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Mariposa De La Luna
July 19th, 2001, 02:14 PM
http://cultureandfamily.org/report/2001-07-18/m_mists-avalon.shtml
Ted Turner Presents the `Myths' of Avalon
By Martha Kleder

Ted Turner's TNT cable network has launched an open assault on
Christianity with a made-for-TV miniseries depicting witchcraft as a
compassionate alternative.

"I fully expect controversy; I welcome it," said Mark Wompler,
executive producer of TNT's "The Mists of Avalon," part one of which
debuted on Sunday (July 15). Part Two aired Monday.

"We made a conscious effort to represent paganism as a warm, earthy
religion and Christianity as a harsh religion," Wolper told TV Data
Features Syndicate.

Network owner Ted Turner, an avowed atheist, has made numerous
statements critical of Christianity and Christians in recent years.
His former wife, actress Jane Fonda, reportedly converted to
Christianity, which some observers say contributed to the couple's
subsequent divorce.

The miniseries, based on the 1984 novel by Marion Zimmer Bradley,
centers on King Arthur's Camelot and the land of Avalon, the center
of mysticism. However, "Mists" turns traditional Arthurian legend on
its head. This story is told from the view of Morgaine LeFay, played
by Julianna Margulies, a pagan priestess and villain in the original
tale.

The book has developed an extensive following. Numerous, sometimes
cult-like, Web sites are dedicated to it.

"A person cannot read this book and not question his or her faith,"
said Robin on one such site, titled Avalon Metaphysical.

"Nothing I've ever read before has made me feel accepted and
understood. (My family is extremely Catholic.) There were many times
in the book when I just wanted to shout aloud `yes, that's how it
should be!'" said Jennifer on the same Web site.

Many of those praising the book mention reading it when they were
young teen-agers, while others praise it for introducing them to a
new, feminist-humanistic religion.

"That's why this is another side of Arthurian legend," says executive
producer Wolper. "It's not about two guys fighting over a girl they
love. It's about two religions fighting over a world they love, and
that's much bigger."

In "Mists," the pagan priestesses launch a plot to "save" the throne
of Camelot from Christianity.

"It's really not a revival," said Dr. Janice Crouse, senior fellow at
the Beverly LaHaye Institute. "It's a rebellion—a rebellion against
orthodox Christian beliefs and practice."

Dr. Crouse told C&F Report that the miniseries will bring a higher
profile to ongoing efforts to revive goddess religions.

Feminists are already actively promoting the "Re-imagining movement"
within mainstream Christian denominations, particularly among United
Methodists. Their goal is to inject pagan, feminist, goddess worship.

"We cannot remain quiet while radical feminists undermine the
traditional Judeo-Christian teachings that form the moral foundation
of our society," Crouse said. "When everyone is free to `imagine'
their own theology, the question `What's God got to do with it?'
becomes moot, the church becomes irrelevant, and the religious basis
of culture disintegrates."

The new paganism as presented by "Mists" is especially attractive to
those who are unchurched and ignorant of paganism's real heritage.

"Religion doesn't play a part in my life today," actress Julianna
Margulies told TV Data. "But for me, what this story represents truly
is the power of religion. You know, when the Christians came to
power, women were no longer important. I think that's a real strong
message, and we're trying to regain that back in some way in today's
world."

The "empowerment" of paganism includes the sexual celebration of
Beltane, now known as May Day. According to pagan traditions, it
commemorates the time that the "god of heaven" and the "goddess of
earth" conceived a child.

Other legacies of paganism, in many cultures around the world,
include human sacrifice, rape in the name of religion, and temple
prostitutes—not exactly "empowering" practices for women. All of
these practices ended only after the introduction of a Christian
ethic to primitive societies around the world.

In the TNT story, Margulies' own character, Morgaine, is offered
sexually to an anonymous young man who killed a stag.

"The messages of paganism and wicca are a tapestry of theological
tomfoolery," said Crouse.

"The Mists of Avalon," will re-air throughout the month of July on
TNT.

clef0628
July 19th, 2001, 02:41 PM
Good for TNT, it is about someone shows Paganism as being a warm earthy religion.

Myst
July 19th, 2001, 02:47 PM
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I was THISCLOSE to banging off a very angry rude letter to the owners of the publication in which that article was posted. Especially in regards to the lines

"The new paganism as presented by “Mists” is especially attractive to those who are unchurched and ignorant of paganism’s real heritage."
and
"Other legacies of paganism, in many cultures around the world, include human sacrifice, rape in the name of religion, and temple prostitutes—not exactly “empowering” practices for women. All of these practices ended only after the introduction of a Christian ethic to primitive societies around the world."

Obviously these people are too small-minded to even try to grasp at the understanding behind these Pagan practices. Such as the willing sacrifice of the Year King as he dies if needed for his land. I don't know where they got "rape in the name of religion", but I happen to know there were just as many Romans and Christians who did that as any Pagans could have. What gives them the right to think they know anything about truth of anyone else's beliefs?

Then I went to their homepage to get the email address at which to write, http://cultureandfamily.org/, and found some of their "headlines", especially the one regarding the Bush Admin's Republican Homosexual Agenda... Apparently there is no point in trying to reason with these people. This infuriates me.
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Dagda Moon~Lily
July 19th, 2001, 02:55 PM
Well Met!

loopy
July 19th, 2001, 03:21 PM
Word, WillowRaven.

Earth Walker
July 19th, 2001, 07:21 PM
Strange....:confused:
I have read many books on the Herstory of Goddess/Pagan
Traditions, and nowhere does it mention sacrificing people.
Just another ludicrous, asinine theory from mainstream society,
just like Pagans are sex-crazed maniacs and feasting, glutinous
pigs!

Give us a break! :mad: :G

Merrie
July 19th, 2001, 08:00 PM
Yay, WillowRaven!
Yay, Mystique!
Yay, Mark Wompler, who welcomes his controversy!!!! More power to him!

(P.S.-Boo! Hiss!- to Culture and Family.com!!!)

Rævyn Cigány
July 19th, 2001, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Mystique
Strange....:confused:
I have read many books on the Herstory of Goddess/Pagan
Traditions, and nowhere does it mention sacrificing people.
Just another ludicrous, asinine theory from mainstream society,
just like Pagans are sex-crazed maniacs and feasting, glutinous
pigs!

Give us a break! :mad: :G

Yeah, what she said....sheesh :rolleyes: Overall though, with the exception of those two particular (STOOPID) comments, I think they're finally starting to warm up and smarten up :)

BB

Rae )0(

Wyrdsister
July 19th, 2001, 11:14 PM
Just when you think you're reading something rather good, they smack you over the head with garbage:

<i>"Other legacies of paganism, in many cultures around the world, include human sacrifice, rape in the name of religion, and temple prostitutes—not exactly "empowering" practices for women. All of these practices ended only after the introduction of a Christian ethic to primitive societies around the world." </i>

Where do they think they get off??!?! Ick. No, Double Ick, in fact!! :mad:

*sigh* Okay, it's past my bedtime... ;)

Wyrdsister

Draeconin
July 20th, 2001, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Mystique
Strange....:confused:
I have read many books on the Herstory of Goddess/Pagan
Traditions, and nowhere does it mention sacrificing people.
Just another ludicrous, asinine theory from mainstream society,
just like Pagans are sex-crazed maniacs and feasting, glutinous
pigs!

Give us a break! :mad: :G

What have you read, and about which religion/s? Because human sacrifice *was* quite common in almost all cultures. Read the Bible, and you'll find Abraham (I think) ready to sacrifice his son to his god. In that instance, the story holds, Yahweh relents - a test of the man's faith, only. But it makes it plain that such sacrifice was accepted practice. And not only in the Middle East, but all over Europe, the East, in South America, Africa and in various and sundry other places.

In most cultures the sacrifice was a willing victim, as an unwilling sacrifice was not likely to carry your pleas to the gods. In others it was blood that mattered, for blood is the stuff of life and the sacrifice was a matter of feeding their god/s - hoping to propitiate them so their lives would be spared, or at least made less of a struggle. Life was harsh back then. If the weather wasn't good, crops could fail and the population would starve. If a virulent illness hit, there was little to nothing they could do about it. And there was *so* much more.

However, in some cultures it was much more rare than in others. In some, human sacrifice was only considered when the worst happened. In others, it could be all too common.

But Christianity has no room for pointing fingers. The various Inquisitions, Holy Wars and various and sundry other horrendous acts done in the name of their religion makes theirs the bloodiest religion in known history. Yes, that's all in the past - so why do *they* keep dredging it up?

Myst
July 20th, 2001, 02:18 AM
<OT> Study some of the myth behind the Pagan holiday of Lammas, as well as the ancient practices involved in this myth. While Lammas was a harvest festival, there was a practice wherein when needed a Year King was sacrificed should he need to have been at this time (to insure the harvest went well). There was also a practice wherein the King lay with a priestess who represented the Goddess, thereby uniting himself with his Country and promising that in time of need he would die for it. These sacrifices were made willingly and were not the bloody torturous Pagan sacrifices some would have you believe in. I think there's a thread somewhere else on the myth and history here so feel free to visit it. The sex part comes largely from the fact that Pagans believe that the act is joyous and celebrates the love and unity of energies/life. The fact is we're just not prudes :) But I fear I get too far OT :)
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Regardless of your beliefs of the history/myth of sacrifice etc. (for, after all, we weren't there so how can we be sure?), this article quite quickly made them out to be disgusting acts with no regard for their true nature.