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Flar's Freyja
January 25th, 2003, 11:12 PM
Mareth posted this interesting article on our support group list and gave me permission to post it here:

Look Before You Cast: Research your spells first

"This article was originally printed in the Autumn '94 issue of Green
Egg. I'd been helped in my research by a former high-priest. Unfortunately, as later study proved, much of the information he gave me was inaccurate. Which wouldn't be as bad, if it weren't an article on doing your research. I've now revised the article to remove those inaccuracies, and to add new information from my studies of the past four years."

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Look Before You Cast

"Moss from a gravestone," I repeated. "It says if you carry it in your pocket, it'll attract luck -- financial luck, especially."

"Hey, I know where to get some!" said Alisande. We trotted off to an oldgraveyard. The omens felt auspicious. We left nine pennies in offering to Oya, Yoruba keeper of cemeteries.

Three days after distributing the moss to our coven, we went to visit a wise Elder, adept in both Wiccan and Orisha traditions.

"You did what?" The jovial expression seeped from his face. "Where didyou get that information?"

We named the book. He took it down from his shelf -- naturally he had it; his shelves are better stocked than the Library of Congress. He shook his head at the entry. "And where is the author now?" Our mouths gaped. We'd read the author's obituary the week before.

"The problem with taking the moss," our Elder explained, "is that
you're actually borrowing power from the graveyard spirits. Are you prepared to give them what they want in return?"

It took an entire Moon to retrieve the moss. Nearly everyone had
misplaced theirs. We finally located it all and returned it to the graveyard. Sprinkling cologne on the graves, we left more pennies. "Indulge us. Forgive us our foolishness. We meant no harm." Moral: Don't play with graveyard magic.

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You Would Call Up . . . Whom?

We had failed to consider the powers we were calling upon. We'd run out and gathered our moss without looking into possible consequences. With the proliferation of Pagan books now on the stands, any novice can invoke a few Gods and cast a spell. But in practice it's not that simple.

For instance, an up-and-coming Pagan author lists Lilith under
"fertility," "children," and "motherhood." So if you're trying to conceive a child, you might want to invoke Lilith, right? Wrong. Research shows that Lilith was fertile--in giving birth to 100 demons a day. Invoke Her and you might get triplets? sextuplets?) -- Or you might get Rosemary's baby. You might
also have a perfectly normal baby, but why take a chance? Invoke Demeter or Danu instead.

You may wish to call upon Ogun for protection. Reading Jambalaya, you know Luisa Teish's admonition: "...do not work charms for Him if you are menstruating. Do not touch Him if you have cut your finger. Ogun gets hungry when He smells blood."

Many deities, because they were not appropriate to human civilization after the time when they were actively worshipped, have gone to sleep. Sleeping, they have not accustomed themselves to the ways and mores of today's societies. Waking them could cause trouble. Let's say you awaken a deity
who, when last worshipped, expected human sacrifice. Perhaps you can urge this deity to accept food or money instead. Suppose you can't? Might this deity attempt to subvert your will? Maybe you can fight the murderous desires he sends your way, but why leave yourself open to such a battle? Many serial killers say they heard voices directing them to kill, and some have involved themselves in occult study. The once-borns might brush
off as a nut someone who hears voices, but can we? Who knows what entities they may have attracted?

It is important that when we call on a God/dess, we know what we're invoking. The above are frightening examples, yet magic is a tool--real, not a game. If we are intent on shaping our reality, we must consider what we are shaping it into.

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The Old Goat Trail

Another consideration here is what form of that deity we're invoking. Let's take a moment first, and step back, to see how archetypes operate.

Theologists debate whether Gods created humans or humans create the Gods. In my worldview, the Universe is a living, self-aware entity. We humans are to the Universe as the organs and cells in our bodies are to us. What we call "Gods" are forces working within the Universe which control certain functions. For instance, there is a force which controls the birth process,
and another which controls the process of hunter and hunted. These forces exist we are aware of them or not. To understand them and get them to work our will (or at least ask them to please go along with our desires) we create archetypes. These are thought forms which we use to access the energy. We do not create the Gods, we create how we understand and respond
to them. So now we have our archetypes. Perhaps we'll call them, Vivienne, the Lady of the Lake, who opens the door between this world and the next, and Herne the Hunter.

With but some of these spheres of influence change over time, and sometimes the stories get retold (often by the cults of rival Gods) and the stories get twisted. Lilith, is again a lovely example.

In Biblical lore, Lilith was created at the same time as Adam. However Adam thought that she should bend to his will. Lilith didn't agree, and when he asked her to do something she didn't want to, she flapped off on her owl wings, leaving Adam to his own devices. The original Lilith archetype then, is about freedom from subjugation. About having the courage to stand up
and say, "No, I won't take this." Even if it means you have to leave the Garden.

But later tellers of this tale didn't want liberal ideas like that
spread around. They wanted everyone following "God's will". (And generally their interpretation of that will.) So they made Lilith a demoness, a succubus come to sap men's strength and life force. The archetype of Lilith became linked up with those energies. The stories were re-told and grew more
horriffic with the retelling, and the earlier meanings nearly
forgotten.

Two thousand years or more later, the path to the archetype of Lilith the Demoness has become a huge, paved superhighway. Anyone who seeks out the older archetype must first dodge the cars speeding down that road and cross the highway to where they'll see a nearly invisible goat trail winding up
the hill and towards the wood . . .

Even if you know an archetype has been vilified, you must still deal with the energies that have been placed on their archetype, and make your peace with them before you can reach the older version.

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Deities 'R Us

Another idea I see in recent books is that you can pick the deities
(and animal totem spirits as well) that "appeal to you." Most of the traditions I've studied under teach that we are chosen by our deities and totems, not the other way around. The Gods are assumed to be wiser than we; they know what energies we should be working to prevent imbalance and further the
goals we set ourselves before returning from the Summerlands.

Perhaps you are a fiercely patriotic British male who sees in Arthur thespirit of the race, so you sit patiently hoping for him to
appear--armour and all!" writes Murry Hope in Practical Celtic Magic. "You may well find the Gods have decided that you are too 'macho' for your own good... so it could be the gentle Branwen who calls upon you during your meditations..."

Other traditions do approach deity choice differently, as in Greek
magic, where the student works with whatever God feels most comfortable. It's important to consider both your tradition and that of the invoked deity. Perhaps Nuada or Oshun don't want to work with you--for your own good.

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These Things Should Come with Warning Labels

Sadly, there are many books of spells, which contain information that is erroneous or has never been tested. My former teacher once asked an author where his spells originated and was told that the writer and his partner simply "made them up."

"You've tried them, though?"

"No, not really."

My teacher left in shock, concerned about the thousands who might read the book, utilize the spells and receive karmic backlash as a result. Karmic backlash isn't a joke. If we accept that our actions shape reality, we must also accept that we can mis-shape reality. Generally from the caster's view,
a failed spell just doesn't work. But every action has a reaction.
Failed spells can have negative reactions: anything from causing a headache to misaligning the chakras; from starting an argument to losing a job through overconfidence in the spell. Even if the only effect is a waste of money on
spell components, that money could have been put to better use.

Unfortunately, not every author considers the karmic responsibility for the information they release to the world. If a spell harms someone, the one who gave out the spell must also deal with the results. Had the author of our moss information prefaced his book with a note that he was using
unsubstantiated folklore, he would have held less karmic
responsibility.

Another form of misinformation is missing information. One prominent author compiled a book of oils. Our Elder, who had been part of the author's coven, told me the author had gotten his recipes from an aged New Orleans root-man.
"In his days you couldn't just walk into a magic shop and buy your ingredients. If your recipe called for lilac oil, you had to wait for the lilac to bloom, supplicate the spirit of the bush, pick the flowers and press the oil yourself.

"Part of what made these potions work is that the root-man would get the aid of the spirits. The book doesn't tell you any of this, but without knowing the spirit, these recipes may not work for you."

(Four years later, reading these last two paragraphs, I might revise my own opinion about the "spirits" of the lilac bush. But even so, missing information occurs - more often than we'd like, whether through printer error or simply lack of knowledge on the writer's part, or the writer just not being clear.)

Even more devious is purposely wrong information. In the novel _The Heart of the Fire_ by Cerridwen Fallingstar, Fiona and Annie are cautioned on what to do should they be interrogated by a witchfinder. "If they ask about flying ointment, be sure to give a recipe strong enough to fell an ox. Curiosity kills priests and judges as easily as cats... Several priests in France have
met their demise by such means." Could that spell you're considering have been invented to fell inquisitors?

Aleister Crowley used to "trap" his books with wrong information so thatonly those who already had a strong basis in magick would be able to circumvent his traps. As I was copying from the Book of Shadows of my present teacher, he shook his head, pointed to a note on the page. "Ignore that, it's wrong. I wrote it when I was in my Crowley phase."

Then there's metaphor to contend with. Some older books will tell you to "wear white" when you do a spell. So you run around looking for a white robe, not realizing that it's a metaphor for "skyclad".

A friend of mine was reading some of the Irish myths and came to a part where there were people with "mouths in their chest". Great picture, huh? Let's think of it metaphorically, now. Could the storyteller be saying that the people spoke with courage and from the heart?

Should you throw out all your books and stick with only what you or your friends or ancestors have tried and proven? Not at all. Just consider the origins and implications of anything you do. And learn to read between the lines.

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The Dread "R" Word

How can you protect yourself from mistakes?

Research--the dreaded "R" word... study, study, STUDY! The process of understanding the magic is an integral function in making it work. Break down spells before trying them. Understand the energies you're working with.

Did the author say to use a yellow cloth in that job interview spell
because it's his favorite color---or because yellow will add its power of eloquence?

Apply the "Is it habit or does it actually make sense?" test to your
spells. This is the Pot Roast theory, which my present teacher uses to illustrate the Heirophant (tradition, ritual, set ways of action to achieve a goal) card in Tarot.

In breaking down a spell, figure out what parts of it might conflict
with your energies. I've found spells that utilizes passages from the Bible, but I don't bother with them, or I change it to a chant in my own words. With my ingrained discomfort with Christianity, I know the Bible verses would fail to work. Or, once we wanted to attract a partner for my former HP. For the
itual we had in mind (designed after one from _The Heart of the Fire_), the coven members placed flowers all over the seeker's body, invoking Blodeuwedd, a Celtic Goddess of beauty. At first it seemed like a great idea, but Alisande couldn't do it. "I'm just not a flower-woman," he said. "Besides, I'm gay. Will this spell work for a same-sex lover?"

Don't stop with one source. Alisande was given a candle supposed to invoke "male forces and the Sun." He read the ingredients. "Hey, wait a minute! Cedar isn't a solar herb!" He paged through _The Master Book of Herbalism_
by Paul Beryl. "And neither is juniper or benzoin." He picked up
another herbal--notably, the one we'd gotten the graveyard moss idea from. There the herbs were listed as solar. When in doubt, check a third source, and a fourth.

And again, remember to see how it fits with you. If when you think of Cedar trees, you think of the light streaming down through golden sap, then for you, Cedar is solar.

When doing spells alone, feel free to do what works for you. But if you're working with a coven or another group, its best to work with correspondences that everyone is comfortable with.

Consider the type of book you're getting your information from. A book
on
occult symbology might not give you what you need about frogs. A book on totem animals might be better, and an article on "The Frog in Magic," better still. But a treatise on the life, mating habits, symbolism of and tasty ways to cook a frog may overload you.

Be wary of dictionary-format books which try to squeeze an enormous number of facts into a few hundred pages. These make good beginning points, but you usually need to study your subject in greater depth. For example, Aphrodite may be named as the Greek Goddess of love, particularly romantic
and sexual love. But what about Her 31 other
aspects? _The Witches' Goddess_ by Janet and Stewart Farrar might be a deeper reference, but the best reference would be meditation and study of the myths themselves.

Consult your oracles. Dowse the spell with your pendulum. Ask the runes if this spell is attuned with you. Read the Tarot to find out if there's a blockage. Don't rush. Unless there's a desperate need to cast that spell now, you're probably better off waiting and doing the research, perhaps choosing a date in a more favorable moon phase or sign. If there is a need
for immediate action, you may be safer with a spell of proven efficacy.

Find out about the authors of books you're using. Does the author skip from subject to subject, churning out books with amazing rapidity? He may be adept in all these subjects or be gathering information from others who are,
but this also might be a cue to you to be careful in researching the spell. If you have a concern, write the author and question him--enclose a SASE if you've requested a reply.

Network. Find other Pagans and ask what has worked for them; or write to the readers forum sections in magazines; visit a chat room; or go to your local crystal shop and strike up a conversation.

In the end, remember that you have access to all the information you truly need. We each contain the answers inside us. What are your feelings about the spell? Follow the promptings of your inner wisdom and you will rarely go wrong.

Now that you've done your homework, you've ensured that you'll bring "harm to none," and that the spell has a good chance of working properly, go ahead! Be sure to document your work and its results. If it works--great! If not, more research! Practice in researching others' spells will making conjuring your own easier and more reliable.

On the other hand, do not be a slave to research. Often a glance
through several books and a common sense look at your own thoughts will suffice to assure you. Witchcraft is the Craft of the Wise. Considering how a spell will affect you and others is a sensible and responsible precaution.

-- Lionrhod ©1998

Raevyn
January 26th, 2003, 03:19 AM
I haven't had a chance to read this right through, just zipped through it until I can print it, but wanted to mention what I have read is really great advice.

Everyone should read this article.

One other example, btw, is Edain McCoy's fairy book I'm told - I thoroughly love it for looking up fairies, but someone mentioned to me.. there's one fairy (can't remember which) that was associated with protecting outhouses, and that you can invite them into your own home for the same.

Yeah only problem is, if you do some research, the fairy was said to skin people alive! I guess that's it's way of protection against people who shouldn't be there. Little too drastic for me. The comment on Lilith as a Goddess for fertility seemed to be the same sort of thing.

(if anyone really wants more info on this I can go ask which fairy it was specifially or look it up, but you get the idea)

Witchy Cowgirl
January 26th, 2003, 07:51 AM
Wow! Freyja! Thanks for sharing that.;)

Ryhla
January 26th, 2003, 07:18 PM
Copy...paste...print.

Yup, I gotta read this one when it's quiet. That was quite a lot the first time around. Besides, I need an excuse to use my new 3 hole punch. ;)

st0rm
January 27th, 2003, 01:49 AM
Great article ;)

AnakeRose
January 27th, 2003, 03:56 AM
Yes for sure everyone should read these articles. I saved them so I can refer to them at a later date if I need to.

All I know is whenever I want to perform a spell I find out as much about every part of it as I can before I'll even consider trying it. Like which deities it needs, ingredients, what it is designed for. I don't want to envoke some nasty deity. I'll usually put a good 5-7 days research into a spell or ritual before I perform it.

Michelle

Flar's Freyja
January 27th, 2003, 11:08 AM
Thanks to Mareth for letting me post it here. She's busy running our Fibromyalgia list in my absence.......

I've added it to the stuck Magickal Basics thread :)

Sequoia
January 28th, 2003, 07:53 PM
I think that the underlying point of the article was really awesome. More people should read it. But I also thought that some parts were a bit too serious, taking it a little too far. For example:


Many deities, because they were not appropriate to human civilization after the time when they were actively worshipped, have gone to sleep. Sleeping, they have not accustomed themselves to the ways and mores of today's societies. Waking them could cause trouble. Let's say you awaken a deity
who, when last worshipped, expected human sacrifice. Perhaps you can urge this deity to accept food or money instead. Suppose you can't? Might this deity attempt to subvert your will? Maybe you can fight the murderous desires he sends your way, but why leave yourself open to such a battle? Many serial killers say they heard voices directing them to kill, and some have involved themselves in occult study. The once-borns might brush
off as a nut someone who hears voices, but can we? Who knows what entities they may have attracted?

While it's possible, I think that it's very unlikely. I also disagree with the idea that the gods go to 'sleep', and that they would suddenly and so completely influence a person, as to cause them to go around murdering folks. I mean, again, I suppose it's possible. But I think it highly unlikely.

With those really "hard-core" newbies, though, it's probably a good article to read. I think it was a bit extreme, but had some good points.

Morrighana
January 28th, 2003, 08:34 PM
While I do agree with Puma Hime about the drastic tone of several paragraphs, I really like this article. I've sent it to my Coven for them to read too. :)

Flar's Freyja
January 29th, 2003, 12:33 PM
:D Puma, your post reminds me of something I read that said that the gods wouldn't come to visit me if my house was dirty.......

I felt better when a friend said that this wasn't true but they might be a little p'o'd ;)

Flar's Freyja
March 24th, 2003, 12:30 PM
bump

Flar's Freyja
August 11th, 2003, 01:07 PM
:bumpsmili:

minx
August 11th, 2003, 05:41 PM
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing :)

cydira
August 19th, 2003, 08:48 PM
Excellent article. Thank you for posting it!

I'd also have to say that it is important to note that stuff that happens on the astral level does impact you on the physical level. But nothing half as dramatic as they like to portray in hollywood. It's usually subtle.

When it isn't, it's usually a sign of something having gone *very* wrong and you've probably had a whole host of other problems before hand.

Also, it's a good idea to advise people to be responcible with what the cast. You can research everything and plan things out for your ritual in an absolutely wonderful fashion, but are you ready for the consequences of your ritual/magical working? The consequences are *always* more then just what you cast for.

I've found that most love focused magic that's being worked upon another individual is usually of a very unpredictable nature. It also has a rather nasty tendancy to backfire in most unplesant ways, unless you are very precice in what you're doing and *very* careful in your planning. Including the possible ramifications on the larger scale in your planning for your magical work.

MoonWeed
October 28th, 2003, 08:38 AM
Thankyou that was very enilghtening..
Blessed Be,
Flicker

Findarto
October 28th, 2003, 12:44 PM
Nice article, somethings in it I think are a little "drastic" if you will.
But, otherwise it's noteworthy.

zakzekezedd
October 28th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Interesting article, thanks for posting it. I always say it's better to err on the side of caution..and to be very careful what you ask for since you just might get it in spades!

BellaWild
October 29th, 2003, 11:31 PM
Good stuff, good stuff...

FaerieLuma
November 6th, 2003, 12:21 AM
Exellent information. Thanks!!

Lil Miss Witchy
February 12th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I just want to pop in and thank you for this article! It definatly proves that you can never research enough!!! If only some people who "dabble" would read this first!!

Jenne
February 12th, 2004, 12:34 PM
I dunno. The spirit of it is greatly appreciated. But truly, I'm still of the opinion that you get out of magicks what you put into it. Intent, to me, is the greater part of it.

Course, I do always put the caveat in my rits and spells "an' it harm none," just because that DID backfire on me in a big way once. But I can see how I somehow subconsciously left that out, too.

Anyway, it's not like I think anyone just do anything willy-nilly, but I also think that the power within is stronger than the power without. Does that make any sense? LOL

Vuthiel
February 12th, 2004, 02:02 PM
It's because of instances like the examples given in the article that I prefer to keep the practice of magic(k) and the persuit of spirituality separate in my life. It makes things that much less complicated, at least for me.

DebLipp
February 12th, 2004, 02:06 PM
Excellent article. There is a glaring error -- there's no such thing as lilac oil. Lilac is one of a handful of flowers that has never been successfully captured in a natural perfume; none of the distillation methods work. If you find something called "lilac oil" it is artificial.

Also, I don't try every spell I write (I am currently writing a spellbook). For example, I already have a lover and won't be trying the spell I offer for finding one. However, I have used the underlying principal and structure of every spell I write, and have run them through for blocking and practicality. If you know magic well, that really will suffice. There aren't hidden time bombs in ordinary actions performed judiciously.

AmbivalentMirage
February 12th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Wonderful articles, Freyja! Thanks for sharing them. :)

...I've certainly learned this lesson recently. :lol:

mothwench
February 12th, 2004, 03:28 PM
:D Puma, your post reminds me of something I read that said that the gods wouldn't come to visit me if my house was dirty.......

I felt better when a friend said that this wasn't true but they might be a little p'o'd ;)
:foh: oh, dear... they better never come round my place then! :lol:

MoonDust
February 12th, 2004, 03:50 PM
thank you Frey!

charmedkisses1
May 2nd, 2004, 03:42 AM
Great advice! Though I disagree with the author on some points, actually I'm confused... about the following paragraphs...

In Biblical lore, Lilith was created at the same time as Adam. However Adam thought that she should bend to his will. Lilith didn't agree, and when he asked her to do something she didn't want to, she flapped off on her owl wings, leaving Adam to his own devices. The original Lilith archetype then, is about freedom from subjugation. About having the courage to stand up
and say, "No, I won't take this." Even if it means you have to leave the Garden.
But later tellers of this tale didn't want liberal ideas like that
spread around. They wanted everyone following "God's will". (And generally their interpretation of that will.) So they made Lilith a demoness, a succubus come to sap men's strength and life force. The archetype of Lilith became linked up with those energies. The stories were re-told and grew more
horriffic with the retelling, and the earlier meanings nearly
forgotten.
Two thousand years or more later, the path to the archetype of Lilith the Demoness has become a huge, paved superhighway. Anyone who seeks out the older archetype must first dodge the cars speeding down that road and cross the highway to where they'll see a nearly invisible goat trail winding up
the hill and towards the wood . . .

Lilith isn't in any Bible lore. And also the author mentioned Lilith "giving birth to 100 demons a day"... doesn't that make her bad? I am new, so I don't know, no offense to Lilith at all.
Overall GREAT POST!!!

Isil Darkmoon
May 2nd, 2004, 03:54 AM
Ooh, good article!

mydemand
May 2nd, 2004, 04:41 AM
Great advice! Though I disagree with the author on some points, actually I'm confused... about the following paragraphs...

In Biblical lore, Lilith was created at the same time as Adam. However Adam thought that she should bend to his will. Lilith didn't agree, and when he asked her to do something she didn't want to, she flapped off on her owl wings, leaving Adam to his own devices. The original Lilith archetype then, is about freedom from subjugation. About having the courage to stand up
and say, "No, I won't take this." Even if it means you have to leave the Garden.
But later tellers of this tale didn't want liberal ideas like that
spread around. They wanted everyone following "God's will". (And generally their interpretation of that will.) So they made Lilith a demoness, a succubus come to sap men's strength and life force. The archetype of Lilith became linked up with those energies. The stories were re-told and grew more
horriffic with the retelling, and the earlier meanings nearly
forgotten.
Two thousand years or more later, the path to the archetype of Lilith the Demoness has become a huge, paved superhighway. Anyone who seeks out the older archetype must first dodge the cars speeding down that road and cross the highway to where they'll see a nearly invisible goat trail winding up
the hill and towards the wood . . .

Lilith isn't in any Bible lore. And also the author mentioned Lilith "giving birth to 100 demons a day"... doesn't that make her bad? I am new, so I don't know, no offense to Lilith at all.
Overall GREAT POST!!!

Well it's not really Christian Bible lore, but it is part of Jewish lore. The main story was that Lilith was created at the same time with Adam, but refused to lay under him (she considered them equals, so why not lay that way) and ran off.

Then the ret of it gets fuzzy...either she's cursed to give birth to 100 demons a day, or she purposely sets out to do that, or she's cursed with seeing her babies die, or something. There is lore that she has control over newborn babies and that she could take their lives unless the mothers recite a chant or place a necklace on the baby.

Though my info on that is fuzzy as well! Look Lilith up online, or talk to Isildae about it, she works with Lilith :)

B*B, Tiara

Isil Darkmoon
May 2nd, 2004, 04:47 AM
There's a pretty informative thread on Lillith here :

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=48482

DebLipp
May 2nd, 2004, 02:16 PM
Great advice! Though I disagree with the author on some points, actually I'm confused... about the following paragraphs...

In Biblical lore, Lilith was created at the same time as Adam. However Adam thought that she should bend to his will. Lilith didn't agree, and when he asked her to do something she didn't want to, she flapped off on her owl wings, leaving Adam to his own devices. The original Lilith archetype then, is about freedom from subjugation. About having the courage to stand up
and say, "No, I won't take this." Even if it means you have to leave the Garden.
But later tellers of this tale didn't want liberal ideas like that
spread around. They wanted everyone following "God's will". (And generally their interpretation of that will.) So they made Lilith a demoness, a succubus come to sap men's strength and life force. The archetype of Lilith became linked up with those energies. The stories were re-told and grew more
horriffic with the retelling, and the earlier meanings nearly
forgotten.
Two thousand years or more later, the path to the archetype of Lilith the Demoness has become a huge, paved superhighway. Anyone who seeks out the older archetype must first dodge the cars speeding down that road and cross the highway to where they'll see a nearly invisible goat trail winding up
the hill and towards the wood . . .

Lilith isn't in any Bible lore. And also the author mentioned Lilith "giving birth to 100 demons a day"... doesn't that make her bad? I am new, so I don't know, no offense to Lilith at all.
Overall GREAT POST!!!

The Biblical version of Lilith originates in Jewish folklore, and I believe she is mentioned as stated in the Talmud. She was certainly considered a demon. In fact, she was also considered a demon in pre-Biblical Sumer. She was a demonic being of threatening, frightening femal sexual potency and independence.

Tzaolunyin
May 2nd, 2004, 02:34 PM
I'm confused. Don't these two lines basically contradict each other?


My former teacher once asked an author where his spells originated and was told that the writer and his partner simply "made them up." ... My teacher left in shock, concerned about the thousands who might read the book...


In the end, remember that you have access to all the information you truly need. We each contain the answers inside us. What are your feelings about the spell? Follow the promptings of your inner wisdom and you will rarely go wrong.

If the author who made up his spells had the information inside him, and a good gut feeling about the spell, why is it a horrible thing to "make them up", wether you try them or not?

Isil Darkmoon
May 2nd, 2004, 03:11 PM
In my mind, writing your own spells is a GOOD thing. However, publishing a book of spells that you wrote, when you yourself have not used the vast majority of them, is questionable behavior. Yes, there are some cases--like the previously mentioned "writing a love spell, but already have a partner"--where it makes sense, but the greater part of them really should be tried, if not by the author, by people close to the author that has more need of them.

And I'd say the same thing about a mundane cookbook, just making up recipes with random measurements. If you don't have enough confidence in your cooking to test them before you publish, they shouldn't be published.

fay
August 5th, 2004, 08:16 PM
i think that the cookbook analogy is a good one. tzaolunyin, i think that the point freya was making was that her teacher was shocked that the spells had not been tested first. a spell may look fine in theory, but you may find that in practice it doesn't work, has a side effect or simply can be improved. writing your own spells can be a great idea, but expecting someone else to try it out when you haven't seems slightly off to me.
blessed be

Isa
August 5th, 2004, 10:13 PM
I'm confused. Don't these two lines basically contradict each other?

If the author who made up his spells had the information inside him, and a good gut feeling about the spell, why is it a horrible thing to "make them up", wether you try them or not?

I believe the point of the article is not that one should use the "correct" information, but that one shouldn't just do things without putting thought into them. If you use this herb because to you it feels like a protection herb that's one thing, but if you use it just because you read it in a book without really thinking about it that's another thing. Magic without some consideration of the powers you're dealing with is reckless. Research provides people with a clearer idea of the power they're using so that they can better judge what they want out of a spell :D

mothwench
August 6th, 2004, 04:39 AM
this just occured to me: could it be that some people don't do research because they are afraid that along the way they'll find out that the spell would never work? i'm not talking about denial, more about the fact that belief in magic is one of its greatest forces... that is to say, that spells will work if you believe in them.
not my take on things, but i know alot of people think this way.

Mason Rayne
December 12th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Great article. Indeed, the Gods give to us and we all give to them, even enemies of the Gods. That's why Lilith has a dark cloud around her. You just have to work through that negative cloud to get to the true Deity.

~Elise~
December 14th, 2004, 10:34 AM
Great article -- think I'll use it in the beginning of my Witchcraft 201 class...just to scare 'em a bit.

Elise

Aurin
December 14th, 2004, 03:25 PM
What an interesting tidbit - thanks for sharing =)

piratess
April 22nd, 2006, 05:49 PM
I am super glad that this is in the forums someplace. I have been very skeptical of commercialized "spellbooks". For me, personally, I prefer to come up with my own spells... usually whatever I am focusing energy on/into is very personal and it only makes sense to use very specific symbolism. I know this may not be true for everyone. I have in the past used spells from books as guidelines to spells I could do myself.

This all makes me wonder... what are the accurate spellbooks for sale in a commercial arena?

omar
April 26th, 2006, 06:52 AM
Great,thrice over.

Vuthiel
April 28th, 2006, 05:00 AM
I'm a dumbass, I started stealing money from one of my ex-husbands accounts and I didn't think he'd realize it, now I am being investigated by the FBI. Just FYI

The High Queen of Faerie
August 31st, 2006, 05:47 PM
Very interesting article, certainly worth a read... however I dislike how the author speaks of "once-borns" and find it incredibly disrespectful.

uzul
October 9th, 2009, 05:30 AM
Thanks OP.
A few very interesting points in there, which I already encountered only a few days after reading. At least one of them may have saved me a big heap of trouble. =)

Sollie
October 12th, 2009, 08:05 PM
A must read, thank you for that article! Must print it out when I get a chance.