advice: don't compare anything that has to do with Paganism to "The Craft". Most of us don't like it, and I personally have had to deal with people who took that movie way too seriously. Not slamming you, don't take me wrong, just trying to help. :)

[Lacykitten]

Funny, most of the Pagans I know IRL loved The Craft.. Besides, it's a valid comparison in the 'love spells gone wrong' category. *shrug* If I could think of another movie that was equal in that, I would have posted it. I compare to things that make sense to me, and that did - it's spawned many RL conversations about it, as well. If people don't like the comparison, that's fine and it's their perogative, but it is still valid. *shrug*

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

I voted no. Partly because of the reasons people have already said - fate, it being useless etc - but also, if it did work, it could be horrible for the other person. How would you like it if you were tied down and forced by powers you had no control over to fall in love with someone you absolutly detested?! Because bear in mind that, even if you're in love with someone, it means in no way you have to actually like them.

Love is an absoutely sacred thing, the basis of everything, good or evil - love for a person, a country, a faith, an object. No-one, not even the Lord and the Lady themselves, should tamper with it. It should be left to flow freely, it is the raw essence of the world. Should we, or anybody else for that matter, delve into it, we would be meddling with forces not even undestood by those most deeply in love.


Originally posted by VroomBroom
A spell to find true love, with no one person in mind, that would be a different story.

I agree with this though. :)

[Xander67]

I voted no also!

There are spells to attract love into a persons life, but I believe that in order to recive love you need to give love first..

and how can we expect anyone ot love us if we dont love ourselves...

[Dextra]

Originally posted by Lacykitten
Funny, most of the Pagans I know IRL loved The Craft.. Besides, it's a valid comparison in the 'love spells gone wrong' category. *shrug* If I could think of another movie that was equal in that, I would have posted it. I compare to things that make sense to me, and that did - it's spawned many RL conversations about it, as well. If people don't like the comparison, that's fine and it's their perogative, but it is still valid. *shrug*

Oh, I liked the movie, too, it's a cute movie. As long as people realize it's just fiction, that's cool. Unfortunately, I've had to deal with people (Wiccans and Pagans included) that sadly think the movie is based on reality. Y'know, "If they made a movie about it, it must be true." I have a copy on tape that my friends and I watch sometimes just to pick apart and laugh at some of the more ridiculous moments. :p

Sad thing is, my mother, who is normally an intelligent woman asked me if I ever got possessed by one of my gods! :eek: Can you believe it?

[IsisErin]

No! I agree with what people have been saying so far... but also, you want to know that (s)he loves you for yourself - your natural charms - and not because of magick you've worked.

[Morrighana]

I voted "sure". I don't feel the need to ever do one, but I don't think the sky would fall if I did. *shrugs*

On "The Craft"...personally I liked the movie. If you ignore the fluffy-bunnie-that-could-never-happen-don't-these-movie-people-know-ANYTHING?-(of-course-not) parts, Lacy has a point that it does depict (hollywood style, but what can ya do?) what can happen when spellcraft is taken lightly and/or practised with manipulative design.

[flar7]

"Practical Magic" has a much darker love spell, especially if you
read the book.

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

I liked Practical Magic...It had that one from ER on...:hearteyes

[WynterWynd]

:hearteyes yesssssss! :mmm:

[Azure]

Goran Visnic.

I liked the movie, but the love spell in the book, which they left out, was awful.

[WynterWynd]

Was it supposed to be in the begining when she pierces the dove? Or is it the love spell for Sally?

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

I didn't even know there was a book! Who's it by?

[WynterWynd]

Alice Hoffman

[Stacy]

NO NO NO!!!!

Wouldn't like for anyone to da THAT on me!!!!!

[Witchy Cowgirl]

OK, what about a passion spell?
She loves her husband and the husband loves her but there isn't any "loving" going on?
Would you do a spell to "fan the flames" so to speak?

[Stacy]

Originally posted by Witchy Cowgirl
She loves her husband and the husband loves her but there isn't any "loving" going on?

Ayyyy.. confusing thought!!!! But, I know what you mean.. That kind of spell with aproval of both (husband and wife) I wouldn't have anything against.. It's like aphrodisiac.. spanish fly.. viagra..

Ok, Stacy, do you (again????) wanna get a sign?

:T

[Ravens_Tears]

I think a spell like that, with the knowledge and consent of both parties is fine....

In regards to "love spells", in the sense that the layperson would understand.. I think they are a very bad idea. You want someone to love you for you, not because they are enchanted.