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[Twig]

Dear friends.

Something has come to my attention and I want you all to be informed, for I care about you all.

There is going to be a celestial event this summer that scares the hell out of me. And from what I just learned (thanks again Danus) I'm not the only one. I'm not a psychic or a prophet but when something only happens once every 73000 years I take note and I think you may want to also.

rather than bias you I'll just say read this and be sure to follow the links Danus provided.

Please click here. (http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=419563#post419563)

Thanks for your time.

Twig

[Ahautenites]

**rueful smile** I read the link before you posted here, Twig. We al have every right to be scared witless from what that astrological portent signifies. (Especially in light of current daily news.)

Pity there isn't much we can do about it, except maybe just to keep our heads down as we forge bravely on. :(

[mol]

I cant believe everyone is so 'woeful' of such a wonderful and rare event. *shakes head*

[MammaStar]

I read both articles from the links provided. I think it can go either way....maybe for some it'll be a terrible time....then again...could be the greatest time of their lives.

I guess we won't know tillAugust...but I think it's a good thing to have a "heads up". :)

[Ahautenites]

Me, woeful? Typo-ridden, yes. Woeful, nah. **Grins**

Today actually seems like a fairly nice day. It's Wednesday, I have off in 2.5 hours, and I'm actually in a good mood (for once). I just figure that there's nothing we can do to change what's going to happen, so why bother to worry. I'll just keep plugging along until I'm done.

[Radocs]

Sounds like something I don't wanna miss. Gonna get my binoculars out that night. ;)

[WandererInGray]

Originally posted by mol

I cant believe everyone is so 'woeful' of such a wonderful and rare event. *shakes head*

My thoughts exactly, Mol.

Understand I'm not dogging on anyone here, but it's sad that we consider ourselves so much more enlightened and "civilized" and "intelligent" than those who came before us. Yet at the first sign of some kind of celestial event, we react with the same superstitious panic as opposed to wonder at the amazing occasion. :rolleyes:

Again, just my opinion. I'm with Radocs, I'll be getting out the telescope and see if I can get some pictures of Mars. :D

[WitchJezebel]

I'm with Mol and Wanderer:

I hadn't heard about this event until recently and a friend told me over drinks and he got all worked up into a froth over it - I think he's terrified. I went online to do a little research and I thought it was pretty amazing. Sure, there's concern that 'bad' things may happen, but to have something like that happen now in our lifetimes makes it all the more exciting. Besides, we have no control over this event - I can't expend the energy being too afraid to enjoy it.

[Danustouch]

Well..of course this will be something amazing to view. But..I also have to wonder about the astrological significance. Not just the astronomical ones ;) Superstitious?? Well.. I guess this gets into the debate on whether or not Astrology is a valid divinatory tool. I don't think it any more superstitious than Scientists mapping out possible hurricane systems in advance. Or, people reading the Tarot Cards.

We're a superstitious lot, in general...this human race. Perhaps it has to do with our impatience, in general. Wanting to always feel one step ahead of the rest of the world. Wanting to know what is going to happen BEFORE it happens.

[WandererInGray]

Just to illustrate my feelings on using the movements of the planets as an excuse I'll relay a conversation between a friend of mine and another person.

They were having an arguement and the one person said "well it must be because of Mercury Retrograde that you're not agreeing with me."
My friend replied "So if I say you're a stupid git, don't get mad, you're just misunderstanding me because of MR."

:)

To paraphrase Freud....sometimes a conjunction is just a conjunction.

Wars are caused by people and reasons, the towers were felled by men in planes, our economy is struggling because of *real* events....not because of plantary allignment.

*shrugs* I gave up on trying to figure out what was going to happen before it did. When I was right it took all the fun out of it....and when I was wrong I was just disappointed.

Personal opinion of course, by sometimes I think that Pagans trying to pretend the stars can tell us all, is just as bad as Christians pretending that God made something happen.

[Raevyn]

Do I think astrology is valid and interesting? Oh hell yeah. Do I think it's cool to look at possible future overtones, concerns, and undertones? Yep. Do I believe people too often use it as an excuse? Oh yeah.

"Oh I screwed up, sorry, __ is in __ so it's not my fault."

"I can't do anything about this because __ is in __."

And the one we all recognize "oh everything's screwed up because mercury is retrograde". Oy I hate that one. The alignment of stars echoes in energies that are present I think, such as possible communication issues - but we still are responsible for what we do and say - we can't write everything off as the fault of the alignment of the universe. It's not that I think mercury retro doesn't cause complications, but it is that I think people are too willing to buy into botched communications and by believing in it create it themselves - much like when you believe you've been cursed and end up cursing yourself. I think it has a effect on energies, but I do see too many people writing their rights and responsibilities away on planets and stars.

[mol]

w00t Raevyn.

"Blame my country, blame the stars, blame my friends, blame that company, blame that manager, blame everyone else! Just dont blame me, its not my fault!"

[Phoenix Blue]

Raevyn, Wanderer, Mol, et al., I agree with you lot.

I'm not worried about the Mars conjunction from an astronomical standpoint, because I know that Mars' gravitational effect on Earth will be immeasurably small. It'd take some algebra, which I don't feel like doing at the moment--but the difference between this close approach and all the other conjunctions Mars and Earth goes through wouldn't even be enough to affect the tides. In fact, no Mars conjunction affects the tides--at least, again, not to a significant level.

As far as the astrological effects may be concerned: "Mars is here, which means this," is inaccurate IMO. Astrology is an art (again IMO), not a science. It should be practiced as an art: with liberal doses of intuition; rather than in some formulaic manner that restricts one's intuition. Astrology's greatest accuracy is with natal charts; and its worst accuracy is with any such forecasting as this.

I would be frightened if Mars left its orbit and headed for a collision course with Earth; but nothing else about the Red Planet frightens me. But then, I was born with Mars in Scorpio, so maybe I just don't scare easy. ;)

[Semele]

Originally posted by mol



"Blame my country, blame the stars, blame my friends, blame that company, blame that manager, blame everyone else! Just dont blame me, its not my fault!"

But its always your fault...all of it, everything that ever happens to anyone ....YOU did it sucker!

For what its worth I agree there isn't much point in worrying or expecting the worse when it could be great. Also if you could figue out our telescope before then we could check it out!:cool:

[Dellit Tandannon]

sick! :D i can't wait to see it so close!

[Raevyn]

Here's an idea, if the world ends, what will you regret? what will you be proud of? What would you do differently if you saw it coming? (http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24662)

[Raevyn]

Originally posted by Semele
YOU did it sucker!

:D

[Ravens_Tears]

** chuckles **:D

[Danustouch]

Alot of times, during a Mercury Retrograde, things will be going totally haywire, and I wont' find out until AFTER things start to clear...that..."Hey..it was a Mercury Retrograde". Of course, you have to take responsibility for your own role in disagreements, or communication problems. However, When in the same week, your computer crashes through no specific fault of your own that you can find, when your phone line starts to go completely buggy for now specific reason you can find, and everything out of your mouth seems to be interpreted in a foreign language, it's kind of difficult NOT to see "Syncronicity", and a bit of a "Strange Coincidence" to the Mercury retrograde ;) Yes...Fear of Astrological Signs can be taken to extremes. However, they can also be seen as merely "little road signs" along the way. Thats how I choose to see them.

When I know it's a mercury retrograde, it might make me just more careful about the things that I say..take my time thinking things through before they are said..to make sure the wording is concise.

When I know that Mars is going to be closer to Earth than it's been in 73, 000 years, I might just say..."Uh oh...Tempers may be running high around then. I think I'll just try and be more patient, or swallow my initial response, because I know that things might get out of hand more easily".

Or ..I might say.."Considering everything that has happened in the world in the past year, this Mars being close to Earth thing, gives me reason to think that I should try to put forth more positive energy in my every day interactions, because it sure seems like there might be an abundance of negative energy already going around, perhaps added to by the Martian Energy. So..I'm going to strive to be a little more positive, to counterbalance a little of the negativity" .....and....just in case, stock up on necessities. Why? Well..yeah..you should be doing that anyway..just as a matter of common sense. Always have necessities on hand. Stowe them away. However, sometimes, we get so busy, or we tend to procrastinate and think there will always be tomorrow to do it. Things like this...serve as kind of a "reminder". "Oh yeah..you know...I don't think I have any extra flashlights, or water in my basement anymore. Maybe I should check on that, and restock".

It's not likely to make me go running around like Chicken Little "The sky is falling, the sky is falling, it's the end of the world, the sky is falling". What it is more likely to do , is "remind" me, that I should always be prepared for anything :)

Hope that makes sense.

I personally, think the alighnment is both wondrous, and scary. Because I'm a person who has never been really comfortable with change. But I don't think it's the end of the world. Let's just put it this way...I really wouldn't be surprised to see alot of strange and scary stuff going on in the world around the time of this alighnment. The alighnment isn't CAUSING it. imo...as Raevyn said.it's merely ECHOING it. I have this theory of Macrocosm/Microcosm. Since Earth is PART of the greater Universe, in some way, the Universe is bound to "echo" some of what is happening on Earth. Or perhaps its' the other way around, Earth Echo's what is going on in the universe.

So in that way...Astrology seems to give us valid signs of what is to come. :)

[Blueowl]

Maybe all of us that are excited about the event could hook up...I have this wonderful huge telescope that is perfect to check it out with...I am excited...and i have a camera and tripod and a ton of film...I enjoyed the last grouping of our planets and look forward to the rest...even if we die becuase of it, I will still explore it all in the hereafter.....:D

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Danustouch:
However, sometimes, we get so busy, or we tend to procrastinate and think there will always be tomorrow to do it. Things like this...serve as kind of a "reminder". "Oh yeah..you know...I don't think I have any extra flashlights, or water in my basement anymore. Maybe I should check on that, and restock".
:) Down South, we have hurricane season to remind us of that.


I personally, think the alighnment is both wondrous, and scary. Because I'm a person who has never been really comfortable with change.
That's understandable; but I don't think the world is going to change because of Mars' alignment. I think the world is going to change, and Mars will align, and people will equate one with the other. This is a causal fallacy, at least on the face of things. From a skeptical point-of-view, there's no evidence that one has to do with the other.


I have this theory of Macrocosm/Microcosm. Since Earth is PART of the greater Universe, in some way, the Universe is bound to "echo" some of what is happening on Earth. Or perhaps its' the other way around, Earth Echo's what is going on in the universe.
Maybe so. :) But there's much more to the Universe than the solar system! Maybe astrologers should take their work to another level: analyzing the astrological effects of starquakes on pulsars, or of supernovae in nearby galaxies.


So in that way...Astrology seems to give us valid signs of what is to come. :)
I think it provides a tool for the intuition, much as Tarot does. In and of itself, it gives you nothing; but with intuitive interpretation, you can infer your own results from what it provides.

[SerenityMoon]

Am I the only one that's confused as heck about this? I guess I don't know much about astrology..I read the article, and still don't understand what the problem is.

[Psyche Ague]

*purrs* I can't wait to see it!!! :boing: Radocs, I'm coming over to your house if I'm not back in school and looking through your dad's telescope!

I can't say that I believe at ALL in astrology. I love the stars and I love the way you can "see" things in them, but all that "what's yer sign?" crap just doesn't do anything for me. It's too random, too easily brushed aside as "fate" if something turns out predicted wrong. Maybe I've been a student of psychology for too long and I've become jaded, but I think readings are just great examples of the Barnum effect. Forgive me if that was off topic. I was just explaining why I'm not concerned about the end of the world coinciding with a gorgeous, Natural event.

[SerenityMoon]

ok somebody just explained it to me.
pft. I'm not gonna worry about it. I can't do anything about a planet's movement, nor fate (which I don't believe in anyway), so why worry? I will live life day by day, thanks.

[Sequoia]

hmm. . . I'll keep my ears pricked. :)

[materra]

Hmm, you know what is running thru my mind?? Could this be the event that is the real dawning of Aquarius? I always thought that particular event would have a really beauty and amazing moment attached... like birth. From one moment to another a magnificant change. This has all the possiblities for excitement and magic afoot. I tend to be afraid of people and not celestial events....regardless it will be interesting no?

[Wyrdsister]

Originally posted by SerenityMoon
Am I the only one that's confused as heck about this? I guess I don't know much about astrology..I read the article, and still don't understand what the problem is.
I'm in your boat - I'm an astrology luddite so I have no idea what the problem is.

Personally, I think war is going to happen before August, IMHO. :) I hope to be attending various Pagan fesitivals around that time!

Wyrdsister

[Twig]

Perhaps some of you misconstrued the post so I'd like to throw out some things.

There has been an unprecedented amount of celestial events (at least in my 45 years) in the last ~20 years. I can't find an instance of any time in history where this many alignments, comets, and "unique" astronomical events have ever clustered together.

We are in a time of EXTREME flux. Not only on a worldwide, but from many others I've talked to, a personal level. In the global sense, a religious upheaval of sorts is taking place. More personally I hear talk of peoples magick being subdued or them feeling that their inner self is "waiting" for something.

I'm not saying this is doom and gloom. I just have a weird feeling about all this and my spirit guide keeps screaming I'm on the right track. I just want you all to keep a clear head just in case. ;)

Does anyone else feel this or is it ust my natural paranoia getting the best of me again? {and no cracks from the peanut gallery Mol! Hehehehe}

Peace,
Twig
:elf:

[Phoenix Blue]

Honestly? I think it's a bit overboard. I think we've paid more attention to "celestial events" the past 20 years, because prior to that such things as astrology took a back seat to more concrete problems, like Vietnam. And that still doesn't necessarily indicate a correlation between astronomical events and any worldly significance.

The wings of a butterfly have equal portent for our world as a conjunction with Mars or a comet impact on Jupiter, if not more of one. The world changes--that's what living things do. :) The majickal energy around us is always in flux--because again, that's just what it does. It hit a peak back around 1997 or so, and it's at a lower point now. **Shrugs** The sun has sunspot cycles that repeat every 22 years or so, but that doesn't mean the end of the world.

I'm not necessarily saying nothing's going to happen. But if something is going to happen, you really can't do much about it anyway (edit: at least, not until after it happens). Live your life in hope, rather than fear.

[Storm]

Well I don't have any spirit guides that have made me aware of themselves so on that I do not know. I do not know anything of astrology..as of yet. That is on my list for this years studies. However. I am a little psychic and I have a strong sense of forboding. It is no wonder with the state of the union and the world at the moment. I just have this feeling that something bad is coming and our lives, as Americans anyways, will never be the same. That our comfortable sense of safety and security are about to be shattered. I have been feeling this for a few months and was not too surprised when my mother announced she too felt that sense of foreboding. I am not necessarily frightened but wary. It is wise, considering what may come, to be prepared. Perhaps it is no coincidence that things are coming to a boiling point in the affairs of the world.

[Raevyn]

Thanks for clarifying Twig. As always I respect your opinion and posts.

One thing I wanted to comment on was this;


Originally posted by Twig
More personally I hear talk of peoples magick being subdued or them feeling that their inner self is "waiting" for something.

Really? In my experiences all I've been hearing is the *opposite* - that a lot of people find themselves suddenly going through major spiritual changes, and that magic is becoming stronger and more noticeable.

For me, there have been lots of times within the past few days when I've felt such huge surges of energy I've scrambled for something to do spiritually or magically to grow and evolve.

[Sequoia]

Actually, frighteningly enough I can kind of back Twig up on this one :D

It's a pattern I've been noticing- a lot of people who didnt' consider themselves to be terribly powerful before, or just "average", have been having experiences and such where they feel they are doubling or more their abilities and energies.

A lot of other folks, who were considered "average" or thought themselves more powerful than average, have been noticing a severe limiting or lull in their abilities, as though they were holding their breath, unable to access it, gathering it for something even moreso shortly. Not that I have any idea what that could be. :)

Maybe this would also be hard to back up with "facts", considering energy workings, etc were really taboo before, but my observations are that there have been a lot more "new" people, working with "spells" or "magick" or "workings" or whatever you want to call it, manipulating energy and such. And while many of them are going "by the book", reading, etc- a disproportionate amount are the instinctive ones, who also surprise an 'elder' or two with what they do "naturally", just as they would walk or breathe. It's startling to me.

[Phoenix Blue]

I'm too out-of-practice to know exactly where I stand. :p

[Raevyn]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
A lot of other folks, who were considered "average" or thought themselves more powerful than average, have been noticing a severe limiting or lull in their abilities, as though they were holding their breath, unable to access it, gathering it for something even moreso shortly.

Hm, I see. *thinks about people who have told her recently they're growing* One I always considered pretty "powerful", another I don't think is exceptionally concerned with power but I always think of her as someone who is extremely intelligent and motivated and now it's like she's getting a "growth spurt". For me, I just considered the changes to be a natural jolt from being so spiritually stagnant the past 8 months.

It's clear that a lot of people feel something is different, but not clear what that is. At one time I would've been scared by change too but by now it's just like flying -scary but wonderful and freeing.

*shrugs* I dunno lol :D

[Blueowl]

As an Aquarian...I am curious...could someone explain to me "th eAGe of Aquarain" and what all tis signifies in AStrology?

[Xander67]

well, the love we all have for each other here, as a family, pulled us through 2 eclipses and a mercury RX.. last summer, and with pluto in transit right now, im sure Im not the only one whos whole life has been disrupted...

we will make it !! as a family, we shall face this together! :)

[WitchJezebel]

Originally posted by Xander67


we will make it !! as a family, we shall face this together! :)


*sniff* I'm part of a family!!! :boing:

[Raevyn]

:rolleyes:

[Xander67]

just fine then Raevyn, no CAKE for you then :nyah:

[Ahautenites]

I have noticed that Divine ears have been hearing me a lot more frequently (and responding). I haven't noticed any decreases, magickally speaking. Then again, I don't do much spellwork anyway, and I've been rather too exhausted lately to do much more than light a candle and send out well-wishes to people when I think they could really use them.

I've also noticed an upsurge in people's emotions. When the world is behaving relatively normally, I don't feel anything. Lately, I've felt other people brushing against my own personal shield. I don't like that. It's annoying. I never usually feel anything and I hate having my private space intruded upon when I've got my own worries to be worried about.

As to life disruptions: **humorless laugh** Yes....you might say that. Everyone I've talked to has complained about how topsy-turvy things are becoming for them.

**sighs and shrugs** I don't care if the world changes or ends. As long as I get to see the Buffy finale FIRST.

"She needs to sort out her priorites." ~ Ron Weasley

[Xander67]

understand, DITTO and I hear you ses, LOL

but hey, dont be too hard on yourself, I can tell it was in your heart to do more that light a candle, but it was all you had, (energy) im sure that weighs alot with the Goddess,

gotta keep that shield up!

and yeah! BUFFY comes first:mad: Faith is comming back to angel in 2 weeks, then they have to ship her over to the Buffy set.... And I want to see what the Producers haved planned!!!

[Ahautenites]

Thanks, Xan. **wan smile**

**is in dire need of 13 hours of sleep every night for two weeks to get herself back to my usually impervious self**

Change will be good, I guess. Pretty bad when you almost want to wish for national disaster to have a legitimate reason to stay home from work. (Almost. Operative word.)

I'd like it if suddenly the US announced that it was going to set up an automobile program that would allow people to trade in their current vehicle for one that didn't require any fuel but sunlight. I'd like it if the change of the future included a food replicator for every home so that I wouldn't ever have to go grocery shopping ever again. I'd like to be able to hear the thoughts of animals. I'd like to be able to work only if I want to, not because I need to. **begins to daydream**

[Sequoia]

hmm. .. well, my reference on people of different power levels could be wrong ;) It was more a generalization.

screw buffy, I want the rest of the Harry Potter series! *chuckles* And Star Wars ep. III!!

[Xander67]

*nods* Ses, but i think they have the technology for sloar powerd cars, and wind vehicles... ive seen em on sci fi movies....
if only the engineers from Hollywoud and the auto industry would get in a think tank together :) wouldnt that be something..

and wouldnt it be great if tony blair and george bush remember a song from thier "colledge days" "All you need is love" no more war :)

[Phoenix Blue]

You're asking Bush to remember his college days in the first place, Xan. That may be too tall an order. . .

[Xander67]

OMG ^5 PB OMG that was good! :T

[Ahautenites]

**nods to Xander** I know they exist. But they're prohibitively expensive right now. That's why I was dreaming of a trade-in deal. Your car for a solar-powered one. An even exchange.

[Xander67]

like i said, the engineers of Hollywood would have to get with the auto industry, so we can have a solar powered car LOL

hey! I almost fell for it heheh

[Ahautenites]

**nods** Always wanted a solar-powered car. They look so funky.

And I'm still all for BookChips.... small chips with novels written on them that you put on your forehead while you sleep. That way, you can sleep and read at the same time, rather than falling asleep while reading.

[Tranquility]

nonono... very not good.. Mars in piscies is related to fire and also could and is likely linked with volcanic activity.... This could mean big trouble... gotta read smore

[Raevyn]

I believe the volcanoes bit is being discussed in the other thread (in Astrology).. I think. I do remember someone mentioning it (possibly Danus?)

[materra]

Mexico already has volcanic activity. And what happened to our thread discussion? Solar Cars? Man do we drift...

[Xander67]

yes it was Raevyn, but this thread was started by Twig as a support and love thread... with respect to a thread reguarding a cosmic event supposed to happen soon, which was talked about in the astrology forum :)

[Raevyn]

cue me nodding with that "riiight... aaaand... what am I missing here..?" look on my face

[MidnightSun]

Well...now my hair is on end. This event is going to be great to see, no doubt.

But mars will be in Pisces, and this is happening during Virgo...so it will have that polarity.

Me and my twin sister are Virgo Suns and Pisces Moons....so we have the same polarity..and it's happening 2-3 days before our 18th birthday...my hair is standing on end here..lol.

[Xander67]

Originally posted by Raevyn

cue me nodding with that "riiight... aaaand... what am I missing here..?" look on my face

I was just teasin ya Raevyn, :) here have some cake :)

[living_criticizm]

when i was reading this thread i remembered something my mom said.
she said that all levels of energy (people with diferent levels of awareness) will handle the "change" differently. she said that the "more advanced" you are the less you will be affected. but those who are "in the dark" will have a hard time and could go crazy.
like when you learn you change your vibration. and the closer you are to the "truth" the closer your vibration is to the new changing vibration....so you have less of a "morph".

does that make sense? I'm paraphrasing so if it doesnt make any sense i'm sorry...but the meaning is there i think.

[Derry]

..this whole thing with mars just brings it all into prospective. Everything in the universe is truly connected. Makes you wonder about all of the volcanic activety we have been seeing on this planet in the past year or so. I know they errupt all of the time, but it has been more than usual lately. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. I love astronomy. My hubby and I have a dobsonian telescope. Too bad we live so close to the city though. All of the lights ruin our night vision :(