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sherry
June 5th, 2001, 08:41 PM
Voodoo is a religion of the universe. The way that it works is through the energies and intelligence which are directed and manifested of ourselves and our universe.


I do not know why but I have always been drawn to New Orleans, as I have stated in the past.
I am very comfortable with my pagan beliefs and for a while read everything about Wicca I could get my hands on. Not all of what I have read is solid with me. Voodoo has interested me since high school when I did a lengthy report on Marie Laveau.

Webster's Dictionary describes Voodoo as the practice of WITCH CRAFT, chiefly practice by Negroes of Haiti, and characterized by propitiatory rites and communication by trance with animistic deities/ one who deals with spells and necromancy. (And if you think this sounds bad look up PAGAN!!)

Is this so different from others here on the site?? And being misunderstood is something we can all relate too. This morning when I went on line to look up voodooism for FACTS to put in this writing, I was not surprised to see the next word under it was paganism!
This is what I found in my search today: Voodoo is a religion of the universe. The way that it works is through energies and intelligence which are directed and manifested of ourselves and our universe. (as stated above to get your attention)
The word origin means power, that who is invisible, the creator of all things.
These practices originated from West Africa, and were brought to the New World in the minds, bodies and souls of enslaved Africans.
They have pantheon as with Wicca, they have Gods and Goddesses. Other similarities are that they use cards for readings (Tarot), Palm readings, African Bone readings (like Runes) Potions for personal usage (herbal), Oils and Baths, Mojo bags (magic bags). They have others that I personally have seen like their Exotic Snake Dance that I personally will never try at home! But was VERY intoxicating to watch. They do have special rituals for Weddings, Healing, Love, and they just add a few extras like mind control for self and others, and do not have a three fold rule or creed to follow.
There are various aspects of Voodoo:
Rada concentrates on the positive side of Voodoo only. (kinda fluffy bunny stuff)
Petro concentrates on the positive and the negative.
Sectra Rouge concentrates on the negative only ( here comes the Hollyweird stuff)
Zobop concentrates on the extreme negative. (these are the ones everyone thinks of
when the word voodoo comes along!!)

Voodoo devotees, as in all religions believe in a Omnipresent Creator and the Loa or Orisha. The Loa (Lou) act as intermediaries (like the catholic saints) between the creator and the human world. These Loa interact with people and things to help create and maintain spiritual balance.

Now the ZOMBIES everyone has heard of. As with our chosen paths, Hollywood, writers, anthropologists, scholars, and priest/ religious leaders have gotten ahold of them and twisted them out of truth in the public eye. Well now this is the truly frightening part of their religion. It is proven now by Medical Science in the past 10 years. They have used CAT scans and EEG's to prove the left side of the brain has no functioning areas on Zombies!!

This source used states that to make a zombie, a voodoo practitioner would make a potion that consists mostly of the poison from a pufferfish. This is one of the strongest natural nerve poisons known to man. This compares to the clinical drug Norcuron and is used during surgery. This quickly causes lethargy and the victim appears dead. Slowing the pulse and respirations to the point machines cannot detect them. They are then taken to a hospital, then buried alive!! APPEARING DEAD! Now through chants to the subconscious mind they again rise, through a voodoo practitioner, without the left side of the brain functioning. For those non medical folks the left side controls your speech, memory, and motor skills. They have no choice but to follow commands because they have no thought process of their own. In 1918 a voodoo priest TI Joseph was said to have owned many zombie all of which were then employed as sugar cane workers for the American Sugar Company in Haiti. Now here comes the part Hollywood failed to mention. The only way to break the spell and return to the grave permanently is through eating salt or through meat or meat products such as blood !! But that would not sell movie tickets. To this day if a death is unexplained in these areas they often pack the mouth of the dead with granules of salt, just to be sure they will never return. SO that kind of kills it for Night Of The Living Dead!!

now here is a brief description of the 7 Orishas (LOA)

Eleggua- Owner of the roads and opportunities. Messenger between the humans and the Orisha's, he is also a healer and master magician and can be extremely generous as well as cruel.

Obatala- Peace, harmony and purity. The creator of mankind, owner of everything white.
like bones, snow, the sky and the brain. Is often invoked for health, peace, and harmony.

Oloddumare- he is the concept of God.

Oshun- Goddess of sexuality, beauty, love, and diplomacy. Invoked for matters of Love and Money

Oya- Goddess of the wind, fire, and thunderbolt. As a female warrior she is invoked when there is a serious illness, or when transformation is necessary. She is the guardian of the gates of death, and a great witch, she is often named responsible for tornados, hurricanes.

Yemalia- The goddess of the sea and moon. She is the Mother and responsible for wealth.
Her nurturing energy soothes everyone. As the one who gives life and sustains the Earth, she is extremely giving and generous.

Shango- this one is legendary across Africa and is immortalized as the Thunder god. Shango's storms and lightning bring a purifying moral terror encapsulated by boldness and immediacy of his art and altars.

This is taken from info found in The New Orleans Spiritual Temple and areas on the web
http://www.gnofn.org./~voodoo/flyer.html http://archive.nandotimes.com/prof/caribe/Dictonary.html
http://w3.iac.net/~moonweb/NOSVT/VoodooFaq.html
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/z/zombies.html

Sherry

sherry
June 5th, 2001, 08:43 PM
Marie Laveau was a woman before her own time and someone I truly respect. She went from being a hairdresser to owning property and having freedom for all of her family in a time when there was no freedom for people of color in the south, especially not a woman.
She used voodoo to achieve things that were unheard of at the time and still remain unprovable. You see the wealthy would come to her for advise and at the same time she would put voodoo dolls with pins in them outside the homes of servants for them. Then the servants would come to her to have the hex removed and the price was to obtain information on the employers so she could appear as a mind reader or to plan her revenge and make money at the same time. She once helped a government official clear up a legal matter that was to have his son hanged, she did and receive a large New Orleans home as the payment for it!! This was unheard of in this time and I personally think she was a genius!! Even though prior to her death she gave up her practices and turned to catholic religion at the time. On 2 separate occasions I have seen her myself in New Orleans I still feel drawn to this city like no where else I have ever been!!


This is taken from info found in The New Orleans Spiritual Temple and areas on the web
http://www.gnofn.org./~voodoo/flyer.html http://archive.nandotimes.com/prof/caribe/Dictonary.html
http://w3.iac.net/~moonweb/NOSVT/VoodooFaq.html
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/z/zombies.html

Sherry

Mairwen
June 5th, 2001, 08:45 PM
Most excellent!

*does the Arsenio Hall *woowoowoo* thing!* 8O

bluecat
June 5th, 2001, 09:05 PM
:cool:

random
June 5th, 2001, 11:31 PM
Ah, thank you for that enlightenment (sp???) ...

On the PAGAN thing, it depnds on what dictionary you are looking in. I have a Collier's Dictionary and a paperback Websters (white-trash dictionary)

the Collier's has an okay definition.
Websters... don't even get me started on.

Semele
June 6th, 2001, 08:30 AM
Thank you for that most excellent post!!! Now, where did I put that doll of Dubya!!!

sherry
June 6th, 2001, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Semele
Now, where did I put that doll of Dubya!!!



Here use mine!!

magicbabs
June 6th, 2001, 12:16 PM
I have some corrections to the Termonology have given. These are accurate descriptions, but you have combined 2 different religions - Voodoo and Santeria. They are the same gods/powers, but the people that practice these systems are very picky about the names.

"Breif description of the 7 Orishas" (LOA)

Orisha is a Santeria Term.
Loa (pronounced La-Wah) is the Voodoo term.

Eleggua- Owner of the roads and opportunities. (Santeria)
Legba - Papa Legba (Voodoo)


Obatala- Peace, harmony and purity.
(Santeria)
(don't remember this ones Voodoo name)


Oloddumare- he is the concept of God.
(Not sure about this one - my friend is getting back to me on this one and the one above)


Oshun- Goddess of sexuality, beauty, love, and (Santeria)

Oya- Goddess of the wind, fire, and thunderbolt.
(Not sure of this one)

Yemalia- The goddess of the sea and moon. She is (Yemaya -and various other spellings - Santeria)

Shango- this one is legendary across Africa and is (Voodoo)


I have a lot of information on these two religions, because several of my close friends practice these systems. I personally do not practice this system.

You are very correct - the law of three does not apply to them. However, the karmic laws do.

If you want more information, I will e-mail you personally, but I will not give out spell information on these systems even through e-mail. I can give you information on how to start your path, but that is it.

If EITHER one of these paths is your path - you must have a god parent. Someone that is a priestess or priest must test you and actually train you. This is not a belief system that you can play with safely when you are uneducated.

My friends have decades of family memembers that have practiced these ways. It is fascinating.

You have a very good knowledge base. If you live in a large city there are people that you can contact. They will "feel" you out/check you out. They will know if it is your path. It is a very closed community. A very misunderstood and closed community.

Gotta go.
Magicbabs

sherry
June 6th, 2001, 03:24 PM
Thank You for your response to my VOODOO article but I feel you have blended 2 religions. I was speaking of what I have learned while in NewOrleans which is of Haitian heritage and what you are talking about is of Afro-cuban. BIG DIFFERENCE Santeria is not a primitive religion and has a large amount of EBO which includes sacrifice. While the voodoo I have been privileged to witness since I was 22 and I turn 38 next Monday! has only included chickens not all of the animals listed on the web as some of there offerings to the God they follow. The Orishas I spoke of are from the Yoruba Pantheon if you follow the links at the bottom of my article you will see just where they came from as well as the spelling. All of the FACTS in this article are justifiable by following the Links, and are backed by The Voodoo Spiritual Temple, 828 N. Rampart St. New Orleans, LA 70116 Or E-mail them at voodoo@gnofn.org So if you have any questions feel free to ask!!

magicbabs
June 6th, 2001, 04:05 PM
Yes, another friend of mine practices that path (Yoruba).

I was not attacking you when I was posting the other names. If you took it that way - it was not intended to offend.

The terms/names I gave you are valid in the Afro-Cuban path.

Your posting sounded like you were interested in Voodoo and might have wanted contacts or more information.

I was trying to offer you some contacts.

magicbabs
June 6th, 2001, 04:26 PM
I like the following webpages:
They are a mixture of Santeria/Vodou/Ifa etc...Hope you like them too.

http://members.aol.com/racine125/index1.html

http://www.seanet.com/Users/efunmoyiwa/ochanet.html
http://www.voodooshop.com/voodoo/faq.html

http://www.ifafoundation.org/

http://www.church-of-the-lukumi.org/

http://www.spellmaker.com/

magicbabs
June 6th, 2001, 04:32 PM
Some people have e-mailed me and asked for more links.

You might want to check with Sherry. Sounds like she has been exposed to this path for quite a while - she probably has better contacts.


http://www.voodooshop.com/voodoo/glossary.html

Babs

sherry
June 6th, 2001, 04:47 PM
I did not take it as an attack I just knew what I wanted to tell in my article and have never been exposed to Santeria before so I went to look it up after your post !!
While there are some of the same ideas I noticed several things that were extremly different!!
Any questions I have about Voodoo I go straight to the temple they are the ones that live it and due to the friends I have in New Orleans I have visited this place and enjoyed it!!

One big difference is they do not require a godparent you spoke of. And I did not go looking for them they found me at the tomb of Marie Laveau.

magicbabs
June 6th, 2001, 04:56 PM
That is so COOL!! They found you at the tomb!!!

I want to visit there in the future. My friends say if you make a wish and put the cross/crossroads/legba sign on it the wish comes true.

Yep , there are alot of differences. But the powers/gods are related. Kind of like the Greeks and Romans. Same gods - different paths.

Man, that is really neat. YOu were visiting the tomb and they "felt you"?????

COOL!!! Don't you love it when things like that happen. The universe sets you up to be in a certain spot, certain time.....LOVE IT!!!

Babs

sherry
June 6th, 2001, 05:57 PM
It is 3 X's use for a wish, Love understanding and for a spirit guide
I had just lit a candle and incense in her honor. Even though she left voodooism prior to her death her tomb is well guarded by her FAMILY of followers.

And another bit of info they told me Her wishes were to be cremated because of the zombie rituals but due to fear of the catholic church it was denied. No one wanted to be the one to set fire to her!!!!!!

mato
February 21st, 2002, 01:08 AM
Did something on a completely diff subject and this popped up! :) Two topics which I am researching/practicing combine in such wonderful ways :D, I will post something later but just wanted to BUMP so I will see it tomorrow. :devil:

Illuminatus
February 21st, 2002, 10:11 AM
I may have to challenge you on that Zombie-Nerve-Potion theory... it seems too incredible.

Garnet
February 21st, 2002, 03:59 PM
Thanks for clearing up a bunch of questions I've had. I read one book on voodoo years ago, & it was 3/4 ads for special candles, potions, etc....including the 'finale' for the few rituals/spells it had. You couldn't finish even one without sending $$$$ to someone. Honestly, it kind of gave me the impression that voodoo was a rip-off. Thanks for proving me wrong.

Myst
February 21st, 2002, 04:04 PM
I'm pretty sure this belongs elsewhere anyway, maybe it should be moved?

sherry
February 23rd, 2002, 07:16 AM
WOW I can't believe it !! Just when I had the feeling that things I wrote go unnoticed up popped this one !!

I do enjoy it when something I write actually is understood

This is a subject very dear to my heart and totally understood by me when the other studies seem to take forever to sink in
NOW if MY POETRY could be understood this easily!!



THANKS

nehelia
February 25th, 2002, 01:39 AM
its interesting to look at the way the different sects, such as santeria, voodo, and umbanda view the different orixas/loas. ive had the most direct contact with umbanda after visiting brazil, and the crossroads orixa there is Exu. . . dont remember the others that well, since Exu was the only one really interested in me.

i do agree that serious work with these beliefs is best done with a teacher, because of the high rigidity and also high energy amount inherent in the way orixas/loas are worked with. but i also think that you can work with them in a more appreciative petition way without harm. it depends on how the deity is willing to work with you, i guess. . . and Exu likes me enough to work outside the traditional structures.