Scanning.

[9-2-2]

I remember several months back, when my fiance and I were staying with a relative. One day, I sensed a mind-rending static charge going around Wichita (my city). After a bit of scrying, I painfully learned that some idiots in another city were doing a sloppy job of long-range scanning... they had sent a psychic body down to take a look around.

Thanks to their shitty job, several of my Wiccan friends and myself got migraines. Only my fiance and his best friend (both magicians) successfully shielded themselves from the idiocy.

What I want to know is, why the hell would a group of magicians do a sloppy job of a scan, and not take the time to refine the energy they used? A couple of psychics and myself had half the mind to send them a nice blast back, but I spent the rest of the night vomiting from the migraine and complaining about the pain.

Maybe it was a magickal fumble? I haven't had many fumbles since I started... but there's been craploads of scanning coming from Manhattan, KS. I haven't been able to figure out who it is. It's been bugging me... like someone's trying to root out all the magicians in Wichita.

Several readings and scryings indicate it's coming from a potentially hostile source, but from what I could tell, they're pathetically weak.

Any advice? Suggestions?

[Rick]

Scanning? Coming from Manhattan, KS? Probably some fraternity prank, aimed at Wichita State... is that KU or K State up there in the Little Apple?

[9-2-2]

I don't know, but I suspect it may be coming from a circle of Cermeonialists from JobCorps, like the Masons or something...

[Rick]

*shudders* Nothing scares me more than Kansan Ceremonialists from JobCorps (except toasters)... glad their range doesn't reach this far south... hey, could you send me some of that really great beef jerky made by the Amish folks over at Yoder?

[9-2-2]

Only under the existing conditions:

1) You tell me where Yoder is.
2) I get gas $ compensation, since I'm a poor bitch...
3) The jerky is paid for, cause I want some too... :p

[Rain Gnosis]

You realize not everyone is as experienced with energy and creating entities yes? There's a very good possibility people just didn't know what they were doing. I certainly couldn't do a good job of that :)

[9-2-2]

If they were inexperienced and didn't know what they were doing, then how did they:

1) Send a static charge through the city of Wichita of migraine proportions?
2) Perform said scanning for 10 hours?
3) Dig up enough energy to even perform such an epic feat?

I may underestimate the inexperienced too much, but I consider those relatively new to magick - or those who don't work magick frequently - to have a great deal of trouble with doing this sort of thing, for an extended period of time. Hell, I can't even astrally project, and I've been practicing for 3 years, going on 4. I've been working my butt off, but astral is not my area.

I think it's a more experienced group. As I've said, there's been a LOT of frequent scanning coming from the same city over 90 miles away. I don't think an inexperienced practitioner or even a group would have a reason to come scanning down here every week or so.

A single mistake is not going to send ripples throughout the state. Otherwise, imagine the horror of their power if they did things right!! A person with that much energy will draw psychic eyes. And the only thing my eyes have been drawn to lately are a hot cup of green tea (I've been terribly and annoyingly ill).

The most experienced Pagans and magicians I know say that the majority of people who don't know what they're doing can only generate local effects at short distances. The inexperienced have set up psychological and psychic blocks, tricking themselves into thinking space has meaning. I can even glean this from my own experiences with magick. I've recently gotten over this block (recent being last year) by temporarily healing someone's ulcer in Chicago.

Yes, I'm aware that not everyone is skilled with making entities. But I'm aware that the people in question about the static body thing are skilled with said making of entities.

[Rain Gnosis]

I may underestimate the inexperienced too much, but I consider those relatively new to magick - or those who don't work magick frequently - to have a great deal of trouble with doing this sort of thing, for an extended period of time.

Uh, if you fire off a bazooka without being able to aim chances are you're still gonna blow the hell out of something. I think there's absolutely room for major error even if you're inexperienced. There's even room for "well we weren't intending to send negative energy, but since we're such powerful projectors the fact that nasty stuff was going on in our life was broadcasted" (had that happen to me before).

That said, if you do assume they did it intentionally (as you seem to explain now, unless I'm misunderstanding) then you have your answer - they did it intentionally, maybe to annoy people, maybe because they were bored, maybe they meant to target at one person, maybe they don't like you, maybe because they wanted to see if they could. As to motivation, I guess you'll have to ask them.

Edit -
One day, I sensed a mind-rending static charge going around Wichita (my city). After a bit of scrying, I painfully learned that some idiots in another city were doing a sloppy job of long-range scanning...
...
Maybe it was a magickal fumble? I haven't had many fumbles since I started... but there's been craploads of scanning coming from Manhattan, KS.

Sorry, I think I must be misunderstanding you or misreading or just generally being slow. I read this as saying there was static given off because someone was scanning, and that you were asking if maybe they just screwed things up.

I tend to find it's better to err on the side of giving the other person the benefit of the doubt. Then again, I've never experienced any reason to suspect groups of targeting other groups - it all sounds kind of surreal in my little world. Then again, I have a limited experience. If there is something going on, what can be done but the normal shielding?

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Sounds to me as if you ( and some of your friends) really need to work on your shielding...

Just so you know, this is not just isolated to you. I know others, including myself, who have been targets of this "ferreting".

Myrddyn Emrys

[9-2-2]

Look. I'm not trying to be rude here, but NO ONE is contributing to the question. I am trying to FIND who's doing it, WHY they're doing it, and find ways to stop them. I am this close to sending back a psychic blast so that I can go through ONE week without a migraine, so that I can sleep a dreamless sleep at night.
Furthermore, I'm not shelling out the gas money I don't have to take a ridiculous 180 mile round trip in a car that's falling apart. I'm tied up enough as it is paying bills. So, I'll be clearer with this situation:

1) Weirdos are sending migraine-inducing scans down to Wichita for some stupid reason or another. This occurs every week.
2) I am not strong enough to effectively shield myself from the jackhammering of the static bodies. I know that the immediate reply to this is "practice making better shields," but I'm looking for an answer that's more immediate than several years of practice.
3) Nothing within my power is going to make it nice and simple. With the migraines, and my newly gained illness, it's getting harder and harder to concentrate. I have to constantly remind myself that I'm still a sentient, thinking being.

I'm simply seeking out people who have dealt with this kind of thing before, even if it's only a vaguely similar experience. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I'm incredibly frustrated and miserable with being sensitive enough to get freqeunt headaches, and do nothing about it. I KNOW they are NOT inexperienced. Everyone else here has done their bit of scrying, and they say the culprits are experienced. I am not naive enough to believe that someone who has just stepped into the world of magick can immediately give a city migraine headaches for 10 consecutive hours, or whip up tornados at a moment's notice. This is an experienced magician, possibly a group, working from afar, and they seem to have an intent that extends beyond wasting their energy to annoy people.

On a lighter note, Myrddyn mentioned ferreting. Some askance for future advice... if one is a target of said ferreting, how do you block it, or cloak yourself? Maybe this may help in some odd, convoluted way against the static crap.

And before you ask, the headaches aren't a medical condition.

[Sequoia]

I'm getting a migraine just reading this.

Listen, sweetie. Work on your shielding. Ignore the morons doing it, if it's even people who are doing this "static charge" thing. Sometimes this stuff is naturally occuring, and if you cannot even trace it back to a certain person (or people), perhaps it's time to move, get used to it, or give it time to fade back. Weird shiat happens all the time. It's life when you're sensitive. (BTW, have you tried tracing it back to it's source? If so, and it's people, why not send a friendly "Please stop that" sort of psychic message, since you seem to know enough about these things to do so.)

And speaking from personal experience, a lot of these strange happenings from "other people or entities" tends to be. . . I don't know. A kind of group placebo effect, or the misunderstanding of common occurances. I'm not saying it's a weather balloon, and for all I know it could be something genuine. But 90% of the time, if you leave it alone, pretend it isn't there, it goes away. If you pay attention to it, let it get to you, you become obcessed and it's there constantly and it drives you insane. Kind of like a big psychic mosquito bite.

My best advice would be to work on your own shielding and grounding, maybe put up a shield or something similar around your bed at night when you sleep. Worst comes to worst, take some excedrin when you go to bed. Try not to think about it. It'll disappear right soon enough.

Good luck, hon. You're going to need it.

[Lunacie]

Hmmm, and here I've been blaming my migraines on barometric changes. Okay, admittedly I haven't been looking for anything weird going on metaphysically, but I haven't felt anything weird either. And no one else in my small circle has reported any strange vibes like you're talking about. Most of us are located on the southwest side of the town.

Still, I'm not saying it's all in your imagination either. About 10 years ago there was a group at the college in Lawrence who were trying some energy stuff. I lived in Hutchinson at the time so they had some range going on there. Every so often we would feel someone "scanning" from different locations around the state. Generally it was either a new group trying their wings, or someone who just wanted to keep keep track of the energy flows.

Once three newbies from another local group decided to play with energy. They latched onto my energy and began draining me. We traced the flow back to them and my ex sent them a warning. The next day he contacted their HPS and she apparently had a talk with them about the difference between using universal energy and stealing personal energy. Even with a responsible person leading the group, some members will try things like this.

Since you seem to be so sure of the location and general identity of these "scanners", maybe a bit of research would get you a contact person that you could have a word with. Another idea would be to email someone in one of the local groups around Manhattan (you can get that info from WitchVox.com) and ask them if they are aware of anyone in their area doing this kind of energy work. And of course the most basic thing you can do is to buff up your shields and mirror the scans back to the source. This lets them know that someone is aware of what they're doing and blocks them from the info or energy they are seeking.

[Lunacie]

Oh yeah, and Yoder is about 45 miles northwest of Wichita on K96. Seems like I only go through there on Sundays when nothing is open. It's gotten very touristy for an itty-bitty Amish community, several new shops have opened over the last year.

[9-2-2]

People don't seem to be listening to the fact that I have been unsuccessful with shielding and ignoring, but that's all right. I'll just drop it here. :)

The best I can do is pester my friends down here to help me. Act like the leech I am, or whatever.

Blessed be, guys.

Lunacie - I'm currently in S. Wichita, used to be East. ;)

[Phoenix Blue]

People don't seem to be listening to the fact that I have been unsuccessful with shielding and ignoring, but that's all right. I'll just drop it here. ;)
So keep trying? :p And do let us know what happens.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

If your current method of shielding is not working, then it is time to try a new method.

One of the most important things that a lot of people forget is that what works for them, just might not be effective for someone else. Sure, your current method may work to an extent, but it is obviosly not the right method for you. Ask questions of people here on how they shield. Mayhap you'll find a better method for yourself.

As to the other part...

Have you ever concidered that the "schoolyard bully" might just be testing the competition for "king of the hill"?

Myrddyn Emrys

[Lunacie]

Yes, 9-2-2, I did 'hear' that your attempts at shielding haven't been all that successful. It's still the best answer any of us can come up with. Sorry we don't have a magic bullet for you. I remember quite a few discussions here on shielding, especially in the 'Bunker' thread. Click on the 'search' button at the top of the page, type in 'shielding' and see if you can find any techniques that you haven't tried.

If you want to talk with me, send me a PM or an e-mail (Lunacie@cox.net). It's been a while since I've done much on the Astral plane, but if you're free in the evenings maybe we could meet at BK for a coke and talk about things.

[Rick]

...or meet in Yoder for jerky & cinnamon rolls (mmmmmmmmm) so you can send me some... just watch out for those crazy Amish kids drivin' their buggies hell bent for election... saw one nearly tip over there once...

9-2-2, check the Practical Rune Magic thread stuck at the top of this forum... either #5 or #6, can't remember off the top of my head... or use a thorngarth... or use a mirror spell... or kick ass & take names & let Odin & the Valkyries sort 'em out later...

Edited to add: ...but it occurs to me that if this person/group/entity/phenomenon is too powerful to shield or block out, it's probably too powerful to kick it's ass & take it's name...

[Lunacie]

[QUOTE=Rick]...or meet in Yoder for jerky & cinnamon rolls (mmmmmmmmm) so you can send me some...
QUOTE]

Yo, Rick, knock it off already. You're making me hungry and I just finished eating supper. :lol:

Sounds like you may have to come on up this way and do your own shopping. Though I might be interested in riding along with you for the last little ways. I'm right off I235 so it wouldn't even be out of your way. ;)

[Rain Gnosis]

Edited to add: ...but it occurs to me that if this person/group/entity/phenomenon is too powerful to shield or block out, it's probably too powerful to kick it's ass & take it's name...

Yep. Presumably if one isn't strong enough to shield against the group one is only going to get their ass whupped by trying to retaliate against them. At least, that's how I would feel were I in the situation. :)

[Calzaer]

If they were inexperienced and didn't know what they were doing, then how did they:
1) Send a static charge through the city of Wichita of migraine proportions?
2) Perform said scanning for 10 hours?
3) Dig up enough energy to even perform such an epic feat?

You'd be surprised what you can do when you don't know it's impossible. :) I've performed my fair share of monumental blunders like that. I think the biggest was snapping someone out-of-phase with reality and then back in, while trying to fix a headache.

I sorta failed at curing the headache, too.

Of course, now I know that's, like, a third-degree feat and shouldn't even be theoretically possible for someone of as little training or knowledge as I had at the time, and I sure as hell couldn't reproduce it. Yikes.

[Twig]

Scanning. I am so damn tired of that word. While a lot of you may think that it's all a load of crap well, it isn't.

922-sorry I missed you. i know what you are talking about. Last month someone did it to me and a group of people I have contact with. I won't go into detail but after a month I am just now feeling somewhat whole again after the energy expended in "defusing" what happened that day. I did gain a couple of insights I'll share though.

1. Distance is not a factor. The energy is unlike say... a radio wave, its' strength is not dependant on the laws of physics for it is not of mans origin.

2. A little knowledge is a VERY dangerous thing.

3. Your problem is that you are not matching the frenquency of the scan. THAT is the key to understanding how to stop it, and the headaches. I actually did throw up at the end of the day from the stress because the person performing was Very well versed in what he was doing.

YOU need a Gatekeeper my Friend. They are the people that do "diminsional clean-ups" and take the task of dealing with those that would take advantage of and misuse the spiritual gifts given them or are so new that they cannot control what they unleash. Otherkin have a number of gatekeepers among them from what I've learned. Unfortunatly I am not yet up to that task. I am still recuperating from what I had to weave to undo the mischief Those scans created..

Good luck.

Peace,
Twig
:elf:

[Theres]

excuse me, but...

the ONLY tangible fact we have here is that 9-2-2 has weekly migraines, right?
so what is there in the relm of this thread that suggests anything other than Midrin and a good nights sleep?

yeah, it could be aliens or ghosts or creative students with to much disposable time. but it could also be a new microwave tower in the neighborhood, or a recently altered food additive.
i know that's not nearly as 'mysterious' or fun, but... :goodgrief:

[9-2-2]

excuse me, but...

the ONLY tangible fact we have here is that 9-2-2 has weekly migraines, right?
so what is there in the relm of this thread that suggests anything other than Midrin and a good nights sleep?

:rolleyes: Hmm, migraine medicine! What a new concept... sorry friend, been there, done that. Ain't helping. I'm looking for helpful replies, not easy answers. :p

Twig: What on Earth are you talking about, gatekeepers and frequencies? I understand that scanning can be done... in fact, a lot of weird crap goes on behind people's backs, whether they believe it or not. But I've never heard of the gatekeeper / frequency stuff... care to explain?

[Myrddyn Emrys]

To elaborate a little on what Twig said;

EVERYTHING in this Universe operates at its own frequecy (also known as wavelength). Examples are sound, light, and ENERGY.

When you get two frequencies matching, they CANCEL EACH OTHER.

You need to "feel" the frequency they are on, and do your damndest to try and match that frequency, just as if you were trying to "sing along" with someone. It isn't really all that hard, a couple attempts and I'm sure you'll have it. It won't hide you, persay, from them, as it will create a dead spot where you are, but you won't have to suffer. You don't even have to match the power level they are using, just the frequency.

As to the Gatekeeper, well, I'm going to let my esteemed Brother (Twig) explain that part. I can do that myself, but have never been able to teach it well.

The easiest way to sum all tis up is that we ARE being catalogued. By whom, for what, is not fully known, but it is occuring.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Myrddyn Emrys]

The ONLY place they haven't been able to reach me is out to my property. My house out there is situated on Dragon Lines!

Myrddyn Emrys

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Have to disagree with you here. Too much first-hand experience, and too many people having the same thing go on.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Mistiblue]

I hate to be a totaly Nood-nook here,...but what the heck is "scanning"? I have not heard of that before. :wtf:

[Calzaer]

When you get two frequencies matching, they CANCEL EACH OTHER.

Actually, two identical frequencies intersecting will have the result of doubling the amplitude. It's called "constructive interference". In order to cancel out a wave, you need "destructive interference", which is a frequency that mirrors the original (ie, your frequency has a "down" wave where the other one has an "up" wave).

There is a system in quantum physics where the waves behave exactly as Myrddyn Emrys originally described (matching frequencies cancel rather than amplify), and that might be applicable, but I have to run to class and can't look it up right now.

[DanuMoonrunner]

We've been feeling a "pull" up here in Northwest KS the last few weeks as well. It hasn't been enough to really worry about, just someone invading my dreams and occasionally usurping energies. I wouldn't have though anything about except that we spent the weekend at my daughters' houses in NE and it was the first time I've slept through the night in awhile. Maybe we should try to find who's to blame, but it just hasn't bothered me that much and I don't know what to do about it. Could just be a weird energy pattern randomly drifting through the state. The weather has been very strange!

[9-2-2]

I hate to be a totaly Nood-nook here,...but what the heck is "scanning"? I have not heard of that before. :wtf:

As far as I know, scanning is a form of searching. There's an infinite number of ways to do it. One method is to send out a certain signal, and if someone matches that signal, they'll "ping"... crappy description, but the best way I can describe it. You can also make a psychic body to look around, but they're highly annoying - and in my case, painful. You can also use empathy for scanning, but it's only reliable in person... you can make decisions based on someone's emotional waves, state of mind, and crap like that.

I'll give the frequency thing a shot. If that doesn't work, I'll exchange brains with someone. :braindrai

[Myrddyn Emrys]

I hate to be a totaly Nood-nook here,...but what the heck is "scanning"? I have not heard of that before. :wtf:
Scanning is somewhat like astral projection, but you are sending energy out to find, help, or even harm someone, or even combinations of those. It can be done in groups, or by individuals. It has several beneficial uses, such as locating a lost loved one, sending energy to aide a sick friend. It can also be used to find others who are "adept", testing their defenses, pinpointing their location, and discerning the 'frequency" they personally use.

No nood-nooks here! Remember, the only stupid question is the one not asked!

Myrddyn Emrys

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Okay, it was 4am when I wrote the post I forgot to put in the part about the mirror image part! OOPS! Not nitpick, I boobooed!

Thank you! But, that's what we do here, aide each other! Right?

Myrddyn Emrys

[Theres]

:rolleyes: Hmm, migraine medicine! What a new concept... sorry friend, been there, done that. Ain't helping. I'm looking for helpful replies, not easy answers. :p


not trying to provide any answers here, just trying to understand the question. and the medication was not the point of my post.

my question is why must all this supernatural stuff be applied to what is really only been described as medical situation?
"my headaches won't go away, therefore there must be a portal open to another dimension"...?

excuse my skepticism, but when my back hurts and the vicodin is not working, i don't immediately jump to the assumption that there must be a Demon wrapped around my spine!

[Mistiblue]

Ahhhh,.. Thanks for the explaination. Now it all makes more sense. I just never knew it was called scanning or that it could have harmful effects to send out energy for a specific purpose....unless of course it is meant to be harmful and then I thought it would only cause discomfort to the one intended to receive it. Guess I still have a bit to learn.

Thanks again. :)

[Calzaer]

9-2-2 said:
You can also use empathy for scanning, but it's only reliable in person

As much flak as I'm going to get for this, that's not entirely true. I may be odd, but the internet seems to be the best conductor of empathy-readably emotions outside of direct line-of-sight contact. When you have a collective universe that really only exists in the minds of the participants, the effect is such that you may as well be standing in someone else's head.

Myrddyn Emrys said:
Okay, it was 4am when I wrote the post I forgot to put in the part about the mirror image part! OOPS! Not nitpick, I boobooed!
Thank you! But, that's what we do here, aide each other! Right?

I knew what you were going for, and I figured everyone else probably did to. I just put up the nitpick because I'm anal like that. :)

[Myrddyn Emrys]

It's ok by me, the world needs skeptics.

But, can you be skeptic enough to discount several accounts of extremely similar unrelated incidents? Both Twig and myself have had incidents such as this, on more than one occation for each of us. I have the occational sinus triggered migrane from allergies and the difference between the two types of pain would be equivalent to comparing the sensation of a toothache to a broken finger. The difference is clearly discernable.

I do also understand if you are the type of individual who has had little to no contact with the metaphysical aspects in Druidry or Paganism in general. I know many people who are dubious of such things because of lack of contact with saidsame, or lack of ability to touch saidsame yourself. Nothing wrong with that. But there is also the factor of respecting anothers beliefs, which is a tenet of this entire forum.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Rain Gnosis]

But, can you be skeptic enough to discount several accounts of extremely similar unrelated incidents?

I don't think the point was even that one doesn't believe such incidents can occur, but that there is a whole lot of room for mundane reasoning as well which might've been overlooked. In other words, it's not that one can't scan, but that perhaps mundane reasons should be considered as strongly as supernatural.

Personally I don't think it's impossible, I just don't know it to be a common thing and have seen people hurt themselves by assuming such things, so my first instinct is to say "but, maybe...". *shrugs*

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Mundane reasoning can be applied to a lot of things that occur in Druidry or Paganism. I thnk what this whole debate boils down to is basically Greenman seems to be on one end of the spectrum and I am on the other. He seems to want to find the logical, scientific, cause behind this. Supposedly not having it happen to him personally, he may feel this is the answer. Myself, on the other hand, who has had this really uncomfortable experience first-hand, know that there is not a mundane justification for it. I'm fine with this. We need both types of people in the world like this. Even this forum needs its share of Muldurs and Scullys. Diversity in Co-existance, that is what makes Paganism so wonderful.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Sequoia]

Not sure where I'd fall in the Mulder-Scully spectrum. As a child, I was 100% science. Then, with a new relationship and new (if somewhat forced) view on the world, I used to believe in a great deal of things, whole-heartedly. And then everything became ghosts jumping out from behind trees to bring about an apocolypse prophesized since before recorded history and so forth. And I had a major crash. I just don't want to deal with it anymore. And looking back, a great deal of what I thought was real. . . well. . . . I was d*mn convinced then. And I believe anything is possible, so I won't say "NO IT WAS A LOAD OF CR*P!". But. . . I don't really care to believe in it anymore. I guess that's what it boils down to. I don't think, in my heart of hearts, it was completely real. I believe that there are a lot of really incredible things out there, overwhelming and awe-inspiring. But as of the time being, I really don't care to mix myself into them. I'd rather not involve them in my life. So you might really have a problem. You might just have migranes. It could be coincidence, though I don't believe in coincidence. Talk with the folks who agree with you. Consider the thoughts of those who don't. In the end, it's really up to you. You aren't going to change anyone's mind but your own.

[Phoenix Blue]

As much flak as I'm going to get for this, that's not entirely true. I may be odd, but the internet seems to be the best conductor of empathy-readably emotions outside of direct line-of-sight contact. When you have a collective universe that really only exists in the minds of the participants, the effect is such that you may as well be standing in someone else's head.
This actually falls in-line with my own observations and work over the 'Net. :) I mean, really: you're working with majick, and the universe is connected. Tell me again why physical distance is relevant to majickal work?

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Not attempting to change anyone's mind. I clearly stated that I understand and respect the other viewpoint on all of this. This thread was started by someone who believes it is occuring, that is why I posted here, because I do as well. I'm not attempting to foist my beliefs off on anyone else. None of my posts have been hostile to anyone else's beleifs on the subject. All I was attempting to do was put a "what if" in those minds that don't feel there is anything but a possible medical reason behind this. It is an inherent part of Druidry to question. It is also inherent in the Druid to try to show others that there may be an alternative viewpoint, or to get them to accept that there may be an alternative viewpoint. I did not intend on this becoming such a debate, nor intend on hurting anyone's feelings.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Calzaer]

Tell me again why physical distance is relevant to majickal work?

Well, physical distance outside line-of-sight makes thins more difficult for me, but that's a focus issue rather than a "limitation of the laws of magic" issue. I have to "hone in" on someone if I'm doing anything other than empathy (or if I'm doing in-depty empathy, or empathy on someone when I've turned off my general empathy), and unless they're someone I know well, they have to be close enough for me to "feel" them.

The internet, on the other hand, basically puts everyone I'm interacting with at my fingertips. The false-sensory input changes (it goes from "feel" to "hear"), but the essence of someone is readable through their on-line activity. I can "hone in" on people here just as well as I can someone in front of me in line at Subway. I used to entertain people by giving internet "readings" based on finding and following the threads that they connect to.

On the downside, I've become addicted to the internet. Not for normal reasons, but because whenever I'm on-line there's a low-level comforting "chatter" going on, even if I'm not actually browsing the web or playing a game. If my ISP goes down for maintenance and I'm in my room reading a book and not paying any attention, I'll notice that I'm not lightly connected to a hundred thousand people anymore and get anxious and antsy and lonely. So it's a bit like a drug, in that respect.

The other downside is I overload extremely easily on-line. In chatrooms (IRC, especially), I have a very hard time staying grounded and can fizzle out my empathy and mental energy reserves in a matter of minutes if I'm not careful.

[Rain Gnosis]

I don't think anyone said there can only be medical reasons to this. There can be mundane, and there can be magical, and at least in my experience if you're feeling something physical the cause is probably physical.

Like right now, I have a sore throat. I was just reading yesterday that sore throats can mean an imbalance in your throat chakra and communication problems. So yeah, I'm going to stop and think about my communication skills and go into meditation to work on my chakras. But I'm also going to get some throat soothing candies and get a lot of rest. It'd be wrong (and detrimental) to brush off the idea that I probably caught my fiance's cold, even if I have to work on my throat chakra too. We live both in the physical and in the spiritual, so we have to work within both.

Sorry, don't mean to sound if I'm lecturing or teaching. I'm just in one of those moods where I could go on and on and on explaining things. I'll shut up now :)

[Myrddyn Emrys]

:fofftopic

This whole thing has gone way too far. The topic was the Scanning going on, and now we are debating wether it's going on.

I do not intend to persue this any further. Rain, I don't have a problem with either you or Greenman, but this is jsut turning into too much of a debate. I have my viewpoints on this , you have yours. I don't think we are ever going to see eye to eye on it, so we'll just let it go.

Myrddyn Emrys

[Rick]

This whole thing has gone way too far. The topic was the Scanning going on, and now we are debating wether it's going on.
Debate? Hardly... more like very lively discussion, with a healthy dose of skepticism on both sides. Some are skeptical that there is even the remotest possibility that there's a medical cause, others are skeptical that there's not, & still others fall somewhere in between. When discussing an entirely subjective phenomenon, which can't be objectively proven, why would anyone expect anything else? More importantly, why would anyone want it any other way?

[Twig]

"As with all things of this nature,be sure to exhaust all possible physical causes before exploring these avenues." There! Hows that???

To those of us that have spent decades exploring the Other side, this is second nature and goes without saying. After a while it becomes inbred. (Shutup Emrys! I know what you are thinking right now. Hehehehe :farmerjoe ) Buuuuut this is a place that it must be said and repeated. I know I would hate to be the cause of someones death because what they thought was an outside influence in their mind ended up being a bloodclot. But then again I know that personally this is the first time that over 5000 people have looked toward me for Anything!

Everyone here has made good and valid points in this debate. But i am waiting for the results of the one person that is jumping on this unknown horse to ride and trusting my judgement in all this.

Peace,
Twig.

[SylverStar]

Ok I just read this entire thread. I don't have anything constructive to add. I've never heard of the term scanning or really though much about it. I'm still a little hazy on what it is and how its down. I've stopped in the middle of a crowed place and searched mentally for friends and that's the only thing I can relate it too. I wouldn't throw out the possibility of inexperienced people being able to do this though. I have very much enjoyed this discussion though. I have truely learned something.

[Twig]

I've stopped in the middle of a crowed place and searched mentally for friends and that's the only thing I can relate it too. I wouldn't throw out the possibility of inexperienced people being able to do this though.

And did you find the people you were looking for? Did you then "know" where they were? Cause if you did, you passed Scanning 101. :shhhh: :floating: :lol:

[SylverStar]

Only if the people didn't move. It works about half of the time for me. So does that mean I got 50% in scanning 101. That's still passing though right? :)

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Was just waiting for you to chime in on all of this, Bro.

(and just what makes yuou think that I, innocent ol' ME would have made comment there?! :rolleyes: )

I do agree that all "mundane" options should be eliminated before coming to this conclusion. Most definitely.

I do also feel that there are times that "second nature" kicks in and you damn well know what is happening.

Myrddyn Emrys

[zakzekezedd]

For what it's worth, I lived in Wichita for a little over 2 years and suffered from the most miserable migraines in my whole life during that time. Before that I lived in Manhattan, and had migraine problems there, although not as severe. At that time, I wouldn't have considered a metaphysical or occult explanation, just that I had horrific headaches. But I do know I have rarely had migraines since I moved to Oklahoma. Does anyone know what the situation with ley lines in the Manhattan-Wichita area might be? What I'm suggesting is that the someone(s) behind these scan activities might be intentionally or unintentionally creating distortions in natural energy fields. That might explain why the static charge energy is so intense and why 9-2-2's efforts at shielding are not effective. Of course, that might explain how, but not why, or what 9-2-2 can do to stop the occurances. Just some thoughts that scuttled around my pointy little head on reading this thread.

[9-2-2]

If I'd have known I wasn't subscribed to this thread, I would've responded sooner! :damnpc:

Thanks for the help, everyone. I am aware of the fact that there's no epicure for this situation, so I'm just going to sit and stew in my own pot of pain for the meantime, while doing what I can to practice, learn, and grow. It'll be very maddening under these conditions, and said conditions may do very well to retard my growth.

I'm considering other possibilities, in order to be less of a headache to people. After all, I was a headache since I was born, or so my old man says. Anyway, everybody knows (or at least a lot of people know) that the land has its own natural energies. As far as I know, most of the midwest has little to no energy at all, except for Wichita and the metropolitan area. It could be this contrast that's bothering me. I COULD have a brain tumor, but I haven't gone totally blind or batshit crazy, nor have I died. Well, I don't think I've died :rolleyes: :collapse: :shot: . I COULD have a medical history with migraines, but migraines are not typically a part of my own medical history, nor are they a part of my family's history.

I'm not going to go into mega-debates on the validity of the situation, as it's not the point. But I can see it's annoyed one member already. I'll let you guys know about the results of stewing in the pot o' pain.

Oh, and Lunacie. Still working at Winchell's, Sun. - Tues., and Fri. first shift.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

But I can see it's annoyed one member already. .
Hey,I'm OK here. I just didn't want to continue on with the "could it be..." discussions. I'm all for trying to help you here. After all, I do feel that it's a problem for several of us, and what helps one of us might just help the rest. I hadn't thought of the ley line idea, because out to my property several ley lines cross, and it's the only place I haven't experienced problems.

Myrddyn Emrys

[9-2-2]

Hey, you're cool. I don't think I annoyed you, I'm just being whiny or something.
I'll try to focus on other things, like trying to get more than two hours of sleep a night. Hey, it puts my mind on other things...

[Twig]

Ok, for the physical symtoms. I suggest the following tea to help you sleep.

Get and mix the following herbs in these ratios.

1 part peppermint.....................For stomach queeziness
2 parts white willow..................Analgesic (DO NOT USE IF YOU ARE ASPRIN SENSITIVE)
2 parts valarian........................a mild seditive and calmative

Ok. Valarian is quite possibly the foulest smelling thing the Gods have ever let grow. Leave your wet gym socks in a backpack for ~ a week and you might equal it. What I do is buy chammomile (DO NOT USE if you have pollen allergies!) and using 2 teaballs brew a heaping teaspoon of each of the above mixture and another of chammomile to help mask the smell and further calm the mind and spirit.

Do not use black tea due to the caffine content.

While you are relaxed. Imagine the thing you sense is a stiff breeze going through you.
Now, go deeper inside yourself and see yourself sitting down in a sheltered place so that the wind/energy goes over and around you while you sit in a pool of sheltered calm. I picture myself sitting in the bowl of a large trees roots, and the tree is my shelter.

People often ask me to let loose with some of the things I know. Then listen closely if you would wish to learn! That technique has protected me against some of the most vicious attacks I have ever recieved.

The trick to scanning, the way of spellwork, the very Basis of Reality and Magick Itself is Faith, Intent and Visualization.

But be careful what you wish for. It may just come true and the Gods have no humor to those that misuse this secret.

I thank my Spirit Guide for showing me the things he does. May Andrasta protect you.
Peace,
Twig
:ghost:

[9-2-2]

Cool beans. Having my money tied up with bills, perhaps you'd send me this stuff? :) :p ;)

[Myrddyn Emrys]

2 parts white willow..................Analgesic (DO NOT USE IF YOU ARE ASPRIN SENSITIVE)
And if you are aspirin sensitive, substitute two parts of Yarrow for the White Willow.

Myrddyn Emrys

P.S. Twig was NOT exaggerating about the Valerian! :sick: But the taste is not as bad as the smell. If you have pollen allergies and can't use the Chamomile, try Spearmint leaves instead. Sweeten with honey or raw sugar if you feel you need to, avoid processed white sugar.

Actually, small half-ounce bags of all of this should cost you less than $20 at an herb shop or health food store that sells bulk herbs. You'd spend more at McDonalds for a meal for two.