North Nodes - our soul's agenda

[RedRose]

North/South Node work is my favorite thing. However, it is not an easy area because it pushes us to change and learn. When doing horoscopes for people who are not particularly on a spirtual growth path, I have learned to talk about the North Node very lightly and gradually. When the person is an elder, I might not mention it at all, because who wants to learn that they forgot to do what they were suppose to do this life and who am I to tell someone such a thing?

Again our North and South Nodes are an opposition. Whatever sign your North Node is in, your South Node is in the opposite sign (Aries-Libra, Taurus-Scorpio, Gemini-Sagittarius, Cancer-Capricorn, Leo-Aquarius, Virgo-Pisces...or vice versa, Libra-Aries, Scorpio-Taurus and so forth).

Your North Node is where your soul is trying to go, what it is here to learn this life and your South Node is where your soul has achieved some mastery in past lives.

Thus if you have an Aquairus North Node this life, you have a Leo South Node and you were probably a King, a Queen, or a Rock Star, or other famous public person in your past life or lives. You have charisma and you kind of expect everyone to simply "get that" about you and respond to your powers. Problem is, all those great Leo skills don't work for you this life. You have them, you are good at them, but they don't work anymore because your soul wants to learn NEW skills and evolve.

With an Aquarius North Node, you need to learn how to do group, not worry about shining as an individual. You are here to be an innovator, to be a paradigm shifter, a non-leader leader, to develop deep friendships, to fight authoritarianism and egotism. You still get to be special, but only by understanding that everyone is special and by dedicating yourself to win/win/win dynamics.

So look at your chart and find your North Node. Start by just considering the sign it is in. We will consider what Houses your Nodes are in a bit later. Whatever sign it is in, your South Node is in the opposite sign. What do you see?

RedRose

[Sylv]

Ok, I'll play. No clue what I'm doing though! :D
North Node: Taurus (a bit Aries too)
South Node: Scorpio (I'm assuming with a bit of Libra thrown in)

In the past, I was good at being mysterious. ;) I've mastered how to keep secrets, and grudges (both true), and have a finely toned ability to manipulate, which I think is fine. Manipulation is not a dirty word! Of course, I also have the habit and keeping parts of me sectioned off from everyone-I don't feel comfortable exposing certain things to daylight. I was reading and it was mentioned Scorpios may have a 'thing' for death (physical or just major changes)....I'm comfortable in cemetaries (really like them, actually) and it's easy for me to change things in my life. In fact, it's more of a necessity-I'm a military brat, and love moving. It seems like I've picked up a lot of habits....I think the Libra comes in in that I'm good at sweet-talking people into liking me (goes along with manipulation) and I'm a bit obsessive about relationships in this life. *pouts* It annoys me that I've never had a boyfriend.
So that's where I'm coming from.
As to where I'm going-Taurus with a bit of Aries. Those would be my moon and sun signs, respectively. As RedRose already said,
Taurus North Node folk are here to create exquisite intimacy, to radiate high values, to create stable environments, cozy homes and worlds, and model ethical prosperity.
Hmmm....as nice as mysteriousness is, it's not exactly cozy. ;) I probably need to work on making people feel more comfortable around me (people tell me I'm intimidating, but I try not to be-it's silly what some people are intimidated by!). The intimacy I'm here to create seconds the idea of no secrets. I've already started doing that....I don't think anyone knows *all* of me, but the people I love know a lot. A cozy world-well, I'd like to be a diplomat so it'd be nice to stabilize the planet! The Aries bit implies I should be willing to be a leader, probably be a leader in creating coziness!!! *grin* That's all I have-this is fun. :D

[banondraig]

hmm, i'm the opposite of sylv. nn scorpio, w/uranus on the same degree, sn taurus. venus is also hanging out near nn, 2 degrees away. so i need to learn how to be mysterious, manipulative, & be ok w/death & change? i guess especially change, due to uranus.

i do have a horrible jealous streak, which i try to keep to myself. not that that works. although i'm not proud of it, i have been known to "back-stab" rivals in subtle ways. the uranus being there i'm sure is important, but in the context of scorpio & conjunction w/venus, i'm a little overwhelmed trying to sort out all that information. maybe i'm supposed to learn to be kinky in this life? :huh: :bigredblu :shhhh:

[Autumn Clair]

Hi RedRose,
Do we look at the Houses or Signs. You described my Houses it was in. But My north node is 02' in Pisces and that would make it Pisces and Virgo. Can you tell me that? Plus one more thing. My first House is in two signs Mostly Capricorn and the rest in Aquarius.Don't you have to look at both signs then?

[RedRose]

Yes, you guys have got the method here. According to astrology, your soul is here to develop the positive traits of your Node North sign and let go of the negative traits of your South Node signs. It is great for the purpose of comparison that you two have flipped Nodes too.

From Jan Spiller's "Astrology For the Soul":

North Node in Taurus
ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Loyalty

Awareness of boundaries

Taking things one step at a time

A sense of self worth

Awareness of personal values

Patience

Honoring expressed needs of self and other

Enjoying the 5 physical senses

Gratitude

Awareness of nurturing from Mother Earth

Forgiveness

Persistence

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Attraction to crisis situations

Overconcern with other people's business

Impatience

Inappropriate intensity

Judgemental tendancies

Preoccupations with the psychological motivations of others

Resistance to cooperating with what other people want

Overreacting

Destroying something in order to eliminate one part

Obsessive-compulsive tendancies

NN in Scorpio
ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Self-discipline

Choosing constructive change

Releasing whatever causes stagnation and low energy

Eliminating non-useful possessions

Enjoying things without having to own them

Accepting support from others (ideas, money, opportunities)

Enjoying high-risk situations that make one feel alive

Awareness of other's psychology (their desires, wants, needs and motives)

Openess to partnering, supporting, and merging power with others

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Attachment to comfort and the status quo

Possessiveness

Overconcern with accumulation and ownership

Questioning past decisions

Stubborness

Getting bogged down in sensual appetites

Repeatedly doing things one way (the hard way) even though another way is easier

Resistance to change and other people's imput

RedRose

[Kadynas]

From Jan Spiller's "Astrology For the Soul":

I love that book! Don't have it anymore though...must've lost it when I moved. However I still have a copy of her "New Moon Astrology" which has a section on the Nodes.
My North Node is 04 Libra (/very loosely/ conjunct Pluto at 14 Libra), and South Node is at 04 Aries across the 4th and 10th houses... Per Jan Spiller, Libra North Node people are: Learning to relax their focus on personal survival, Challenged with a tendency to project their standards onto others, Learning tac and diplomacy, Overcoming self-consciousness by learning to focus their attention on others, Learning to be sensitive to the feelings of others, Discovering the strength of teamwork.

I would mostly agree with this, however the thing that puzzles me is that my Sun, while not conjunct my south node, is also in Aries...so pretty much I'm supposed to be moving opposite of my basic nature?? :lol: Also I'll be interested when you get to house interpretation, since my north node is in the 4th, which would seem to put more of an emphasis on family life, while sometimes I think that I'm too dependent on my family and need to break away. I also do not plan on having any children (and I have the moon in the 4th! :lol: ) so I tend to be more focused on my career and my upcoming marriage than the traditional family issues. In short I totally agree that I need to work with Libra issues, but I'm not sure how the 4th and 10th houses fit into this for someone like me - a balance of family and career? Or should I be leaning towards one or the other? The only thing that seems to strike me is that I would love to work for myself at home... :)

[~*Ginger*~]

Your North Node is where your soul is trying to go, what it is here to learn this life and your South Node is where your soul has achieved some mastery in past lives.

Ok, my NN is Virgo & SN is Pisces.
I do have alot of persnickey Virgo tenances, like details and perfection.
To the point of making myself crazy.

So, I'm suppose to be going opposite of my sun sign (Pisces)?
No wonder I feel like a fish out of water at times...

And I also wonder if this may have alot to do with an attraction with Virgo's being friends & lovers.

[Valkie]

So... here's one for you. I looked into karmic astrology at one time... confused the hell out of me for this simple reason.

The site that I went to said that the sun placement in karmic also indicated where we needed our soul to grow and to focus our attention of developing the better qualities of that sign. I've got a Taurus sun & SN in Taurus. nope... couldn't figure that one out

Valerie

[RedRose]

Dear All,

Having your Sun in the sign of your South Node isn't that different from being a Full Moon baby, where your Sun and Moon are in opposition. When in doubt, do it all.

Or another way to look at it is, that it is time to practice the good qualities of your Sun and South Node and really let go of those bad/extreme traits, while also learning the positive North Node traits.

For instance, Kadynas is a go getter Aries, but she needs this life to develop Libra partnership and mediation abilities as well, drop the ego driven Aries thing. Flora is a magical and sensitive Pisces, who is here to bring order out of chaos, and be of service and healing. Valkie needs to create strong Taurus values and earn by the sweat of his brow, but he also needs to be a sorcerer and learn how to manifest ala Scorpio.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Dear Autumn Clair,

Pisces North Node by Jan Spiller
ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Being non-judgemental

Compassion

Surrendering anxiety to a Higher Power

Freeing the mind through meditation and self-reflection

Focusing on the spiritual path

Trusting in positive outcomes

Acknowledging connection with the universe

Welcoming change

TENDANCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Hyperanxiety reactions

Overanalysis

Obsessive worry

Exaggerating the importance of details

Critical first reactions

Fault finding - making others wrong

Excessive anxiety over making mistakes

Being Ms. or Mr. Perfect

Staying in unpleasant situations

Inflexibilty


RedRose

[RedRose]

According to Jan Spiller, "Astrology For the Soul"

Taurus North Node folk were often the top consort and advisor of a powerful person in their past lives. They long to merge completely with someone but this life they need to develop autonomy and self empowerment before they can experience true union. They need to control their own resources, not manipulate or misuse their powers, spend more time understanding themselves and less time psychologically delving into others.

Scorpio North Node folk, according to Jan Spiller, come into this life too stuck in their ways. They need to learn to let go, listen to other's opinions, be less stubborn and be less attached to owning and accumulating stuff. They want money, but need to learn how to manifest and use other people's resources, and welcome help and support from others.

Pisces North Node folk spent many past lives as healers, doctors and nurses. They had to "do it right" and not make mistakes but this life they need to be more mystical and practice faith.

Virgo North Node people have an innate awareness of the spiritual realms from their past lives, and higher realms. This life they need to focus on this realm, the here and now, creating order out of chaos and being a healing force.

RedRose

[Autumn Clair]

I'm the opposite of Flora. I have a N Node in Pisces and South Node in Virgo. Hey, Flora

[RedRose]

Hi RedRose,
Do we look at the Houses or Signs. You described my Houses it was in. But My north node is 02' in Pisces and that would make it Pisces and Virgo. Can you tell me that? Plus one more thing. My first House is in two signs Mostly Capricorn and the rest in Aquarius.Don't you have to look at both signs then?

Dear Autumn Clair,

The Sign that the North Node is in shows us "what" we need to develop this life to forward our souls. The House shows us "where" in our life we need to especially work on manifesting these qualities. So an Aquarius NN person is here to drop being center stage, fight egotism, and facilitate group process, and win/win/win (non-dualistic) dynamics.

If her NN is in the 10th House, that is a career thing. If it is in the 3rd House, she needs to communicate it or teach it. In the 8th House, she does it in more magical, mystical, wizard ways.

RedRose

[Autumn Clair]

Dear Autumn Clair,

Pisces North Node by Jan Spiller
ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Being non-judgemental

Compassion

Surrendering anxiety to a Higher Power

Freeing the mind through meditation and self-reflection

Focusing on the spiritual path

Trusting in positive outcomes

Acknowledging connection with the universe

Welcoming change

TENDANCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Hyperanxiety reactions

Overanalysis

Obsessive worry

Exaggerating the importance of details

Critical first reactions

Fault finding - making others wrong

Excessive anxiety over making mistakes

Being Ms. or Mr. Perfect

Staying in unpleasant situations

Inflexibilty


RedRose


Thanks your the best

[~*Ginger*~]

Hey, Flora

Hello Autumn Clair!

[Autumn Clair]

Hello Autumn Clair!
Know wonder we keep running into each other. I need to work on being you and you need to work on being me.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

North Node Pisces South Node Virgo ME
North Node Virgo South Node Pisces YOU


:chatty:

[Kadynas]

Wow, I guess I'm not alone! :) Look how many people here have a Sun and South Node in the same sign! :lol:

[~*Ginger*~]

Know wonder we keep running into each other. I need to work on being you and you need to work on being me.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

North Node Pisces South Node Virgo ME
North Node Virgo South Node Pisces YOU


:chatty:
:lol:

That would be something!

[~*Ginger*~]

RedRose, would you post the 'North Node Virgo South Node Pisces' to develope and to leave quailites?

Or is it here & I just missed it.

Hope I'm not pestering you...

your a doll to do all this!

[RedRose]

I have a Capricorn North Node that is conjunct my Venus. With Taurus Rising, Venus is my ruling planet. According to Jan Spiller, Capricorn Rising folk have to fight being dependent this life. We were often cloistered, or very protected in our past lives, by our class status, or by our families, or in convents, or whatever. We need to make goals and work towards them, and become authorities, and be leaders. We are good at this because with Cancer South Nodes, we know how everyone is feeling and we know what people around us really want, and we love helping them get it.

I believe it was Valkie who had Venus conjunct Scorpio North Node. Having a planet conjunct your North Node means that your soul needs to develop the best characteristics of that planet. So creating beauty and harmony are important to Venus conjunct North Node people. My Venus/NN conjunct is in the 8th House in Capricorn, and Valkie's Venus/NN conjunct is in Scorpio, so we both have strong sex tantra mystical sides. Not kinky, just magical. Venus is very romantic.

When you have a planet conjunct your South Node, you need to work of mastering the negative qualities of that planet and also empower yourself with the positive qualities. Someone, as I recall, had Uranus conjunct South Node. This person has been a radical and a paradigm shifter many times in past lives. They are great at that. But they need to resist being radical and shocking just for the hell of it. Rather they must use their power wisely, not misuse their powers.

RedRose

[punxzen]

i got Jan's book =)!

its so great ive been reading it since i picked it up yesterday eve

she notes in her intro that aspects to the north node and south node often play a significant role. so i looked at my chart and remembered that i have a grand trine between my north node at 2* cancer, sun at 6* pisces, and saturn at 4* scorpio. they are in the 3rd, 11th, and 7th houses respectively. so its a water grand trine in the air houses. not only that, but it also links the more difficult aspects of my chart (my sun in pisces i consider difficult with my plethora of fire signs). hmmmmmmm im not really sure what to make of that yet...

i did notice something amazing between me and my girl though. she is a scorpio gal with ascending cancer and cancer moon. her north node is in gemini in the 12th house. the 12th house placement seems to place my pisces sunniness in a keen influential position which i hope is very beneficial for her. just as she seems to be exactly perfect for me with my north node in cancer in the third house. i have a great need to be able to trust people with my feelings and she has opened me up to that possibility, though i still feel nervous about sharing with anyone but her. our mutual gemini flavored NN seems to be a common path for us to share together while we grow

peace =)

[RedRose]

Because North Node is not a "thing", like a planet or asteroids, most astrologers wouldn't call it a Grand Trine. Even so, your Pisces Sun and Scorpio Saturn work great together and help your soul's agenda, ala Cancer North Node. And North Node in the 3rd in Cancer is about learning share/communicate your feelings and be vulnerable and accepting of yourself and others. Pisces Sun in the 11th means you are empathic and a paradigm shifter, here to bring in the New World. Saturn in Scorpio in the 7th makes relationships very intense and a bit tough; you need to study and learn about them this life. As you do this work, you gain real mastery, so the older you get, the better at relationship you get as long as you keep on working on it.

Your girlfriend is so empathic and psychic, you mustn't let her make it too easy for you. You need to open up and share (as you seem to be doing), not just depend on her being telepathic....even though she is VERY telepathic. As long as you keep being willing to open to her, and she communcates her deep soul (Gemini NN in 12th), sounds like a truly wonderful relationship!

RedRose

[Sylv]

Taurus North Node folk were often the top consort and advisor of a powerful person in their past lives. They long to merge completely with someone but this life they need to develop autonomy and self empowerment before they can experience true union. They need to control their own resources, not manipulate or misuse their powers, spend more time understanding themselves and less time psychologically delving into others.
Thanks RedRose! *smile* Some of that sounds a lot like me-I definitely 'long to merge completely with someone'. I think I'm autonomous enough! The other stuff I'll have to think on...it's so much fun to analyze others, lol. ;)

[RedRose]

Dear Sylv,

Your North Node isn't suppose to "sound like you", I'm afraid. It is hard, it is how your soul wants to grow and learn. Honestly giving up all attachment to ever finding your soul mate is ironically the fastest way for Taurus NN folk to find their soul-mates, if that is their destiny. Can you be completely happy even if you never meet your ideal partner? When you can say "YES!, Absolutely!", then that is when your partner manifests. Again, North Nodes are difficult. Punxyen has tons of Fire and yet he needs to open up emotionally and be vulnerable, at least with one person. I am here to be independent (Cap. NN) so I joined an Ashram and cloistered myself at age 18 so I wouldn't have to face my North Node! Flora is vastly magical and spiritual, but this life she need to impact the here and now and create order out of chaos. Again North Node is not easy...

RedRose

[SylverStar]

Well My NN is in Leo so that would make my SN Aquarius the same as my sun. You said having a SN the same as your sun was like a moon baby. Is that like having my Moon in Cancer?

NN: What I need to learn is that I do have Charisma and I need to get off my butt and use it. :)

SN: What I need to learn is how to open up to people.

There's probably more, but that's off the top of my head.

[RedRose]

Dear Sylverstar,

Like being a Full Moon baby, having your Sun and Moon in opposition. That would make you an Aquarius Sun, Leo Moon - like me. I will type in the list of Node traits to develop and let go of, from Jan Spiller's book, for your and Flora later today. But buy the book, it has a whole long chapter on every North Node. However, you are on the right track. Leo NN folks need to learn to take center stage, to really shine, to be "out there", to treat life a a game and have fun with it. And you need to work on letting go of the negative Aquarius attributes, while still being a strong Aquarius person. No being aloof, and overly mental and eternally detached all the time, in other words.

RedRose

[SylverStar]

It sounds so easy. :lol:

[RedRose]

North Node in Virgo, from Jan Spiller's book "Astrology For The Soul"

ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Participation

Bringing order out of chaos

Creating routines

Focussing on the here and now

Acting on feelings of compassion

Being of service to others

Analyzing and categorizing

Gaining self-confidence through experience

Moderation

Taking risks in spite of fears

Noticing and valuing details

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Being a victim (or having victim consciousness)

Confusion and disorientation

Avoidance of planning

Escapism (drugs, excessive sleep, daydreaming etc.)

Extremism

Oversensitivity

Self-doubt

Feelings of inadequacy

Withdrawal

Vagueness (not wanting to commit/inaction)

Giving up

[RedRose]

North Node in Leo - Jan Spiller

ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP

Individuality

Willingness to take "center stage"

Following one's heart's desires

Strengthening one's willpower

Enthusiasm

Self-confidence

Taking risks

Relating to the childlike quality in others

Enjoying life - having fun

Looking at life as a game

Developing an "It's up to me" attitude

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Yielding to peer pressure in order to "belong"

Detaching from emotional situations

Aloofness

Waiting for others to prompt one's own action

Waiting for "more" knowledge before taking action

Excessive daydreaming

Running away from confrontation

[SylverStar]

Hmm, looking at that list makes me feel like I have alot ahead of me. :) Good thing I'm only 22. hehe. It seems however I've got most of those Leo trait's down. It's the one's I need to leave behind. Can't we leave those for the next life. :p

[RedRose]

Dear Sylverstar,

The good news is that you will get great positive feedback when you drop the negative Aquarian traits. Again, your scope is so full of contradictions. You are here to do it all, a dash here and a splash there.

RedRose

[~*Ginger*~]

Wow!
Looking at that list I realize that, I've developed alot of those and left alot of those as well.
Of course, I'm still here so there's more to work on... ;)

Thanks RedRose!

[Sylv]

Dear Sylv,
Your North Node isn't suppose to "sound like you", I'm afraid.
RedRose
*laugh* When I said that, I didn't mean the traits I'm supposed to develop. ;) The stuff that sounded like me was the stuff I'm supposed to do less of-I think that's ok?! IE:
Inappropriate intensity, Preoccupations with the psychological motivations of others, Overreacting, Obsessive-compulsive tendancies
Although I'm confused by the idea of inappropriate intensity, lol. Unless it means stalker-like behavior. :foh: Definitely the things I need to work on sound like a challenge.
Honestly giving up all attachment to ever finding your soul mate is ironically the fastest way for Taurus NN folk to find their soul-mates, if that is their destiny. Can you be completely happy even if you never meet your ideal partner? When you can say "YES!, Absolutely!", then that is when your partner manifests.
*chants* I don't need a soul mate, I don't need a soul mate. :hearteyes That is going to take some work. To me, it seems really, really sad to go through life without a partner. Guess that's why I'm supposed to work at it!
I am here to be independent (Cap. NN) so I joined an Ashram and cloistered myself at age 18 so I wouldn't have to face my North Node
Silly question: what's an Ashram?

Thanks for posting that list-the things to develop really struck home. *goes off in search of book*

[RedRose]

Dear Sylv,

An Ashram is a spiritual communtiy usually into yoga and meditation and such. The Eastern version of a convent, though marriage was allowed in the one I joined. So I also married young to avoid having to be independent as well. That was all 30 years ago now.

You know, even for people who don't have Taurus North Nodes, I think truly being unattached to and not needing a life partner tends to aid manifestation. My partner and I were both actively NOT interested in having a relationship when we met. We both were very committed and focussed on getting other aspects of our lives handled before we took anything like that on again. It made for a really humorous courtship because we were both trying to test each other out of the game as fast as we could. Guess we both like tests.

RedRose

[RedRose]

North Node in Aries - Jan Spiller

ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Independence

Self-awareness

Trusting one's impulses

Courage

Constructive self-interest

Moderation in giving

Self-nurturance

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND:

Seeing oneself through others' eyes

Debilitating selflessness

Being Mr. or Ms. Nice

Obsessive attachment to fairness and justice

Co-dependence: attachment to external harmony

"Tit for tat" mentality

[RedRose]

North Node in Libra - Jan Spiller

ATTRIBUTES TO DEVELOP:

Cooperation

Diplomacy and tack

Increasing awareness of others' needs

Selflessness: giving support without expecting reciprocity

Creating win/win situations

Sharing

Seeing things through another's eyes

Communicating self-identity

TENDENCIES TO LEAVE BEHIND

Impulsiveness

Thoughtless self-assertion

Lack of awareness of others' needs for suoport

Self-centeredness

Selfishness

Lack of good judgement regarding money

Expecting others to be like oneself

Indifference to how one is seen by others

Outbursts of anger

Overconcern for survival

[awyrdone]

Greaaat. N Node in leo, 12th. Please Spirit, I don't want to be like Michael Jackson, OK?

[RedRose]

Dear Awyrdone,

Does Michael Jackson have Leo NorthNode in the 12th House?

I listed the Leo NN traits to develop and let go of in this thread, having your NN in the 12th House, however, means that you don't need to be quite as publically dramatic, you can work more behind the scenes.

RedRose

[awyrdone]

I was joking. Thanks. LOL.

[RedRose]

I was joking. Thanks. LOL.

Actually,it would be fun to look at Michael Jackson's chart and transits these days; more fun than watching the media coverage anyway.

RedRose

[Maiden Zafirbel]

is the north node the same as the "true node"??

[Maiden Zafirbel]

i found this pretty in depth msn group.. it explains a LOT... and from different ppl

http://groups.msn.com/interpretations4/_whatsnew.msnw


and yes.. true and north are the same :) answered my own question

[~*Ginger*~]

I found that site to be pretty insightful as well.

[Mau]

North node in Cancer, which makes south node Capricorn. Dear Godly beings beyond, reading the analysis on that msn group made SO much sense it made me cry..lol
On the flip side, it helped me to understand my purpose in this life, and how to stop wanting things I don't need..as they aren't the most important things this time around. Hard to swallow but easy to grasp.

[RedRose]

Dear Mau,

That website has more great information, in my opinion, than any site on the internet...it can also cause astrology overload better than any other site. Best to start by looking up your North Node, Sun, Moon, and Rising by signs and house. That will keep you busy enough for quite some spell.

RedRose

[OMmomma]

Thankyou for the link, what a time-saver!! I am so used to having to rely on my memory, or finding the right chapter in a book... this is so much better!

My node is alone in the 3rd house, like a sign it wants no complications. The internet has been my savior, in that I have had relatively no other means of expressing my understandings, creativity, and compassion towards the groups of people who would most benefit. I long for opportunities to teach, but have alot of insecurity, due to my emotional 'blindness'.

My SN in Pisces in the 9th, is conjunct with my Mars... I am happily married to a Pisces(my third marriage), I have had difficulties with relationcships, due to my preoccupation with spiritual(unconditional) love, and have expressed romantic love rather incompetantly. I have always longed to go 'back' to the comfort and transcendant lovingness of an ashram. I am eternally greatful that I did choose to have a family, however, as I see a major part of my destiny being determined by both my motherhood, and by my children themselves.

[Meiga]

North Node in Gemini, OK, but itīs oppossed to my Sun and Ascendant, both in Saggitarius.
Looks somewhat worrying...and hard.

[RedRose]

Here from Jan Spiller's must read book "Astrology for the Soul" is a a list of attributes that people with Sagittarius North Nodes/Gemini South Node need to work on developing to forward their life's purpose:

Attributes to Develop

Work on these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and talents:

Reliance on intuition, prophetic abilities, and invisable guidance.

Speaking from Higher Consciousness

Spontaneity - developing a sense of freedom and adventure

Direct communication free from censorship

Trusting oneself

Spending time alone and in nature

Patience

Intuitive listening - hearing the meaning behind the words

And here from Jan Spiller are tendencies for Sag NN/GemSN folk like Cloudspartner to work on leaving behind:

Second-guessing what other people are thinking.

Indecisiveness.

Perpectually seeking more information.

Saying what others want to hear.

Invalidating intuitive knowing with logic.

Gossiping.

Impatience, wanting immediate answers.

Trusting other's perceptions instead of one's own - including others' perceptions about oneslef.

[cloudspanther]

Sorry I am lost really dont know much about the stars etc. I cant figure it out to even try to form an opinion.

lady bless,
clouds

[2wicky]

Aw, the link doesn't work anymore.
With Capricorn SN I'm definitely scared of being dependent on anyone but me....marriage, babies, that more Cancerian stuff scares the heebeegeebees out of me.

[Maiden Zafirbel]

what if my North Node (gemini) is in retrograde? what does that mean??? :S

[Fluffmeister]

what if my North Node (gemini) is in retrograde? what does that mean??? :S

Nothing - the Nodes are always retrograde. At least, the "mean node" is always retrograde - the "true node" (which can be a degree or two different from the mean node) is usually retrograde. It spends a few days a month being not retrograde.

[RedRose]

Hello Zafirbel,

It means you are normal because actually everyone's North Node is "retrograde" - but this is not exactly correct word usage, because the NN isn't a thing. It is a pointer, a direction. It isn't a planet or asteroid. The NN direction pointer travels backwards through the zodiac, so they call it "retrograde" but there is no meaning in calling it that.

RedRose

[DarkestSeptember]

Mine seems to be opposite of Kadynas'......

I have NN 9 Aries 37'38" 10th House and SN Libra 4th House.....and yep , I too have Libra Sun, same as my SN. I notice the only aspect to the NN , listed on my astro.com chart is a Sesquiquadrate to neptune. Not that I know what that is. So, i'm wondering if my SN Libra @ 9 degrees is in aspect to my Uranus 1 Libra 22'20" ( chart doesn't show this )? Not certain if that's a conjunction.

I can tell you that it's not that easy having my NN Aries/SN Libra, plus having sun , moon, mercury Libra all opposite Saturn Aries!

[Shynes]

I like my North Node. It's in Aries in the 3rd with no aspects forming to it. Sometimes I don't speak-up for myself when I really ought to.

[RedRose]

This is an OK link:

http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/webpages/lunarnodes.htm

[RedRose]

From "Astrology For The Soul" by Jan Spiller

Cancer NN:

Attributes to develop:

Noticing and validating feelings

Empathy

Nurturing and supporting others

Building one's own foundation and security

Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities

Humility

Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgement

Staying centered in ones own feelings


Tendencies To Leave Behind:

Needing to control everything and everybody

Compulsion to take charge without fully undersatnding the situation

Ignoring the process, being too fixated on the goal

Feeling completely responsible for everything

Hiding feelings and fears in intimate relationships

Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others

Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own

Doing what is "socially acceptable" rather than what is honest

Thinking that things need to be difficult to be important

[RedRose]

http://www.cafeastrology.com/nodesofthemoon.html

[solstice428]

So, what if my North Node in Scorpio is in the 4th House, conjunct Uranus, but Uranus is retrograde?

[Fluffmeister]

So, what if my North Node in Scorpio is in the 4th House, conjunct Uranus, but Uranus is retrograde?

Hi, Solstice - welcome to Mystic Wicks!

Any planet on the "nodal axis" (conjunct the North Node or the South Node) is going to be emphasised; I would see those Uranian traits as part of your destiny - perhaps you'll be a famous revolutionary, or astrologer, or scientist.

Uranus is retrograde for half the year - personally, I don't take much notice of retrograde outer planets.

[solstice428]

Cool, thanks -- for the welcome as well as the info! :cheers:

[Agaliha]

I have North Node Libra/South Node Aries
(with Sun sign Libra...don't know if that makes a difference).

I read the summaries a few pages back...doesn't seem to click. Hummm.
Is there any more info about Libra-Aries Nodes?

[business voodoo]

agaliha ... try this ... run your chart how you would normally run your chart, but instead of using 'tropical' zodiac, run it with a sidereal ayanamsa ... and see whether the node shifts to virgo/pisces and see if those seem more like your reality. as young as you are, you may be less connected to the tropical zodiac than most people, and were raised to live connected to 'reality' rather than the illusion of the prevailing energy that was locked at the beginning of our current time sequence connected with the tropical zodiac.

[business voodoo]

me ... north node aries, south node libra ... going on trips and far away places in the mind and elsewhere in the 9th house is where the direction is heading ... coming from ... awe darn, i just sometimes get the 3rd house as it relates to the south node ... i mean for real ... habit patterns? siblings (i have NO relationship with my 4 siblings)? early childhood ... i was mostly asleep until my 20s and didn't really wake up until my 30's ...

any insight on that south node in the 3rd house ... anyone? i do realize that is where my drive to be creative in an artistic way comes from as well as my rebel with a cause need to fight for social justice ... but that i relate to libra ... the 3rd house isn't coming in clear to me.

by the way red rose ... awesome thread ... i hadn't gotten that deep into the older postings ... very cool discussions! thank you.

[Agaliha]

agaliha ... try this ... run your chart how you would normally run your chart, but instead of using 'tropical' zodiac, run it with a sidereal ayanamsa ... and see whether the node shifts to virgo/pisces and see if those seem more like your reality. as young as you are, you may be less connected to the tropical zodiac than most people, and were raised to live connected to 'reality' rather than the illusion of the prevailing energy that was locked at the beginning of our current time sequence connected with the tropical zodiac.

I don't know how to do that _inabox_ Anyone want to help?

I had my chart done for me on here awhile ago and I personally did a natal chart using a site that does it all for you (that's the one that told me the nodes)

ETA: I opened an old version of my natal chart and it said N- Taurus S-Scorpio.

Could the sidereal be the Libra-Aries?

I'm so confused!

[mara]

I'm a little bit confused about the nodes...I got my chart from Astrodiest and I'm assuming that mean node is the same as north node..is that right?
Mine is in Virgo in the first house..so does that mean my south node would be in Pisces in the 12th house? My rising sign is also Virgo..interesting.

[business voodoo]

agaliha ... you can run the chart at www.astro.com and where it says, on the right side of the screen 'tropical' and warns you only to change it if you are an expert ... go ahead and choose one of the geo-centric sidereal (i happen to use the lahrini) charts and take a look see ... they may not shift at all, but they just might and that may give you some insight.

mara ... the south node would be in pisces in the 7th house ... the opposite position of the chart. the 'mean' node is an average and is usually fairly accurate unless you are getting into the super specific stuff, especially relating to any lunar ritual, etc. the mean node averages out the wobble of the orbit and gives the average rather than the exact specific place in the wobble that your node may be found ... if that is different from the 'mean'.

that's my understanding, perhaps someone with more intimate working knowledge with the nodes has more info ... there's an astrologer here in las vegas who says working with the mean node is like being blindfolded in the dark ... but then, again, she's a node specialist!

[Agaliha]

agaliha ... you can run the chart at www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com) and where it says, on the right side of the screen 'tropical' and warns you only to change it if you are an expert ... go ahead and choose one of the geo-centric sidereal (i happen to use the lahrini) charts and take a look see ... they may not shift at all, but they just might and that may give you some insight.


Hummm....well I put my info in and it just showed the chart. There were no other options to choose from. :(
Don't know if it'll show: http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=2&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=&node=-Yn&sday=26&smon=9&syr=1985&rs=&orbp=&cid=aebfilef7pXBf-u1074974014&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=

ETA: I might have figured it out.
They're different: http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=2&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=-s&node=-Yn&sday=26&smon=9&syr=1985&rs=&orbp=&cid=aebfilef7pXBf-u1074974014&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=
Sun in Virgo? Leo Rising? Moon in Aquarius? Weird!


Which one does one go by then? The one that sounds the most correct?
Ahhh. Just when I thought I knew things...damn it.

[Agaliha]

Well I found this--


Question:
If both systems are valid astrological systems, then what side of myself is my Vedic chart showing me, and what side is the Tropical chart showing? My tropical chart indicates certain characteristics that seem to fit, but so does the vedic chart.

Answer:
It's a good question. The answer can only be speculative. I've heard that some people believe that the Western chart represents the level of the personality and the Vedic chart represents the level of the soul. This makes sense to some extent since the Western chart emphasizies the Sun/Earth relationship, the seasons, which are temporal conditions on earth. This could be considered a more surface value like the personality. The Vedic chart emphasizes the actual star constellations which is a more cosmic indication, irrespective of the seasons. This could be considered a deeper value like the soul. Since I don't practice Western astrology I can't comment from experience of working with the Tropical system. I believe that both systems can give accurate information relative to their vantage point of looking at the same celestial phenomenon.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/dailyjyotish-012606.htm


So both are valid and give infomation and insight about the person. Interesting. I'll have to read all about my other side then!
:spaceman:

[business voodoo]

agaliha ... not really ... if you check out the discussion on the thread started by red rose on sidereal ... side real? i think its entitled, we are discussing the differences and how i use the two different zodiacs to look at the individual ... read the aries/libra node info and see how it strikes you ...

[business voodoo]

So both are valid and give infomation and insight about the person. Interesting. I'll have to read all about my other side then!
:spaceman:

i liken it to the type of perception/reality shifts they depicted in the matrix ... definitely check out the thread on our discussion of the sidereal.

[Agaliha]

I'll read that thread in a sec.

The Aries-Libra aspects don't seem to click with me, which is what I mentioned before.

[business voodoo]

... i just looked at your initial post ... you indicated north node in libra and the chart you posted a link to has the north node in aries ... don't know if that helps? i have that same configuration ... also in the 9th house ... just this year i have begun to understand and relate that to configuration to myself. with the sun in the 2nd house as well, that's likely where the challenge of relating to the the aries north node lies ....

we have many chart similarities as i was also born in the Pac NW but on 17 Sept. about 2 decades before, and at 4:26 a.m. (although 4:19 am was the time i used to incorrectly remember as my birth time ... so that freaked me out a bit!)

[Agaliha]

The North node: I did my chart on cafeastrology.com and it said:
South node Aries. So I'm assuming the North is Libra.
SEEN HERE (http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/natal?member=&recalc=&name=Lynn&sex=f&d1day=26&d1month=9&d1year=1985&d1hour=4&d1min=13&citylist=Seattle%2C+WA+%2853%29%2C+USA&lang=en)

Then on the Astro.com chart for the Tropical one is said "True Node -- Taurus"

I don't know which one is right.
The Sidreal one said Aries I think.

Wow, trippy- the similaries. Do you have a bowl shape too?

[business voodoo]

no, no cool bowl, just a simple arrow ... the similarities are interesting .... i've attached a pdf of the chart i consider to be the closest 'imprint of me' ...

[Agaliha]

Wow, there are a lot of similarities when I use the Sidreal.
Same Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Ascendent, Midheaven and Node
And the other ones are only a sign off either way (I think).
Interesting!

[proxieme]

The way in which our charts are set up to push us along (and give us some things to push against) always manages to infinitely amaze me.

Like my 10th House NN's @ 29d Leo conj. my (Rx) Leo Mars (and in an out-of-sign conj. w/ my 3d Virgo Jupiter); and trine my 2nd House Saggi Neptune and Pars Fortunae. My Pisces Sun's in the 5th, which I imagine'll only help that energy.
But, then, there're energies in my chart (above and beyone the 4th House SN) pulling away from that: my Moon (in the 3rd) is in the same sign as my SN (though, interestingly, on the other end of the spectrum - it's at 1 degree while my SN's at 29 degrees); my 11th House Saturn in Virgo pushes a feeling of seperateness (helped along by my 1st house Uranus); and my Pisces Sun - though in the 5th - has to get warmed up to "boasting and song".

Quick question: Both my SN and NN are sq to my Uranus (at Scorpio in the 1st) and both are favorably aspected by my Neptune/Pars Fortunae conj (the NN's trine and the SN's sextile) - what might that indicate?

[business voodoo]

Quick question: Both my SN and NN are sq to my Uranus (at Scorpio in the 1st) and both are favorably aspected by my Neptune/Pars Fortunae conj (the NN's trine and the SN's sextile) - what might that indicate?

do things your way ... maintain your alignment with the universal truth and things should go smoothly, if they do not, regain your balance and center and push against the flow of what is 'not' in alignment with the universal truth. the uranus is a push (square), neptune is naturally going to be well aligned ... uranus will push to adjust the environment to align with the personal truth.

[proxieme]

Thanks bv :D

That seems to hold quite true for me -
I've noticed that when my environment isn't "aligned" with the core-of-me (and I do nothing about it or continue to attempt to fit myself into the mold), I get very depressed very quickly. That applies even if the environment might look "ideal" to those outside of my situation. In order to regain my center, I must pull away and realign myself (sometimes violently).

That's actually sort of the great thing about these aspects: They've forced me to discover that I have the strength mind and will to do the above; they've forced me to see just how much inner transformative power I hold rather than allow me to entirely drift with the flow of life.

Here's my chart (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/proxieme/MyChart1.jpg) (just in case seeing that might help to make the above any less foggy ;) )

You'll notice that some of the aforementioned aspects are a little loose - I agree, but I also tend to go with the philosophy that an aspect you can feel is an aspect that's real (if the orb's in question).

[business voodoo]

i quite agree with you, orbs are relative to the entire chart and often, unfortunately, socialized reinforcement of certain flows of energy in an individual ... e.g., a loose opposition in one person's chart where conflict was the rule and not the exception in their parents' house, can have more impact than a tight opposition in a house of say more trinal energy.

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril and all,

Here is that great thread on North Nodes.

RedRose

[Shatril]

I had Jan Spiller's book on my shelf of yet to be read books. I pulled it down and went at it.

I have Taurus NN in 8th house with Chiron in lose conjunction like 9° orb, and Scorpio SN in 2th house with nothing close to it. When I looked at the list:

Taurus NN

Attributes to Develp


Loyalty
Awareness of boundaries
Taking things one step at a time
A sense of self-worth
Awareness of personal values
Patience
Honoring expressed needs of self and others
Enjoying the five physical senses
Gratitude
Awaremenss of nurturing from Mother Earth
Forgiveness
Persistence


Tendencies to Leave Behind


Attrcation to crisis situations
Overconcern with other people's business
Impatience
Inappropriate intensity
Judgemental tendencies
Preoccupation with the psychological motivations of others
Resistance to cooperating with what others want
Overreacting
Destroying somthing in order to eliminate one part


I went into complete denial. I'm going well you know I don't have those tendencies, and I already have most of those qualities. Then I remembered that I've live a good many years, so I looked back to earlier times. Sure enough those were all things that were part of my life, or I lacked them in my early life. I have to note at this point that about the time of my first Satrun Return, many of these things changed and for one good reason; I finally got some self-esteem.

So now I don't have to look up your NN and SN do I RedRose, as it is listed here. I'm going to leave this here for now, but when the activity slows down on this thread I"m going to move it to the Astrology Guide.

Off to see what Chiron Conjunct NN might mean. I already think I know, but want to confirm it.

:hugz: Shatril

[RedRose]

Shatril,

I run into this situation often while giving reading to grown ups and I never push elders to receive readings, not unless they are seriously asking...hey, they either did the work or they didn't. Scopes should be used as blueprints, not report cards. That said, most grown ups I study have done their Saturn work and are living their NNs too.

NN in Scorpio in the 2nd is about "manifesting" money and stuff, because earning it the old way tends to not work. With Chiron conjunct NN you are a healer and teacher and astrologer and warrior this life, but you won't make any money in these roles until after 50 ( or maybe never directly). You will successfully teach others how to be successful though!

NN/Chiron in the 2nd also gives you a COSMIC connection to the Earth Mama Gaia.

My partner has Scorpio NN and it often appears that having more money would solve all problems for him, but actually what happens involves others and magic. For instance, he gets offered the use of our neighbor's woodshop, stuffed with every tool and sitting unused.

RedRose

[Shatril]

One of the sayings that comes to mind after reading up on my Chiron placement in the 2cd house is; "Those that can do, those who can't teach." In other words, I'm better at telling others how to manage there money than managing my own. :rollingla The other saying is; "Don't do as I do, do as I tell you."

Muh! Just full of them this morning eh?

:hugz: Shatril

[RainInanna]

ETA - oops, I asked if north node was aka true node, and see someone already answered that on page 2

Mine is in Leo. Which is.. well, surprising to me. I don't know too much about Leo, but from what I do know, how bizarre. Courage and confidence are definitely things I don't have. Fire seems to express itself in the oddest places in my chart.

Sun/Moon/Merc in Cap, 3 more signs in Vir, and 1 in Taurus. Asc is Sag. "All earth and fire" someone told me once a long time ago.

[Shatril]

Well here is an interesting thing. I just realized that I used the wrong NN in my earlier post. No wonder that stuff didn't sound so much like me. Now that I realize that my NN is Taurus and NOT Scorpio, it sounds more like me. Some of the tendencies to leave behind are gone with the Saturn return, and it helped the ones to develop, most especially my self-worth. This seems to be the one for me.

I remember praying for Patience once, and found that the way to get more patience is to have your patience tried. OMG what a lesson that was. Fortunately, I'm much better at this, but still have to remind myself occassionally to relax. HEHEHE

[RainInanna]

I have really been surprised on what I've learned about my north node and south node. The north presents a real challenge for me. But the info I found out about my south node really clarifies and explains some of my habits and childhood memories.

Here's a great tutorial on nodes and also a description of what each suggests (http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/nodes)
North Node through the signs (http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/northnodeinsigns.htm)
North Node Leo/South Node Aquarius (http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/northnodeinleo.html)
North Node Leo (http://www.creativechoices.com/article/north_node_leo.htm).

[Shatril]

Here is an excerpt from the Astrology for the Soul by Jan Spiller:

Signs and Houses--For each of us the north Node is located in a sign in a house. The sign in which the NN falls denotes the psy7chological shift that needs to occur withing the personality. The house containing the NN show the experiences that allow the person to access this new psychological awareness.

In my experience, the house is at least of equal importance to the sign. The house position indicates the arena in which the life lessons of the NN are learned. For example, if you NN is in Cancer in the 11th house, you are learning to get in touch with and communicate your feelings (Cancer) through cultivating the energy of friendships and learning to "go with the flow" (11th house); if your NN is in Aries in the 4th house , through getting in touch with your gut instincts (4th house) you can discover and communicate who you are (Aries).

[Shatril]

Lorrie you NN is in Cancer in the 12th house.

Atributes to Develop:


Noticing and validating feelings
Empath
Nurturing and supporting others
Building oune's own foundation and security
Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities
Humility
Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgment
Staying centered inone's own feelings


Tendencies to Leave Behind:


Needing to control everything and everyone
Compulsion to take charge without fully understanding the situation
Ignoring the process; being too focused on the goal
Feeling completely responsible for everything
Hiding feelings and fears in intimate relationships
Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others
Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own
Doing what is "socially acceptabel" rather than what is totally honest
Thinking that things have to be difficult in order to be important


All this work will be done through the 12th house. Having this NN in the 12th house will help with the things that you need to leave behind as this is the house of endings. It will be easy to get rid of the things you want to leave behind. It is also the house of the unconscious, to you will have help in the area of those attributes you want to cultivate. Not only can you work on the consiously when fully awake, but you subconscious will be aiding you when you are not fully awake. This is probably a beneficial placement for the NN work, or at least I see it that way.

Shatril

[Lorrie]

hehehehehehehe, thanks, I was going from one link to the other trying to figure out where the north node is!!!!:hahugh: I was beginning to pull my hair out when I decided to look further down the page !:T

[Lorrie]

Lorrie you NN is in Cancer in the 12th house.

Atributes to Develop:

Noticing and validating feelings
Empath
Nurturing and supporting others
Building oune's own foundation and security
Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities
Humility
Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgment
Staying centered inone's own feelings
Tendencies to Leave Behind:

Needing to control everything and everyone
Compulsion to take charge without fully understanding the situation
Ignoring the process; being too focused on the goal
Feeling completely responsible for everything
Hiding feelings and fears in intimate relationships
Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others
Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own
Doing what is "socially acceptabel" rather than what is totally honest
Thinking that things have to be difficult in order to be important
All this work will be done through the 12th house. Having this NN in the 12th house will help with the things that you need to leave behind as this is the house of endings. It will be easy to get rid of the things you want to leave behind. It is also the house of the unconscious, to you will have help in the area of those attributes you want to cultivate. Not only can you work on the consiously when fully awake, but you subconscious will be aiding you when you are not fully awake. This is probably a beneficial placement for the NN work, or at least I see it that way.

Shatril


Yes, every tarot reading for past lives points to this being my biggest lesson this life, letting go of what is no longer needed. I am a pack rat, physically and emotionally. I see alot of my extra baggage in those lines! Some I have been able to get past, some still working at. Some of the attributes I think I overdid. I printed out the list so I can sit down and take a good look at it all, grandbabies are not cooperative tonight. My oldest is yelling " Bamma, I need CUDDLES!!!" :T I think I had better listen.

[Shatril]

Ok here are your NN tendencies to keep and leave.

NN is in Cancer in the second house.

Attributes to Develop:

Noticing and validating feelings
Empathy
Nurturing and supporting others
Building one's own foundation and security (Look at first Charka balancing)
Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities
Humility
Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgment
Staying centered in one's own feelings


Tendencies to leave behind:

Needing to control everything and everyone
Compulsion to take charge without fully understanding the situation
Ignoring the process; being to focused on the goal
Feeling completely responsible for everything
Hiding feelings and fears in intimat relationships
Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others
Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own
Doing what is "socially acceptable" rather than what is totally honest
Thinking that things have to be difficult in order to be important

Here is a link (http://www.cafeastrology.com/nodesofthemoon.html)to some other information on the NN

Hope you enjoy, more later on you Interecepted signs.

:hugz: Shatril

[thought_on_a_wind]

Some of things in the first list were a little over-developed as a kid. Empathy was especially over-developed to the point of feeling close to physical pain when someone was going through a very traumatic point of thier life. I had to learn to tone it down, as well as the need to nurture others, as it made me very susceptible to others attempting to take advantage of me. I dunno if this info will help with anybodies studies, but just in case...

Ok here are your NN tendencies to keep and leave.

NN is in Cancer in the second house.

Attributes to Develop:

Noticing and validating feelings
Empathy
Nurturing and supporting others
Building one's own foundation and security (Look at first Charka balancing)
Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities
Humility
Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgment
Staying centered in one's own feelings


Tendencies to leave behind:

Needing to control everything and everyone
Compulsion to take charge without fully understanding the situation
Ignoring the process; being to focused on the goal
Feeling completely responsible for everything
Hiding feelings and fears in intimat relationships
Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others
Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own
Doing what is "socially acceptable" rather than what is totally honest
Thinking that things have to be difficult in order to be important

Here is a link (http://www.cafeastrology.com/nodesofthemoon.html)to some other information on the NN

Hope you enjoy, more later on you Interecepted signs.

:hugz: Shatril

[Shatril]

Some of things in the first list were a little over-developed as a kid. Empathy was especially over-developed to the point of feeling close to physical pain when someone was going through a very traumatic point of thier life. I had to learn to tone it down, as well as the need to nurture others, as it made me very susceptible to others attempting to take advantage of me. I dunno if this info will help with anybodies studies, but just in case...

It does help. A couple things in those statements. One it confirms that without fore knowledge of what needs to be developed through astrology or other divination, you were already developing it to a great degree. I have thought that was the case, but confirmations are always good. Makes me a better astrologer. Two, it gives me some idea of how early these things begin to develop. I think you need to learn balance to keep your sanity.

:hugz: Shatril

[Lorrie]

The only one I am not seeing is North Node Aquarius, and it is the one for my new grandson. Could someone look it up for me? One of these days I will end up getting the book, really I will!:T

[Spera]

I've got the book-- I'll go take a look.

[Lorrie]

:bumpsmili

[LadyoftheWood]

I have an interesting one.

My NN is in Cancer in the 7th house -- which is ruled by Libra. My moon and my midheaven are both in Libra. Saturn is also in Libra (as well as Mars and Pluto). The moon is conjunct with both midheaven and Saturn, and Saturn is conjunct with Pluto and Mars is conjunct with midheaven.

Whatcha think about that? I could be very wrong but it sounds like one big happy family!

(As an interesting aside, I read some time ago about what the NN means for me... ::stamp:: DENIED! Reading it now, it couldn't possibly be more true. Now if I can only come to that same understanding in regards to my midheaven!)