The sleeping mind

[NightBathen]

How is it that all the written works by those famed and universaly accepted in our not so close-nit philosophical circles never dare to truly touch on the depth and truly magnificently powerfull energy associated with dream magic. Buckland, Cunningham, Grey, Amberwolf all share a common style of teaching. They all stay away from this topic.
Why is it so difficult to find a good read on opening your akoshic records, or errecting an astral temple. For those few of us that find it absolutely impossible to astraly prodject unless fast asleep, I know we will all agree that a few pointers when it comes to becoming aware while asleep, and not just letting the dream ride would be a great emotional relief in regaurds to waking up and saying "Shit, why do I wake up every time I take complete control."
I am well rounded in occult knowledge; atleast that is what my anima would like to believe. But for someone loke me, the science and the philosophy of the occult come much, much easier than the practice of such studies.
However once my eyes close, and my active mind shuts down, I am a psyck bombshell. I just need the discipline to really harness it.
Anyone with any knowledge or pretence to this instantly has my complete undivided attention. I have seen socalled real witches, and at one time I considered myself one. But playing the part is so much more common than those who break out the broom to sweep thrice a week.
My ears are open to any who can enlighten me on this. I have seen the power of dreams, as a true testiment to the power of witchcraft, it speaks to me, and right now I feel quite powerless tom answer it.
- Jack

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Where do you want to start?

Myrddyn Emrys

[Chrystiona]

I keep a dream diary beside my bed - have done so off and on for almost 15 years. I practiced lucid dreaming - and practiced and practiced and practiced - and for me it isn;t an exact science - and there are many nights when I wish to work in my dreams but don't. But those nights that I am aware while asleep are well worth the effort - they are fantastic. I started by keeping a record of my dreams, and writing a statement of intent before falling asleep. I am not sure if that will help you at all or not, but it seemed to do the trick for me. :)

[NightBathen]

let us start at the beginning and finish at the end :)

[Rain Gnosis]

Fascinating subject, thanks for bringing it up. This is one area wherein I am extremely far behind so I'm interested to see where this thread goes.

[indigo rain]

how to become aware in a dream state? for me, this little trick does it nicely. :) i don't remember where i read it... anyway, make a habit of asking yourself the question, "am i awake or dreaming?" ask it often, and as habits practiced in the waking world tend to do, it will show up in your dream. you'll ask yourself if you're awake or dreaming in your dream and then realize you're dreaming. this lets you take control. i almost always know when i'm dreaming now and can turn it into a lucid dream.

[NightBathen]

I am to understand that the easiest way to communicate with the sub and super is to relate symbols to it. For example if you were to access your Akoshic records you would visualize a book on an alter with the symbol for infinity on it. To begin errecting an astral temple visualize a block of stone and masons tools. These are what is known as astral doorways. these thoughtforms create paths to other places. One way I was told to find your spirit watcher or astral guardian, some may go as far as to say astral tutor or eaven a guardian angel is to bring yourself to a bus stop, sit on the bench and wait for someone to arive. This person will be another traveler either looking for you or just passing by. Common sense comes into play here becouse it may not always be a posative energy that visits you. For a long time one of my lucid teachers took the shape of Freddy Krouger. He was a very powerfull force in my dreams that led me to many breakthroughs. At the same time I do not believe he was walking me on a posative path. My problem now is that I cannot find another to help me and the fact that I have become more aware of the nature of this relationship I am instantly thrown awake the moment he enters my dreams. This is one area I definately could use some advice on.

[Chrystiona]

that's a tough one - are you afraid of him ? or disturbed by him now ? it seems strange that this presence would cause you to wake up now...... (?)

****** *re a previous post :) about lucid dreaming*** the asking yourself each and every day all the time AM I DREAMING has never been my route to lucidity - because I just started asking myself if I was dreaming in my dreams and would still not be incontrol. I hear that that method seems to be the most direct route though. For me it was concentrating each and every night on flying in my dreams - and I would realize while I was flying that I was dreaming because of the fact that it is just not possible to fly ........ i guess there are many differnet ways for many different people ! :)

[Rain Gnosis]

I find when I realize I'm dreaming I can't help but wake up. I think "oh I'm dreaming" and my mind comes awake, regardless of what I do.

[Chrystiona]

I find when I realize I'm dreaming I can't help but wake up. I think "oh I'm dreaming" and my mind comes awake, regardless of what I do.Rain I was like that for a long while too - I think I was so excited that I would wake up. IT eventually goes away though.

I know this sounds strange but I think that it works better when you are active - right now I am a 4th year university student and not very physically active. (too busy) and I find that my sleep is often compromised - too short so I sleep very deeply and its more difficult to find that "spot" in my dreams. (not to mention stress so sleep is my much needed downtime) When I was exercising a lot more, and had more space in my life for more reflection / meditation and I was generally more healthy - it was then that I could live consciously in my dreams. I am not sure if this is a collective experience, but for me it seems to work that way !

[NightBathen]

Well not really either I guess, the proscess of calling to him was first becoming aware, then screaming out his name at the top of my lung. Everything would go slow motion and I wouldnt be able to speak, I would feel the fabric of the dreams reality shift into a sacred place, surging with power, I never feared him, but I was intimidated by the place I was in, everything got darker, quieter.
I could hear and feel many others around me watching. Then there would be a small test. Usually a physical confrontation. After I beat the snot out of him or I outsmarted him, we would be free to work as we pleasede until I awoke. One thing I did notice is that there would always be many extra unexplored rooms in my astral temple that I hadnt created intentionally when he was around. Now I just call to him confidently, and the fabric starts to shift again, but into somthing that feels like I am inside myself if that makes any sense. I immediately wake up.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Let's start with how you are doing things now, need a basis to go from.

Myrddyn Emrys

[NightBathen]

well, thats just it, Im not doing anything now. When I am aware, there is very little I can think to do but prodject myself to other places and visit others that I am so far away from. Only problem is, I end up getting lost on the way most of the time. Freddy was a very powerfull tutor, and he gave me a gift also. It sounds stupid, but he gave me his razor glove thing, when I wore it, I could do just about anything I wanted, it was like borrowing Merlin's wand. I am afraid that a lot of what I worked with was based on the fact that I had that glove as a tool. Now I cant get it because when I summon him, I wake up. I had a conversation with Toad and Rain in the use of symbols in ritual sorcery, I guess I myself had become dependant on one. Now I have no key to my Lexus. But was it a real tool or just a symbol of confidance(the victory over my tutor)

[Xentor]

I've never tried lucid dreaming. I've had some dreams where I was very much aware of the fact that I was dreaming, but I never really tried to control dreams.

Why would one want to do that?

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Do you mean you are getting lost going to the people you are trying to visit, or getting lost coming back to you ?

I have some ideas for you to try, but we have to be clear on all the basics first.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Chrystiona]

have you ever tried making your own glove ?
I would try drawing it before I go to sleep and then concentrating on having your own if that is the only tool that seems to work for you.
?

[Rain Gnosis]

Rain I was like that for a long while too - I think I was so excited that I would wake up. IT eventually goes away though.

Well, when I was a kid, I had some recurrent nightmares, or I could sense a "bad vibe" in the dream, so I taught myself to wake up. Now I can't seem to help but wake up when I sense I'm dreaming, maybe just because I trained myself to do it.

The funny thing is early this morning I was dreaming of looking for a washroom (I always know I'm dreaming when I'm looking for a washroom and can't find one) and thought "oh yeah, I just remembered, I'm supposed to ask myself 'am I dreaming' all the time.. so am I dreaming?.... nope, I'm not, I've found a washroom". I *did* find a washroom, but it was crowded and I couldn't use it, but it never occurred to me to go back to realizing I was dreaming :lol:

[Chrystiona]

The funny thing is early this morning I was dreaming of looking for a washroom (I always know I'm dreaming when I'm looking for a washroom and can't find one) and thought "oh yeah, I just remembered, I'm supposed to ask myself 'am I dreaming' all the time.. so am I dreaming?.... nope, I'm not, I've found a washroom". I *did* find a washroom, but it was crowded and I couldn't use it, but it never occurred to me to go back to realizing I was dreaming :lol:LOL LOLL LOL LOL
I am laughing because the the same thing has happened to me (*blush*) although it wasn't quite as friendly. I asked myself am I dreaming ? I said no. I found a washroom in my dreams - and , well, remember when you were little and you were dreaming that you were in the washroom but weren't ? *blush*
this happened about 2 years ago. I did catch myself - so it wasn't a total catastrophe but I did almost wet my bed at 26. It is pretty crazy how dreams work and how real they can be. I have been doing dreamwork for years and sometimes it catches me off guard. I actually had a FANTASTIC dream because I said in my dream "If I were dreaming this water wouldn't feel so real and I wouldn't be able to taste or smell things" and because of that I was able to use all my senses and have a VIVID experience and the memory is as real as any "real-life" memory that I have. It was the best dream I've ever had because I wasn't in control - I thought I really was in another place. I realized that it wasn;t the real world but at the same time I thought it had to be real because it was so vivid. I love dreaming. :)
thanks for the memories. :) lol. chrys

[Chrystiona]

I've never tried lucid dreaming. I've had some dreams where I was very much aware of the fact that I was dreaming, but I never really tried to control dreams.

Why would one want to do that?

hi there Xentor. Some people believe that by being a very good lucid dreamer you can access many things - (akoshic records, astral projection, OBEs, communication with others, etc. etc. etc.) The few minutes between awake state and asleep state are supposed to be the moments when we are the most psychic,(do you ever have those fleeting abstract images just before you fall asleep ?) the most intuitive and open to alternate forms of communication. By lucid dreaming you maintain this state for more than a few moments. *PLUS* its an added bonus to say I WANT TO FLY and you just DO IT ! :) YEAH ! that's what got me started. just wanting to fly in my dreams. :) I always have had TERRIBLE nightmares and it was also a way to take control and not be so terrified and affected by my nightmares.
chrys

[Xentor]

I did a search for akoshic records since I saw SpiritualLumberjack use the term, but apart from a science-fiction novell, this didn't prove fruitful. What are akoshic records, and why would you want to access them?

Astral projection, that's something I do know and have done. So that could be done through lucid dreaming as well. Must give it a try, perhaps it's easier while dreaming than while meditating.

Communication with others... I feel a bit sceptic about that. My own scepticism strikes me as odd, since I do accept astral projection. Perhaps a lack of experience in this matter.

Flying... I already fly in my dreams. That would be one very sound situation of which to recognise dream state. Possibly a handle for me to snap into lucidity.

Nightmares are supposed to be terrible, aren't they? That's why they're called nightmares. (The kaballah book I just read mentions the hebrew word "mareh" as a nightly vision, given by the god(s) but usually so devestating a normal person couldn't handle it.) Lucid dreaming gave you a way of control so the nightmare wouldn't be as terrifying. Must try it.

Thanks for the insight, Chrystiona!

[Rain Gnosis]

LOL LOLL LOL LOL
I said no. I found a washroom in my dreams - and , well, remember when you were little and you were dreaming that you were in the washroom but weren't ? *blush*
this happened about 2 years ago. I did catch myself - so it wasn't a total catastrophe but I did almost wet my bed at 26

*grins* Yep, I haven't wet my bed either, but that's exactly why I dream about looking for a washroom. Even if I find one for some reason I can't use it (thank the gods!), the bathroom's a mess, or crowded, or open, or the toilet's overflowing, etc. You know the ickiest bathroom you've had to go in? That'll be the one I dream of.

[Rain Gnosis]

I did a search for akoshic records since I saw SpiritualLumberjack use the term, but apart from a science-fiction novell, this didn't prove fruitful. What are akoshic records, and why would you want to access them?

Acutally they're akashic records, spelling it that way might make your search easier. Many people believe the Akashic Records are a storage bank on the astral that provide all the answers to our histories, our present, and our future, all our past lives, etc. etc. They are also thought of as the collective unconscious.

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/akashic_records.htm
and search - http://www.google.com/search?q=akashic%20records

[NightBathen]

Rain,

Do you dream much?

[Xentor]

Many people believe the Akashic Records are a storage bank on the astral that provide all the answers to our histories, our present, and our future, all our past lives, etc. etc. They are also thought of as the collective unconscious.

Thanks, Rain. I seem to have a bit of Akashic Record philosophy in my own religion, although we never used that term. This makes sense to me, and also explains why one would use lucid dreaming as a method to read them.

[Rain Gnosis]

I guess I dream as much as anyone. I remember dreams off and on - sometimes I remember 3 a night, sometimes I don't remember any for awhile. This morning, just before I woke up, I dreamt there were objects on fire that I kept having to try to put out/get out of the house to stop the house starting on fire. Everyone around me was oblivious, and my mom was playing on a game system while my brother's gf was yammering away

heh :D

[NightBathen]

I am like totally stupid today, I was going to post another reply here but I did it in " meditation discussions month one" one of toads threads. My illiterate feebleness doesnt know how to just put a link here for you guys to get to it fast, so anyone still interested in the dream stuff, just go there for my dream. or post the link for me please. I need to take a class or something like pc for idiots :collapse:

[Xentor]

You're hardly an idiot, Jack. After all, you know how to post here, which already is a fairly advanced use of computer and internet technology.

Linking to other posts isn't exactly easy... But you can repost your dream here and delete your own erroneous post in the other thread. (Find your post, hit "Edit" in the line immediately following it, and follow the deletion instruction.)

[NightBathen]

Ok, we have gotten off the topic here a little. Now I would really like to keep this going. Any knowledge whatsoever in this field of practice,

:ringaroun
Let us throw it together. There is a wealth of people here who know a little something, if it can be consolidated, then we can know a whole bunch of little somethings.