Karma System. Stay or Go?

[mol]

Its up to you all. Do you want it to stay? Or do you want it to go?

[mol]

Information about what the Karma system is can be found HERE (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?postid=477358&postcount=1).

[Danustouch]

Go....it would be nice if we could all "play along nicely" but I have a feeling this just leaves far too much room for hard feelings, people who may not be able to take a joke as well as others..etc.

But..while it's still been here, I've been having fun with it ;)

A thought occurred to me though....and you might want to mull this one over.... what if we erased the "negative karma" aspect, and just had "Good Karma" or "Bonus Karma" instead? I was thinking...when we see someone who is asking for energy, releasing a primal scream, ranting, or sharing something that is painful to them, we could just click on that handy dandy feature, and send them some "Bonus Karma" to brighten their day a little bit.

[mol]

Go....it would be nice if we could all "play along nicely" but I have a feeling this just leaves far too much room for hard feelings, people who may not be able to take a joke as well as others..etc.

But..while it's still been here, I've been having fun with it ;)

A thought occurred to me though....and you might want to mull this one over.... what if we erased the "negative karma" aspect, and just had "Good Karma" or "Bonus Karma" instead? I was thinking...when we see someone who is asking for energy, releasing a primal scream, ranting, or sharing something that is painful to them, we could just click on that handy dandy feature, and send them some "Bonus Karma" to brighten their day a little bit.

:needcoffe

I don't see whats so bad about taking some negative with the positive? Well, I really like the idea of it. But, enough people were grumbling about it that I thought it should just be put up for everyone to decide.

[Danustouch]

I guess that I just figure, that people have enough negative energy in their own lives at times, that if they come here during a time when they are already having a bad day, and check their Karma to see that three people gave them negative ones that day, it might just bum them out. I know it's all a game, and all in fun. And I'm glad that you explained that in your about karma game thread. But.. I don't know. I just have this feeling it's going to cause more problems in the long run. I do think the idea is cute, and I do wish that i didn't see potential problems ahead with it, but...i just..do.... :( sorry Mol. I know you're exhausted, have been working really hard, and it must seem we're all throwing a million things at you at once. But..there's been alot for US to absorb, and react to with all these changes, too ;) Hang in there, we'll all figure things out as we go along. I just hope for the best resolution to this little question :)

[mol]

Its all good! http://mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/areindeer.gif I don't mind if it gets voted out. I gave the poll a week and I will probably send out a mailing about it, since it sounds important enough that everyone should be allowed join in if the want.

[Danustouch]

*hands mol a cup of coffee because he did this: :needcoffe *

Only ...the coffee I'm handing him has an added bonus, a little bit of :drinking: Raspberry Bacardi in it :)

[mol]

:p

[Scarlettvixen]

i voted keep it
can we try it for a month and then decide? see if its causing problems?

[Zander770]

I guess that I just figure, that people have enough negative energy in their own lives at times, that if they come here during a time when they are already having a bad day, and check their Karma to see that three people gave them negative ones that day, it might just bum them out. I know it's all a game, and all in fun. :)

someday's--like tonight--i just cruised in here with nada in particular on my mind; nothing to really post; "kickin' back" & having fun, so, in this state of mind, sure, it's "cool . . ."

most (other) times, however, i don't really wanna "mess around," and--believe it or don't!--i'm consintrating on my next, mamooth and earth-shattering post! so, then, no; i wouldn't really care to "mess-around," too much!

but: utimately i vote:

YES! keep the Karma.yes yes yes . . .

http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/lol.gif

[Faery-Wings]

I agree Scarlett. Lets try it for now and see how it flies. I'll just be careful that when I am in one of my moods, :grrrrr: I'll stay away from looking at them if there are any bad. :gagged:

[Mithrea]

From the whispers I've heard, the people who want it to go are a)worried that they are going to get lots of negatives or b)have already got some. (No offense intended) My point is that it's way too early to claim it's a bad thing. How do we know when it's only been going on for two days? My vote was to keep it, but we need to clearly define what "abuse" of the system is. If it gets out of hand, it can always be dealt with later. But how many times have you read a post and thought "Yes!!!" but it was too strange or timeconsuming to post an agreement or pm? -OR- how many times has a post just really turned your stomach and you can't really say so? I don't know, it *could* go bad, but I think it has the potential to be a really really good thing too. :) Things like this are whatever you make of it. Isn't that the whole point?

[WillowSageheart]

A thought occurred to me though....and you might want to mull this one over.... what if we erased the "negative karma" aspect, and just had "Good Karma" or "Bonus Karma" instead? I was thinking...when we see someone who is asking for energy, releasing a primal scream, ranting, or sharing something that is painful to them, we could just click on that handy dandy feature, and send them some "Bonus Karma" to brighten their day a little bit.

I really like your idea Danustouch!

I didn't vote because I can't decide. How do you view your own Karma anyway?

[mol]

I really like your idea Danustouch!

I didn't vote because I can't decide. How do you view your own Karma anyway?

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?postid=477358&postcount=1

[amberlaine]

Bah, I think it's cute, and I like that is not anoynymous. If it were aonymous that would sucketh. But I think it's fun.

[mol]

Well, the vote is going to last a week...so...lets use it while we vote and see how it flies.

[mol]

Bah, I think it's cute, and I like that is not anoynymous. If it were aonymous that would sucketh. But I think it's fun.

Hehe. It could be anonymous, but I thought "Where is the fun in that?"

[Ravens_Tears]

I like it

[Xander67]

I say lets give it a try, its all in fun, :)

[Ryhla]

I'm not sure how to decide. As long as it doesn't get abused, it could work.

[Rain Gnosis]

I think it's great fun! People shouldn't take it too seirously. And to people who have already "touched my karma", thanks! :fprtyman2

[WillowSageheart]

How can you tell if people give or take if they don't send a message with it?

[mol]

How can you tell if people give or take if they don't send a message with it?

In the user control panel there is a little icon next to the touches. Green for positive and red for negative.

[Flaire-FireStar]

A thought occurred to me though....and you might want to mull this one over.... what if we erased the "negative karma" aspect, and just had "Good Karma" or "Bonus Karma" instead? I was thinking...when we see someone who is asking for energy, releasing a primal scream, ranting, or sharing something that is painful to them, we could just click on that handy dandy feature, and send them some "Bonus Karma" to brighten their day a little bit.
I see where you're coming from, Danus. I rather like the idea of positive (I mean, I've already got a neg, but I don't mind as much because the person was just trying out the system)
But that's how people are going to abuse the system. :geez: Though, I've seen on other sites where they just have postive and they work out fine. ( :) )

I vote STAY, by the way. :lol:

[Xander67]

yeah, I agree with Rain and Saph,
its supposed to be for fun right, like either an oooo nice post high five type or a Fishy smack bop over the head type thing, not to be confused with ...BAH you are a moron, type thing right?

[WillowSageheart]

I finally decided to vote stay. Seems like it may be fun, and hey if it becomes a problem it can always be eliminated later, right?

[Flaire-FireStar]

I finally decided to vote stay. Seems like it may be fun, and hey if it becomes a problem it can always be eliminated later, right?

Yup....

But I still say you can eliminate the negatives. (Or the abusers n'stuff)

:fishsmack Smack 'em!

[mol]

yeah, I agree with Rain and Saph,
its supposed to be for fun right, like either an oooo nice post high five type or a Fishy smack bop over the head type thing, not to be confused with ...BAH you are a moron, type thing right?

That is correct. And the rules of the community apply to this system as well. If someone sends you a negative with "Youre a prick." as the comment, then you need to report that to an admin immediately and it will be dealt with.

[mol]

Yup....

But I still say you can eliminate the negatives.

Maybe a few negatives on someone might make them think a little more before they post! :p Probably not, though. Im getting my Karma points taken left and right so far. :geez:

[Flaire-FireStar]

I'm doing good so far. :lol:

But I still have to smarten up a bit.. Erm... Leave a good impression before I go away!

[mol]

I'm doing good so far. :lol:

But I still have to smarten up a bit.. Erm... Leave a good impression before I go away!

Where are you going? :sadeyes:

[Flaire-FireStar]

I'm going to be going to Ontario (driving). Don't knkow if I'll have net access once I get there, so I may (or may not) be out for a month. :eek: (That's too long!)

[Old Witch]

This is gonna make me cry. I just know it............

[mol]

I'm going to be going to Ontario (driving). Don't knkow if I'll have net access once I get there, so I may (or may not) be out for a month. !:eek: (That's too long!)

Noooooooooooooooooo!

[mol]

This is gonna make me cry. I just know it............

Naw! No cryin' here. I just popped you with some good Karma!

[Xander67]

:eek:
Holy fishsmacks BatMan, who would be so Bold as to mock a God ?

[mol]

Good grief, Old Witch. With that post count and your join date I think you have about 20 Power points. Everyone...BE NICE TO HER! :)

[Phoenix Blue]

That is correct. And the rules of the community apply to this system as well. If someone sends you a negative with "Youre a prick." as the comment, then you need to report that to an admin immediately and it will be dealt with.
Can you actually report a "Karma-touch"?

I dunno if Wanderer would want people touching me that way. . .

[mol]

!:eek:
Holy fishsmacks BatMan, who would be so Bold as to mock a God ?

Well, Rain smacked me down once. And a few others I cant remember who...

[Xander67]

SAPH! you will certainly be missed... you be careful driving, NO SPEEDING we want you safe :)

[mol]

Can you actually report a "Karma-touch"?

I dunno if Wanderer would want people touching me that way. . .

I could code something like that in. For now we will just have to have people PM an admin. There is a record of all touches and comments that cannot be deleted, so I can verify everything when the need arises.

[Ravens_Tears]

I'm going to be going to Ontario (driving). Don't knkow if I'll have net access once I get there, so I may (or may not) be out for a month. !:eek: (That's too long!)

Really????? Brandon is just off the Trans Canada!http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/huepfen017.gif Maybe you could stop here for a coffee break!

[MammaStar]

Well, Rain smacked me down once. And a few others I cant remember who...

I've smacked ya on occassion. ;) :smoke:

[Xander67]

Can you actually report a "Karma-touch"?

I dunno if Wanderer would want people touching me that way. . .

heheh :lol:

[Ravens_Tears]

:fpoke: <<<< look look, they're touching me!!!! :wah:

LOLOLOL:rollingla

[Flaire-FireStar]

This is gonna make me cry. I just know it............

I was going to make my very own thread so that everyone didn't htink I dropped off the face of the planet. :eek:


Really????? Brandon is just off the Trans Canada!http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/huepfen017.gif Maybe you could stop here for a coffee break!

I can asketh. :D (I was supposed to go meet MoonRaven and her b/f in Toronto, but it doesn't look like she'll be able to make it) :(


:fpoke: <<<< look look, they're touching me!!!! :wah:

It's just a stick... :2G:

[Xander67]

you be careful anyhow... :)

[Ravens_Tears]

I can asketh. :D (I was supposed to go meet MoonRaven and her b/f in Toronto, but it doesn't look like she'll be able to make it) :(


It would be on your way through to ON :) Pm me later on Yahoo! I have to go do house work now:geez:...

[Xander67]

just tell them its a planned stop lol :)

[Flaire-FireStar]

It would be on your way through to ON :) Pm me later on Yahoo! I have to go do house work now:geez:...

Yeh, but I don't know if we'll be venturing of the Yellowhead. :sadeyes:

[Medea]

Maybe a few negatives on someone might make them think a little more before they post!

What a little idealist you are! :smoke:

[mol]

What a little idealist you are! :smoke:

Heh. It was just a thought.

[AmbivalentMirage]

I think we should keep the caramel system...

providing, that is, that I don't put my mouse over a little red icon next to my posts and see a mouseover that says "AmbivalentMirage is on such a wretched path that hell (all circles) have rejected him and he is scheduled from utter vanquishing." I think I might cry then... ;)

If it's all in good fun, it sounds great. :) However, if people start to take it seriously... well, things could get tense. For instance, if people start handing out bad karma because they dislike the opinions posted in Politics... well, that could start a war. :-/ People are friendly... except in politics. Oh, and theology... We should probably be careful. Maybe some critera could be created regarding giving serious bad karma? People, in the heat of anger or upset could look at those guidelines and decide whether or not they really want to give bad karma points. :) Of course, bad karma just-for-fun is just-for-fun... but you know someone, somewhere is going to get offended and start a serious karma-bashing. :( I'm still new to MWs, I know (less than a year here), but I've seen some threads get pretty tense and people offended...

Yes, I know, that's a lot of rules and silliness for something that is just for fun...

But what do you want? I'm Jewish! Have you ever seen the Talmud? You could fill a library with all the Talmudic commentaries there are! We like laws! ;)

[Jax]

(although I'll have to pull my socks up and get in here more often as I've slipped in that department of late!:geez:)

[Pan]

I agree that it -might- leave room for hard feelings.. but as long as people keep in mind that it's all in good fun, we're grand. :)

I voted to keep it.

[Cairdeas]

i voted keep it

I like this idea by Sapphire Vampire. I kind of like the idea of karma points. FWIW.

[Lucidia]

i voted to get rid of it, BUT.... i think it could be fun and i won't really be upset either way. i think it might be a cool way to show extra appreciation for people who really contribute to the forums with their insight and wisdom. or maybe when someone makes you laugh when you're having a bad day. etc. either way it's cool.

[Matt]

i like the karma thing think its kinda cool i do! all hail mol inventer of niffty things! :fpraiseyo

[lorhawks]

Is it something you could turn on and off? That way those who wanted to participate could, and those that don't, don't have to... Just thoughts.

lorhawks

[Ben Trismegistus]

It sounds like a good idea to me. After all, I would like for people to tell me if I was being an @$$hole.

[Mnemosyne]

I voted to get rid of it. To be honest, I really don't see the point of it. I come on this site for fun and to gain more knowledge. I really don't think that it's going to be fun to read if someone doesn't like your post or personally like you. I'm not really into the negative. I wouldn't mind if this system was postive. It's the just the negative aspect that will hurt people and may leave members feeling angry.

[mol]

Is it something you could turn on and off? That way those who wanted to participate could, and those that don't, don't have to... Just thoughts.

lorhawks

We are going at this all or nothing. :)

[mol]

I voted to get rid of it. To be honest, I really don't see the point of it. I come on this site for fun and to gain more knowledge. I really don't think that it's going to be fun to read if someone doesn't like your post or personally like you. I'm not really into the negative. I wouldn't mind if this system was postive. It's the just the negative aspect that will hurt people and may leave members feeling angry.

*sigh* Now how would that be fun? I don't understand what everyone has against the negative aspect. I swear I see preaching around here every day by someone saying we to need to emrace the negative and positive, the darkness and the light. Where are they now?!!?

I fully expect to lose some Karma points when I post a ripping response to someone in Political Pagan, but then it will return to me when someone smiles reading my poetry and touches my Karma in a positive way.

Mnemosyne, I'm not ripping on your opinion...I'm just stating mine.

[Ahautenites]

I'm right here, mol. ;) And I voted to keep it, despite the fact that I've been making myself kind of unpopular in the past few days.

[mol]

I'm right here, mol. ;) And I voted to keep it, despite the fact that I've been making myself kind of unpopular in the past few days.

I know some folks here who might be very happy having BAD Karma! :D

[Rain Gnosis]

I would, personally, be a MUCH happier person if people pointed out specifically where I post offensive things and why they are offensive. Instead sometimes I hear second hand how mean I am and never know who I offended or how :sadeyes: Honestly, I'm really for this as it gives people the opportunity to provide constructive feedback in a not-too-serious way.

And it brightens my day, honestly brightens my life really, when I do get notes saying "hey what you said there really made sense to me, thanks!". I do get PMs like that sometimes, and with the karma system it's just easier for people to do that. I've already gotten a few really nice notes!

[mol]

I would, personally, be a MUCH happier person if people pointed out specifically where I post offensive things and why they are offensive. Instead sometimes I hear second hand how mean I am and never know who I offended or how :sadeyes: Honestly, I'm really for this as it gives people the opportunity to provide constructive feedback in a not-too-serious way.

And it brightens my day, honestly brightens my life really, when I do get notes saying "hey what you said there really made sense to me, thanks!". I do get PMs like that sometimes, and with the karma system it's just easier for people to do that. I've already gotten a few really nice notes!

Exactly! It was the first thing I checked when I got to the boards today. I couldnt help smiling at the notes people left me. And, I even got a big red tag from someone over a post in Political Pagan with the note "You need to calm down." After checking out the post in question I realized...yikes, maybe that was a tad bit harsh.

*throws hands up in the air*

[Phoenix Blue]

Instead sometimes I hear second hand how mean I am and never know who I offended or how.
;) You're just a strong personality. Been there, done that. . . still there, for that matter! :p

[Rain Gnosis]

PB


You're just a strong personality. Been there, done that. . . still there, for that matter!

Oh, is THAT what we call it! :lol:

From the karma info;

You cannot touch the same person's Karma until you have touched 10 others.

I think that might be interesting to note for some people - so, one person can't flood your karma with bad points.

[Mithrea]

*sigh* Now how would that be fun? I don't understand what everyone has against the negative aspect. I swear I see preaching around here every day by someone saying we to need to emrace the negative and positive, the darkness and the light. Where are they now?!!?

I've been wondering the EXACT same thing!

[mol]

I think that might be interesting to note for some people - so, one person can't flood your karma with bad points.

That is correct. That is called spreading Karma around. And I can even up that number. In fact, it was 20, but Semele and I set it back down to 10.

[Rain Gnosis]

yes, I noticed because I went to give your karma point back and can't 'till I spread more around :)

[Ben Trismegistus]

Am I crazy?

Because the button is marked "Touch Karma", I keep thinking of Cartman's line from the South Park movie:

"I have just seen the new Terrence & Philip movie. Who wants to touch me?!.... I SAID WHO WANTS TO F***ING TOUCH ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"

:veryweird

[Rain Gnosis]

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

d'oh! I've gotta make a list of people I want to give karma points to tomorrow :D

[AmbivalentMirage]

*sigh* Now how would that be fun? I don't understand what everyone has against the negative aspect. I swear I see preaching around here every day by someone saying we to need to emrace the negative and positive, the darkness and the light. Where are they now?!!?

I fully expect to lose some Karma points when I post a ripping response to someone in Political Pagan, but then it will return to me when someone smiles reading my poetry and touches my Karma in a positive way.

Mnemosyne, I'm not ripping on your opinion...I'm just stating mine.
I tried, Mr. Mol... but darkness was just too big for me to wrap my arms around it... :( *sighs*

Alas, I still believe we should keep all aspects of the karma system... just make sure people use it wisely. :)

[Twig]

:fpeek:

:jamsessio Should I stay or should I go now.....:headphone

Heheheh. I was gonna reply last night but every time I saw the thread that song kept popping into my head and I couldn't do it. I really wanted to but I couldn't!

Everone has a valid point you know. I guess the only way we will find out is to try it for a while and see.

And I'm not saying how I voted cause this is AMERICA and I don't have to! :smile:

Peace,
Twig
:elf:

ps...... [Mr. Mol]...???? whassat???n :wtf: :rolleyes: :lol: :fpraiseyo :fpraiseyo :fpraiseyo :fpraiseyo

[shiloki]

I Wanna Touch More Karma!!!! I Wanna Touch More Karma!!!!!

[WandererInGray]

*smiles* I agree with those who said that maybe it will help people think twice about their posts and be a little nicer. Even if they're having a bad day.

*shrugs* Idealistic maybe. But that's what I'd like to see.

*grins* I can take a little negative karma if I'm being a b****. I know I do it...so it's only right people can tell me. ;)

[Scarlettvixen]

Mol what i just found disconcerting now tho was that i cant touch 2 peoples karma in the same thread
in long threads u cant agree with multiple people!

[mol]

Mol what i just found disconcerting now tho was that i cant touch 2 peoples karma in the same thread
in long threads u cant agree with multiple people!

Hmm. I will look into that. It may be a bug.

[Rain Gnosis]

the only thing is i don't know when 24 hours are up so I can go touch karma again :D

[Ravens_Tears]

the only thing is i don't know when 24 hours are up so I can go touch karma again :D
Me neither..... :eyebro:


** standing on "corner" of Mystic wicks **

'scuse me, can anyone spare a few karma points?? 3 more and I have 2 dots!!!! aww come on.. some one touch me!!!:lol:

[mol]

'scuse me, can anyone spare a few karma points?? 3 more and I have 2 dots!!!! aww come on.. some one touch me!!!:lol:

Consider yourself, touched!

[Ravens_Tears]

Thankyou!!!! http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/huepfen017.gifhttp://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/yourock.gif

** taking a screenshot! **

[~ Monk ~]

Exactly! It was the first thing I checked when I got to the boards today. I couldnt help smiling at the notes people left me. And, I even got a big red tag from someone over a post in Political Pagan with the note "You need to calm down." After checking out the post in question I realized...yikes, maybe that was a tad bit harsh.

I may a bit slow today (a few days away from the computer does that to me), but...where exactly do you see comments that are left? I checked the UCP but didn't see anything at all regarding the karma system. Does nothing show up if there haven't been any comments left?

I like it - but I fear the beating my karma will take from PP...:tongueout

[WandererInGray]

*grins* Not from me Shpongle...we usually agree! ;)

[Flar's Freyja]

I voted to get it out, but after reading more since then it seems that there are some safeguards, so maybe it will work as it's supposed to.

[Autumn]

Call me a drag, if you want, but it seems like to much of a popularity contest to me. I've seen too many pile-ons in other places and I don't want tosee them here. I think the system will encourage them, and I'd rather see our esteemed administrators issuing appropriate warnings where warnings are due.

[Flar's Freyja]

Call me a drag, if you want, but it seems like to much of a popularity contest to me. I've seen too many pile-ons in other places and I don't want tosee them here. I think the system will encourage them, and I'd rather see our esteemed administrators issuing appropriate warnings where warnings are due.

These were exactly my concerns. It reminds me too much of the social dysfunction of reality shows and also seems that it will lead to an impersonal relationship between admin and members. While I realize that this board is way too big for the admins to keep up after every single post, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to utilize peer influence.

And I can't get excited about getting points for anything unless they're going to pay off my student loans or something..........

[mol]

Call me a drag, if you want, but it seems like to much of a popularity contest to me. I've seen too many pile-ons in other places and I don't want tosee them here. I think the system will encourage them, and I'd rather see our esteemed administrators issuing appropriate warnings where warnings are due.

Ugh, the Karma system has nothing to do with moderation/administration. I guess I don't understand what you think the system is for. It is purely for fun and the same rules that apply to this community also apply to that system.

[Flar's Freyja]

Ugh, the Karma system has nothing to do with moderation/administration. I guess I don't understand what you think the system is for. It is purely for fun and the same rules that apply to this community also apply to that system.

Not to speak for Autumn, but I see it as a way of letting the members have some influence over posts, although there may be some merit in the way it could remind people to watch what they say.

It's probably due to my professional background as well as personal opinions, including my distaste for the concept of reality shows, but I don't see it as a very healthy form of fun.

Just my opinion and as I said earlier, I see the safeguards and it may end up working the way it's intended to. We'll just have to see.

[Rain Gnosis]

I guess I don't see the difference, in regards to the karma system and a "popularity contest". Popularity contests go on in this forum anyway - whether it's someone posting, private messaging, chatting on AIM, or using the karma system - they happen in any community. If someone wants to engage in "popularity contests" they will use the karma system, or failing that they'll gossip in chat and spread rumours. *shrugs*

Back to the "guns don't people" type thinking; karma points don't cause "popularity contests", people do.

[Rain Gnosis]

And uh, sorry, I don't get your reality show bit - giving people karma points isn't following their every move with a camera and broadcasting it to millions of strangers. How does it encourage social dysfunction for me to say "hey, Ben made a great post today" and send him a quick note saying so?

[Flar's Freyja]

I guess I don't see the difference, in regards to the karma system and a "popularity contest". Popularity contests go on in this forum anyway - whether it's someone posting, private messaging, chatting on AIM, or using the karma system - they happen in any community. If someone wants to engage in "popularity contests" they will use the karma system, or failing that they'll gossip in chat and spread rumours. *shrugs*

Back to the "guns don't people" type thinking; karma points don't cause "popularity contests", people do.

I agree. I've been working with dysfunctional people for too long, and lately there's not much difference between the ones in my work life and personal life........

I think I need a vacation :adidas:

[Rain Gnosis]

*hugs*

[Xander67]

Rain, you are a true Goddess! that was beautiful I couldnt agree more :fpraise:

[Scarlettvixen]

thanks

[Old Witch]

I could use 4 more touches then I would be "double green dots".......:sadeyes:

[Rain Gnosis]

hm, can't say I understand how many points it gives you each time someone touches karma. I just gave Old Witch 2, but it seems people have given me more than that at once.

[shiloki]

where's my posts?? i know i put at least 3 posts in this thread and i can only find one!....:sniffsnif .....not to mention my karma has gone down considerably :sadeyes: ....can i change my vote?....i'm thinkin' i'm startin' to not like this karma system....i never really thought about it in terms of a popularity contest....but rain_gnosis is right....i just figured everyone else would be as fair as i'd try to be....but maybe not....:shrug:
how do you see who gaveth/tooketh karma??...sometimes when i touch my own karma *ahem* i can see my current score, usually it says "your karma is even" and occassionally someone has left a note, as well...but i don't know who left it....other times, the first message mighte say "your karma is very good on this post"....is it post specific??...i just recently discovered my control panel and some of the other stuff under the main profile link, but i couldn't find anything on viewing your own karma...i got a couple PMs from people thanking me for giving them karma, and i'd like to do the same but i don't know how to figure out who gave it!!!



ok - i'm done :)

[AmbivalentMirage]

hm, can't say I understand how many points it gives you each time someone touches karma. I just gave Old Witch 2, but it seems people have given me more than that at once.
Mol explained on the first thread about the karma system how karma power points work. Karma power points are NOT karma points, however. The power points determine how much karma you give/take away from people. You can figure out your power points by reading the rules and looking over how many posts you've made, etc.

[Rain Gnosis]

*chuckles* Thanks for explaining that more clearly. However, I still don't think it adds up. You get 1 power point per 1000 posts (I don't have 1000), 1 for every 90 days you've been registered (I haven't been registered for 90 days with this nick yet, according to my first post I've only used the nick for a month today), and 1 point for every 100 karma points (I don't have 200 yet, therefore that's 1 point). So, that I used 2 rather than 1 is still over my head.

[Xander67]

im still number crunching too, but im haveing fun with it :)

[Rain Gnosis]

and *gasp* PB gave me a red one!!! eek!

[Xander67]

maybe thats cause you he was eyeing up your two purdy green 0's :)

[Rain Gnosis]

think he covets my greenies?

heh!

[Xander67]

:T

[Phoenix Blue]

I don't covet anything that doesn't belong to WandererInGray! :deviltail :loveduv:

[Old Witch]

Double green dots!!! Yay!! http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/jump.gifThank You!!!

[Ben Trismegistus]

Man these karma points are becoming addictive! I need more - I'm jonesing on karma!

Only ten points away from a second green dot!

*joins Karmaholics Anonymous*

[Ben Trismegistus]

OK, now I'm a little confused. I'm thrilled to have my double green dots (thanks Old Witch!), but it seems that just one touch resulted in 24 Karma points -- how exactly does the point system work?

[mol]

OK, now I'm a little confused. I'm thrilled to have my double green dots (thanks Old Witch!), but it seems that just one touch resulted in 24 Karma points -- how exactly does the point system work?

Information about the system can be found here:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?postid=477358&postcount=1

[mol]

*chuckles* Thanks for explaining that more clearly. However, I still don't think it adds up. You get 1 power point per 1000 posts (I don't have 1000), 1 for every 90 days you've been registered (I haven't been registered for 90 days with this nick yet, according to my first post I've only used the nick for a month today), and 1 point for every 100 karma points (I don't have 200 yet, therefore that's 1 point). So, that I used 2 rather than 1 is still over my head.

I think you get a free point for just having a positive Karma point sum.

[WandererInGray]

*puzzled look* I'm still trying to figure out how Phoenix was able to touch me three times in the same day. :huh: :D

[mol]

*puzzled look* I'm still trying to figure out how Phoenix was able to touch me three times in the same day. :huh: :D

Thats a bug. It seems that while Admins use the same point system, we are currently not held to the 'How many times can you do this' rules. I am going to be rewriting the code to stop this. I want everyone to abide by the same rules. Plus, I am putting something extra in...

[Phoenix Blue]

I don't know why she's complaining, two times out of three they were positive. :p

[mol]

Thats a bug. It seems that while Admins use the same point system, we are currently not held to the 'How many times can you do this' rules. I am going to be rewriting the code to stop this. I want everyone to abide by the same rules. Plus, I am putting something extra in...

Admins are now...totally...using the same system as everyone else. I just saw my first, "You must spread some come Karma around..." message.

[Ben Trismegistus]

Information about the system can be found here:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?postid=477358&postcount=1

OK, but that still doesn't explain why one touch of karma resulted in 24 extra karma points for me.

It's not a big deal, I'm just curious. :)

[mol]

OK, but that still doesn't explain why one touch of karma resulted in 24 extra karma points for me.

It's not a big deal, I'm just curious. :)

Who touched you?

[mol]

It was Old Witch! No wonder. She has like 16000+ posts (16 points right there), and she has been here for quite a while, plus she has a few Karma points herself.

[Semele]

OK, but that still doesn't explain why one touch of karma resulted in 24 extra karma points for me.

It's not a big deal, I'm just curious. :)

Old Witch is uh..old! LOL!! I mean she has been here a long time and she has lots of posts..therefore she has lots of Karma points to sprean around! Be nice to her!

:fpraiseyo Old Witch!

[Old Witch]

Old Witch is uh..old! LOL!! I mean she has been here a long time and she has lots of posts..therefore she has lots of Karma points to sprean around! Be nice to her!

:fpraiseyo Old Witch!Uh........Thanks.......I think.........http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies/ponder.gif

Just kidding...I knew being old would account for something one day!!:lol:

[Wyrdsister]

Question: How do you check to see what your Karma is at? (both Points and Power)

Thanks!

Wyrdsister
:fprtyman2

[Rain Gnosis]

If you look in your "Profile" you can see the number there along with the points, people who have given them, and their comments. Click this (http://www.mysticwicks.com/faq.php?faq=vb_board_usage#faq_karma) for the karma power points FAQ.

P.S. thanks for the karma point, I've got 3 greenies! :D

[Morrighana]

I don't know about power, but your points are listed at the bottom when you click the profile button under the main banner.

Edit: You beat me to it, Rain! :D

[Ben Trismegistus]

It was Old Witch! No wonder. She has like 16000+ posts (16 points right there), and she has been here for quite a while, plus she has a few Karma points herself.

Aha! So the amount of points you have effects the number of points you bestow upon others.

Thanks!

[AmbivalentMirage]

She's like a karma-nator. Woohoo for Old Witch, Goddess of Karma Power Points! ;)

[mol]

Question: How do you check to see what your Karma is at? (both Points and Power)

Thanks!

Wyrdsister
:fprtyman2

You can also see how many Karma points a person has by hovering your mouse pointer over the little green/red/grey icons under their avatars in each post. I put it there so we could see the actual points.

[Old Witch]

http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/woot.gifI'm the Karmanator!!!

[mol]

Aha! So the amount of points you have effects the number of points you bestow upon others.

Thanks!

That is correct. Its not anywhere on the board since its assumed if you know how many posts you have and how many karma points you have and how long you have been here you can easily calculate how much power you have.

[mol]

http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/woot.gifI'm the Karmanator!!!

Actually, after doing some digging...if Flaire was using her old account she would be the Karminator. I think she would have around 35-37 power points. YIKES!

[AmbivalentMirage]

Actually, after doing some digging...if Flaire was using her old account she would be the Karminator. I think she would have around 35-37 power points. YIKES!
That's some karmatic power she had... WOW.

[Phoenix Blue]

"I used to be a highly-respected Watcher. Now I'm a wounded dwarf with the mystical power of a doily."

[Old Witch]

Actually, after doing some digging...if Flaire was using her old account she would be the Karminator. I think she would have around 35-37 power points. YIKES!

ShhhhhhhhhhI:lol:

[mol]

I have updated the Karma system. Now you can touch 10 different peoples Karma every 24 hours and regarding negative Karma.

Negative Karma is given with HALF of your power. So, lets say you have a power of 20, well then you would take 10 Karma points from someone. Now, the twist I added was this. Half of the ACTUAL Karma points taken from anyone will also be taken from you. So, in our situation of taking 10 points from someone, 5 points would be deducted from you. :)

[Ben Trismegistus]

Negative Karma is given with HALF of your power. So, lets say you have a power of 20, well then you would take 10 Karma points from someone. Now, the twist I added was this. Half of the ACTUAL Karma points taken from anyone will also be taken from you. So, in our situation of taking 10 points from someone, 5 points would be deducted from you. :)

Wowee Mol! The Wiccan Rede in action! *snicker*

But, in all fairness, shouldn't any negative karma you dole out be deducted three-fold from your own score? ;)

[mol]

Wowee Mol! The Wiccan Rede in action! *snicker*

But, in all fairness, shouldn't any negative karma you dole out be deducted three-fold from your own score? ;)

C'mon, we can't make it totally based on Wicca!

And I verified the code and touced a few people with bad Karma (old members who dont post anymore) and my Karma points did go down as I calculated. We are rolling now.

[Mithrea]

I have updated the Karma system. Now you can touch 10 different peoples Karma every 24 hours and regarding negative Karma.

Negative Karma is given with HALF of your power. So, lets say you have a power of 20, well then you would take 10 Karma points from someone. Now, the twist I added was this. Half of the ACTUAL Karma points taken from anyone will also be taken from you. So, in our situation of taking 10 points from someone, 5 points would be deducted from you. :)


:hmmmmm:

Okay but can you explain neutral karma to me? I got whapped by someone and the comment was good, but the button was grey and it took one point from me.

[Mnemosyne]

Ooohhh, I like the latest update to this system. It makes sense that negative power is given with 1/2 of one's own power.

[Scarlettvixen]

i know u told us that there is some method to figure out yr karma power but its too early in my morning to figure it out
please send me to the link!
i think i should have a bit of power?

[Rain Gnosis]

The Karma FAQ (http://www.mysticwicks.com/faq.php?faq=vb_board_usage#faq_karma) You can find the other thread on it, with the same answers, by clicking the first link down near the bottom of the page under "Related Threads".

[Mithrea]

:hmmmmm:

Okay but can you explain neutral karma to me? I got whapped by someone and the comment was good, but the button was grey and it took one point from me.


I give up!!! This is the third time I've asked this now. . .

[Tiarcana]

I think it's a pretty cool idea except for one thing... I took someone's point/s away with no intention of doing so and actually thought I was doing something good!

I hate to vote on this right now if there are still bugs in the system, but if I did something wrong, please let me know! As it stands, right now I will probably never "touch" again!

:wah2: -Tiarcana

[Mithrea]

Don't do that on my account Tiarcana. I just pm'd you back.

Mol -- We want to know what the hell neutral karma is!!!!! :lol:

[Daniel]

Go....it would be nice if we could all "play along nicely" but I have a feeling this just leaves far too much room for hard feelings, people who may not be able to take a joke as well as others..etc.Oh, I don't know. The system's pretty easy to ignore if you want, since your karmatic rating isn't blared at you all over the place. Maybe, if it was really that bad, the control panel could have a "Ignore Karma" button added to it.

Other than that, you just have to grow a thicker skin.

But..while it's still been here, I've been having fun with it ;)


... what if we erased the "negative karma" aspect, and just had "Good Karma" or "Bonus Karma" instead? I was thinking...when we see someone who is asking for energy, releasing a primal scream, ranting, or sharing something that is painful to them, we could just click on that handy dandy feature, and send them some "Bonus Karma" to brighten their day a little bit.I very firmly believe that there is no light without darkness, no day without night, no pleasure without pain.

If you don't have something to contrast against "it" (whatever "it" is), "it" will loose its meaning very quickly, no matter how good "it" seems on the surface.

I haven't found any exceptions to this very simple concept, and the Karma system is no exception.

[WillowSageheart]

Hey Mol... did you grow up Catholic? I notice you made it so no one can "touch" themselves! hahahaha

And no, I wasn't "touching" myself on purpose, I hit it the first time I saw it trying to figure out what it was.

[Morrighana]

I give up!!! This is the third time I've asked this now. . .

I think this thread is getting so much traffic posts are being missed by the folks in the know! lol

To your question, it is possible that the person just made an error, tho, and clicked the "I taketh away" button by accident, especially since people are still learning the system... *shrugs* I have no idea, but that's what I would assume...

[Phoenix Blue]

:) I think neutral karma is when someone tries to give you karma (positive or negative) but don't have enough karma themselves to have any real effect. In other words, their "karma power" is zero. That's just my theory, though.

[Mithrea]

:) I think neutral karma is when someone tries to give you karma (positive or negative) but don't have enough karma themselves to have any real effect. In other words, their "karma power" is zero. That's just my theory, though.

Except that it did take a point away. Thanks for answering PB :)

[mol]

Don't do that on my account Tiarcana. I just pm'd you back.

Mol -- We want to know what the hell neutral karma is!!!!! :lol:

It just means the person doesnt have any Karma power.

[mol]

Except that it did take a point away. Thanks for answering PB :)

I will review the code. Its possible that it could give or take 1 point under those circumstances, I think.

[Mithrea]

Then why did it take a point away? :fpoke:

[Mithrea]

I will review the code. Its possible that it could give or take 1 point under those circumstances, I think.

LOL okay. But people should know that then. She meant to give, not take away :)

[mol]

LOL okay. But people should know that then. She meant to give, not take away :)

Did she click the I Giveth button?

[Mithrea]

Did she click the I Giveth button?

Yes she did. She posted up there about it . . . her name is Tiarcana. Here is her post. It was a page back or so.


I think it's a pretty cool idea except for one thing... I took someone's point/s away with no intention of doing so and actually thought I was doing something good!

I hate to vote on this right now if there are still bugs in the system, but if I did something wrong, please let me know! As it stands, right now I will probably never "touch" again!

-Tiarcana

[mol]

Yes she did. She posted up there about it . . . her name is Tiarcana. Here is her post. It was a page back or so.

I will take a look at the code. It shouldn't have been a negative unless she accidentally clicked the wrong button.

[Mithrea]

I will take a look at the code. It shouldn't have been a negative unless she accidentally clicked the wrong button.


Okay then. :yourock:

[AmbivalentMirage]

Okay then. :yourock:
*borrows the sign and carries it around for a while, promoting his self-esteem*

[Morrighana]

I have updated the Karma system. Now you can touch 10 different peoples Karma every 24 hours and regarding negative Karma.

Negative Karma is given with HALF of your power. So, lets say you have a power of 20, well then you would take 10 Karma points from someone. Now, the twist I added was this. Half of the ACTUAL Karma points taken from anyone will also be taken from you. So, in our situation of taking 10 points from someone, 5 points would be deducted from you. :)

...how come the Karmic backlash only applies to negative Karma? Shouldn't it apply to all Karma dished out? Seems unbalanced.

heh...I'll stop complaining now, lol. :imout:

[Ben Trismegistus]

...how come the Karmic backlash only applies to negative Karma? Shouldn't it apply to all Karma dished out? Seems unbalanced.

Now there's an interesting idea. If karma always returns to you, should we get a few points of karma every time we touch someone else's?

[Rain Gnosis]

Doing nice things for people should be a reward in itself.

:)

[Ben Trismegistus]

Doing nice things for people should be a reward in itself.

:)

Easy for you to talk - you're the only one on the board with 3 green lozenges! :razz:

[Rain Gnosis]

I tried to give you good karma again but I can't again yet :)

[AmbivalentMirage]

This is starting to sound too much like MATH! :huh:

[Morrighana]

Doing nice things for people should be a reward in itself.

:)

...Then shouldn't doing 'mean' things (if giving Karma is being nice then taking it must be considered mean, right?) be punishment in itself? Hehehe maybe I just like splitting hairs and starting trouble.


This is starting to sound too much like MATH!

Only for Mol and his programs... lol :D

Anyway, I'm happy enough with the system the way it is, I'm just pointing out my observations ;)

[AmbivalentMirage]

*is in love with karma and Quick Message*

[~*Ginger*~]

Cool!
Kinda nice to reach out and touch someone!

[AmbivalentMirage]

Very much so! ^.^ It gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling.

[mol]

...how come the Karmic backlash only applies to negative Karma? Shouldn't it apply to all Karma dished out? Seems unbalanced.

heh...I'll stop complaining now, lol. :imout:

I could probably code that in. It seems only fair, except I only added the Negative backslash to deter peopel from handing out only negative Karma. You know...evetually they would run out of Karma points themselves.

[Morrighana]

I guess that would be a good deterrant, but couldn't there just be a limit to the amount of negative Karma, like the limit to giving Karma to the same person too much? Just a popup saying, like "You have to give some good Karma before you can take any!" or something?

It just seems entirely unbalanced that you are 'punished' for giving negative Karma (even if you have a legitimate reason for doing so) but you aren't 'rewarded' for giving positive. Also, by giving negative Karma to a person, even if you give it sparingly or in a non-vindictive manner, a lot of the time you'll end up doing more harm to yourself than that person could do to you...

It makes having the 'taketh away' radial a bit redundant if people are seemingly 'reprimanded' for using it. (I know that's not quite what's going on, but do you know what I mean?)

[mol]

On the same Token...lets say a person has a power of 20. Lets say we do it just like the Karmic backlash. In this instance, every time this person touched Karma positively they would earn 5 points for themselves. Thats 20 points a day and a level up on power every 2 days. That is unbalanced. Pretty soon everyone would be maxed on Karma points. I think it could be a hard coded value. Every time someone touches Karma positively then they earn 1 point for themselves.

[mol]

In fact, this is now coded in.

[Morrighana]

Yea, I can see how it could get outta hand if it were the same way as the negatives! Your idea definately makes more sense.

I'll stop complaining now, really I will. lol Thanks Mol! I didn't mean to be a pain in the butt ;)

[mol]

I'll stop complaining now, really I will. lol Thanks Mol! I didn't mean to be a pain in the butt ;)

It's no problem, you are no pain in the butt! Thanks for the ideas. :)

[Lucidia]

i think the karma points should match the board... LOL.

[mol]

i think the karma points should match the board... LOL.

Make something for me. Doesnt even have to be the same thing...just keep the size. :D

[Lucidia]

can i make it blink??!!?!?!?!? BLINKY KARMA!!!!!!

[Lucidia]

fun with karma points!

[Lucidia]

w00t!

[mol]

Rock on! Can you make em in red too...those are very cool.

[Lucidia]

the same as the current one.. cept it's BLUE!

[Lucidia]

here ya go...hmmm

[Lucidia]

the rest

[Lucidia]

w00t!

[Morrighana]

Ooh, those look great, Lucidia!

[WillowSageheart]

I like the karmaani's and the stars! I like all of them, but those are my favorites!

[mol]

Those are very cool! I dont know which ones to use.

[WillowSageheart]

Those are very cool! I dont know which ones to use.

Why not do a poll?

[mol]

Why not do a poll?
Ugh...another poll!? :)

That would probably be best.

[~*Ginger*~]

so just how many people can you reach out and "touch", before the sign comes up and tells ya to keep your hands to yourself? :lol:

ya just can't touch every body at one time...

[mol]

so just how many people can you reach out and "touch", before the sign comes up and tells ya to keep your hands to yourself? :lol:

ya just can't touch every body at one time...

10 people a day. :)

[Chibi-Fallon]

I was just thinking (it's an odd feeling) that maybe to make sure members who join a long time down the road know that it's a game to maybe change the alt tags to little goofy things. Like "so-and-so smells like a googly-eyed grapefruit." or "so-and-so has ears of cheese." Or just odd random crazy things. That's just my little idea.