I believe a friend of mine has done some bad...

[SamuraiInBlack]

And I would like some advice on what to do.

A dispute had occured a few moments ago with a friend and myself, and she is Wiccan. Well, at least she claims to be, but my girlfriend and I have reason to believe she's one of those "trendy" ones. Y'know the kind I mean, where they say they're a witch but they rarely follow the Rede or they do things that hurt themselves or others.

In said dispute it is believed that she may have cast a spell over me and my girlfriend because we had both told her to basically get out of our lives because we want nothing to do with her. The reason being is because she drinks to the point of getting drunk, and blames her roudiness on her PMS, which seems to happen almost everyday, despite her claim she hasn't had her period in four months.

She's cast spells on people without their permission in the past, which probably explains why half of her life has gone down the toilet. But, as I said before, my girlfriend and I are concerned that perhaps in a fit of rage she has done the stereotypical "cursing" upon us. We would like to know what the signs are of said magicks being cast over us, and what we can do to protect ourselves in our own defenses.

[Mairwen]

Why is it assumed that not following the Rede and casting spells on folks without their permission is a BAD thing? *sigh*

*wonders off in search of ... something*:o

[Rævyn Cigány]

I agree with Mairwen, but if the spell is cast to hurt you then I suggest you bone up on your shielding skills...try to imagine a bubble of protection around yourself, pushing away the negativity...I'm not that great at it myself, but you might be better at it if you gave it a shot...i will try and send good vibes your way, if that will make you feel any better. Good luck!

BB

Rae )0(

[rantnraven]

Sorry I took so long - had to find a phone both to change in. :D

If the spell was cast in a drunken stuper - and it sounds as such - worry not. Energy cannot be focused in such a state.

Know that your path is true and seek protection in that.

I have always been taught that the use of magick on another without there acknowledgment could give cause to misinterpretation and, thus, harm. Sorry Mairwyn - up-bringing, you know.

Young Witch, fear NOT this proclaimed Wiccan. Three-fold will fall where due. She has no power over those who are true to their path in this state of mind.

Let it pass and think of it not.

You will do well.

I have drawn a card for you: the 8 of Spears: You may have fallen upon some hard times/situations but, you are strong. A swath of thick brush and "pot-holes" has presented itself. However, you WILL prevail so long as you do not deviate from your current path. A good future awaits you.

Blessings,
RnR

[gunner]

the raven and rae have both given good advice, from what i've seen over the years there are some witches, male and female, around that do have powers and can do things but they are fewer than those who claim to have power and none of those who actually have powers are the sort you describe this person as. wielding any sort of power requires discipline and self control before one can control anything else. characteristics "drunks" are not noted for, if she has attempted to "curse" you it has likely already backfired on her. along with rae's suggestion if you have a sword lay it out in front of you, hilt towards you blade pointing outwards and meditate on it asking mithras to guard you and yours as you try to go your way in peace.

[Dragonmother]

Why is it assumed that not following the Rede and casting spells on folks without their permission is a BAD thing?
Mairwen, because one of the few basic truths is that power corrupts. This is not merely in the sense that the drive for power urges humans to behave in uncivil ways, but also in the physical sense. Energy coursing along a path destroys the pathway. Feet walking along a path wear the path down. Rivers dig their beds deeper, electrical wire corrodes. Stuff has to be repaired, you know?
It's not whether you wish to follow the rede- the rede will follow you.

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Dragonmother

Mairwen, because one of the few basic truths is that power corrupts. This is not merely in the sense that the drive for power urges humans to behave in uncivil ways, but also in the physical sense. Energy coursing along a path destroys the pathway. Feet walking along a path wear the path down. Rivers dig their beds deeper, electrical wire corrodes. Stuff has to be repaired, you know?
It's not whether you wish to follow the rede- the rede will follow you.

I really don't believe this line of thinking... Not all Wiccans even follow the Wiccan Rede; much less other pagan paths. One can not tell someone who doesn't believe or follow the Wiccan Rede that the Rede rules their life wether they like it or not.

See the thread in Political Pagan on this subject to see a more indepth discussion.

Kaylara

[Wyrdsister]

Hello Samurai,

Wow, I'm really impressed with everyone's feedback on this question! RnR, gunner, Rae: you've gone out of your way to help! :)

Samurai I am just curious: why do you and your girlfriend feel that your "friend" may have cast a spell on you two? Is it something you've noticed, something she's said to either of you... ? Not having a whole lot of experience with spells, I am interested in any effect you may be feeling.

On a "non-witchy" note, you and your girlfriend have a right to be friends with whom you want as well as the right not be friends with whom you don't want - you don't have to justify it to us or anyone! :) Though I do understand how you feel about this person - she sounds very distructive, both to herself and to others (directly or indirectly), spells or no spells!

I don't think I have anythings else to add that someone hasn't already. :) You and your girlfriend have the power to filter the energy that enters into your lives, to let in what you want and keep out what you don't want. I'm sure you will both be fine in this situation! And hey, I'm officially giving you the authority to never answer this person's calls again! (not that you need the authority from anyone other than yourselves!! :D )

Merry Met,

Wyrdsister

[Semele]

My advice should you choose to accept it would be for you and your girlfriend to light a candle for this fallen friend. There was obviously some quality she has that attracted you to her in the first place. Try to remember it and think of it when you light her candle. A fallen friend is a friend still. It sounds to me like she could use some positive energy headed her way. I tend to believe that positive energy sent forth will cancel any negative she may have sent your way. If you focus on that then you wont have time to worry over any problems she may send to you. Use love to battle anger and spiteful ways. This is my mantra and it works well for me! Good luck!

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by rantnraven
Sorry I took so long - had to find a phone both to change in. :D


LMAO! 8O8O8O


If the spell was cast in a drunken stuper - and it sounds as such - worry not. Energy cannot be focused in such a state.

Agreed!


I have always been taught that the use of magick on another without there acknowledgment could give cause to misinterpretation and, thus, harm. Sorry Mairwyn - up-bringing, you know.

Of course, it all goes along with what you've taught. But not ALL spellcasting for/to/against/with/because of someone isn't always BAD.

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Dragonmother
Mairwen, because one of the few basic truths is that power corrupts. {{snippage}}It's not whether you wish to follow the rede- the rede will follow you.

According to your Path. Not mine.

[magicbabs]

I have had a woman pay a rootman to cast spells on me for well over a year and a half. One of my seers found the problem when I approached him with concern about me being out of synch. I was not in the flow of things. I was dropping things, having fights with an ex-boyfriend that I was trying to set up a friendship with. Car accidents.....tickets for speeding when I KNEW I was not speeding....the list goes on and on.

I was told it was allowed to happen to me in order to accept my gifts and USE them. I was taught how to protect myself with the "BUBBLE" mentioned earlier in this thread.

The BUBBLE really works, but you MUST reinforce it on a regular basis. At least, I have to reinforce it several times per week.

Pam is still having spell work cast on me, because of her insecurities. And I surrounded her with mirrors to reflect the garbage back to her. The moment I surrounded her with mirrors - all kinds of nasty stuff hit her. It was nasty stuff she sent to me.

However, I would suggest being careful with mirrors TOO!!!

My friend says to transmute(her words not mine) the stuff she sends to me and send her LOVE!!! Well, I haven't gotten to the sending her love point....yet.

Opps Gotta go,
Babs

[Xois]

She can not TAKE power over you...only YOU (and your friend) can give her power over you! So simply stop beliving in her power!

then she will not have any over you! :D

Just walk away...you are adding fuel to her fire...

[Xois]

Yeah, I don't follow the Rede since I am not Wiccan...I don't meddle with people, but that is becuase I like to keep my circle of interaction very VERY small...

I like the golden rule, though...and I like crowley's Love is the law, love under will..thingy...

I also don't believe in sending magick out...I believe that magick is a tool of personal strenght and healing...so why woudl I bother sending that type of stuff out...

If I cast a spell becuase I :need: more money, than I cast a spell on myself to be diligent with my spending...and POOF! I suddenly have more money! ;) works every time! And boy do i have to renew this one often!!!

Hey, these are just my opinions...I don't hold the "ultimate" book of truth or anything! :)

Xois

[Xois]

Hey what is your path?! :)

[mol]

This thead is going on/off topic quite a bit. This thread is not about if someone's Path recognizes, acknowledges, or follows the Rede.

Obviously, SamuraiInBlack's Path does recognize the Rede, so advice should be given with that in mind.

Instead I have read some 'Going back and forth' about mine doesnt...yours should...mine does...

Please keep the posts on Topic. Thanks.

[Mairwen]

Originally posted by Xois
Hey what is your path?! :)

Hey, silly. Read my signature line! LOL! I'm a Gwyddon. :D

[Spirahl]

I'm not Wiccan- I believe in the Kharma concept- a simple Law of Return- what's sent comes back.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry much about it if I was in your place. I think someone who would do such an undisciplined and negative thing would not likely have that much "power"- which is probably why they feel a need to keep insisting to everyone that they do by throwing around curses like it's a parlour-trick.
I've had two friends be the victim of a curse. As soon as they realized what was going on, and had other friends focus thoughts of protection towards them, and binding thoughts towards the persons doing the curse, the curses lost all power.