Scrying Mirror.....how to?

[WiccanGoddess]

I am wanting to make a good scrying mirror, but I have no idea how and what supplies are needed. I have very little allowence at the moment, and I would like to know how to make one cheap. I will need to know procedure and supplies. Thanx!

Elizabeth

[Klucky]

This is what I do:

Get a mirror. Doesn't matter what size. Paint the reflective part black. Decorate it any other way you want (beads, ribbons, etc.). Bless it.

Does that help? :)

-Klucky

[~*Ginger*~]

I've not made one...but...
here's a how to link (http://www.moonsweb.com/craftscrym.shtml)

[WiccanGoddess]

Thanx, Klucky. Short, simple, CHEAP. I've got to get some black spray paint, though, but I've got plenty of mirrors. That does, help. Thanx!

[Klucky]

Thanx, Klucky. Short, simple, CHEAP. I've got to get some black spray paint, though, but I've got plenty of mirrors. That does, help. Thanx!

Make sure you spray paint it OUTSIDE, though. :ahhhh:

-Klucky

[WiccanGoddess]

Thanx Flora for the link. I will be sure to check it out soon, as I have to get off now. Thanx! *I love this place.....always get the help I need*

[WiccanGoddess]

Outside, yes, yes. No need to be smelling and inhaling, now.

[Demeter]

Get a nice picture frame that comes with glass. Take the glass out and spraypaint it black on one side. Use several light coats, not all one heavy coat. Put the glass back in the frame so the shiny side is out. Decorate and consecrate the mirror as desired.

(If you start with a true mirror, you have to take the silver backing off, and that's an unnecessary step; just starting with a piece of glass is fine.)

[Kalika]

I have one made out of a picture frame.

You spray paint the back side of the glass black... and viola. Black mirror. :p

Works for me.

[Lucius]

A certain wonderful person here at MW is gonna be making me a stunningly beautiful one. I can't wait to get it and start using it. yayness~!

[RubyRose]

Ooh! Interesting thread. This just reminds me exactly how many craft projects I have going.

[indigo rain]

if you want it to be concave, like some people, you can get a bowl and paint the inside glossy black. shiny, black, smooth, reflective, concave surface=perfect scrying mirror.

[Isil Darkmoon]

I just made mine recently... I bought a candle stand from yankee candles... it had clear glass in the middle, tiles around the edges, and dragon's tears holding it off the ground. All I had to do was paint the underside black (I used acrylic), and decorate it as I liked. (http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=44662 for pictures)

[ButterflyBranwynn]

:lol: I have been wanting to make one myself now for a long time. If I would have known it would be that easy... geesh. :) I will have to do that soon!

:colorful:
Blessings,
ButterflyBranwynn


This is what I do:

Get a mirror. Doesn't matter what size. Paint the reflective part black. Decorate it any other way you want (beads, ribbons, etc.). Bless it.

Does that help? :)

-Klucky

[Ben Gruagach]

I've made a scrying mirror really simply (and without having to paint anything) by just putting a piece of black paper in a picture frame that has glass in it.

Voila! Instant black mirror for scrying.

I imagine you could also use black cloth placed in a picture frame behind the glass. That might be trickier though to avoid wrinkles and to get a consistent black background.

[MerrisHawk]

My dad offered this suggestion, the hardware store carries mirror tiles, some of them are black. You can frame it or cut it to fit your frame and you've got a scrying mirror.
Not bad for a non pagan dad. :hehehehe:

[asamananara]

So, um. What exactly distinguishes one of these obviously
potent magical mirrors of scrying from, say... oh, I donno- a piece
of blackened glass?
Just color me curious.

[Klucky]

So, um. What exactly distinguishes one of these obviously
potent magical mirrors of scrying from, say... oh, I donno- a piece
of blackened glass?
Just color me curious.

Personally, I would say blessing and charging it first. Of course, they're all pieces of blackened glass in the beginning. After using one more and more times for scrying, the more it becomes a scrying tool. :)

-Klucky

[Grace]

A word of warning.
Becareful here
You are into alot.
Why do you want one?
For what purpose?

[Ben Gruagach]

A word of warning.
Becareful here
You are into alot.
Why do you want one?
For what purpose?

I've seen people give all sorts of warnings about scrying, Ouija, etc. over the years. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Would we give the same warnings to a person who dared to pray to the Christian god? After all, if they pray to that god they might get a response.

What about people who participate in Jewish rituals? Should they be careful too?

How about followers of ANY path? They might get results, after all.

Scrying, reading the tarot, using a pendulum, using a Ouija board, even PRAYING are all about trying to talk with something else, trying to get information from "out there" whether we identify the other speaker as a ghost, a god or goddess, or even just our own "higher selves." They are tools. If they all really do the same thing, then why should one method be inherently more dangerous than another?

Just curious. Perhaps someone can explain it in a way that makes sense rather than just saying "it's dangerous just because."

[skilly-nilly]

Scrying, reading the tarot, using a pendulum, using a Ouija board, even PRAYING are all about trying to talk with something else, trying to get information from "out there" whether we identify the other speaker as a ghost, a god or goddess, or even just our own "higher selves." They are tools. If they all really do the same thing, then why should one method be inherently more dangerous than another?

Just curious. Perhaps someone can explain it in a way that makes sense rather than just saying "it's dangerous just because."

Good point.

I think that the differences in those tools lie with who is being invited to participate, what participation is allowed, and what outcome can result.

I see scrying and using fixed divinatory tools as asking for information from a known source. Sort of like pulling into a gas station and asking directions when lost.

I see praying as asking a known and trusted source--sort of like asking someone who'se already been there for directions before you set out.

I see using an ouija board as being like stopping in a bad neighborhood, inviting someone off the street into your car, and driving off with them directing.

My sister describes ouija as a bad neighborhood, so I am just borrowing. But it seems valid to me--if there is a place where unwholesome spirits hang out, why would nice ones hang there too? Bad energy drives out good(to be simplistic).

There is also the question of threshold Magic, which I believe in strongly. As I understand it, using an ouija board involves inviting anyone who cares to come into your spiritual space, without invoking the protection of anyone who might act to keep out troublesome or dangerous beings. Traditionally, I think, the invitation is specifically to dead people, who, in my opinion, are as likely to be not-nice as anyone else. You don't fling open your doors and yell out to the mundane world, "I'm invoking here! Anyone??" Why do it in Spirit?

I use divinatory tools--I don't think that embodiments are invited in, just messages. When I divine, I also pray so the Spirit present is known to me and welcome then and whenever I pray. She, as well, will protect me from 'home invasion' both when I pray and at all times. I think that there are not-nice spirits just as there are not-nice people and I think that exercising control over one's personal space is necessary.

:nonono: :smoke: --skilly-nilly

[Ben Gruagach]

I think that the differences in those tools lie with who is being invited to participate, what participation is allowed, and what outcome can result.

I see scrying and using fixed divinatory tools as asking for information from a known source. Sort of like pulling into a gas station and asking directions when lost.

I see praying as asking a known and trusted source--sort of like asking someone who'se already been there for directions before you set out.

I see using an ouija board as being like stopping in a bad neighborhood, inviting someone off the street into your car, and driving off with them directing.


When people pray to "the Lord" or "the Lady" how do they know they're not really getting a specific deity, like Isis, or Hecate, or Cerridwen, or Freya, or Odin, or Coyote?

When I read the tarot cards how do I know the intelligence that is speaking is any different than the intelligence that speaks to me through the Ouija board?

I understand that there is a common perception that the Ouija board is "dangerous" when compared to tarot, pendulums, etc., but telling me it's like a "bad neighborhood" doesn't really explain it. It's just repeating the warning without any explanation of why it's inherently different.

My own belief is that it is all about intent, the atmosphere you set up when you practice that form of divination, and what your expectations are. If you are sloppy with one form of divination and really careful with another, then it's not surprising you might get different sorts of results. But that's because of how the person is practicing and really has nothing to do with specific tool being used.

If you cast a circle, do an evocatory statement to invite a specific deity to be present and to communicate with you through a Ouija board, it could be a very spiritual and uplifting experience. And if you just yank out a tarot deck and flip over cards "just to see what turns up" you might be getting messages from something out there from the so-called "bad neighborhood."

[mucgwyrt]

I've seen people give all sorts of warnings about scrying, Ouija, etc. over the years. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Would we give the same warnings to a person who dared to pray to the Christian god? After all, if they pray to that god they might get a response.

What about people who participate in Jewish rituals? Should they be careful too?

How about followers of ANY path? They might get results, after all.

Scrying, reading the tarot, using a pendulum, using a Ouija board, even PRAYING are all about trying to talk with something else, trying to get information from "out there" whether we identify the other speaker as a ghost, a god or goddess, or even just our own "higher selves." They are tools. If they all really do the same thing, then why should one method be inherently more dangerous than another?

Just curious. Perhaps someone can explain it in a way that makes sense rather than just saying "it's dangerous just because."
Well said.

[mucgwyrt]

When people pray to "the Lord" or "the Lady" how do they know they're not really getting a specific deity, like Isis, or Hecate, or Cerridwen, or Freya, or Odin, or Coyote?

Some of is believe that each individual god/ess is just one part of a whole. Therefore Isis, for example, is just an aspect of the Whole; of the 'Lady'. What does it matter which aspect of the Whole replies?

My theory on Tarot (and I think most other people's also) is that you tap into the Collective Unconscious, not an outside entity or spirit - it works using your own higher, omnicient self. You are picking each card purposely (though you dont know it) in order to transfer knowledge from your higher self and into to your consious thoughts.

[Ben Gruagach]

Some of is believe that each individual god/ess is just one part of a whole. Therefore Isis, for example, is just an aspect of the Whole; of the 'Lady'. What does it matter which aspect of the Whole replies?

I'm one of those Wiccans who believes all deities are really aspects of a larger, essentially unknowable deity. But I know there are lots of Pagans out there who disagree with that idea who are very vocal about saying that Hecate and Isis are not just different aspects of the same larger deity. It's those types of people I could see saying that it could be dangerous to pray to "the Goddess" as you might get a goddess who is rather difficult to deal with, like Hecate or the Morrigan or Cerridwen. But I can't say I've seen anyone actually warn Wiccans about praying to "the Goddess" because they might get a goddess they don't want. It just strikes me as a logical extension of the thinking that the Ouija is inherently bad if you follow me.


My theory on Tarot (and I think most other people's also) is that you tap into the Collective Unconscious, not an outside entity or spirit - it works using your own higher, omnicient self. You are picking each card purposely (though you dont know it) in order to transfer knowledge from your higher self and into to your consious thoughts.

That is precisely my own thinking on the matter too. I don't limit it to just where the info from Tarot readings comes from. I think that's the same source that all divination info (even the Ouija) comes from. And to tie it into ideas about the Divine, I think that Higher Self is a spark of the Divine that dwells in each of us and is really a part of the whole which makes up the Divine. It's that panentheist idea, that the Divine dwells in everything but is also much greater than the sum of all the parts.

[mucgwyrt]

I'm one of those Wiccans who believes all deities are really aspects of a larger, essentially unknowable deity. But I know there are lots of Pagans out there who disagree with that idea who are very vocal about saying that Hecate and Isis are not just different aspects of the same larger deity. It's those types of people I could see saying that it could be dangerous to pray to "the Goddess" as you might get a goddess who is rather difficult to deal with, like Hecate or the Morrigan or Cerridwen. But I can't say I've seen anyone actually warn Wiccans about praying to "the Goddess" because they might get a goddess they don't want. It just strikes me as a logical extension of the thinking that the Ouija is inherently bad if you follow me.



That is precisely my own thinking on the matter too. I don't limit it to just where the info from Tarot readings comes from. I think that's the same source that all divination info (even the Ouija) comes from. And to tie it into ideas about the Divine, I think that Higher Self is a spark of the Divine that dwells in each of us and is really a part of the whole which makes up the Divine. It's that panentheist idea, that the Divine dwells in everything but is also much greater than the sum of all the parts.
Looks like we think the same way :)

[Goddess Rhiannon]

Wow....I never spray paint mine....I paint mine the hard way. Maybe that is why mine pick up so much of my energy.....I guess I really am old. No shortcuts here.

[skilly-nilly]

I'm one of those Wiccans who believes all deities are really aspects of a larger, essentially unknowable deity. But I know there are lots of Pagans out there who disagree with that idea who are very vocal about saying that Hecate and Isis are not just different aspects of the same larger deity. It's those types of people I could see saying that it could be dangerous to pray to "the Goddess" as you might get a goddess who is rather difficult to deal with, like Hecate or the Morrigan or Cerridwen. But I can't say I've seen anyone actually warn Wiccans about praying to "the Goddess" because they might get a goddess they don't want. It just strikes me as a logical extension of the thinking that the Ouija is inherently bad if you follow me.


I see what you're saying and I agree, in part. I respect the concept of Individuals as aspects, and I do believe that the Mind of God is unknowable to us. Therefore, I believe, God (I perceive and use God as a non-sexed, inclusionary word--not trying to exclude anyone else's perceptions) works with our perceptions to create personifications that we ARE able to communicate with.
I see the Gods/desses as individuals created by means of synergistic Magic by ourselves and the Mind of God, and called up out of the collective unconscious. To me, they have individuation but also completely inter-communicate.

So, when we communicate with Spirit in any way(praying, Magic, divination, ouija) intent affects Energy. I believe that when a Wiccan prays to 'The Goddess' s/he has a mental conceptualization that affects who answers, no matter how non-Partesian they try to make themselves. If they call to Someone who has a personification built by many peoples' visualizations, they may be surprized--all of the newbie-visuals of The Morrigan as a slim young hottie in black leather bondage gear who gives you what you want are as snow on the stove to the millenia in which She brought a good death to the battlefields.

As well, negative visualizations affect Energy. I have read many many different people talking about using ouija boards and there is very very often an undercurrent of deamonology, the frisson of doing something forbidden, a strong componant of rebellion at conventional mainstream religion, and fear that the participant is doing something wrong.
This, to my mind, is what creates the bad neighborhood and calls up the not-nice spirits that are hanging about, smoking and spitting on the sidewalks, waiting to answer.
So if a well-intentioned person used an ouija board with protection and with a clear and good intent and knowledge of and experience with communication with Spirit, yes, nothing untoward would happen---but I bet that practicioner already has a better tool than an ouija board attuned to hir use.

I see warnings against ouija boards as a part of the experienced Witch's geáse--part of the general advice that grounding is the good first lesson, and to not call what you can't release and to understand the outcome before you make Wishes......

:broomride ---skilly-nilly