Question?

[rheirene]

MM,
I'm still new to my path,but I've been studying and learning a lot.
My problem is with my oldest daughter she's 13[thinks shes going on 20]lol
anyway she has learned what I'm studying and wants me to show her,I'm not sure if thats wise ,I don't want her to just follow my path because I am,but I don't want her to find someone whos not truthful or who is a fake.I'm not sure what to do.any suggestions?

[reanna]

Welcome to Mystic Wicks. Pleased to meet you :):):):)
As for your daughter, if she has expressed interest, why not see if you can attend a local workshop or class together. It may give her more of an idea on what your path is all about, and to decide if it is or isn't something she is interested in. Bonus to this, you get to share time together.

BB to you and again welcome aboard! :):):)

[Yvonne Belisle]

First off welcome to Mystic Wicks. As to your daughter I would start by asking her why she wants to learn. If it's just to be cool at school that will tell you something important but if she genuinely wants to learn I think taking a class together is perfect. It is a wonderful thing to share with one another.

[Krom]

Originally posted by rheirene
MM,
I'm still new to my path,but I've been studying and learning a lot.
My problem is with my oldest daughter she's 13[thinks shes going on 20]lol
anyway she has learned what I'm studying and wants me to show her,I'm not sure if thats wise ,I don't want her to just follow my path because I am,but I don't want her to find someone whos not truthful or who is a fake.I'm not sure what to do.any suggestions?

I think it really depends on what she wants to learn. I teach my children by how I live my life. (I have a daughter that is almost 13 going on 20 also so I understand). Being that I am a Trad Wiccan I can not discuss with her any of my practices, but I can share my belief's in the Gods, give her guidance from a Wiccan point of view and share my love of nature and my understands of how the cycles of nature work. I can also try and answer question that she may have to the best of my ability and my oaths.

I think that by teaching through living what you believe; you give an idea of what you believe but you do not give the impression of that is all there is. (not saying that you do or would) :-). It is an non-intrusive way of sharing your beliefs.


Even if, when she turned 18 y.o., my daughter was interested in studying Traditional Craft, I probably would not teach her. I would help her find a group that I knew was trustworthy. I think that it would be difficult to try and teach your own child.

As for making sure that your daughter does not hook up with crazy's; that comes from checking out the individuals that she has contact with. MP B*B

[rheirene]

Thanks,
Actually I've been wanting to take a class,haven't found any yet,lol but still looking,shes been asking for awhile ,I think shes sincere about it but I think we'll move very slowly.
Is there any one from texas,just curious.



blessed be
Rheirene

[Skye]

Krom,

Sorry. I Disagree. I am not Wiccan, but in my familly, we shared everything. My Greatgrandmother taught me the most, she shared all her most prized secrets with me, as did I with my Granddaughter, and daughter. That is the only way your tradition can be past along. Books and outsiders will never do you justice.

Share with your kids, teach them, and they will teach.

[Krom]

Originally posted by Skye
Krom,

Sorry. I Disagree. I am not Wiccan, but in my familly, we shared everything. My Greatgrandmother taught me the most, she shared all her most prized secrets with me, as did I with my Granddaughter, and daughter. That is the only way your tradition can be past along. Books and outsiders will never do you justice.

Share with your kids, teach them, and they will teach.

MM Skye

Disagreements can be good. If we all agreed 100% it would be kind of boring. In Trad Wicca one must be able to remain objective as well as be subjective. :)

For me personally; I would find it hard to achieve the same objectivity with a family member...esp. a child. As a Trad Wiccan; I can't share with her everything I do.

I share by living what I believe. By my actions I share enough for both of my children to understand my path to a point. If they are interested in learning more after their 18th birthday; then I will help them find a truthworthy Teacher. I want them to have the same free will that I had. They must choose whether or not to follow this path or another.

MP B*B

[Skye]

I understand your need to give your children choices....I do mine. However, my child knows evrything I do....I leave it to her now that she is an adult to follow the ways she is most atune to....

I expect her to carry on our family tradition, but I will not force her to.

[Skye]

:D

By the way


nice to meet you Krom:) :) :) :)

[Krom]

Originally posted by Skye
I understand your need to give your children choices....I do mine. However, my child knows evrything I do....I leave it to her now that she is an adult to follow the ways she is most atune to....

I expect her to carry on our family tradition, but I will not force her to.

Oh I was not saying that you dont Skye. Please forgive me if it sounded like it did.

I was saying that in my situation it is not possible for either of my children to know all that I do. It is not even possible for all of my friends to know what I do (without being initiated).

It is not possible for them to know all I do because I am a Trad Wiccan. I know that not all paths are like that.

I respect your point of view and I respect and understand that we do not agree on this point. I think that it depends on your path. In Trad Wicca it is not possible until after 18 and in my case I do not believe that I could teach them with the same objectivity like I can one of my other students.

By the way; it is nice to meet you too Skye:)

[Lilu]

Hi :)

Krom & Skye, You are both right - from your own points of view and from your own paths.

We are all here from different walks of life - some of us have very different ideas on things. Some particular traditions (covens) don't ALLOW you to share certain information with someone who is not initiated to that particular faith. It doesn't matter if they are family or not. Some covens and groups have a secrecy factor that is taken as part of their oath.

Skye you sound like you follow more of a hereditary witchcraft path? (I am only guessing)

I personally aren't in a coven or anything like that, and I take no oaths of secrecy, so I wouldn't have a problem teaching my children all I know. I think it comes down to what you are comfortable with. rheirene if you are comfortable with sharing some things with your daughter then go ahead if you think she is serious. You could also recommend she read a book or two on the subject, and come to you with questions.

rheirene, you sound like you are still new to the path you're on, and that can be a daunting thing when it comes to others because it's hard to explain to others what you aren't completely sure about yourself! On the other hand this might be a good opportunity for you both to learn together, read the same book, discuss it together, and grow together. My Mum and I did this a lot when I was growing up which is how I got into New Age stuff.

Do whatever you are comfortable with, I think it's good that you are at least open to the idea of your daughter learning about the path.

Lilu

[Krom]

Originally posted by Lilu
Hi :)

Krom & Skye, You are both right - from your own points of view and from your own paths.

We are all here from different walks of life - some of us have very different ideas on things. Some particular traditions (covens) don't ALLOW you to share certain information with someone who is not initiated to that particular faith. It doesn't matter if they are family or not. Some covens and groups have a secrecy factor that is taken as part of their oath.


Lilu

MM Lilu

You are completely right. I was trying to get that point across.....really I was :) hehehe

It really depends on what path you follow. If you follow a Traditional Wicca path then you can't share that info with anyone outside of your Tradition. In order to study Trad Wicca you must be at least 18. So there in lies the reason I do not teach my children. I have other reason as well but I think they are mute until they reach 18.

If you are going to do eclectc Witchcraft/wicca then you follow your own rules or those of who ever you get to teach you. It depends on what you are doing. Which path you choose to follow.

Thank you Lilu for saying it better than I did. :)



MP B*B

[Skye]

Originally posted by Lilu
Hi :)

Krom & Skye, You are both right - from your own points of view and from your own paths.

Skye you sound like you follow more of a hereditary witchcraft path? (I am only guessing)


Hello Lilu, nice to meet you:D
You are right I am a hereditary Heathen, I have always been told everything and that is the way I raised my child.

I am trying really hard to understand why anyone would keep their child in the dark for sooo long....18 years is a long time, but I am trying. Please tell me, if you can, why you would wait so long to teach your children.

Thanx

[Krom]

Originally posted by Skye

Hello Lilu, nice to meet you:D
You are right I am a hereditary Heathen, I have always been told everything and that is the way I raised my child.

I am trying really hard to understand why anyone would keep their child in the dark for sooo long....18 years is a long time, but I am trying. Please tell me, if you can, why you would wait so long to teach your children.

Thanx

MM Skye;

As a British Traditional Wiccan I am bound by the oaths I took at my initiations as well as the Laws and Traditions of my particular Trad. I cannot pass on my Training to either of my children without them being initiated into my Tradition of Wicca. They cannot be initiated into my Tradition of Wicca until the age of 18 y.o. So they cannot know of what I do until that age. This does not mean that they have not attended open rituals or pagan gatherings. It just means that I cannot discuss what I do or what I know.

I therefore teach them by how I live. I cannot do any more than that.

I hope this helps you understand why I cant.

MP B*B
Krom

[Mairwen]

I think it's been said enough times in here already, but I'm going to say it again. In some Traditions, you take an Oath to protect the Teachings of that particular Trad. (I'm one of those) These Oaths mean that no one, and that means absolutely no one, outside your Tradition can know what you're being taught. In some, you must be 18 to be Initiated, even if you're blood family; in our Tradition, you must be 18 if you're not blood, but if you are blood, 16 is the earliest you can Initiate. Within these Traditions, you must Initiate in order to learn any of the Teachings.

[Krom]

Originally posted by Mairwen
I think it's been said enough times in here already, but I'm going to say it again. In some Traditions, you take an Oath to protect the Teachings of that particular Trad. (I'm one of those) These Oaths mean that no one, and that means absolutely no one, outside your Tradition can know what you're being taught. In some, you must be 18 to be Initiated, even if you're blood family; in our Tradition, you must be 18 if you're not blood, but if you are blood, 16 is the earliest you can Initiate. Within these Traditions, you must Initiate in order to learn any of the Teachings.

Thanks Mairwen;

I am glad to see that you understand what I am saying.

MP B*B
Krom

[Mairwen]

:D

[rheirene]

MM,
thank you all for your input ,it does help.

[rheirene]

I'm also still new to computers,I cut myself off.lol
anyhow,yes,i'm still very new and it does seem overwhelming at times,but you all gave very good advise.I think I'll blend a little of all.
I think this community is really cool.
thanks again
Blessed Be
Rheirene

[tigger759]

I have the same problem with my 8 year old. Her dad and i are studying this path and learning tarot and she so wants to learn too!
My family are strict catholics and i'm bringing her up that way as of now(since no one in my family knows!). Okay i dont' go to church but she goes to religion classes!
But i tried to explain to her that it was her choice eventually but for now she can learn with us but to take it slow she may not like this path later in life and i dont' want her not liking us for pushing her into it!

[rheirene]

Originally posted by tigger759
I have the same problem with my 8 year old. Her dad and i are studying this path and learning tarot and she so wants to learn too!
My family are strict catholics and i'm bringing her up that way as of now(since no one in my family knows!). Okay i dont' go to church but she goes to religion classes!
But i tried to explain to her that it was her choice eventually but for now she can learn with us but to take it slow she may not like this path later in life and i dont' want her not liking us for pushing her into it!


Yes,lol,I know what you mean,MINE is the oldest of seven
shes the only one who knows,I've tried to explain to her about taking things slow.but....
I still send the others to bible school for now.:)
B.B. rheirene

[tigger759]

merry meet rheirhine!
Yeah mine is thinking it's neat. But i try to instill upon here that she has to understand this fully and except it before jumping head first. But at 8 she thinks she knows everything. But i keep sending her to religion cause i know she enjoys that too!! I'm sure my family has a clue since i'm the holiday catholic to them! Then i go just not to cause problems in the family!
So if anyone has a clue on how to tell your family that would be great too!!

[Myst]

I found all the posts in this thread interesting and informative. Certainly I have a newfound respect for the question of whether or not to share your religion with your children.

My niece has already shown some interesting facets. She sees the fae folk etc. and has even tried to affect people through energy. It gets to the point that, when she gets upset, you have to physically ignore her and sometimes put up a simple shield to not feel the effects of her tantrum. Then she notices the shield and tries harder, until at last she gives up. Interesting stuff.

[Yvonne Belisle]

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