Atlantis

[MistOfTheSea86]

I need all the info. I can get! Pour it all on me!

[Socharis]

It sank into the sea.
it is perhaps the link to the old world, for example the egyptians chinese, aztecs all have similar features of astrology and temple alianments at one date. to do this they would have needed contact with a civilization.
The Atlantians wew the link they were a traveling and exploring race, they spread this information.
Some scientists think they have found it in the antartic, contrary to popular beliefs it didnt sink it was covered in ice at a glaciation(ice age), but there are lots of different stories.

Hope thats ok.

[Mairwen]

Tayler Caldwell wrote a beautiful book about Atlantis. It's worth the read. It's all fiction, but she wrote it at the age of 12 and says it's all based upon memory.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Yeppers I will thanx for the Info. My B-day is coming up soon so i will ask for ir! OR you could be nice and get it for me? JKJKJKJK8O

[Mairwen]

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Remember to look for it in adult fiction.

[MistOfTheSea86]

I am going to read this book!

[Socharis]

Why do you need all this info?

[MistOfTheSea86]

I have some sort of wierd Connection to Atlantis, go check out my Thread in just Talk clled Cool and Scary and you will see why.

[Socharis]

Ok i will do :D

[Draedon]

There are fragments of the 'Atlantis' legend in almost every culture around the world. This suggests, but does not prove, that the legend is based on a very ancient truth that was known by the forebears of each of these cultures.

Our main source of information on the legendary Atlantis is the written account by the Greek philosopher Plato. Plato writes about Atlantis as an advanced civilisation that was destroyed in a huge volcanic cataclysm about 11,600 years ago. The evidence suggests that there was indeed a volcanic cataclysm 11,600 years ago, and that it was this event that triggered the ending of the Pleistocene Ice Age at that time.

From http://www.atlan.org/faq/index.html:

As many myths describe it, the Flood was caused by a giant submarine volcanic explosion that stirred up the seas, sending them over the continents. So, the waters reached up to the summit of the loftiest mountains, killing all life in their way. The colossal volcanic explosion also covered the skies with cinders and evaporated water, so that, it indeed, "rained for 40 days and 40 nights" and the skies were dark and gloomy for a long time. The event occurred some 11,600 years ago, and caused the end of the Pleistocene or, more exactly, of its last glacial episode.

So we can imagine Atlantis was first shaken by the nearby volcanic activity, causing many buildings to collapse, then it was hit by the surge of flood water, causing further destruction and drowning the inhabitants. The sky turned dark with the cinders thrown up into the air, and as the flood waters receded they revealed a ruin where once had stood the great city of Atlantis. Then, as the polar ice caps melted, warmed by the volcanic activity, the sea level rose some 100 to 150 meters, and the low-lying ruined Atlantis was lost beneath the waves.

As far as the location of Atlantis is concerned, we must begin by marking out all the areas that are now beneath the sea level, but were then above the sea level. Atlantis, though known as the 'sunken continent' could not literally have sunk. It is more realistic to presume that Atlantis was lost beneath the waves as the sea level rose, as has already been explained. This leaves a vast band of 'Atlantis' all around the globe, and explains why so many cultures remember this event. Either every culture truly retains an element of the one Atlantian legend, or else they have simply all recounted the ending of this last Ice Age. Huge areas of land were lost beneath the sea all around the globe at this time, and any number of settlements may have been destroyed. It is hard to believe in 'Atlantis', knowing that so many civilisations must have been lost at the same time. The only way to know once and for all will be to find Atlantis.

There are two convincing theories concerning the location of Atlantis. One indicates the South China Sea (between Australia and Asia), and the other indicates Santorin (previously called Thera) in the Eastern Mediterranean. The former is furthered by the research of Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos at http://www.atlan.org, who holds that the South China Sea would be the most plausible location. However, the theory that Atlantis was located in the Eastern Mediterranean is much more likely, as this would allow Atlantis to be between Egypt (where the Africanus Australopithecus evolved) and Iraq/Iran (where the first Caucasians evolved). This would support the mythological references to Atlantis as a society where these two races learnt to live in harmony, seeing their differences as equal and opposite complimentary polarities.

Although the cataclysm is reported to have wiped out about 70% of all life on Earth, mankind prevailed, and before Atlantis was destroyed much of their knowledge and wisdom had begun to spread. It is also maintained in legend that the Atlantians foresaw their destruction, and sent messengers out to educate the fledgling civilisations of the world, so that 'Atlantis' would not be truly lost. It was, according to these legends, from the teachings of these messengers, as well as the spreading of the Atlantian knowledge by word of mouth in myth and legend, that all sciences and religions were first established.

Atlantis is a myth about a place which may or may not have once existed, many thousands of years ago, but Atlantis is more than a myth - it is a dream. It is a dream about a society that works, one where everyone has their place. Maybe Atlantis is a myth about a place that once existed, maybe it is a myth about a place that never existed, maybe it is a myth about a place that could exist in the future....

From Terry Pratchett "The Carpet People":

We must go to Ware. It's where we all began, in a way. It's where people first realized that there may be a better way of doing things than hitting one another on the head.

[Socharis]

cheers draedon, your full of knowledge. i cant soak it up fast enough.

[MistOfTheSea86]

I knew most of that information, but some I didn't like the two most plausible place I was hearing so many different theories on the subject, Thanx! I for one believe Atalntis Existed. I have my reasons for believing so.

[Draedon]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
I knew most of that information, but some I didn't like the two most plausible place I was hearing so many different theories on the subject, Thanx! I for one believe Atalntis Existed. I have my reasons for believing so.

If you don't mind my asking, why the interest in Atlantis? You can PM me if you wish.

[Sequoia]

all I can tell you about Atlantis is some memories I have. I believe a past life of mine was there.

From what I remember, it was a great war of one kind or another that destroyed Atlantis, Lemuria, and one other place. . . and it all ended in some kind of cataclysmic explosion that would probably seem equivilent to a volcano blast.

It would be considered a very advanced society. . . a lot of energy work and such. . . crystals but technology too. . . and that everything fell extremely far after the war, to the point where it was a lost legacy.

I'm not the supreme knowlage on it but that's what I remember, along those lines. And there was a counsil, but with a sort of figurehead empress. And that overall it was a good society but that it became corrupt, and then the war and stuffs. . . This is the kind of stuffs that I remember anyways. No hard facts or the like, but. . . *shrugs*

Hope that's of any help. I've also heard people's theories that it was a society like ancient Greece or Rome, except with far better sea-faring abilities. In my memories it pre-dates Ancient Egypt, but others theorize that it existed at the same time as ancient Greece or ancient Egypt. I could always be wrong hehe. There's a LOT of elements of Atlantis (that I remember) in modern societies, all the way from the ancient societies too. It's interesting.

Anyways, I'm rambling hehe. Hope I've given you another viewpoint! ^_~

~Puma Hime

[Happydog]

It is believed that the Atlanteans were a seafaring race. We all know that, right?

Well. There is an ancient map that was discovered in the 1700s in the Palace at Topkapi. This is called the Piri Reis map, after the man who used it, a Turkish admiral. The map was made in 1513 or so. Like all maps were in those days, it was copied from older maps, since there was really no such thing as cartography per se.

The odd thing about this map is that it shows Antarctica.

Which nobody had been to in 1513.

And it shows the outline of Antarctica as it looked BEFORE IT WAS COVERED WITH ICE.

*Somebody* made that map, and Admiral Reis admitted in his writings long ago that he compiled his map by copying other, much older, maps.

But the last time Antarctica was *not* covered with ice was 14,000 years ago. Look at that number again: FOURTEEN THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

That was supposedly before Man even had the ability to sail great distances. Leave alone go to Antarctica, which was not even discovered until 1818. And how was it that whoever this was plotted an accurate outline of the coast of Antarctica before it was covered with ice?

Go here and read more:

http://www.survive2012.com/pirireismap.html

So, basically, who were the people who were able to make an amazingly accurate map, based on what appears to be an aerial survey of Antarctica when it wasn't covered with ice, 14,000 years ago?

[Sequoia]

is there a copy of this map?

[Happydog]

Yes, and here it is again:

http://www.survive2012.com/pirireismap.html

[Myst]

Wow Draedon thanks for the info.

Interesting map happydog (both times) ;)

[Sequoia]

^^; thanks

[~**foxglove**~]

There are a huge variety of takes on where Atlantis was located, and, of course, if it existed. I briefly studied it this year at school and one of the many beliefs is that the fabled Atlantis is in fact, Minoan Crete.

As I am merely running on memory here, I won't be particularly specific, but will just outline what I recall (I'm sorry if it's a bit fragmented.)

Crete is obviously an island in the Mediterranean sea, and was home to one of the earliest known advanced civilisations - the Minoans. They were, if you like, predecessors to the Greeks, as were the Mycenaeans, who later took over Crete after the eruption of Mt Thera and the distruction it caused. The Minoans were one of the few societies known to have held women in a reasonably high regard, and in fact the origin of some familiar gods such as Poseidon, the 'earth shaker' can be found in their society. They also had a particular religious fascination with bulls, which relates to tales about the people of Atlantis. It is reinforced by a particularly famous fresco of bull-leapers in the palace of Knossos. (One of the major palaces on the island.)

Knossos, and the Minoan culture, are two of the main reasons why it is suggested that Crete is Atlantis. The wealth and advancement of the society were particularly high. If you can, look up any images of the remains of the palace of Knossos - it is quite amazing given that this society were at their height between 3000-2000BC.

Another interesting point is that the palaces themselves were located through the legend of the Minotaur in the Maze. When you look at the elaborate layout of the palace, it makes perfect sense that this could be mistaken for some kind of 'maze'.

The reason for the belief that this is Atlantis has a lot to do with particularly ambiguities in how long ago Plato claimed that this place existed. Some interpretations point to around the time that this eruption on Thera occured and the sudden disappearance of the Minoan civilisation. Research of Knossos and other palaces on the island show that they had in fact sustained earthquake damage over a hundred year period, but rebuilt, but were finally destroyed with the eruption of Thera. Which meant the inclusion of a tidal wave = swallowed by the sea.

It's fascinating... who can really say?

[TheTheologin]

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Mythology_and_Folklore/Folklore/Legends/Lost_Continent_of_Atlantis/

There's a whole list of site with info at this URL

[xjsjaglvr]

Many mainstream historians now believe that the story of Atlantis is an Allegorical tale. A more modern example would be Alice in Wonderland, which was really a political satire of its day, much as Gullivers Travels was.
Jag

[Demeter]

I am an avowed skeptic on the subject of Atlantis. If you believe, or want to believe, in Atlantis, read no further.

Barbara Walker's Book of Sacred Stones has a chapter titled The True History of Atlantis. I think it is required reading for every Atlantean reincarnate wannabe.

Atlantis started as a traveler's tale told by the Egyptians. The first and ONLY information we have on it is from Plato, who used the bare bones of the third-hand story as the basis for an allegory, adding colorful details. And so it has continued. With every retelling, Atlantis becomes further in the past, with more fantastic science-fiction details of its culture, and in more and more unlikely locations. If it has made it all the way to the South China Sea, it has either gotten hopelessly confused with Mu, or some further story will put it in the Indian Ocean, then back to the Red Sea and up into the Mediterranean, and Atlantis will have made a round-the-world trip. The supposed additional details are added from dreams and visions of seers such as Edgar Cayce, whose devotees treat them as gospel.

What we know is that on the Island of Thera, now known as Santorini, west of Crete, there was a city built on the slopes of a volcano. The city bore distinct resemblances to the original description of Atlantis, and was undoubtedly an advanced civilization by the standards of the time. They didn't have energy rays or flying vehicles, though. The volcano blew up, destroying the city and swamping other cities all along the coast of the Eastern Mediterranean. This was undoubtedly a catastrophe, and spawned myths and legends in many cultures. The remaining parts of the city were discovered some years ago, and are now being thorougly excavated and explored by archaeologists.

Here's a link for more information.

http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~btcarrol/skeptic/atlantis.html

[Sequoia]

Very interesting, Demeter ^_^

. . . although I still belive in the "fantasy/sci-fi" version hehe. I don't personally belive that it was contemporary with ancient Greece. I think it goes a lot further back. A lot further back.

[Demeter]

Dinosaurs with completely biodegradeable technology, perhaps?

[Happydog]

//They didn't have energy rays or flying vehicles, though. //

Dangit!! Next thing you'll be telling me that there is no Yeti and that the Nazca Plains drawings aren't landing indications for flying saucers!!!

[Demeter]

Well, I sorta hope there is at least a breeding pair of Yeti. (I am a cryptozoology buff.) But the jury's still out.

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by Demeter
Dinosaurs with completely biodegradeable technology, perhaps?

LOL naaah. . . we just took 'em out! hehe BOOOM bye bye dinos, we want the planet! ^_~ hehe


seriously, though. . . I think that everyone would remember Atlantis differently. I mean . . no two people lived exactly the same lives, in exactly the same places. For all we know, Altanis was this huge continent with several different cultures crammed in. There might've been some higher-tech areas, and some really low tech areas. Some places with different religious beliefs. The same as here in America. Ten thousand years from now someone might remember San Fransico in winter, and someone might remember a rural town in Oklahoma in the middle of a record heat wave, and who's to say they'd figure out that it was the same continent? They prolly wouldn't.

So I guess. . . nobody really knows. I wonder if anyone ever will.

[Happydog]

Whether or not it existed, I agree with xjsjag above that it's a great allegory. A society of people whose civilization progressed faster than their hearts, misuses the gift of an ultimate power and falls to ruin. There's a reason people get interested in Atlantis these days...

Jimi Hendrix devoted a whole album side on "Electric Ladyland" to a fantasy he had about leaving the war-torn world, and going beneath the sea to a peaceful Atlantean undersea world. "1983...A Merman I Should Turn To Be." Which shows us that if nothing else, Atlantis has been the source of a lot of great creative art, all using the allegorical material the story provides.

So if there was an Atlantis, their legend serves as a lesson to us. If there wasn't, we can still be proud of the amazing wisdom of the people who invented the tale, who could see the danger that humanity would face and warn them of it.

So with me the jury is still out on Atlantis. I have no proof, but regardless I think that it is important that we tell the tales. The tales are what's important, what separates us from the people who want everyone to be compliant machines, from the industrialized society that threatens to consume us.

The tales break rank with "reality" and open up a door to a world of possibilities, possibilities that go far beyond the goals of materialism. In short the tales have the ability to open up the mind, and that openmindedness, that willingness to believe in something better than the gray metal drone of the materialist world, is something we need right now more than ever.

Those tales may keep us from destroying ourselves as a species if we listen to them.

[Sequoia]

word, dude. Word.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Happydog
Whether or not it existed, I agree with xjsjag above that it's a great allegory. A society of people whose civilization progressed faster than their hearts, misuses the gift of an ultimate power and falls to ruin. There's a reason people get interested in Atlantis these days...

Jimi Hendrix devoted a whole album side on "Electric Ladyland" to a fantasy he had about leaving the war-torn world, and going beneath the sea to a peaceful Atlantean undersea world. "1983...A Merman I Should Turn To Be." Which shows us that if nothing else, Atlantis has been the source of a lot of great creative art, all using the allegorical material the story provides.

So if there was an Atlantis, their legend serves as a lesson to us. If there wasn't, we can still be proud of the amazing wisdom of the people who invented the tale, who could see the danger that humanity would face and warn them of it.

So with me the jury is still out on Atlantis. I have no proof, but regardless I think that it is important that we tell the tales. The tales are what's important, what separates us from the people who want everyone to be compliant machines, from the industrialized society that threatens to consume us.

The tales break rank with "reality" and open up a door to a world of possibilities, possibilities that go far beyond the goals of materialism. In short the tales have the ability to open up the mind, and that openmindedness, that willingness to believe in something better than the gray metal drone of the materialist world, is something we need right now more than ever.

Those tales may keep us from destroying ourselves as a species if we listen to them.


*awe* Word... Word...