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TYRRHENUS
November 2nd, 2003, 07:16 AM
INTRODUCTION

A short time ago at this community and others, I had changed my avatar to the stereotypical 'pizza guy.' I thought it was a playful jest at my Italian ancestry. But it seemed to prompt a number of others to ask me if I was Italian and what I knew of Italian witchcraft. So here I have collected my thoughts and have written a quick article on what I know of stregoneria.

I am not an expert in this study, nor would I claim to be. I am a Roman Recon, not a "witch." But we Italians are under cultural attack by self-proclaimed religious leaders and people looking to make a buck. Trust me, I do not want to be the sole English-speaking defender of the truth concerning stregoneria. Surely there is someone else at this community who can do a better job than I. For all that is good in Italy, make yourselves known.

I will try to be concise and to keep my opinions to a minimum.
What I present here is what I have learned from my upbringing in an Italian-American community. My very brief visit to Italy four years ago. The texts that I have read. As well as what has been submitted to me via recent correspondences by individuals in Italy.
Please take note of the cultural observations. These will more than anything else dispel the hogwash written by some.
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STREGHE, STREGONI & WICCA ITALIANA

First things first... It is important to note that not until the last decade or so, have we seen people actually call themselves strega and stregone. These who do call themselves sorceress and sorcerer are actually Neo-Pagan types. They DO worship Gods and Goddesses. They DO practice ceremonial magic.
Many of these individuals also call themselves Wiccan, and have actually embraced the word 'coven.' (A word which in my opinion has no place in the Italian language.) Still, these individuals are not the concern of this article.

In actuality, the people we are dealing with in this article have no name other than that which they were born with.
The terms strega and stregone have always been imposed on others. In my experience, everyone that I have found who would be called a strega or stregone by modern authors, are in fact devout Catholics.

I have found these so-called 'witches' are no more than individuals who know the following:

• Herbal remedies.
• A few incantations.
• A heck of a lot of folklore.

These three ingredients seem to be the sum total of all that is stregoneria. (A bit anti-climactic, I would think. Continue if you wish...)
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IMPOSITION OF TERMINOLOGY & MAGIA CRISTIANA

As we have seen, the words 'strega' and 'stregone' have historically been IMPOSED on individuals. Yet there are a number of Neo-Pagans in Italy today who are taking on the old titles from folklore. (Mostly, to differentiate themselves from this recent, disturbing trend in North America called "Stregheria.") Ή

Here are some of the names you will come across. Keep in mind that there are MANY more:

Aabitatrici dei Campi (Albanian 'witches' in Campania. Called 'Perjashmazit' in Albanian.)
Animulari (Witches in Trapani, Sicily.)
Bazure (Witches in Alassio and Savonese.)
Beate Donnette (Witches in the 'veneto' - the suburbs of Venice.)
Bruixa-ana (Witches in the Alghero community of Sardinia. Hence the Catalan word.)
Cogas (Witches in Sardinia.)
Gatte Masciare (Witches in Bari.)
Ianare (These 'witches' in Campania have an entire mountain named after them.)
Madri (This is one of several dozen Sicilian 'traditions'. The word is plural of 'madre' - "mother.")
Masche (The witches in Liguria.)
Missuia (There is an Italian community up in Switzerland. This is the word for 'witch' in that community.)
Sorelle e Fratelli della Lunachiara (A witch 'tradition' from Florence.)
Streghe del Focolare ("Fireplace witches." Like most Italian 'witches' they practise only at home. This is a description, not a 'tradition.')
Streghe Marine ("Sea witches." Witches on the coast of Istria.)
Strina (Yet another Sicilian 'tradition'. Located in or near the city of Palermo. I'm not sure.)
Vaina (Witches in the Valley of Ossola and the province of Novara.)
Vecia Barbantana (Yet another witch 'tradition' in the Venice area. I think the name refers to the Gypsies of the area.)
Zingari del Passato (This means "Gypsies of the past." But they're still around.)
Zobia (Witches in Piedmont. Comes from the Piemontese word “giςbia” - "Thursday." Because the folklore says they only gather on Thursdays. In reality, traditional Italian "witches" don't "gather" at all.)

Italy, like the United States, is going through a period of political correctness. There is a new term arising for 'stregoneria,' and that is 'magia cristiana,' - "Christian Magic."
Again, this is a modern term which has been placed on individuals who know traditional folk magic. This term has come about because these individuals, like all traditional 'Italian witches', have no doubt in their minds that they are Catholic.

Though the term 'magia cristiana' is more appropriate, it is still a title which has been imposed and it is not yet certain that it will be accepted.
So for the purpose of consistency, I will use the politically incorrect, yet popular 'stregoneria.'
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THE FALLACY OF THE ETRUSCANS

In 1799 an Italian farmer (whose name I can never remember) was planting seeds in his field when the wheel of his horse-cart sank down into the ground. What he had stumbled upon was an Etruscan tomb.
Prior to this event, there was little physical evidence of the Etruscans. In fact, many believed the Etruscans were the equivalent of an inside joke written by ancient Roman authors. A joke we would never understand.
But the Etruscans were real, and it was the broken wheel of a horse-cart that would set into motion a chain of events which would cloud the study of traditional Italian folk magic for the next two hundred years.

Because of this accidental discovery, the first half of the 19th century would see every half-baked archaeologist and crackpot folklorist flock to Tuscany. They went in search of deciphering the Etruscan language, to write commentaries on the artwork of this dead people and make a name for themselves.
Many of these individuals exaggerated the importance of the Etruscans in an attempt to outdo their 'competitors.' But most were poets who were primarily concerned with imagery. Their goal was to make the subject of their poems, this dead people known as the Etruscans, the most appealing to their readers.

During the second half of the 19th century, the great writers of the Risorgimento (the unification of Italy), admittedly over-exaggerated the importance of these discoveries to foster the idea that Tuscany was 'the real' heart of Italy and not Rome. They did this because in the latter half of the 19th century the only part of Italy which had not been liberated from the Papal States was Rome herself.

• These writers actually changed Tarquinius Priscus' genealogy from Greek to Etruscan.
• Servius was made an Etruscan, when actually he was a slave of unknown birth.
• Hundreds of years of Italian history were rewritten to include a fictitious Etruscan army imposed on Rome.

Italian Republicans were debating whether or not to continue with the civil war and incur losses in Rome, or cut their losses and create a new capital in Tuscany, where this fable of Etruscans ruling Rome would serve as validation for moving the capital.
This is also why Toscano was made the official dialect, and not Romanesco or Pugliese. Even though the latter two dialects each had more speakers than Toscano.

So here we have a full century of writers and politicians, both Italian and non-Italian, who for various reasons were intentionally exaggerating the importance of the Etruscans in the course of Italian history.
Yet Italians have always known this fallacy of the Etruscans, and are now correcting it in their universities.
However, the rest of the world is still reading the writings of the Risorgimento as well as the writings of the English-speaking adventurers in 19th century Tuscany. (C.G. Leland being the most notorious example.)

A certain modern author on the subject comes to mind who pays special attention to the Etruscans, and not surprisingly, to the writings of C.G. Leland as well. This author claims that the Gods of the Etruscans are still on the lips of Italians! This particular author clearly does not understand this very simple fact of Italian culture: the importance of the Etruscans in Italian history has been intentionally exaggerated by both recent Italians for political reasons, and by non-Italians for personal gain.

In other words, the answers to the questions of stregoneria can not be found in the memory of the extinct Etruscans. They are gone. Dead. The winds over Italy have blown across the globe, and they now whisper the word "Latino." And that is the sweetest sound of all.
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ZINGARI DEL PASSATO

Most of what has erroneously been attributed to stregoneria is actually the work of a people called Zingari del passato - the Gypsies.
Now don't get me wrong, these Zingari are very much Italian. They have been in Italy since the 11th century. They all speak Italian. But they do have a distinct subculture. One which is NOT representative of stregoneria.
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LITERACY & I LIBRI

Here we have more nonsense to do away with. Again, a certain modern author has made claims that Italians have been secretly maintaining magical texts for centuries, even millennia.
This is not true. The sad fact is that during the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the rule of the Papal States and up until the Risorgimento, the only people in Italy who were literate were the (very Christian) bourgeoisie and the clergy.

Up until the end of the 19th century stregoneria was an oral tradition. There were no books to be found. It was a great burden on the memory of our ancestors. Much was lost. But the Risorgimento brought with itself literacy programs, and it was not until then that Italian families began to keep i libri - "the books."

There is no secrecy about the books. All families have them. They are like the family Bible. You will never see another family's books, because they just don't want your paws all over them. They are personal, not secret. (Just as a side note. Many families store their books with their Bible.)

DISTRIBUTION OF LABOR

Among the western-Pugliese (of which I am descended) and many others, it is the responsibility of the women to maintain these books. While it is the responsibility of the men to tell the stories.
The women write their remedies in these books. Sometimes there is folklore in them. But they are mostly recipes. They contain neither runes nor Masonic symbols.

However, I know of no native-born Italian-Americans who are in possession of these books. It would seem this is because most Italian-Americans are either descended from one Italian immigrant, almost always a man ², who left Italy because of il terremoto (a horrible earthquake), or families which left Italy prior to the Risorgimento.
This is why among the few of us here in America who are descended from these Italian immigrants, and the smaller number of those who have actually maintained the tradition, it is strictly oral. While among the families in Italy, none of the books are more than 130 years old. ³

On the subject of folklore, Italians NEVER mix their family history with folklore, as the author I have mentioned earlier has incorrectly written. They are always separate recitations.
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TOOLS

The only tools in stregoneria are those things one grows in their garden.
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GESTICULATION

The making of gestures is considered rude by Italians during polite conversation. Therefore there are NO gestures made during prayer.
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ORGANIZATION

There is not, and has never been a "capital" or central location of stregoneria.
To make such claims, that during the 1300 year period from the fall of the Empire to the Risorgimento, that there was a collegia of Italian witches who managed the affairs of the whole of Italy, is not just outrageous, it is an insult to millions of our countrymen who have suffered and died for Italian unification.
That being said, there are no Priests, Priestesses, High Priests or High Priestesses in stregoneria.
One does not need to be an 'initiate' of any degree system to learn herbal remedies.

I do not want to fall into the trap of the distinction between coven vs. solitary. That would be misleading. Both terms are heavy with English language connotations.
I will only pose this question: If Italian "witches" have never called themselves 'witches', or considered themselves any different than the rest, why would they have secret gatherings with other 'witches'?

The frightening, malicious witches of Italian folklore compelled the earlier generations to stay clear of anyone with the reputation of being a 'witch.' When in fact, the witches of Italian folklore were no more than perverted descriptions of they themselves!

When we discuss stregoneria, we are dealing with traditional Italian folk magic, not a religion.
It is only modern Italian "witches" who actually gather into groups. Again, these are mostly Neo-Pagans and Zingari from what I can tell.
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SECRECY

Let us dispel this nonsense of secrecy which has blanketed the discourse on Italian folk magic the last two decades.
We Italians are NOT secretive. Anyone who claims that Italians are secretive is making a statement contradictory to all that is known of Italian culture. In fact, it has been our openness which has acted as an Achilles-heel thoughout the history of our people.

These are the two most popular reasons why an Italian "witch" will not give you their knowledge:
1) They feel embarrassed for knowing such things. They usually feel antiquated for knowing herbal remedies and the like.
2) They don't like you.

Neither of these two reasons attest to a pattern of, or preference for secrecy. There are no levels of initiation, no "Inner Court System", no secret handshake you must master.
When this aspect of Italian culture is examined, one will find that all claims of "mystery cults", "mystery traditions" and other such nonsense are thrown out the window with the Carbonari. †

I will conclude this segment by saying there is an abundance of information concerning Italian folk magic. The overwhelming majority of this material however has yet to be translated.
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COMMON MISBELIEFS DISPELLED

• There are NO ceremonial practices in stregoneria.
• There are NO covens or 'clans' in stregoneria.
• There are NO gestures made in stregoneria. (See section entitled 'GESTICULATION')
• There are NO Gods or Goddesses in stregoneria. Only spirits.
• There are NO levels of initiation, Priests, Priestesses, High Priests or High Priestesses in stregoneria.
• There are NO magic books in stregoneria. (See section entitled 'LITERACY & I LIBRI')
• There are NO mystery traditions or secrets in stregoneria. (See section entitled 'SECRECY')
• There are NO symbols to be found in stregoneria.
• There are NO tools in stregoneria. (See section entitled 'TOOLS')
• There are NO 'watchers' or 'winds' which are called upon in stregoneria.
• Stregoneria and Wicca are not similiar. They are "apples and oranges."
• Stregoneria is not a religion. Stregoneria is the use of herbal medicine and the telling of folklore.
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RECOMMENDED READING

GENERAL STREGONERIA

I guaritori di campagna. Tra magia e medicina, by Paola Giovetti
Formule di guarigione in uso in Valle d'Aosta, by Fiorenza Cout
Adiantum La Strega Contadina, by Maria Teresa Zanetti Berni

ITALIAN FOLKLORE

Mai dire masche. Il mistero delle streghe. Racconti e storie tra immaginario e mito, by Donato Bosca
Le maschere italiane, by Nicola Fano
Leggende e racconti popolari della Lombardia, by Lidia Beduschi
Leggende e racconti popolari di Napoli, Angela Matassa
Leggende e tradizioni di Sardegna, by Gino Bottiglioni

STREGONERIA WEB SITES

www.stregoneria.cc
www.lucedistrega.net
Looks interesting, but haven't read it yet:
www.streganera.net
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NOTES

Ή) In the book "Italian Witchcraft" by Raven Grimassi, the authors states, "The old Italian word for Witchcraft is Stregheria..."
I have been unable to find this word in any of the dialects. In addition, well over a year ago I posted the following question on an Italian language newsgroup: "What dialect is 'Stregheria'?" I have yet to receive a response. If anyone knows, please enlighten me.
I have heard a theory that C.G. Leland could not find the word for 'witchcraft' among the God-fearing population of Tuscany, so he took the word "strege" and added it to the Italian suffix "eria" to arrive at 'stregeria' (Note the lack of the letter "h"). "Stregeria" is the word Leland used in one of his texts. Although, there is no way of proving this theory.
Finally, I just performed a Google search for the word "stregheria" which returned 4,300 results. Then a separate search for the word "stregoneria" which returned 25,600 results. The vast majority of the web sites returned for the "stregheria" search seemed to be in English, while all of the web sites for the "stregoneria" search seemed to be in Italian

²) For clarification. I am offering the theory that since it has historically been the responsibility of WOMEN to keep the books, and that many Italian-Americans are descended from a single Italian MAN, this is why Italian-Americans are not in possession of 'the books.'

³) A friend in Italy has recently proven to my satisfaction that she is in possession of a microfilm image of a book which records the history of her family. This book is dated to 634 CE. Though this is not unheard of, it is VERY rare.

†) A short-lived branch of the Freemasons. The Carbonari are quite often used as an example of an "Italian secret society." Their members were actually bourgeois Protestants and mid-level apparatchiks. Not representative of stregoneria.

Sylvan
November 2nd, 2003, 07:40 AM
Very interesting.. Not being Italian, I'm not necessarily drawn to the Neo-Pagan "Stregheria", but have read Leland's "Aradia" (for the history of Wicca aspect)... Very informative. Thank you!

TYRRHENUS
December 28th, 2003, 07:49 AM
And thank you Kurgarra for pointing out Stregheria is Neo-Pagan.
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Ah... sweet, sweet validation. If anybody is interested, I think the following article is a must read.
In case the web site moves it, it is called Spells, Saints, and Streghe: Witchcraft, Folk Magic, and Healing in Italy (http://rueskitchen.spiritualitea.net/sabina_magliocco.htm) by Sabina Magliocco.

RubyRose
December 28th, 2003, 07:59 AM
TYRRHENUS Thankyou. I've (when I first come across this path) been very interested in finding out more about it, as very little (at least when I've searched) could be found on the net. I know it sounds odd, considering the fact that I consider myself to be a Celtic/Faery Electic Wiccan, and am much into Spell casting and wands and athame's to even want to be bothered with other paths, but I find ... if I know as much as I can about other paths, than I can truly decide exactly where I fit in ... with my beliefs and all that.

So thankyou.

TYRRHENUS
December 28th, 2003, 09:26 AM
Interesting... what started as a rant actually helped somebody. no prob. :)

Imbrium
December 29th, 2003, 06:06 PM
Wow, thanks!

Your rant has fufilled my need for a daily dose of knowledge. And I got it all without having to endure commercials or drive to the library. It just doesn't get any better than this.
:floating:

Autumn
December 29th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Thank you for the excellent article. It pretty well matches what Hutton learned in England...most magical people there pre gardner would have been christian too and were irritated when anyone labeled them a witch...

Rasenna
January 16th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Okay, first off, I want to say that I know this thread is WAY OLD (or at least this response is), but I just happened across it today. All quotes are originally from Tyrrhenus.

In 1799 an Italian farmer (whose name I can never remember) was planting seeds in his field when the wheel of his horse-cart sank down into the ground. What he had stumbled upon was an Etruscan tomb.
Prior to this event, there was little physical evidence of the Etruscans. In fact, many believed the Etruscans were the equivalent of an inside joke written by ancient Roman authors. A joke we would never understand.
But the Etruscans were real, and it was the broken wheel of a horse-cart that would set into motion a chain of events which would cloud the study of traditional Italian folk magic for the next two hundred years.

It's very good to know the year that this happened. I'm always learning SOMETHING on-line...

Because of this accidental discovery, the first half of the 19th century would see every half-baked archaeologist and crackpot folklorist flock to Tuscany. They went in search of deciphering the Etruscan language, to write commentaries on the artwork of this dead people and make a name for themselves.
Many of these individuals exaggerated the importance of the Etruscans in an attempt to outdo their 'competitors.' But most were poets who were primarily concerned with imagery. Their goal was to make the subject of their poems, this dead people known as the Etruscans, the most appealing to their readers.

What's wrong with archeologists wanting to make a name for themselves? Isn't that the goal of most academics/researchers--to study new finds and pass the information on to other interested parties? Since not everyone in the world is a scholar (in fact, the majority of the world's population AREN'T), what is so wrong with making folklore digestible to the masses? Do only those of us who can read beyond a 12th grade level deserve to know of archeological, linguistic, and historically researched findings? The above smacks of snobbery, and it's the kind of thing that disgusts me about certain facets of academia, even though I LOVE most of it.

During the second half of the 19th century, the great writers of the Risorgimento (the unification of Italy), admittedly over-exaggerated the importance of these discoveries to foster the idea that Tuscany was 'the real' heart of Italy and not Rome. They did this because in the latter half of the 19th century the only part of Italy which had not been liberated from the Papal States was Rome herself.

This sounds typically Nova Roman/Religio Romana to me. I have had an array of encounters with NR/RR practitioners who slam Etruria and her gifts to the Roman people every chance they get. What is the problem with you guys?


• Hundreds of years of Italian history were rewritten to include a fictitious Etruscan army imposed on Rome.

History, like science, is constantly being re-written as new discoveries appear. That is the nature of scholarship. Again, what's the problem with that? Do you HONESTLY want humanity to stop challenging previous notions and turn into a world of ignoramouses?

Italian Republicans were debating whether or not to continue with the civil war and incur losses in Rome, or cut their losses and create a new capital in Tuscany, where this fable of Etruscans ruling Rome would serve as validation for moving the capital.

Okay, I think that you are making a grand miscalculation here. No one is trying to claim that the Etruscans ruled Latin Rome. They DID, however, rule the land in which the Roman farmers originally settled in. So, in a sense, they ruled the Romans before Rome became *ROME.* And what's wrong with that? What's the big threat? And if all of this is just a big red herring, why do scholars to this day continue to do research to this day on Etruria? Are they all just delusional? Wasting their time? Trying to make The Big Money? Yeah. I think we should throw all research of Etruria out, and along with that, why don't we strike out anything discovered about Assyria, Mesapotemia (sp), and Crete (Minoans) out too?

This is also why Toscano was made the official dialect, and not Romanesco or Pugliese. Even though the latter two dialects each had more speakers than Toscano.

Funny. I heard that Toscano was made the official dialect over Pugliese b/c that's the dialect Dante chose to write "The Divine Comedy" in. And thank goodness! From what I've heard, it's also the easier dialect to learn!

So here we have a full century of writers and politicians, both Italian and non-Italian, who for various reasons were intentionally exaggerating the importance of the Etruscans in the course of Italian history.
Yet Italians have always known this fallacy of the Etruscans, and are now correcting it in their universities.

Really? My Italian professor last semester lived in Bari for several years, and when I told her (in front of the class) that I was currently reading Waltari's "The Etruscan," she explained to the class that the Etruscans were one of the original cultures in Italy. Guess I'll have to go and tell her that her research of, knowledge of, and fluency in Italian is all wrong. (shrugs).


A certain modern author on the subject comes to mind who pays special attention to the Etruscans, and not surprisingly, to the writings of C.G. Leland as well. This author claims that the Gods of the Etruscans are still on the lips of Italians! This particular author clearly does not understand this very simple fact of Italian culture: the importance of the Etruscans in Italian history has been intentionally exaggerated by both recent Italians for political reasons, and by non-Italians for personal gain.

Again, I have to say that I know something of archeology, having worked at a local historic site for two years while it was being excavated for the first time, and I can tell you that there were two types of things found there:
The first were items that history taught us and we were familiar with.
The second were things unfamiliar that were taking back to the University to be catalogued and researched further.
We're talking about a site that is less than 200 years old.
Who's to say that the reasons why Etruscan research keeps booming is due only to political and self-promoting reasons? Since the Etrurian power peaked between 900 and 500 BCE, (a helluva lot older than the site I worked on), is it not possible that research also continues as excavations continue in and around the area once known as Etruria? I mean, come on! It can't ALL be some grand plot to steal the thunder from Rome! Geesh!!

In other words, the answers to the questions of stregoneria can not be found in the memory of the extinct Etruscans. They are gone. Dead. The winds over Italy have blown across the globe, and they now whisper the word "Latino." And that is the sweetest sound of all.

Ah! But if the Etruscans once occupied the areas now known as Latium and Campania, who's to say that what they left behind is truly dead? I mean, one could make the equally absurd claims about the Gauls in France. There is always at least a trace left behind of an area's previous occupants, and to say any differently is ludicris. Look, I know that as a Religio, you're a Roma-phile, but it doesn't mean you have to dismiss educated findings with your own personal take on things. In my life, I've lived in two cities that had a large Mexican population, and have only ever heard the word "Latino" used in conjunction with them or other groups descending from Iberia. I grew up with visits from Italian-American relatives until I reached my teens, and I never ONCE heard ANY of them refer to themselves as "Latino." Usually, they referred to themselves as italiano or italo-americano. So, that last bit seems a tad silly--albeit a fine attempt at the poetic--to me.
~R
Cel

raven grimassi
January 20th, 2006, 12:59 AM
here I have collected my thoughts and have written a quick article on what I know of stregoneria. I am not an expert in this study, nor would I claim to be.

Fair enough, and it is helpful to know that we are getting information from a person who admits he is not a Witch and not an expert on Italian Witchcraft.

Italy, like the United States, is going through a period of political correctness. There is a new term arising for 'stregoneria,' and that is 'magia cristiana,' - "Christian Magic." Again, this is a modern term which has been placed on individuals who know traditional folk magic. This term has come about because these individuals, like all traditional 'Italian witches', have no doubt in their minds that they are Catholic.

That seems like a rather broad brush to paint with. And I can say as a practitioner from a family tradition brought over from Italy, that I know that my kin do not think of themselves as Catholic. Nor do they embrace the term "stregoneria" for Italian Witchcraft, as it is actually sorcery rooted in Catholic culture, which today comprises the folk magic and folk healers of Italy.

As we have seen, the words 'strega' and 'stregone' have historically been IMPOSED on individuals. Yet there are a number of Neo-Pagans in Italy today who are taking on the old titles from folklore. (Mostly, to differentiate themselves from this recent, disturbing trend in North America called "Stregheria.")

And it should be noted that people have embraced "Stregheria" to differentiate themselves from Catholic rooted systems such as stregoneria. This is an effort to reclaim their pagan roots which were arrogated by popular folk systems such stregoneria.

Here we have more nonsense to do away with. Again, a certain modern author has made claims that Italians have been secretly maintaining magical texts for centuries, even millennia. This is not true. Up until the end of the 19th century stregoneria was an oral tradition. There were no books to be found.

If you are talking about Italian Witchcraft then historically speaking you are incorrect. Professor Sally Scully, in her article Marriage or a career?: witchcraft as an alternative in seventeenth-century Vence, comments on the Witch trial of Laura Malipero who possessed a copy of the Key of Solomon from which she was copying into her own "crudely written" spell book.

There is not, and has never been a "capital" or central location of stregoneria. To make such claims, that during the 1300 year period from the fall of the Empire to the Risorgimento, that there was a collegia of Italian witches who managed the affairs of the whole of Italy, is not just outrageous

Well I cannot speak for stregoneria, since I am Witch and not a folk practitioner, but I do agree that no collegia of Italian witches who managed the affairs of the whole of Italy likely ever existed. The only large organization I know of is the Triad group who maintain their mystery traditions in different regions of Italy. But I have never heard them described as "controlling" all of Italy, and I think someone would have to go far out of his or her way to misinterpret the Triad in this way.


I do not want to fall into the trap of the distinction between coven vs. solitary. That would be misleading. Both terms are heavy with English language connotations. I will only pose this question: If Italian "witches" have never called themselves 'witches', or considered themselves any different than the rest, why would they have secret gatherings with other 'witches'?

It is interesting to note that scholar Ruth Martin (Witchcraft and the Inquisition in Venice 1550-1650) addresses the witches’ sect:

Page 39: “ (The witch) …that he or she was a member of an organized sect…”

Page 41: “The final constituent in the completed stereotype of the witch-figure, and the one which probably contributed the most to the scale of the mass persecutions, was the idea that the witch was a member of a unified and organized sect of similar-minded people…”

The latter is supported by witchcraft trial transcripts such as that of the trial of Laura Malipero, circa 1654. Professor Scully (in her article appearing in the Journal of Social History, volume 28, 1995) notes that Laura was tried for practicing witchcraft along with her mother Isabella, half-sister Marietta Battaglia and 13 others who practiced the arts together.

Stephanie Taylor
January 20th, 2006, 01:28 AM
If anybody is interested, I think the following article is a must read.
In case the web site moves it, it is called Spells, Saints, and Streghe: Witchcraft, Folk Magic, and Healing in Italy (http://rueskitchen.spiritualitea.net/sabina_magliocco.htm) by Sabina Magliocco.

Thanks, and a must read for a counter to Magliocco's narrow view can be found here: http://www.stregheria.com/FolklorevsWitchcraft.html

*Rasenna*
January 20th, 2006, 12:36 PM
If you were to ask any average person in any city in the United States what witchcraft is, or what a witch is, you would get all the common nonsense about killing babies, worshipping Satan, sacrificing animals, and so on. So, the view of the average person doesn't equate to truth.

Likewise, ask the average person in Italy what stregoneria is, and they'll tell you all the common nonsense about witchcraft. So, the view of the average Italian doesn't equate to truth. I'm not sure that the average Italian can sort out the differences between witchcraft, sorcery and folk magic/folk healer traditions

According to Professor Sabina Magliocco, those who practice folk magic think of themselves as Catholic. In her Pomegranate article she writes: "But the difficulty with interpreting this practice only as a survival is that it does violence to the way practitioners perceive themselves. It is important to remember that practitioners think of themselves as Catholic."

So, what Magliocco is saying is that anyone who equates stregoneria with folk magic and folk healing is doing "violence" against folk practitioners (because they consider themselves Catholic). What I appreciate about Grimassi's writings is that he is clear that folk traditions are not witchcraft, and that stregoneria is a form of sorcery (versus Stregheria, which is the religion). Therefore he cannot rightfully be said to be doing violence to the practitioners of folk traditions per Magilocco's formula. Ironically his critics who practice folk magic/folk healing and call themselves witches are actually the ones doing the violence that Magliocco describes (while pointing the accusing finger at Grimassi). :rolleyes:

Nemesis Descending
January 21st, 2006, 01:59 PM
Likewise, ask the average person in Italy what stregoneria is, and they'll tell you all the common nonsense about witchcraft. So, the view of the average Italian doesn't equate to truth. I'm not sure that the average Italian can sort out the differences between witchcraft, sorcery and folk magic/folk healer traditions

Exactly. I've seen people whine in various forums about this, and they seem to expect that the "man on the street" is in the know. It's laughable. Stregoneria is subject to public ignorance, and so Stregheria is beyond their comprehension. Ever wonder why "Streghe" is the plural (witches) and not Stregi? Well, put a bunch of Italian witches together and you've got religion - Stregheria!! - LOL (yeah, I know, it's really a language rule, but I couldn't resist).

raven grimassi
January 21st, 2006, 04:51 PM
So, what Magliocco is saying is that anyone who equates stregoneria with folk magic and folk healing is doing "violence" against folk practitioners (because they consider themselves Catholic). What I appreciate about Grimassi's writings is that he is clear that folk traditions are not witchcraft, and that stregoneria is a form of sorcery (versus Stregheria, which is the religion).

Thanks for noticing. My view of stregoneria is that of sorcery, a magical craft that was originally part of Stregheria, the Old Religion. I believe stregoneria predated Christianity, but over the centuries has taken on elements of Catholicism enough to make it something different than it was originally.

I should comment that I do view contemporary stregoneria as a "folk system" because it has been contaminated with Christian material. However, I differentiate it from popular folk magic and folk healer traditions, which I view as the tradition of common people with no lineage to Paganism and/or Witchcraft. I do not know if that is clear enough. As far as "violence" goes, well, please do not get me started on the violence committed against Witches and their beliefs/practices at the hands of Catholic society.

One of the problems with common folklore (from which modern folk traditions arise) is that the original tales were manipulated and transformed by certain authors of the 18th century. This brought about a change in the core and flavor of the original folktales. More significantly it altered the social history that was the soil for contemporary folk traditions. It is the altered material that dominated the academic view well into the 1970s. It is also the altered tales that influenced the views of common people who read or heard such tales from infancy. This is one of the reasons why the oral accounts of Witches that were gathered by 19th century folklorists differs from that of the common population. The Witches were preservers of their older inner traditions, while the common folk were subjected to revised material that changed according to each teller.

Another problem with common traditions is that priests used elements of it as part of their sermons in order to draw in the peasantry. We can only guess at how contrived these retold tales were, and what political gain profited the teller. In such a light, popular lore is clearly unreliable as a standard by which to judge anything else, and yet this is the data used by modern scholars.