What a sick world we live in

[CloakofStars9]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=598&e=2&u=/nm/crime_christ_dc



HOUSTON (Reuters) - A repentant Texas man went to police after seeing Mel Gibson (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/celeb/*http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Mel%20Gibson%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw))'s controversial film "The Passion of Christ" and confessed to murdering a 19-year-old woman who was pregnant with his child, authorities said on Thursday.



Police had thought Ashley Nicole Wilson, who died on Jan. 18, had hanged herself, but Dan Leach, 21, went to them on March 9 to admit that he had killed her, said Fort Bend County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jeannie Gage.



Leach wanted to seek redemption after talking to a friend and seeing the movie about the last hours of Christ's life, she said.



"He mentioned that speaking with the friend and seeing the movie 'The Passion of Christ' made him feel remorse," Gage said.

Leach said he killed Wilson because she was pregnant with his child and he did not want to be involved with her anymore, she said

[mucgwyrt]

Messed up, but at least he fessed.

[Cobalt Cobra]

That's revolting.

[13thChylde]

How do you "seek redemption" by breaking a commandment?

Very sad.

[DragonFriend]

.. I hate this carry on of being able to do whatever and its all ok as long as you say sorry........not so much for every day stuff - mistakes - I mean everyone makes those!! But killing someone???

Isnt it all about taking complete responsibility for your actions??? For me its part of my belief that "what goes around comes around" After all the 3 times rule doesnt just apply to casting spells or magic.

I know Im going to be called to account for my actions - doesnt take a film to work that one out or guilt trip me there.

[FaerieGothMommy]

Absoloutly sickening!!! :(

Can someone tell me this mans punishment? Sorry if i missed it.

[Bainidhe Dub]

Completely sick and inexcusable - I don't care whether or not he's seeking redemption through confessing. He should fry.

[Thor]

I Agree!

[branwen74]

that is revolting, the things people will do to run away from things. :fpatricks

[Antoninus]

Man I hope the other prisoners mess him up so bad they cant indentify his remains. Its good that he confessed, but still, what he did is just plain sick.

[Nitefalle]

It's because of people like this that I am for the death penalty.

~N~

[Semele]

Oh please...this man's sick obsessions with death had nothing to do with that movie. It was just a cool thing to say when he committed the crime. Just something else to throw out there and get more attention drawn to his case. It's a sad day when you have to add glorifying details to such a heinous crime in order for it to get press. Man hangs pregnant girlfriend. eh not too shocking. But, Man hangs pregnant girlfiend after watching Passion of the Christ .... now there is a headline!

*walks away shaking her head*

[CloakofStars9]

totally agree girl ^^^^

[Laisrean]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=3&u=/nm/20040326/od_nm/crime_christ_dc

I'm not sure whether this belongs in the sports and entertainment forum or not, so I decided to post it here.

[Bainidhe Dub]

Exactly!

[Semele]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=3&u=/nm/20040326/od_nm/crime_christ_dc

I'm not sure whether this belongs in the sports and entertainment forum or not, so I decided to post it here.
There is a thread about it already, I am merging this with that thread! :)

[Laisrean]

There is a thread about it already, I am merging this with that thread! :)

Ah, ok. Didn't notice this thread. :)

[Laisrean]

Well, it is a good thing this guy confessed, whether it required him to watch a movie for it or not.... Because if he didn't confess no one would have known the girl was murdered because everyone suspected it was suicide.

With that said he should rot in prison for the rest of his life.

[WrathofCirce]

I saw that on the news last night. Apparantly, Mel Gibson's camp is trying to point out "miracles" that happened related to the movie, and Lester Holt (MSNBC) was pointing out the bad things that also surrounded the film. At least the guy was moved to confess and the people who loved that girl can know that she did not kill herself.

[aluokaloo]

That is the most disgusting thing! I mean come on all he had to was say I don't want to be with you anymore, people like that should get torn into little bitty pieces while they are awake, I hope he dies a terible painful death. Maybe he'll be so remorseful he'll "Commit suicide" if you catch my drift in prison. You know the ones where there hands and legs are tied up and they are hanging from whatever it is they hand from. Sick f*#k! I hope I don't get in trouble for that. :flamer:

[blueiris]

*shakes head sadly*

[Immrama]

Thats disgusting... and one of the reasons I am here exploring other forms of worship. I was born, bred and raised Roman Catholic.. but there seem to be so few good, genuine ones.. while I have many pagan friends and they are so nice and supportive... and accepting... and genuine.... unlike those who worship in my Church.... who are there just to say they went..*sigh*

[Pesha]

My goodness what a sad world it is indeed. I can only just shake my head and cry for the loss of the girl and her child.

BB
DS.

[Kaylara]

They're in Texas right? I hope they fry him.

[Yasmine Galenorn]

Completely sick and inexcusable - I don't care whether or not he's seeking redemption through confessing. He should fry.

Yep...remorseful or not, he committed the crime, he needs to pay the price. People are so good at copouts anymore..."Oh, I did it because I'm sick...because I was so angry I couldn't think...because the devil made me do it...because I was stupid..." All just excuses. Self defense is one thing, but things like this...nope...

At least, though, I will say, he stepped up and took responsibility for what he did. That is something...way too little, and always too late, but it's something.

Yasmine :colorful:

[Bainidhe Dub]

At least, though, I will say, he stepped up and took responsibility for what he did. That is something...way too little, and always too late, but it's something.

Yasmine :colorful:

I understand that it's something that he did come forward to say he did it and for the parents' of his gf to know now that it wasn't suicide... but now her parents must face the reality that they've lost a daughter and grandchild because of *him* - and that he's looking for forgiveness.

My thoughts are with her parents.

[~ Monk ~]

I saw this earlier today. Just unreal. :geez:

[Semele]

Thats disgusting... and one of the reasons I am here exploring other forms of worship. I was born, bred and raised Roman Catholic.. but there seem to be so few good, genuine ones.. while I have many pagan friends and they are so nice and supportive... and accepting... and genuine.... unlike those who worship in my Church.... who are there just to say they went..*sigh*
Well I hate to for you to be misled. There are murderous infantile monsters of each and every religious persuasion. Just as there are bigots and hypocrits in each faith. If you wanted to search long enough I am sure you could turn up a pagan criminal or two and maybe even some here in our community. The point is you just have to get past that and be who you are and see the world the way you want to see it. Recognise the good and embrace that which inspires you and put away the rest. Refuse to feed it and it will die.

[bellamandu]

idk... its kinda like when the guy who played jesus claimed to be struck by lightning twice while being hung on the cross. said it was a sign from jesus....


honestly, it wouldn't be so "amazing" if it wasnt giving its credit to the movie. its just publicity.... and the guy should fry....

[dragonspirit 69]

Completely sick and inexcusable - I don't care whether or not he's seeking redemption through confessing. He should fry.


I'm right there with you !!! One of the things that I never understood in christionanity was that if you do something and you confessed to you sin than you were forgiven and would go to heaven. You don't even have to confess to the law inforcement just a clergy who even if you kill someone can't tell anyone. This idea is just stupid to me. sorry for the rant. :rant:

[Laisrean]

I'm right there with you !!! One of the things that I never understood in christionanity was that if you do something and you confessed to you sin than you were forgiven and would go to heaven. You don't even have to confess to the law inforcement just a clergy who even if you kill someone can't tell anyone. This idea is just stupid to me. sorry for the rant. :rant:

The Clergy has turned murderer in to authorities in some instances. Can't say they do it with all murders, but sometimes they do....

And no, I don't believe he should fry, or be cut into pieces, or anything of that nature. He should however be locked in a cell for the rest of his life so he cannot harm anyone else. It saddens me when people say all the things they would like to do to criminals.... :geez:

[Marchosias]

They're in Texas right? I hope they fry him.

He will fry either way, if you get my meaning.

[Marchosias]

The Clergy has turned murderer in to authorities in some instances. Can't say they do it with all murders, but sometimes they do....



Now that I find sickening. Clergy are not supposed to do that. :(

[Yasmine Galenorn]

Well I hate to for you to be misled. There are murderous infantile monsters of each and every religious persuasion. Just as there are bigots and hypocrits in each faith. If you wanted to search long enough I am sure you could turn up a pagan criminal or two and maybe even some here in our community. The point is you just have to get past that and be who you are and see the world the way you want to see it. Recognise the good and embrace that which inspires you and put away the rest. Refuse to feed it and it will die.

I agree. I have friends of many religions who are good, caring, responsible people. I lost my innocence about pagans all being 'wonderful' many years ago when I went to a festival and this one creep would not leave me alone, but followed me everywhere insisting that he felt 'we've known each other before'...this was after I told him I'd recently gotten married. When a friend pointed out that he was following me on my way back to my tent, I put a stop to it and reamed into him. Now it would take me nearly as long and I wouldn't be nearly as polite. After that, it really hit me that it doesn't matter what religion, race, gender, etc., one is, one can still be a pervert or just a nasty mean person...or one can have honor and be caring and act as is right.

Yasmine :colorful:

[Laisrean]

Now that I find sickening. Clergy are not supposed to do that. :(

In one instance I am thinking of, the Clergyman reported anonymously who did the murder through a letter to police. The police were able to track the letter to a church and then forced the clergyman to testify in court.

[Yasmine Galenorn]

I understand that it's something that he did come forward to say he did it and for the parents' of his gf to know now that it wasn't suicide... but now her parents must face the reality that they've lost a daughter and grandchild because of *him* - and that he's looking for forgiveness.

My thoughts are with her parents.


Oh, I wasn't making any excuse for him...he committed a horrendous act and he should pay in the same vein as his crime was.

I feel so sorry for the parents...and if she had sisters or brothers--a murder like this doesn't just affect the immediate family. And I feel sorry for his family too, if they didn't know about this. I've always maintained that if I had a child and they admitted (or were found guilty without doubt) of committing a murder, I would not stand by them...something like that is inexcusable and I would not be a part of supporting such a person in any way. And if I knew a family member had done something like this, I'd be on the phone to the police the minute I found out.

Sounds hard hearted, but I believe in acting honorably. There are levels of restitution...for murder, there is no possible restitution. You cannot restore what has been taken forever.

Yasmine :colorful:

[SilverMaiden]

Every time a read a story of a woman being murdered like I have to wonder how did we get so low that some believe that half the human race is so disposable and not worthy as compared to themselves.

Where did we go wrong in our society and teaching the children? Where did the hate come from and why didn't we stop it? :hairraise

[Laisrean]

Every time a read a story of a woman being murdered like I have to wonder how did we get so low that some believe that half the human race is so disposable and not worthy as compared to themselves.

Where did we go wrong in our society and teaching the children? Where did the hate come from and why didn't we stop it? :hairraise

You are right, it does seem that woman are more likely to be victims of violent crimes than men. Seems alot of men view women as inferior, and still others get sexual gratification from abusing them...

What can be done about it? My suggestion would be castration. Some men apparently view this as a punishment worse than death. In another forum I post on I suggested castration and life in prison as an alternative to the death penalty, and many there said it was too cruel and inhumane a punishment.

[Yasmine Galenorn]

You are right, it does seem that woman are more likely to be victims of violent crimes than men. Seems alot of men view women as inferior, and still others get sexual gratification from abusing them...

What can be done about it? My suggestion would be castration. Some men apparently view this as a punishment worse than death. In another forum I post on I suggested castration and life in prison as an alternative to the death penalty, and many there said it was too cruel and inhumane a punishment.

Unfortunately, some women perpetuate this view by refusing to be strong (willed), by not realizing that one can be feminine and still be a force to be reckoned with. Once the majority of women fight back and refuse to be doormats, things will change. And there are a number of men who are like this, but I refuse to categorize all men into the abuser category (no, I'm not saying you did :) ). There are a number of women who abuse their children in horrible ways, and who abuse their husbands.

I don't think that castration is inhumane for those who rape and molest, but my fear is that if they ever get out, they'll go on a killing rampage in order to get 'back' at the women they hate.

Of course, I am pro-death penalty for certain crimes (and I do think the capital punishment system needs an overhaul) because over the years, I've seen way too many of these pervs get out of jail and do it again, and worse than before. I'd rather give my support to the victims and survivors, than bother myself about the 'rights' of someone who chooses to inflict life-long trauma on others. And I will admit, I've been a victim of rape and molestation myself, I know what it can do to the psyche and how long it takes to work through it...

There was an article in the paper here today about a foster father who's been raping all of his foster sons over a period of years and taking kiddyporn pictures of them and plastering them all over the net. In my opinion, this dude needs to go down...wayyyyy down. Like about six feet under. (And the guy was caught red handed with the photographs). His wife says she knew nothing--that it all happened when she was at work. Frankly, I think the cops need to take a close look to see if she's telling the truth.

Yasmine :colorful:

[Laisrean]

I think castration is an excellent punishment for rapists... remove their penis as well so they couldn't rape again, even if they wanted to (which is doubtful they would without male sex hormones). Lobotomies should also be looked at more closely as a way of rehabilitating violent criminals.

As you can tell I don't support the death penalty, so I look for alternative means of punishment/rehabilitation.

[rain_fallen_tears]

Goddess, sometimes I hate people.

[LadyWillow]

That is nuts..but atleast he confessed.

[Yasmine Galenorn]

I think castration is an excellent punishment for rapists... remove their penis as well so they couldn't rape again, even if they wanted to (which is doubtful they would without male sex hormones). Lobotomies should also be looked at more closely as a way of rehabilitating violent criminals.

As you can tell I don't support the death penalty, so I look for alternative means of punishment/rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, rape is NOT about sex, but about power, humiliation, and domination. Sex just happens to be a convenient vehicle for them to use as a weapon. If these men didn't rape, they'd be out killing and/or torturing people. Ask any rape counseling center about the motivations that spur on most rapes.

And yes, we each have our own opinion on the death penalty. ~grins~ I know I'm in the minority amongst a lot of pagans, but hey, that's where I stand. But statistics on rehabilitation show that it's rare among violent sexual offenders, including the ones who have been sent through treatment.

Yasmine :colorful:

[Antoninus]

Yasmine is right. A rapist isnt out for sexual gratification, hes out for power and the feeling of dominance. Rapists tend to be life loosers who can only dominate thier own breakfast and thats about it. They tend to be white males ranging anywhere from 18 to late 30's, they probably have a dead-end job and are very frustrated people. Thier life is probably strewn with failed attempts and mis-accomplishments. As a young child, a rapist may have tortured younger children (Twisting thier arm, punching them, kicking them, grinding thier faces into the ground etc.) or small animals or insects to get that feeling of control. Read The Anatomy Of Motive by John Douglas. Very fascinating stuff, also very scary. Its sickening to think human being are capable of doing stuff like this.

[Marchosias]

I think castration is an excellent punishment for rapists... remove their penis as well so they couldn't rape again, even if they wanted to (which is doubtful they would without male sex hormones). Lobotomies should also be looked at more closely as a way of rehabilitating violent criminals.

As you can tell I don't support the death penalty, so I look for alternative means of punishment/rehabilitation.


Even better: total sex change.

[Regulus]

I don't think the guy is the least bit repentant. I think he's using the movie and its current popularity to get a lenient sentence when he is set to prison. He's trying to avoid death. Sad thing is, with the area he's in, I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls it off.(Native Houstonian, I'm aloud.) As for castration. I'm all for it. Whether it prevents rape or not is debatable, but the fact is that for anyone who has been castrated the rest of their lives will be completely miserable without testosterone. The depression they will slip into will be unimaginable. A fitting punishment I think. Especially if they are in prison and watched so that they don't kill themselves cause they will want to.

[Juniecat]

Castration may be a fitting punishment, but I don't think it would prevent even sexual assault. If a man wants to force himself on a woman as a means of asserting control and dominance, he could just as easily do it with a broom handle. Like people have been saying, it's not about sexual gratification for him.

Personally, I was always on the fence about the death penalty, then I read Dead Man Walking (and the movie is NO substitute) and now I don't think I will ever be pro-death penalty. The problem is that life sentences need to start being LIFE sentences, and not a few years then out on good behavior. And before anyone starts shouting about money, don't bother, it costs WAY more for the government to kill someone than it does to keep them in prison for life...something like 2 million versus 500,000. Plus, statistics have shown that the death penalty does NOTHING to reduce crime rates. AND, the death penalty is handed out so unfairly...check records, a ridiculous percentage of people who get the death penalty are people who are too poor to afford decent representation (the state assigns them an attorney, but often times they are lawyers who work in completely separate branches of the law and have to try to prep in a few weeks or months to work in criminal law). Not to mention the huge part that politics play in who lives and who dies...someone may not get pardoned just because election time is coming up. As far as I'm concerned, the death penatly isn't justice, it's just state-sanctioned vengence, and a person whose body could be put to use doing something productive for society is just another dead body.