My ghost is gone.

[*GrumpButt*]

I had this ghost thing follow me around for almost all my life.

He was not a good one either.
He would sit on me at night and hold me down. And I would panic! One night I could hear him talking, but i could not understand him.
My best friend's b/f had the same thing happen to him when they stayed in my room one night...

My best friend used to stay at my house for weeks, and then I would stay at her's for weeks. Well one night when she was at my house, she got up to go to the bathrrom. She walked out into the hall, and came running back in and jumped back into bed.
She said she saw they "guy" again. But his time he was sitting on my couch, looking at her with huge yellow eyes... :shaker:
Her b/f at the time had an aunt that could see things and such.
She told Mary how (mary) had seen the yellow eye, beore Mary even told her...
We had seen him one night, a while before the yellow eye thing. Im my mom's room. he materialized in front of the tv...

And then one night while I was at her house, she came in and I was sleeping, and she said that he was sitting on my back again... lol

He used to follow me where ever i went.

But after I had my daughter Kylee, he has dissapeared...
Any thoughts?
I kinda miss him a bit. Even though I know he was scarry.

[Galaxia]

Ω

[Calzaer]

or maybe the ghost just ran out of strength and dissapated into the Second Death. That happens. Frequently.

[Yooneko]

Here's a really unpleasant thought, but if it's a ghost that you've had around all your life, it attached itself to you while you were a child -- maybe it's focused on your daughter now?

[Laisrean]

Sounds to me like a male Succubus. When they sit on you it means they want to have sex with you. :shhhh:

[Caliburn]

well, I guess it's good that he's gone, but just think about it, why would he just disappear?

[*GrumpButt*]

I don't know......

But the succubus (sp) thing..... Mery's b/f's aunt, said thaqt he was trying to have sex with me.....
But why would he?

[Caliburn]

well, I've heard they have sex with humans so they can have demon children...

[*GrumpButt*]

O great..
I wondered why my preg. was so easy lol.

But really I do feel like I am missing something.
I don't know why but I kinda miss him.... ???

[Caliburn]

perhaps you were sexually attracted to him, or maybe the idea of him?

[*GrumpButt*]

I don't lknow about sexually. But I know that I have always "known" him. Even though he was one mean SOB lol.
I guess after having him around for ever, not having him is kinda weird. lol

And if that guy has been waiting for my Ky, he has another thing comming. I am not afraid of him the way I was when I was little. But of course I still get the hee-bee-gee-bees once in a while. :shaker: lol

[Caliburn]

have you ever considered the fact that he might be your spirit guide? maybe he's just dormant for a while?

[Gebo]

Did you ever ask your ghost to leave or even demand it? The reason I ask, is because I did so a few months ago and have not seen any signs of my 'shadow' since. She was a young girl that always appeared to me by sight although no one else has seen her. My husband and former roommate have both heard her but never seen her. I did not want her to leave forever but she took me off guard.. You see, I am a gaurded person when it comes to my bedroom. That is my space to share with my husband. When she came to me anywhere in the rest of the house she would not let me engage in relationship with her. She began coming into my bedroom and waking me up by standing above me staring. I finally got upset one night because when I opened my eyes she was standing there in her nightgown with this look like I should be doing something for her. I immediatley burst into tears and ordered her out of my room. I told her she was welcome in my home but not in my bedroom and I would talk to her the next day. I have not seen her since. I do miss her but am not sure how to get her to return. I believe I was supposed to help her with something or visa versa, dunno. Anyway, sorry about the long story, I just wanted to bring it to your attention that maybe you had a thought while you were pregnant that warded him off. Also, I could be nowhere close to being correct. I didn't know that ghosts were sexual beings. If anyone has more info on spirits I would love to learn more.

[*GrumpButt*]

Could be my sprit guide. But arn't they sposed' to help you? Not scare the shit out you and anyone else that comes into your home?
Mary's B/f's aunt once told me that "he" was jealous of men that came in close contact.
Like mary's b/f that stayed in my room. My b/f. My little brother...
Even Mary.
Weird huh?

[Laisrean]

Is it possible for a spirit to impregnate a human? If so, then that I guess, was his purpose and reason for haunting you. It also explains why he disappeared when your daughter was born. :shhhh:

[*GrumpButt*]

Hmmm. No I didnt aske him to leave...
maybe there was something she really needed you to do for her. That could be the reason she came into your room like that.

At least she didn't scare the shit out of you and your family and guests lol.

[*GrumpButt*]

Is it possible for a spirit to impregnate a human? If so, then that I guess, was his purpose and reason for haunting you. It also explains why he disappeared when your daughter was born. :shhhh:

Lol. Great and I thought Ky was a handfull already. Wait till she gets older and gets her ghosty powers lool. :lol:

[*GrumpButt*]

Lol i just changed my saying under my lil' hoot owl avatar.

[Caliburn]

Could be my sprit guide. But arn't they sposed' to help you? Not scare the shit out you and anyone else that comes into your home?
Mary's B/f's aunt once told me that "he" was jealous of men that came in close contact.
Like mary's b/f that stayed in my room. My b/f. My little brother...
Even Mary.
Weird huh?

well, sometimes spirit guides can be scary, maybe it was just fear of the unknown?

[*GrumpButt*]

I guess anything is poss.
But if it was, I hope he comes back lol.

[Gebo]

maybe there was something she really needed you to do for her. That could be the reason she came into your room like that. originally posted by Whitedragon


i thought about that and have asked her to come back but have not seen her. I am saddened by my haste to protect 'my space'. I would like to have helped.

Good luck with your puzzling disappearance

[Caliburn]

do you think he would be all that scary this time around?

[Laisrean]

It's probably nothing to be worried about. According to what I have read Merlin was an offspring of such a union. Maybe your child will be magical like he was. ;)

Check this out:


Incubus / Succubus Activity is said to be a male or female demonic spirits, however this is only speculation. Incubus activity involves females allegedly being sexually touched or attacked. In cases of males, this is known as Succubus activity. It has been noted that these attacks can take place anywhere and at any time, leaving the victims somewhat helpless. Scientific establishments look on this particular phenomena to be associated to temperol lobe seisures, epilepsy or sleep deprivation. However, both theories have equal arguments. It is a well documented phenomenon that was depicted in the 1970s film, (The Entity), where a woman called Carlotta Moran, a widow with three children was the victim of incubus activity. Night after night she was ravaged by something that had no form. The activity seems to have malevolent intent. Today these attacks still occur, not as often, nor as severe. In some circumstances the victim may even go through a series of phantom pregnancies. It is written in old book that these entities are fallen angels and a union with one was once thought to produce demons and witches. If one is to believe in such legends, Merlin the wizard was said to have been the offspring of such a union. However, legends often prove to be nothing more than just made up stories. The word Incubus is Latin and means 'Male Nightmare'.

[*GrumpButt*]

I hope she comes back to you... :hugz: Maybe you could do a ritual for her????

No I do not think that I would be "as" scared this time. But if he pulled the "yellow eye", I might be a bit. But I wouldn't run like I used to do.

[*GrumpButt*]

It's probably nothing to be worried about. According to what I have read Merlin was an offspring of such a union. Maybe your child will be magical like he was. ;)

Check this out:

That would be to cool lol.

:floating: :lol:

[Laisrean]

Here is an article I found on the Mara:


Mara Experiences
by Everglais
POSTED: February 98

A woman awakes in the middle of the night terrified. She attempts to sit up but is unable to move. As she glances at the foot of her bed, she thinks she sees a dark shadow; maybe a person in a dark robe, or perhaps only a shadow. In a few minutes, she is able to move and speak, and the "figure" is gone.

This woman experienced what is known as a Mara, which usually happens at night, either during sleep or during a lucid dream, but the experiencee is always wide awake. Paralysis is almost always reported, and the presence of a figure, which some interpret as an angel, a vampire, a ghost, a deceased loved one, an extraterrestrial, and a wide variety of "otherworldly" beings.

A scientifically baffling characteristic of mara's is the bodily changes that can take place to an experiencee. For example, if one experiences a vampire attack, they may discover puncture wounds on ones neck, which may also be bleeding. Those who interpret the event as an alien abduction, may find mysterious cuts, or particles of matter (implants) under their skin. It has been suggested that the power of suggestion was at work, as the mind can convince the body that it has been bitten, and in response, blood vessels may break, causing the effect of a vampire bite, or needle marks. The mara experience is directly influenced by the individuals beliefs. For example, a religious person may interpret such apparition as a heavenly being, while a UFO-believer may describe the figure as an alien entity.

An anonymous lady described a mara experience where she was woken up just after she had fallen asleep. She felt a presence in the room but could not move to confirm the strong sensation, nor could she make any sound. She began to panic and soon saw a dark shadow in the corner of her room approach her. She then felt a weight on her chest and a sharp pain on her neck. A few minutes later, the pain stopped, and she was able to move again. She rushed to the mirror, and found two red swollen spots on her neck but no puncture marks. In an interview, she said, "I don't believe some being visited me. I had seen a vampire movie a few days ago, and I think my mind simply worked that into some sort of realistic dream or something."

Another story was told by a man who said that he woke up in the middle of the night because he had a hard time breathing. When he opened his eyes, he saw a dark being sitting on him, choking him. When he tried to move, he realized that he was paralyzed. In his mind, he envisioned a cross, and immediately, the being vanished, leaving the man gasping for breath. He also does not fully believe that he had an evil visitor in the night. He believes that perhaps his cat laid on his chest or neck, and in his semi-asleep state, his mind created a hallucination of a dark shadow (which he adds, could have been his bunched up bed covers).

Mara experiences vary between cultures. Tales from Europe and Nova Scotia, Canada, describe a similar experience called "hagging", where an old, ugly witch sits on a man's chest. Other cultures describe dark figures, sometimes wearing capes and tall, pointed hats. Still others have feelings of being raped by succubi or the popobawa of Africa. The religious envision angels, while others interpret the "visitation" as that from alien beings or vampires. Skeptics use this fact to conclude that the maras are not real but merely a figment of an over-active imagination.

Through the research I've conducted, I find no actual proof of real visitations in the night. Most people who have experienced maras do not believe that they had encounters with the otherworldly. Instead, they are not entirely closed minded to the fact that it may have been the result of the subconscious fabricating a vision. Although I believe there is some kind of entity out there, I do not think that the majority of maras are real.

http://www.icidal.com/xproject/archives/paranormal/mara.html

And here is an article about the Popobawa, which is an Incubbus that attacks people in the African nation of Zanzibar: http://www.icidal.com/xproject/archives/paranormal/popobawa.html

[*GrumpButt*]

Oh my....
That is just what happend to me. But it wasnt and angel or a vampy.
I was on my tummy everytime it happend....
And one time I could hear him in my ear talking to me. But I couldnt understand it.
OK, at the time I could but when it was over I couldnt remember and when I tried to rem. I couldnt understand what he was saying?
It's very strange...

[Caliburn]

well, he's never hurt you or anything has he? If he's doing nothing but 'messing' with you then maybe he was just a mischevious puck passing through.

[*GrumpButt*]

No he has never really hurt anyone.
He could have been just "messing" and being a dick lol.
But if he was just passing through he was passing for a very long time lol.

[Calzaer]

well, I guess it's good that he's gone, but just think about it, why would he just disappear

Even the strongest ghosts don't last forever. Even if they manage to work themselves up to being able to feed off human energies to sustain their own, it's a losing battle. They eventually just sort of fade away. Then, of course, there are always the Collectors... *shudder*

[*GrumpButt*]

Collectors?

Why would they fade away?

[Calzaer]

Ok, see, it works a bit like this:

The body dies. Normally, the soul hangs around for a bit, maybe says some goodbyes, then releases its grip on life and goes home. Some people, for whatever reason, don't want to or aren't able to "go towards the light" as it were, and are powerful enough to prevent it (as in, they have a lot of energy. A hightened emotional state at the time of death, an unexpected death in the prime of life, or just sheer stubborn willpower are all common causes). We now have a ghost.

Fortunately for everyone, the ghost is no longer connected to the physical, which means it can't draw energy from the physical to sustain its existence here, and it no longer has an internal energy system to produce it (because that tends to require a body). Eventually, after a length of time depending on how powerful the spirit was in the first place (see above), it'll run out of steam and dissapate out to the Second Death in a perfectly natural fashion. It simply won't have the energy to sustain itself on the physical, and will be forced to let go. Think of it like a man hanging off the edge of a cliff. He might be a star athelete, but eventually his fingers are going to get tired. When that happens, he falls.

Now some spirits are entirely too scared of the Second Death and entirely too unethical to care how they keep it away. These spirits take the energy they need to sustain themselves from human victims. This can happen in several ways; they can inspire strong emotions and then feed on those as they're released by the subject, they can sit in a room and "filter feed" like a sea aenemone off anyone wandering by, they can befriend a human and enter into a sort of implied energy pact, they can pick a specific target and directly link into the energy system like a tapeworm, or use any of a large number of other methods.

These ghosts can still be pretty benign at first, but as they get older and their original energy fades, they need more and more from human hosts. And it's always going to be a losing battle at the end, because every moment an old ghost is not actively feeding is a moment in which it's falling behind. They'll run out of steam eventually too, but it'll take a lot longer and cause a lot more damage.

That's where the Collectors come in. Now, I have absolutely no clue as to exactly what the Collectors ARE... former humans, independant astral entities, servants of the death gods, I don't know (but I've heard all of the above and then some). They're the baddest mother[shut yo' mouth!]s on the astral, and their job is to hunt down ghosts who are currently thwarting death by staying behind without the benefit of a body. When they come for someone, it's... it's indescribable. Ghosts can hide for a long time by masking their signatures or whatever, but if a Collecter gets wind of you, it's all over. Game over, man, game over. They don't let you fade out - they RIP YOU out. With prejudice. It's the difference between letting go of the cliff face and splatting into the rocks at the bottom in terms of plesantness.

Part of why I'm so adamant about sending trapped/unwilling ghosts on to the Second Death whenever I can is to spare them from having to go at it with a Collector. *shudder* Those things... man. Those things. I'd rather poke Asmodeus himself in the eyeball than try to get between one of those and a wayward soul.

[*GrumpButt*]

that sounds plausable! :D
but how do you know all this?
have you seen the Collectors? :shaker:

[Calzaer]

but how do you know all this?
have you seen the Collectors?

Lots of reading, lots of talking to people smarter than me, and lots of being so frigging stupid I shouldn't have been allowed to live. In other words, experience :D

Yes, I've seen a Collector. A couple, actually. They were coming for the ghost living in my head at the time, but couldn't quite sniff out her trail. I had no idea wtf was going on until later, of course. All I knew was there were a couple of big intimidating scary things wandering aimlessly around my little plot on the astral, and my best friend was scared out of her (my) mind. Then they wandered off. Later, I mentioned it to an older adept friend of mine who had to do a whole lot of mental gymnastics to avoid throttling me for being so stupid. Since then I've only caught glimpses of them (they probably still smell the remnants of a ghost's signature on me). I've also seen the astral results of an encounter where the ghost decided to try and fight back rather than just let himself be ripped out of physical existence (it looks like a bomb went off that tore the fabric of the veil itself, and the same guy who sewed together Frankenstien's Monster tried to patch it back up. It's chilling).

So yeah, I'm off to poke Asmodeus in the eyeball now.

[*GrumpButt*]

:shaker:
They make me think of the Dementors from the Harry Potter books.

[Calzaer]

That's a very apt description indeed, now that I think of it. Except give them big bat-wings and fingers than end in sharp claws, and some sort of really big, curvy-bladed weapon.

[edit: Flamberge! That's what those things are called. The curvy-bladed weapons.]

[Laurelei]

Wow! That sounds very... errm... Catholic. I'm not sure if it fits with my whole belief system in words. So is it their job metaphorically to make sure you check out before leaving the hotel and getting the flight home?

I have had several bizarre dreams on the subject of reincarnation... I lived about five incarnations in really fast motion in the space of one night, it was wierd. And every time I died I ended up back in this big conference room with the goddess in the corner tap-tapping on a computer and seemingly normal people shoving other people through portals, ans people being forced to wear little karma badges. And everywhere people had their karma evaluated and it was never high enough and there was this great sense of disappointment and hopelessness. I remember mine wasn't very high and I had this desperate urge to fill it up so I could get out. And then I found a door in this boardroom and went through it, and there was, like, a whole other life through there, like it was the astral but it seemed physical to me.
But the point is it was frighteningly rigid and ordered, and the goddess was nothing but a desk clerk and all the system cared about was karma. It was very disturbing. What I'm getting at is I just don't like the idea of any kind of ordered life, therefore I don't like the idea of 'servants' of the death Gods. But I put up with stuff I don't like, and I'm intrigued. Is there a website where I can get more info on these 'Collectors'?

What's in it for them? Are they someone's mind elementals or golems made from the fear of drained living beings?

[edit: I think those curvy bladed weapons are Scimitars or Rapiers, whichever curvy bladed weapon you mean)

[Vanessa TPD]

I second the request for a few links :). I'm interested, too, in both the concept and the implications regarding the nature of life after death.

[Calzaer]

So is it their job metaphorically to make sure you check out before leaving the hotel and getting the flight home?

Something like that, yeah. Closer to "they drag out of the hotel by the hair and chuck you onto the airport shuttle", but yeah.


What's in it for them? Are they someone's mind elementals or golems made from the fear of drained living beings?

Damned if I know. I haven't been too keen to ask one. Nor have I been particularly keen to dig very deep in the interest of finding out. Like I said, I really don't know what they are or what their goal is.


Is there a website where I can get more info on these 'Collectors'?

Sort of... PM is on the way.

[FaerySong]

yeah I know I'm interested, so do provide us some other information :p

[Calzaer]

Going back over my notes and correspondance on the issue, it appears I may have accidentally overstated or incorrectly stated some things. Hopefully, if this is true, Laurelei will be able to straighten me out over it soon.

Just to be on the safe side, I'm going to go ahead and state clearly everything I know for 100% certain:

(1) They're scary
(2) The way dead folks react to the possibility they might be coming around leads me to believe that their manner of transitioning is majorly unplesant
(3) I get the impression that one could squash me with a glance if I tried to mess with it, and
(4) The results of a fight with one make the general vicinity look a bit like I imagine ground zero would.

Now, as for the "ghosts fade out" stuff, I recommend the book Monsters by John Michael Greer. There are some other books on the subject, but I personally feel that one is among the most accessible and concise.

[Calzaer]

I've sent Laurelei a good first step to finding out more, but I can't give it to all of you because the poor guy's mailbox will fill up and he'll hate me even more than he already does! In any case, if links exist, Laurelei will have them in a few days, and hopefully she can share 'em with us. I never bothered to ask for links, because I trust his word.

And I didn't ask for links myself just now because I doubt he'd even talk to me. We're not exactly friends these days (not that we ever were, actually...).

[Laurelei]

Thankyou for the pointer, Calzaer. I'd like to go hunt this guy out tonight, but it's 11.10 pm round here and I have an early srart tomorrow *groan* so I won't be able to act on this 'till tomorrow.

The way you describe their features, they sound a lot like Grim Reapers. Are they from whence the Grim Reaper myth came from d'you think? I thought I met a Grim Reaper-ish being one night when my ferret was ill. I prayed for her to get better, and then decided to go astral travelling before I fell asleep. Anyway as I'm lying there in my astral body getting used to being astral this swooping black being swoops in through my window and heads straight towards my ferret. And just then my ferret lets out a honk in the physical. This was one of the most terrifying experiences I've ever had. I completely lose my mind to fear, I'm screeching, my physical body breaks out in a cold sweat, I'm shouting obscenities, tearing at this being, doing whatever I can to protect my ferret from this creature.

So naturally I've kind of developed a major fear of hooded swooping beings.

In case you want to know what happened (this is kind of embarrasing), all this time I was shouting and tearing at this creature he's not fighting back, just looking shocked. Eventually this other being comes on the scene and I know it's a form of my goddess, so I stop. She looked... bewildered at the whole scene (or at least as bewildered as divinity can get) and says something that I can't remember. And then (this is embarrasing) the creature lowers his hood and I know at once it's my God.

This story does seem far fetched I guess, but it's imprinted on my brain forever. I was awkward with my God for weeks. I couldn't pray, I couldn't do my devotions properly. I accidentally attacked my own God, for goodness sake, when he was trying to heal my ferret. I'm over the awkwardness now, but the fear I felt will stay with me for a good few years to come.

[FaerySong]

In case you want to know what happened (this is kind of embarrasing), all this time I was shouting and tearing at this creature he's not fighting back, just looking shocked. Eventually this other being comes on the scene and I know it's a form of my goddess, so I stop. She looked... bewildered at the whole scene (or at least as bewildered as divinity can get) and says something that I can't remember. And then (this is embarrasing) the creature lowers his hood and I know at once it's my God.

This story does seem far fetched I guess, but it's imprinted on my brain forever. I was awkward with my God for weeks. I couldn't pray, I couldn't do my devotions properly. I accidentally attacked my own God, for goodness sake, when he was trying to heal my ferret. I'm over the awkwardness now, but the fear I felt will stay with me for a good few years to come.

8O that would be embarressing... *hug*