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[banondraig]

so a couple of days ago i couldn't sleep because i felt *wings*, of all the weird things, on my back. sort of like a phantom pain thing as i know they are not physically there. just that i felt/saw BIG freakin' feathery, white, angel-looking wings. it was so uncomfortable i wound having to try to sleep on my face, for as much sleep as i could get. this was three nights ago and i can feel them right now. sometimes they go away, and sometimes i can sort of force them to fold up, but this was just a weird disturbing experience. i mean, white ANGEL wings, not even cool red dragon wings or fairy wings. wtf. has anyone else here experienced this or am i just an even bigger freak than i thought?

[Ahautenites]

Check out "Angel OtherKin" on Google.... :)

[Gala]

Maybe it is your guardian or maybe it is your wings for coming home.>>>>

[banondraig]

Maybe it is your guardian or maybe it is your wings for coming home.>>>>

i like that one, it was the night before we started out of iraq that they showed up . . .

[Gala]

Cool, Its a good sign.

[Hoot]

You're definitely not a freak! Not all feather-winged creatures are archetypal Abrahamic tradition angels. And remember some deities are winged, particularly one of my favorites -Nike the Greek goddess of victory - associated often with Athena and soldiers. She often appears to soldiers.

[was]

ok?shrugs confused?

[mothwench]

angel wings? unsoliceted angel wings? :foh: that is weird. i like semele's and hoot's solutions, tho. :)

[Jenne]

*nods* Like what Hoot said too. Think it's a sign for your homecoming, Hon. Truly cool gift though--journal it and meditate on it, I say! :) :hugz:

[Nitefalle]

I agree with NeferSesemet, do a search of Otherkin...you will find you are most definitely not a freak, nor are you alone.

~N~

[Xentor]

I have them too, wings like that. Big white wings, that need to be stretched every now and then.

Mine started out as a conscious construct, a visualisation to help my energy work. They started out as big spikey orange firey dragon wings, but before I knew it, they turned into white, dove-type, fluffy, feathery angel wings. I don't know what happened, it certainly wasn't what I was practising for. But they feel comfortable so I'm keeping them.

[banondraig]

I have them too, wings like that. Big white wings, that need to be stretched every now and then.

Mine started out as a conscious construct, a visualisation to help my energy work. They started out as big spikey orange firey dragon wings, but before I knew it, they turned into white, dove-type, fluffy, feathery angel wings. I don't know what happened, it certainly wasn't what I was practising for. But they feel comfortable so I'm keeping them.

mine just sort of decided to show up. i used to pretend i had fairy wings when i was a lot younger, and i've had "wing pains" without any actual visual sometimes in the past couple of months, but then these popped up. they are not comfortable, they feel more like the muscles between my shoulder blades are overworked. it's hard to get them to tuck in. mostly i end up walking down the street with the danged things hanging out, feeling like everyone can see them. *sigh* right now they are trailing on the floor behind me, narrowly avoiding being stepped on.

edited to add: i got the impression they might be white *owl* feathers, so maybe Hoot has something with the Nike theory. i hope so. these things are just so danged uncomfortable.

[Xentor]

I keep them tucked in as well, and every now and then they must be stretched. Which feels great! But I too am wary of where I do that. As my wings are filled with my aural energy, I don't want people to walk through them, get caught in the surprise and cause accidents!

I find my wings a lot more versatile for directing and influencing energy than some of the visualisations I used previously. A big advantage is the immediate physical feedback. But I understand that can cause difficulties as well. As for muscles: I already have hurting back muscles, so I feel no noticable difference.

[Teshuva3D]

This is very interesting to me because my daughter has claimed since she was really little that she could see wings on some people...I've never poo pooed the "odd" things she'll say...because who knows???
It occurs to me now that each person she has seen wings on has been a very spiritually evolved person or was very "different" within some kind of positive context...
The idea that the wings are a formation of auric energy is fascinating!!! I wonder if each person my kid has seen wings on knows or suspects their presence as the folks in this thread do??Sadly, that's not really something I can go ask them..LOL.. :rolleyes:
Sadly Wingless, :whatgives
Tesh

[Isil Darkmoon]

I've had the same experience, pretty much. I have energy "wings" that manifest in times of extreme emotion for me. They're "in" most of the time, not out like some have been describing. They're white "angelic" wings like you describe, which I also found suprising for myself.

They first showed up as a defensive mechanism, like tangible sheilding when I was walking alone at night on campus and panicked. I felt them ... spread and wrap around me. The air got tangibly warmer.

The second time was when I was having a literal nervous breakdown, and my fiance (who I was having along distance relationship with at the time) managed to come visit me. He sat on a sofa with me. He huggeed me, I felt HIS wings (grey, draconic) wrap around me, and mine flared out to huddle inside his. (I haven't seen his since then, three years ago.)

Since then they show up occasionally, and I've learned how to manifest them if I really need them. It's an energy sensation that's entirely unique in my experience.

[Élistariel]

DEFINATELY look up otherkin. There are a few otherkin posts on here too. I've felt my wings before too. Mine are a combination angel-fairy. the feathers are blue-iridescent, not like bird feathers...hard to explain... 4-part wings, like a butterfly's. I'm also mermaid-otherkin. You think feeling wings is bad? :lol: try having a tail. Long story really really short, I may be "human" now, but I sure didn't start out as one.

[banondraig]

eek! does the tail make it hard to walk? :lol:

[Élistariel]

not really, my "appendages" show up a bit at random. If I've been thinking/concentrating on otherkin for a while, they'll show up. I must admit, it did take some getting used to. Conveniently tho, my tail usually only shows up when I go swimming. :woot: Oddly enough, despite having used to have been a mermaid, I don't like swimming in the ocean. it's icky...

[Gala]

NOTHING COOL ever happens to me... !!!!

[banondraig]

is there such a thing as a fresh-water mermaid? maybe in a really big lake?

[Élistariel]

freshwater mermaid? Who knows, I was on some other planet, or dimension. Kind of hard to remember :lol: Try to remember taking your first steps... it's kind of like that...

[Hoot]

I keep them tucked in as well, and every now and then they must be stretched. Which feels great! But I too am wary of where I do that. As my wings are filled with my aural energy, I don't want people to walk through them, get caught in the surprise and cause accidents!

I find my wings a lot more versatile for directing and influencing energy than some of the visualisations I used previously. A big advantage is the immediate physical feedback. But I understand that can cause difficulties as well. As for muscles: I already have hurting back muscles, so I feel no noticable difference.

I have never shared this about myself, but I have believed I have wings for a long, long time - I can't remember being without them, although I haven't always been able to control them or to fly. They are "angelic," owlish, long creamy white ones touched with tan. Once years ago I even considered having a feather tattooed on my shoulder...

They are exercised when I visualize or dream fly, and I am trying to fly more often because I'm not really happy if I don't. I discovered over the past couple of years that when I need to "attend my own home" and take care of myself better, that my first indication of that - even before that need appears in any other way - is not being able to fly at all. Sometimes that's been a very healthy warning to me.

[Élistariel]

I remember seeing strange things when I was a kid. I still see strange things, just not as often. Can she only see wings on actual people, or in photographs as well?



This is very interesting to me because my daughter has claimed since she was really little that she could see wings on some people...I've never poo pooed the "odd" things she'll say...because who knows???
It occurs to me now that each person she has seen wings on has been a very spiritually evolved person or was very "different" within some kind of positive context...
The idea that the wings are a formation of auric energy is fascinating!!! I wonder if each person my kid has seen wings on knows or suspects their presence as the folks in this thread do??Sadly, that's not really something I can go ask them..LOL.. :rolleyes:
Sadly Wingless, :whatgives
Tesh

[banondraig]

I have never shared this about myself, but I have believed I have wings for a long, long time - I can't remember being without them, although I haven't always been able to control them or to fly. They are "angelic," owlish, long creamy white ones touched with tan.

hmmm . . . white owl wings. i got the impression mine might be owl-feathered. they don't usually make "noise" when i stretch them. does that make sense?

[Hoot]

hmmm . . . white owl wings. i got the impression mine might be owl-feathered. they don't usually make "noise" when i stretch them. does that make sense?


Sure does! Predators' wings tend to be "quiet" for hunting, but they can get ruffled and noisy too! :lol:

[Gala]

This thread is so cool.

[Amarys]

You are making me really wonder about the itchy, achy pain I usually have on/between my shoulder blades. My Teacher always said my totem was an owl. I often have to consciously pull my shoulders down as if I have been hiding my head in my "wings". You've got me checking over my shoulder. Hmmm.

Blessed be
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[banondraig]

yep, aches between the shoulder blades. sounds very familiar.

[Gala]

yep, aches between the shoulder blades. sounds very familiar.
You know I have gotten aches in my shoulders but it is probably just aches.. I Was trying to think if any of my aches and pains could be etheral...or something, but I don't know. I have a burning sensation on my right shin...(leg not chin)... anyway. I always thought it was my grandfather, because he had a horrible scar there from his horse jumping a fence and Sarge's leg to most of the skin scraped off the shin... So I just figure he's with me when it burns...???

[mothwench]

angel wings? unsoliceted angel wings? :foh: that is weird. i like semele's and hoot's solutions, tho. :)
whoops. gala's i mean. the cow confused me! :lol:

[Teshuva3D]

I remember seeing strange things when I was a kid. I still see strange things, just not as often. Can she only see wings on actual people, or in photographs as well?
She has never mentioned seeing wings on people in photos...only when she'd see the actual person in the flesh...
I just now saw your question..so am going to ask my kid if she's "seen" wings on people in pictures or not in the morning...
I'd love to hear more about the strange things you've seen when you were a kid...did you see wings on some folks???

[Teshuva3D]

I have never shared this about myself, but I have believed I have wings for a long, long time - I can't remember being without them, although I haven't always been able to control them or to fly. They are "angelic," owlish, long creamy white ones touched with tan. Once years ago I even considered having a feather tattooed on my shoulder...

They are exercised when I visualize or dream fly, and I am trying to fly more often because I'm not really happy if I don't. I discovered over the past couple of years that when I need to "attend my own home" and take care of myself better, that my first indication of that - even before that need appears in any other way - is not being able to fly at all. Sometimes that's been a very healthy warning to me.
Hoot, from the posts of yours I've read,it doesn't surprise me at all that you have wings hun... :)

[Élistariel]

wings? I don't recall I was very shy as a kid and spent a good deal of time behind my mother's legs, then again somedays I'd "strike out on my own" in a walmart :lol: Mine centers more around ghosts and seeing things that "werent' there" floating about the room. I recall one time I was lyin' in bed and this statue bust goes floating by me. The things I saw were usually gray and translucent. Never seemed to bother me tho.

[DarkSidhe]

I concider myself an otherkin, though I despise the term itself. Hense the name. But I've never had wings, because I'm not that type of Fae. My problem sometimes is that I'm a lot bigger than I really am. Normally, I'm 6'2" 190lbs, but when stressed out, angry, or tired, I grow larger. I've actually bumped things off shelves while walking past that I don't physically touch, hit my head on low ceilings that are a foot taller than I stand, and been able to look down at ppl who are my same height. It's also a weird feeling when I think that my feet are hanging off the bed and out of the blankets and then look, and there they are where they're supposed to be. This started years ago when I was in High School. Football was so much easier afterwards, being able to knock down guys bigger than I actually was.

I've talked to dragon-kin who have said they have wings, and claws. I've chatted with Fae who have butterfly wings. And Weres who can feel their fur ruffle when they get angry. I don't think that it's such an uncommon thing. The only thing that upsets me sometimes is that you never see and Platypus-kin, or skunk-kin...

[Pesha]

Ummm errr.......well I have dragon wings that appear when I do certain rituals. So why not have angel wings. Sounds cool to me.

BB
DS.

[Kalika]

I keep them tucked in as well, and every now and then they must be stretched. Which feels great! But I too am wary of where I do that. As my wings are filled with my aural energy, I don't want people to walk through them, get caught in the surprise and cause accidents!

I find my wings a lot more versatile for directing and influencing energy than some of the visualisations I used previously. A big advantage is the immediate physical feedback. But I understand that can cause difficulties as well. As for muscles: I already have hurting back muscles, so I feel no noticable difference.

Odd... I've done this same visualization. :) It IS a good way for directing energy - and I agree, that you can get quite comfortable with it.

PS Banondraig - you are not a freak. I like the theory that your wings are for your homecoming.

[Gala]

whoops. gala's i mean. the cow confused me! :lol:

You know, the cow has that effect on some people..She likes it. She isn't afraid of having that effect on people. In fact the very idea of it amuses her. She chews her cud just a little faster. Hum. I'll have to keep a close eye on her.

[Teshuva3D]

wings? I don't recall I was very shy as a kid and spent a good deal of time behind my mother's legs, then again somedays I'd "strike out on my own" in a walmart :lol: Mine centers more around ghosts and seeing things that "werent' there" floating about the room. I recall one time I was lyin' in bed and this statue bust goes floating by me. The things I saw were usually gray and translucent. Never seemed to bother me tho.
wow hun it sounds to me like you were/are a great deal like my kid...although she wasn't a shy child when little but became shy as she got older because of some people's reactions to the strange things she'd say...and thanks for responding to my query..
I've yet to run a search on "otherkin" on Google as one poster suggested..but I'm enjoying this thread alot...
Blessings,
Tesh
Oh,and I've been busy and forgot to ask my kid is she's seen wings on folks in pics..will try to remember to ask her tonight...

[Teshuva3D]

... Normally, I'm 6'2" 190lbs, but when stressed out, angry, or tired, I grow larger. I've actually bumped things off shelves while walking past that I don't physically touch, hit my head on low ceilings that are a foot taller than I stand, and been able to look down at ppl who are my same height........

...... The only thing that upsets me sometimes is that you never see and Platypus-kin, or skunk-kin........
Well, maybe there are skunk-kin,and so forth...but the folks who are this might be more hesitant to communicate it for fear of ridicule..OR..might be more likely to write off their own impressions as nutty...and push it from their minds..( I,for one,wouldn't go about saying I felt like a snail sometimes..even in the most open minded groups..lol)
Now regarding your size shifts:
DarkSidhe...I've not experienced this myself but I've seen this happen to other people...
about the "growing larger" when they are angry or upset...also when in conversation if they are discussing something they feel very passionately about whether good or bad..
This thread is blowing my mind because it's making me think of an art professor I had many years ago in college...He taught drawing,painting, all two dimensional media if my memory serves me..
This man was a marvelous teacher,and VERY DYNAMIC...your post triggered my memory of him because when he'd first enter the classroom, he was of average height..but when he'd get in the "zone" of teaching he seemed to be about seven feet tall by the time the class was over..LOL...
Also,when I'd approach him for discussion..there would only be slight difference in eye level between us...but soon I was physically looking up to him...now,I don't mean we argued..but the more intensely he taught...the bigger he got..
What's really odd is that these unusual happenings never "struck" me at the time...we are all so enthused about him, and all of us were so wrapped up in our college lives that I guess these blatant anomalies kind of slipped past us...he was well loved and could have entered the classroom breathing flames and we wouldn't have cared..
Just thought you'd think this bit of info was interesting...
Do you ever grow larger when experiencing something positive?? or only in circumstances you listed in your post??? Am just excited about this subject and gathering information...
Thanks,
Tesh

[Teshuva3D]

Okay, one more post from me because I want to ask a question...then I'll ease up I promise...
Has anyone in this thread who experiences "otherkin" phenomena..had odd results in blood tests..physical exams...etc???
I recall when in a chem lab class many years ago...a fellow classmate whose blood wouldn't react "normally" in work we were doing..everyone's assignment was to prick their fingers and add saline solution to some of their blood samples...and just regular water to the second half of his or her sample...
We were to then look at our blood cells beneath a microscope to see the difference between de-hydrated blood cells and hydrated blood cells...which was QUITE obvious...
Well,the classmate I referred to earlier...had a heck of a time because her blood cells remained the same regardless of what she added to them..they didn't react to the different solutions...
The professor( Professor Grouch)...got huffy with her and made the solutions himself for her blood..insisting that she'd done something wrong...well,her blood cells didn't change for him either..
She finally had to take blood from another classmate's finger in order to complete the assignment..
I didn't know this girl personally,but her blood cell's resistance to changing as everyone else's did mystified us all..even Professor Grouch...
I do recall that she was extremely shy...and seemed uncomfortable with herself even before the incidents described above...
Okay,I'm done now,
Tesh

[Élistariel]

nope, last time I had a blood test done, everything turned out perfect. Well that is by whatever the standardized tests for blood samples are. If you've seen the "Maren's Ugly Blue Left Shoe" thread... I heal rather slowly. I broke my foot around Thanksgiving, (didn't get the medical sandal till a lil before Xmas) I'm STILL wearing the boot. I go back to the x-ray, for the 3rd time, the weekend after Valentine's. Then again it could be because I HATE the taste of milk. It's only good in cereal, so I KNOW my calcium level isn't what it should be. Even as a baby, when bottle-fed I got tea, not formula *thaaaanks mom and dad - sarcasm* (cause it was cheaper). Yet, then again...again... I may heal slow but I do heal well. Over time, most of my scars will disappear. Once, I fell face first onto the sidewalk, skinned my chin, hand, and elbow... REAL pleasant. :sick: It turned green and started peeling off (lil too much hydrogen peroxide) I had 3 lovely scars (this was 8th grade) I'm now 20... no scars. Well from that incident...Also, if I fell on my bike, and well landed on my bike to the point I bent the handle bars, I'd need only a minute to "recooperate" then I'd hop up and go again, I lil bruised if anything... but otherwise fine...

[banondraig]

about the "growing larger" when they are angry or upset...also when in conversation if they are discussing something they feel very passionately about whether good or bad..


HULK SMASH!!!!

sorry, had to. :) i snap my wings out when annoyed. it happens a lot lately because there are lots of persnickety military things to be done.

as for weird physical characteristics, my blood pressure runs slightly low even though i love salty foods. it is also extremely difficult for medical personnel to find my veins even though i am pretty much transparently pale. i had to have an iv once while i was out here, and it took four people to find a suitable vein! that was a somewhat worrying experience, fortunately it wasn't for anything more serious than dehydration due to "saddam's revenge".

i need my sleep, and once "programmed" to a certain schedule, have difficulty switching out of it. this caused great difficulty during the classroom phase of my army training as i was of course on a day schedule during basic training, lights out at 9pm. when i got to phase 2, all of a sudden i was on a swing shift with class running until 11pm! so of course i would nod out, no matter how much caffeine i drank. i would literally sit there with both legs and an arm twitching and still nod out! apart from that, i'm pretty normal.

edited to add: although i have allergies, i am very rarely sick. i can expect a few days of feeling coldish every winter, but it's rarely severe enough to the point that i feel like i need to stay home from work. i don't take painkillers and never even buy aspirin. also i have never been on the pill as the whole idea is slightly creepy to me. this severely disappointed one of my friends who once tried to ask me for the average cost of them while on the phone to his fiancee! i'll probably think of more stuff later.

[banondraig]

ok, this thread is a little old, but i mentioned the "wing thing" to my cousin and she said she had them, too! maybe it runs in families?

[Xentor]

It most certainly does. Just like other (para)normal properties.

[Lady Jade]

I wish I had wings...I can wish them into reality? Maybe that is why my back will hurt arbitrarily on some days?

Well, to those of you with wings... do you FLY? or try to? This is something I have never experienced and I am quite interested...please post more.

[Xentor]

Mine are an aura / astral manifestation, I created them for the specific purpose of directing my energy more specifically. They have a direct biofeedback. Like now I'm ill, and I can't stretch them.

[banondraig]

I wish I had wings...I can wish them into reality? Maybe that is why my back will hurt arbitrarily on some days?

Well, to those of you with wings... do you FLY? or try to? This is something I have never experienced and I am quite interested...please post more.

my wings are also not physically manifest, so i think trying to fly on them would be a Very Bad Idea. :) however, i did have a lot of aches between the shoulder blades before they decided to finally pop out. it could be that you have a "pre-wing condition" or maybe you just need to sit up straighter. :) i really couldn't say.

[Laurelei]

I've heard this thread mentioned twice now, and I find it really interesting so I searched it out and I'm bumping it up :p.


I wish I had wings...I can wish them into reality? Maybe that is why my back will hurt arbitrarily on some days?

Well, to those of you with wings... do you FLY? or try to? This is something I have never experienced and I am quite interested...please post more.

I fly in the astral... it's such an incredible feeling. The wind whips your face, your whole body rocks with every flap, it's amazing. It was scary learing how to though. I was stood up the top of a cliff over a lake with only my magpie-totem to give me advice, and I just... jumped. As soon as I managed to swoop up, it felt like i had been doing it for years, like it was instinct. As for the physical... I don't think I'll ever have the faith to try.

[Calyx]

Yay! Another otherkin thread revived! This is such good info for me...... (see other thread! :lol: )

I don't have wings that I know of, but perhaps I need to do an intense metphysical scrutiny of myself to see if anything unusual pops up.

I am intrigued because if I am reading this correctly, things seem to happen either at random, or after a period of time when the person seems to feel like something's not quite right. Am I correct about this or drifting down the wrong pathway?

[banondraig]

my wings popped up suddenly and undeniably after a couple of months of hints that they might be there. they did so entirely on their own. i'm not sure if this is the usual manner in which awakening/discovery happens or not.

[Windigo]

When I was younger I used to see angels. I don't see them much anymore but it's still good to know there's people like me out there.

[banondraig]

wow, windigo, that's really cool. would you mind sharing what the angels looked like?

[Xentor]

Moving this to Magic and Rituals, with the other Wings threads.

[asher]

when i was little i would see people very differently like with wings tails cute little animal faces and other stuff over the years ihad begun to distinguish them form the actual seen thing and sometimes i see my self and i know it's really strange but i see myself with like fairy features but it gives me major headaches so now i just try to focus

[Kaylara]

so a couple of days ago i couldn't sleep because i felt *wings*, of all the weird things, on my back. sort of like a phantom pain thing as i know they are not physically there. just that i felt/saw BIG freakin' feathery, white, angel-looking wings. it was so uncomfortable i wound having to try to sleep on my face, for as much sleep as i could get. this was three nights ago and i can feel them right now. sometimes they go away, and sometimes i can sort of force them to fold up, but this was just a weird disturbing experience. i mean, white ANGEL wings, not even cool red dragon wings or fairy wings. wtf. has anyone else here experienced this or am i just an even bigger freak than i thought?
Hrm... Did they just kinda appear there?

[banondraig]

pretty much. for a while beforehand i felt aches in my shoulder blades, but i didn't "see" any wings. i wasn't trying to acquire wings, they just showed up.

[Laurelei]

I just thought I'd share this with you lot, since this is a thread on wings :).

On Sunday, I was hanging around with a couple of Wiccans and we were practicing our empathy. One person would think of a number andthe other would try to see it, and I was trying different techniques. Anyway, I was trying to read the other one's mind and I stretched my wings out, and gently rested the tips on the girl's shoulders. Suddenly I got this incredible blast of insight, as if I had completed a circuit and the number was whizzing round, to me and back to her and I was seeing it whizz through my mind. I was right, too!

Has anyone else used their wings for something similar?

[banondraig]

i might have to try that, although i would have to work up to it. living in the barracks practically forces you to close yourself off to a certain extent, as you are constantly in a crowd. :( to answer your question, all i have really used mine for is as a kind of energy heat sink when i am keyed up, or as a form of shielding, by wrapping them around myself. is this along the lines of what you wanted to know?

[Laurelei]

is this along the lines of what you wanted to know?

I'm just interested at what uses people find for their wings :).

Oh, the other day I was in PE, getting bombarded by volleyballs, and I suddenly noticed that the way I have always shielded myself (holding my arms up in front of my face, the tops of my forearms facing out towards the threat) is remarkable similar to the way birds shield themselves with their wings! :p

[Xentor]

Has anyone else used their wings for something similar?

I use mine in healing, for instance.
On Wings

[StephanieAine]

Wow. I just can't resist posting in this thread! (I've been away from MW for a couple of weeks, or a few weeks... something like that... due to computer problems combined with some family things going on, and I intended to not enter any threads until tomorrow, when I can post a proper "hello, I'm back" message... but you people have me all intrigued <g>. Now I can't help myself.)

As some of you already know through conversations with me (or by looking to the left, as the case may be!) - I'm a Celtic Christian and not even remotely pagan/witch/Wiccan/'otherkin' or anything of the sort.

However, this "sprouting wings" situation being discussed is fascinating from a Christian standpoint. Now, I don't know a ton about this, but I know snippets of information from here and there, some of which includes information from the Old Testament. This will probably surprise you (I know I was pretty shocked), but the Old Testament mentions angels having relations with human beings... and I *think* (although I could be wrong; I don't have the refs in front of me) there is mention of a hybrid angel/human race developing. There is ***very*** little information in the Bible about it; it's just mentioned in passing, and so it's not a subject discussed at any great length among Christians.

It's interesting, too, because I happened to catch the second half of a lecture that was on TV within the last month or so, and the guy was talking about a race of angelic beings... he's apparently a former atheist with some kind of background having to do with medicine or biology. He got interested in the subject of extraterrestrial life when he heard an abduction story from a married couple (elderly people who attended church, but were apparently thrown out of church because the people there didn't want them saying they had been contacted by aliens; said it wasn't Biblical). So, he decided to research what the Bible said about it, or about anything connected to the topic. In studying the subject of angels (not the New Age angel kind of study, but more focused on what the Bible says, and using various sciences to see how the info might be proven or disproven... well, to whatever extent possible), he got really interested in the good angel/bad angel, human/alien stuff... and developed his own theories about it.

I have to admit to being a major skeptic about many things, and I'm probably guilty of "tuning out" quite a lot of what he said, just because it all seemed so unlikely (or even silly)... but I also have to admit that he did make a lot of sense in *some* areas. I think one of my biggest reasons for tuning him out to begin with was the fact that it didn't make sense that the issue of "angel/human hybrids" would be ignored by Christianity if, in fact, the scripture brought up the issue. Especially since there are pastors who can speak for hours about *one small phrase* in scripture. My thinking was that even if the topic is only *hinted* at, surely the Christian researchers of the world would have spent some time on the subject.

But the guy doing the lecture indicated that it was an uncomfortable subject since there *is* such a tiny amount of Biblical information, and I guess the Catholic church didn't really know how to address it (and of course, the Protestant branch of the church came much later, and there was no real reason to dig into the issue. In the scheme of things, it doesn't really have anything to do with Christian living, spiritual practice, etc... it's more or less just part of the scriptural history timeline, if it happened at all, and would really be "background." Minor background.)

But the speaker thinks it *does* make a difference and should be studied, so he is devoting all of his time to the subject. He's also interested in "the alien abduction phenomenon" and whether in fact people may be assuming they're meeting scary aliens when actually (according to him) they're meeting scary angels.

Now that I've read this thread, I wish I would have paid more attention to what he was saying! I have no idea what his name was, either - but there probably aren't too many Christian guys conducting lectures on aliens, human/angel hybrids, evil angels and good angels <g> so I bet the info could be Googled if anyone is curious about it.