Speaking an unknown language

[Prudence Rose]

for the past several months, maybe over a year now, it has been a common occurence for me to have long sayings in words of a language i do not know just pour out of my mouth. luckily this has generally been when i was alone. it first occurec in the form of song. oddly enough, i was in walmart one day like a year or more after this song first came to me and it started to play in english. it was a Christmas song. I dont know what it is called though. i heard the music withoout words to the same song on an episode of Muary Poviche not too long after. Later i started to experience having words in an unknown language pour out of my mouth in the regular, non-musical form. this generally happens when I'm angry. The words just start pouring out. a couple of weeks ago i had an episode with the music part of it and songs were just flowing one after another for probalby over an hour straight. as soon as one was over another began. i figure maybe its a language of a past life of mine or spirits trying to communicate perhaps. what do you think is giong on with this? Blessed be.

[Rain Gnosis]

Have you seen a doctor? What you're describing sounds like symptoms of Tourettes syndrome.

[Prudence Rose]

if it was toruettes syndrome i would not hear the same things i say on tv and the radio days later when i have never heard them b4.

[Rain Gnosis]

oddly enough, i was in walmart one day like a year or more after this song first came to me and it started to play in english. it was a Christmas song. I dont know what it is called though. i heard the music withoout words to the same song on an episode of Muary Poviche not too long after

If it was playing in Walmart or on TV and was a Christmas song chances are you'd heard the tune before and didn't consciously register it. After all, how many people pay conscious attention to music playing in the store (I sure don't, least of all when it's Xmas music). Thus it could've easily stayed in your subconscious and come up later.

So again, I suggest, see a doctor. If nothing else at least you can be sure it's not tourettes.

[Prudence Rose]

actually i may very well have found my own answer. several months ago my dad was dating a woman with psychic capabilities. she swore up and down there was a German spirit here. we live across the road from a cemitary.

[Rain Gnosis]

Maybe. I happen to live next to a cemetary myself, there are all kinds of spirits here. I've never known someone to unknowingly have a spirit speak through them, usually when someone is possessed they get the feeling of a presence, ie. they *know* it. I'm sure it's possible to not know though I'd still suggest seeing a doctor (I know, I don't mean to sound like I'm nagging :D) because what you speak of can be related to tourettes and some other probelms. Can't hurt to be safe.

[Prudence Rose]

would this count as sincing a presence? I always get a cold chill and all the hari own my arms stand up when this happens. also if i have a candle burning it starts flickering.

[Rain Gnosis]

The spirit is within the person's body, as they're speaking using it, so they "feel" the spirit within their body.

[Ankh]

Sounds like you could be sensing it doesnt need to be inside you :P i don't think its tourettes, i know used to know someone who had it - its not long spiels of things its like outburst and barks ... your limbs can also jerk out.

[Prudence Rose]

yeah, you pretty much descirbed what i think is going on. I don't think its tourettes either. beucase its not lk i cant controll it if i dont want to, at least not exactly. Its like i'll stop it when it happens and then a little voice in my head ask me to let it flow.

[Rain Gnosis]

:D I think a doctor would be the one to diagnose problems. As far as I know neither of you are doctors but I could be wrong! 8O

For another, it's also a symptom of mental problems and can relate to brain problems among other things.

[Ankh]

Rain i appreciate what you are saying but what is the point of going to see a doctor when as she said she can control it perfectly - tourettes is involuntary ( i dont need to be a doctor to know that) ... why go to a doctor if you have no symptoms ?

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh Rain i appreciate what you are saying but what is the point of going to see a doctor when as she said she can control it perfectly - tourettes is involuntary ( i dont need to be a doctor to know that) ... why go to a doctor if you have no symptoms ?

Just because one can have some control over their symptoms doesn't mean they don't exist. Whereas tourette symptoms aren't voluntary actions, I imagine Prudence doesn't voluntarily spew out nonsense words - whereas she can probably control doing so to some extent, that doesn't mean she's "doing it voluntarily" (and if she *was* doing it voluntarily, well then we wouldn't be confused as to why this is happening). For example, a person who has OCD can control it to a degree sometimes, but that doesn't mean they don't have OCD symptoms, and certainly doesn't mean they would be wasting time to see a doctor about it.

Randomly spewing out nonsense words *is* symptomatic of tourettes, brain problems, and some mental problems. I don't believe anyone here is qualified to make such a diagnosis (the only one I might trust pretty strongly in regards to medical problems is Semele as she's a nurse).

[Ankh]

It may also be emotional ... liek when shes angry she wants to scream something but doesnt know what to say so a lot of nonsense comes out. This is quite common! Nothing she has described sounds like tourettes. But of course you are entitled to your opinion. Prudence may choose your opinion or mine or both or none. Either way ... you think she needs to see a doctor, i don't.

[Rain Gnosis]

TS patients may utter strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases

Source: Tourettes.com


These outbursts are neither intentional nor purposeful

Source: Tourette Syndrome FAQ


The term, "involuntary," used to describe TS tics is sometimes confusing since it is known that most people with TS do have some control over their symptoms.

Source: OneDayAtATime Tourettes FAQ

All this information is easily available online, Ankh. I can easily find the resources again I found that suggested the possibility of mental problems as well.

[Ankh]

and ?? if you had read my last post you would have seen what i thought it to be (emotional!) again what you posted there was vague and not all that helpful (no offense) that could mean anything


may utter strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases

This could apply to perfectlly healthy people. If i was pissed at you for instance i may utter unacceptable words or make unacceptable noises etc.


These outbursts are neither intentional nor purposeful

And emotional outbursts are intentional and purposeful ??

[Ankh]

also if we had continued the source you used


The first symptoms of TS are usually facial tics--commonly eye blinking. However, facial tics can also include nose twitching or grimaces. With time, other motor tics may appear such as head jerking, neck stretching, foot stamping, or body twisting and bending.

TS patients may utter strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases. It is not uncommon for a person with TS to continuously clear his or her throat, cough, sniff, grunt, yelp, bark, or shout.

People with TS may involuntarily shout obscenities (coprolalia) or constantly repeat the words of other people (echolalia). They may touch other people excessively or repeat actions obsessively and unnecessarily. A few patients with severe TS demonstrate self-harming behaviors such as lip and cheek biting and head banging against hard objects. However, these behaviors are extremely rare.

Tics alternately increase and decrease in severity, and periodically change in number, frequency, type, and location. Symptoms may subside for weeks or months at a time and later recur.

Tourettes.com

[Ankh]

Also


Generally, TS is diagnosed by observing the symptoms and evaluating family history. For a diagnosis of TS to be made, both motor and phonic tics must be present for at least 1 year.

Sorry but i dont believe she has had tics (correct me if i am wrong please)

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
Sorry but i dont believe she has had tics (correct me if i am wrong please)

To be diagnosed both must be observed for one year. That doesn't mean she doesn't have Tourettes that hasn't been diagnosed or is in early stages.

[Ankh]

uh hu but she doesnt seem to have them at all does she ?

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
and ?? if you had read my last post you would have seen what i thought it to be (emotional!) again what you posted there was vague and not all that helpful (no offense) that could mean anything

Then do some research yourself. My assertion is involuntary speech can be a symptom of Tourettes and other problems. I didn't say it was the only symptom. I have sources that say "this can be a symptom of Tourettes or mental problems such as schizophrenia" and thus recommend seeing a doctor to be sure. My point is such actions can be a result of health problems that should be looked into. What proof do you have that uttering strange sounds and languages cannot be related to schizophrenia, tourettes, and other problems?

In my mind it's better to be safe then sorry and mundane reasons should be explored fully especially when relating to health.


This could apply to perfectlly healthy people. If i was pissed at you for instance i may utter unacceptable words or make unacceptable noises etc.

Thus why we go to the next quote that mentions they are involuntary. Obviously I can't paste the entire website here for you. All the sources are there for you to go read more, and in my mind are quite reputable (all being organizations for Tourettes affected folks).


And emotional outbursts are intentional and purposeful ??

Mine are, absolutely.

[Ankh]

so lets see .... you get really really angry or upset .... have u never heard of people losing control in such circumstances and (in particualr in reference to relationships) saying things they dont mean to ??

Well had you decided to post the context of your quotes rather than copy just the bits that say something you like perhaps they would have made more sense.

:rolleyes:

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
so lets see .... you get really really angry or upset .... have u never heard of people losing control in such circumstances and (in particualr in reference to relationships) saying things they dont mean to ??[

Yes. Have I heard of people spewing in strange languages when angry, and especially when they don't realize they're spewing *because* they're angry? No.


Well had you decided to post the context of your quotes rather than copy just the bits that say something you like perhaps they would have made more sense.

Ankh, the sources are clearly labelled specifically so you could go find the context yourself. As I said, I can't post the entire websites here for you - it's called copyright infringement. If I had intended to "cut and paste only what I liked" I wouldn't have cited references clearly for you to go to yourself.

[Ankh]

they don't realize they're spewing *because* they're angry

OK she never said she didnt realise she was doing it. Emtional outbursts can be confusing at times (trust me i'ma teenager i know how it goes) so you may not know *why* you get so upset or irrational or even that you are upset. the strange "languages" as i have said may simply be nonsense. When you are extremely upset or emotional it is quite common to say babble a lot of nonsense becvause you cant get the correct words out and sometimes you dont even realise it

[Ankh]

As I said, I can't post the entire websites here for you - it's called copyright infringement

Didnt ask you to. One mor eline would not have breached copyright and would have provided context

[Xander67]

If blurting out words in an unknown dialect is a symptom of mental illeness, then I know a whole bunch of people who are in reall bad need of a shrink....

according the Bible, "Speaking in an unknown tounge " is evidence of the Presence of the Holy Spirit inside of them...

so you are saying that the Holy Spirit makes you mentally ill??? wow!!!:eek:

[Ankh]

Heh! A Good point!

[Rain Gnosis]

they don't realize they're spewing *because* they're angry


Originally posted by Ankh OK she never said she didnt realise she was doing it.

Emtional outbursts can be confusing at times (trust me i'ma teenager i know how it goes) so you may not know *why* you get so upset or irrational.

No, she didn't say she didn't realize she was doing it or that she didn't know why she was angry, she said she didn't know why she spoke in a strange language. When I "speak in a strange language" of obscenities and nonsense words because I'm angry I know why I'm spewing out obscenities and nonsense words. I know I'm pissed off and that's why I'm swearing. I wouldn't post to a forum asking "why did I spew out obscenities". :D That's the point I'm getting at.

And anyway, I'm not saying your "emotional" reason is impossible. That's up to Prudence to decide, not you or me.

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
Didnt ask you to. One mor eline would not have breached copyright and would have provided context

Uh, one more line of which quote? The context is a website on Tourettes by Tourettes organization. What more context are you looking for?

And besides that, I'm still not sure why you think that's a big deal - clearly I labelled sources so you could go look yourself. How is that "hiding" context?

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Xander67 according the Bible, "Speaking in an unknown tounge " is evidence of the Presence of the Holy Spirit inside of them...

According to many Pagans, everyone already and always has the Divine in them.

If I were a student of the Bible and of the Christian God I might have a different opinion, but guess what, I'm not.


so you are saying that the Holy Spirit makes you mentally ill???

See above, and beyond that, why not?

[Ankh]

TS patients may utter strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases

Had you quoted one more line before or after that.

Again if you had read my post fully before:


Emtional outbursts can be confusing at times (trust me i'ma teenager i know how it goes) so you may not know *why* you get so upset or irrational or even that you are upset

[Xander67]

ok, are you speaking for all pagans?

im Pagan, and I do not think that christians who speak in tounges are mentally ill...

[Rain Gnosis]

Xander, why in the hell would I speak for all Pagans? Not trying to be rude, really I'm not, but of course not! I speak for me only, always.

And I'm not saying Christians who speak in tongues are mentally ill, I'm saying speaking in tongues can be a sign of mental illness. And for that matter, I wouldn't be surprised to learn we're all crazy.

[Xander67]

My Appologies Rain,

so then I guess we can agree to disagree then???

well I admit im not the sanest nut in Lego Mansion,

[Ankh]

oh i dunno i already tried that one but seems no-one was having it:


But of course you are entitled to your opinion. Prudence may choose your opinion or mine or both or none. Either way ... you think she needs to see a doctor, i don't.

[Xander67]

Prudence, I hope you get to the bottom of it :)

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh Had you quoted one more line before or after that.

Ok, one line before and one after then;


With time, other motor tics may appear such as head jerking, neck stretching, foot stamping, or body twisting and bending.

TS patients may utter strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases. It is not uncommon for a person with TS to continuously clear his or her throat, cough, sniff, grunt, yelp, bark, or shout.

So, how does this change your argument? Obviously you were able to use the reference I gave you to find that yourself, no? Motor tics, clearing one's throat, coughing, sniffing, grunting, yelping, barking, and shouting are other symptoms along with uttering strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases. You'll have to enlighten me, what difference does this make when I'm saying "uttering strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases" is a symptom?


Emtional outbursts can be confusing at times (trust me i'ma teenager i know how it goes) so you may not know *why* you get so upset or irrational or even that you are upset

Uhhuh and as I said I'm sure that's a possibility.

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
Rain thinks its tourettes.

No, Rain thinks it's a symptom of tourettes and other health problems and thus it might be wise to see a doctor to get a proper diagnosis. Rain thinks mundane reasons are usually the best ones to look at first, and that it's better to be safe and sorry. Rain thinks its better to explore all options and get medical help if there's any chance whatsoever one might be ill.

And next time, Rain will be happy to speak for herself if you don't mind :)

[Ankh]

I'm saying "uttering strange and unacceptable sounds, words, or phrases" is a symptom?

and i'm saying that this doesnt mean she has tourettes i utter unacceptable sounds and words quite often :rolleyes:

you seem determined to bring this point home that your point is one of the correct ones - had you even bothered to read a bit further back in the thread you would have seen i said iyou were entitled to your opinion TWICE!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
you seem determined to bring this point home that your point is one of the correct ones - had you even bothered to read a bit further back in the thread you would have seen i said iyou were entitled to your opinion TWICE!!

Ok, then you tell me, why are you still posting here?

Seems to me if I was "entitled to my opinion" the snide remarks and rolling eyes would've stopped a few pages ago, no?

After all, a conversation can't occur if only one person (ie. me) is posting.

[Ankh]

snide ? i haven't been snide thank you very much. I am rolling my eyes because you continue to argue with me when i accepted your right to have an opinion. And i am still posting because you keep arguing with me, so i again bring in my arguments

[Rain Gnosis]

Originally posted by Ankh
i haven't been snide thank you very much.

You'll have to excuse me then. The dozen rolling eyes, comments about how I "cut and pasted selectively to hide things", etc. seemed pretty snide to me.


I am rolling my eyes because you continue to argue with me

Again, arguments can't go on if only one person is arguing. If you don't want argument, don't post here and argue.

[Ankh]

cut and pasted selectively to hide things

Thats not snide thats an opinion ... rolling eyes are not snide remarks ... they are actions

[Ankh]

I am rolling my eyes because you continue to argue with me


Again, arguments can't go on if only one person is arguing. If you don't want argument, don't post here and argue.

again had you continued my quote its not the fatc that your arguing with me (its that your arguing with me when i've already accepted your right to opinion)

[Seren Mara]

Prudence, I think you should consult a doctor. I've always been a bit sceptical of speaking in tongues and what not, but it could well be. Whether it's possibly Tourettes or not, I don't know, but that sort of thing does not happen to everyone, and if you are having outbursts which you don't understand when you are angry, that could be a symptom of an anger problem, or perhaps something else that could maybe be eased by speaking to a counsellor. I wish you the best of luck.

[Ankh]

Another good idea, i agree that it may be something emotional such as an anger problem. :) the best of luck to you

[Lunacie]

Hello Prudence Rose, has anyone heard you speaking this "unknown language"? If it is a completely unknown language then it does sound like Tourette's or something like that, possibly even mental illness. However, if the language can be recognized then it would be more likely that it's from a past life, or from channeling some spirit.

My two cents, for what they're worth.

[Phoenix Blue]

This is a warning: keep the conversation civil and based on the issues, not the participants. Otherwise the thread will be closed.

[Flutterby_whispers]

M*M Prudence ~ back to your original question & wonders ~ perhaps you can keep a diary of whats going on in your life, keep a record of when you have these outburts & perhaps write down what your hearing in your head & what your saying out loud when you do so. Perhaps you'll be able to put the puzzle together if all the peices are in one place :)

Best of luck to you hun!!! While whats going on can have a plethora of reasons & is important, I think why it's going on is a more important question.

[Xander67]

so true!!

and if you ever need to talk to someone, you can find alot of support in the Healthy Pagan Forum, and if you find yourself really in need to talk, the MW Peer Councilors are here, and they are more than willing to talk to you, or to listen :)

[Prudence Rose]

i feel i need to further clarify. I am perfectly aware of what is going on when this happens, the whole time, i have considered the tongues thing sice i am a Christian-wiccan, and i have considered jibberish, wich is nto a sign of tourettes necesarily but rather something that occurs when someone is so angry they dont know what to say so they just make up words.perhaps its a bit of both. however i see no need to consult a doctor, becuase i have full controll over it. It is liek i'm a medium when it happens. I get a chill, sometimes a light or candle flickers, something ask me to let it through and I do. I allow it to happen beucase i don't feel threatened by it, not in the least. If anything i generally feel better after it happens. crap, for all i know its my spirit guide trying to communicate. I more than anything just wanna know how i can figure out what language it is.

[Rain Gnosis]

In that case flutterby has made an excellent suggestion and I think lunacie has a great point - next time document what you say and find out what it means :D

[Xander67]

yes, I think what everyone is trying to tell you is that they are concerned for you .

you will find allot of support here.

[Lunacie]

Hey Prue, thanks for clearing things up a little with more information. It does sound more like channeling a spirit, but that you and the spirit don't speak the same language. You might try to get a message through to the spirit telling it that you don't understand what it's trying to say and ask if it can speak in plain old English. ;)

Or you could try taping a few samples and taking them to a language instructor at a nearby college or university to see if they can recognize the language and decipher it for you.

I think what troubles most of us here is that you say this usually happens when you are angry, and therefore not in the best control of what happens to yourself. You say that you don't feel threatened or in danger, but it seems like getting a handle on this and maybe on your anger issues too would be helpful.

Another two cents worth, some things to consider.

[Flutterby_whispers]

You might try to get a message through to the spirit telling it that you don't understand what it's trying to say and ask if it can speak in plain old English

Thats a pretty good idea! I'd be interested to know if this were happening to me & it was indeed a spirit or something in the past comming to surface.

Course the professor might think your nuts but hay it'd be interesting!