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Danustouch
July 12th, 2001, 12:30 PM
Ok...now...i certainly do not want to start another argument. So...let me just say this.

First of all...it seems to me, that there is a great deal of misunderstandings surrounding some of the letters posted in the fertility drugs thread.

I would like to apologize, first and foremost, to Mairwen and Yvonne. It seems that they misunderstood some of the things that I was saying, and that I misunderstood a great deal of what they were saying.

This is a very volatile subject...because it is such an emotional one, for so many people. It is not surprising then, when sometimes, our issues with people in the past, come to haunt us again, in the words of another, who may not have meant them in the same way (if that makes sense). In other words. Some of the ideas I expressed, probably struck a very painful chord in some people, because of past experiences they may have had. Likewise, some of their comments offended me, because of past experiences I had. But..none of us, I believe, intended to offend. There was no malice, or directed anger behind our comments to eachother. They were responses to a very sensitive issue, to which people have very sensitive opinions. They were not meant to personally hurt anyones feelings.

Now..for me to clarify a few things. I DO understand some of what Mairwen was saying. IMO..a woman has ultimate control over EVERYTHING that effects her reproductive rights. It is HER decision, whether or not to have a baby. Drs, parents, society at large should butt out of that. It's not THEIR choice.

But..there are still some of us who genuinely do want a child, for the right reasons, and have analyzed our desire to have a child, repeatedly..and come to the same conclusion. We are meant to be mommies.

There are many mothers, however, who ARENT meant to be mommies. Some because they do not CHOOSE to be, or some because they simply cannot be, for many reasons.

My opinion therefore, is this. If you do not want children, try to practice safe sex. If that is not an option, due to medical reasons, or what have you..at least clearly consider your options, before simply deciding to keep the child. The stress of childrearing can be great. And some people are not equipped to deal with it. I , for one, would rather see a child put up for adoption, then to see it being neglected or abused at home. Now..one more clarification. I was not directing this to ANYONE in this room, but someone, I think, misunderstood my point on adoption. I think adoption is a WONDERFUL solution, to someone becoming pregnant when they are yet ready for the responsibility, or it just isn't what they want. Believe it or not, there is a shortage on babies up for adoption here in the state. Mostly, older children are put up for adoption here. And there are many parents, that despite their best efforts, have not been able to have a child, and would love to raise that little one in all the love they could give.

There are people, who get pregnant quite unexpectedly, and perhaps..quite undesireably. Perhaps they have a carreer that they do NOT want to sacrifice to having a child, or whatever their reasoning is. To those people who go through the process of giving birth to the child, and accept their responsibility toward the child, and try to be the best parent they can be to the child, in SPITE of the fact that they didn't really desire a child...Kudos.
If you are able to do the job...and love that child...my congratulations to you!

Now..I am sorry about anything I wrote in my last post that may have offended. I hope that we can continue to serve the purpose this room was created for, which is discussing all matters pertaining to fetility. But I hope that whatever one of us states, before responding to it with a bunch of hurt and damaged emotions fueling the fire, we will all learn to slow down, and ask eachother for a clearer description of what we meant. Ok?

Now can we please move on???

Yvonne Belisle
July 12th, 2001, 12:50 PM
As for me no apology is nessesary. I saw both sides of it and tried to do what I could to make peace before it was unobtainable. As you said this is a very volitile subject and there will be times when we don't phrase something right and our words inadvertantly hurt another. It is my sincere hope that when that happens all parties step back and reevaluate the situation. The odds are that whatever was said wasn't ment to hurt. I think this is a very important topic to many of the women in this site and I for one would like to see if we can avoid giving Mol any other headaches. The site going down when it does gives him plenty. :) See Mol we do love you. I almost wonder if because this issue is so close to our hearts as women we may have some problems in keeping civil. After all it affects some of our deepest fears. For the most part, the society we live in has placed that burden historiclly on the woman and although times and attitudes are changing there is still residue that we must deal with. I think we can do it and I hope that you all agree with me on this.

Danustouch
July 12th, 2001, 02:51 PM
Dear Yvonne,

I do agree with you, that the issue of womens bodies, our cycles, our fertility, etc, has been placed mainly on womens shoulders. Hopefully, this trend will continue to change, as we come to more enlightened times.

I agree also, that we should be able to work out these differences of opinion through talking. Most of them, I believe..do stem from fears...the main one I can think of..is fear of inadequacy. Or perhaps..feeling that we've done something wrong. I cannot say for every woman, when she is going through fertility issues, whether or not they feel the same. But I think for some women, when we're NOT fertile, or our cycles are out of balance, or whatever the issues involved are..somehow, deep inside, we feel that our womanhood is challenged..somehow. I suppose men facing erectile dysfunction, sometimes feel the same.

Gender roles? Well..yes..I'm sure they are a heavily contributing factor.

BB!

Mariposa De La Luna
July 12th, 2001, 11:48 PM
I'm sorry for overreacting. I posted before I thought. 8O

Actually it was a good thing because I thought I didn't have any bad feelings on the subject and now I know I need to re-evaluate. We learn, we grow and we move on. Thanks for this post. :)

Danustouch
July 13th, 2001, 09:43 AM
Dear SAHM,

No problem, honey! I've found it's VERY easy to misunderstand a person through emails, posts, etc. What we get off the internet is often only a fraction of the conversation we would get if we discussed in person, our thoughts. I think hearing someones voice, inflections, and seeing their gestures, clarifies a lot...personally. Not to mention..sometimes we "Skim" over messages, without taking the time to read them again, and reread them, before coming to a conclusion. I myself have done so , numerous times. So...it's no biggie. It happens!

Love and Blessings!

Danus.

mol
July 13th, 2001, 07:44 PM
Topics closest to the heart usually can cause the most pain. This forum really has to be careful.

Semele
August 2nd, 2001, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by mol
Topics closest to the heart usually can cause the most pain. This forum really has to be careful.

I couldn't agree more hun!!!