Wow, my family is bad!

[Kaylara]

Ok, I just got a call from my mother, letting my know that my 9 year old brother has been suspended from school. He's been having a problem with this other kid in his class all year. Apparently, this other kid told Nicky that he was going to kill him, and Nicky responded by telling the kid the same. So now, he's suspended for an indefinate amount of time... What really irks me though, this kid has had problems with other kids a lot, and as far as I can tell is a little *bleep*-hole. And I know this sounds bad, but I hope my brother kicks the crap out of him. :D Grrrr! Zero Tolerance strikes again!

[Yvonne Belisle]

That rots!

[Felidae]

Well... I don't see what's so bad about standing up for yourself. GO NICKY!

[Kaylara]

Neither do I honestly. My brother has some behavior issues, but he's a good kid... This other kid is just a jerk. He's threatened my brother before, and they're constantly picking on each other... I hate this crap. I can't even do anything to help him. Grrrrrrr. Miles is pretty angry about this as well, and he told me last night that the only one who can pick on his brother is one of us. (the siblings) we're not at all happy about this.

[Boogins]

Go, Nicky, go, go, Nicky, go!

[Felidae]

Please tell me that the other kid got equal punishment, at least!

If he started it he deserves more, in my view, but did they at least suspend him, too?

[Kaylara]

Yes he is suspended as well. The only reason Nicky got the punishment is because he threatened the kid back. They said it was something like "Terroristic Threats" Please...

[Felidae]

"Terroristic Threats" Please...
Nine year old Terrorists?

*snort*

[Jenne]

Oh, Kay, my lil Al (6 years old) had to deal with a bully this year. Sad thing was, I was so afraid of this, but never thought it'd happen (I dealt with bullies all the way til h.s.!) to my little boy.

This itty bitty kid picked on Alex (Al is the youngest in his class and wears glasses, so he's an easy target in some ways) since the beginning of school. He didn't tell us (his dad and I) at all! Didn't even act scared to go to school or anything--so I had NO clue this was going on til one day I took him to school. I had to talk to a teacher there about a possible job opportunity. Alex didn't want to leave my side, but I knew the bell was going to ring, so I sent him on his way.

Next thing I knew, he was brought to me by another mother, crying and hysterical. Apparently, he'd punched this little boy (who also wore glasses) because he just couldn't take it any more. This kid, everyday, during recess, while standing in line, etc. would come up and harass, threaten and then beat up on Al. He'd push him down and he'd scratched his glasses the first week of school. I'd noticed the glasses and questioned Al, but he shrugged it off saying he'd fallen down.

So that day, the kid came up and threatened to punch Alex in the eyes, and so my Al decided that no, THIS time, HE'd punch the bully so he'd finally leave him alone. But he was so overwrought with guilt at having punched the kid, that he was hitting himself as well. Saying, "I punched first, *I* punched first!"

The whole class backed Alex up, and his teacher apologized to him because she said it wasn't fair that Alex came to school feeling unsafe. I was shocked as hell, and couldn't believe it. It was my worst nightmare come true. And even though at the first-grade level Al HAS to have this on his permanent record, and even though this is one of the reasons his principal knows our names REALLY well, I'm glad he had the strength to deal with it and show that kid that he wasn't this guy's punching bag. Sure, he should have told someone, and he knows that NOW, and sure, he could have figured out other strategies to deal with it (which we have worked on since, and he's had no problems at all).

But I sure am glad my Al is NOT anyone's *itch!!!!

:hugz: Kay...I hope that kid can leave your lil bro alone!

[Kaylara]

Nine year old Terrorists?

*snort*

http://www.mysticwicks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18907

Terrorist... Yep... That's him... The 9 year old terrorist. LMFAO!

[Felidae]

He's adorable! Gorgeous eyes.

(Shhh... Don't tell him I said that - might blow his cover.)

[Nighthawk]

Yea, you are allowed to be threatened... but, try to end it and watch out!!

[Old Witch]

This terrorist crap is going way to far! Maybe, just maybe, in the Gaza strip a 9 tear old is considered a terrorist, but this is still the U.S. right?
Sheesh! Right on Nicky! Although violence is a thing to be avoided, sometimes it's unavoidable!

[Black RiverWolf]

i remeber bullies in high school. then i got ito one fight with a guy bigger than me kicked his arse and never had a problem again, come to think of it my friends didn't get picked on either after that. but i don't like to see people fight just to fight if your going to fight there are 2 rules that my dad taught us as kids well maybe more than that,

1. do not punch first ( that way it self defense)
2. don't let the other guy see you cry
3. and if he beats you up you better beat him back cause if you don't youll get it worse when you get home,

don't get me wrong dad did not evcourage us to fight. he just did not want to see his baby girl and his sons be made fun of for not fighting back. sounds like nicky should just thrash the little bastard then walk away like nothing happend. then feel bad about when he gets home and explains what he did.

[Kaylara]

HAHAHAHAHA! Just got to mom's house, and Nicky told me he's only suspended for two days. The other kid got a whole week, because he started it, he threatened first, and he cursed! BWAHAHHAHHAHAHA!

[Yvonne Belisle]

That is good news.

[Fairywolf]

First off let me say GO NICKY!!!

I really hate to say this but this day and age you really have to watch out for the kids. It is unfortunate but it is true. Kay you have an adorable brother there and I hope that he never has to go threw what I did with bullies.

I wish that children would learn that violence is not the way to go but some kids don't. But as we all know kids can be the cruelest people.

I have to say that I am glad that he stood up for himself but I hope that it doesn't escalade to more violence, for his sake.

Give him a big thumbs up from me though, it takes guts to stand up for yourself even if you know it may be wrong.


Sorry for the rambleing :lol:

[Galaxia]

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[Faeawyn]

My son was always bullied....it enraged me. But the school had a no hit and no hit back policy. No matter what, even defending yourself got you kicked out of school. Very frustrating....it leaves kids with no options. Something needs to be done about it :(

And Kaylara....thats one tough looking kid, I wouldn't mess with him :lol:

[SpikesPet5150]

While I hate to do it, I must play devils advocate.

It pains to me say it, but sometimes little kids *can* commit horrible crimes. Murder, rape, assault. The people in charge at schools have to be *super* careful nowadays. And it does suck, because the innocent also get punished... but they can't really choose sides. They can't take the chance that they maybe got the wrong kid, ya know?

With that said, I give Nicky 2 enthusiastic thumbs up! It's good to know that he's not letting anyone push him around. Maybe his new reputation of not putting up with anyones crap will follow him into his teen years so he doesn't have to worry about bigger bullies with more access to weapons. Good luck to you guys!
~Bree

[Sequoia]

Er- I've never heard of a nine year old committing rape. . .

other than that, Go Nicky!! :D Love it when the bullies get their due!

[Gareth]

It's funny Kay, my son is in kindergarten.
He got suspended for one day. :lol:
He gave a kid in his class a black eye!! :yikes:

The kid threw a block at my boy and he punched right in the eye.
But 'terroristic threats' ? I've never heard of it.

[Gareth]

Er- I've never heard of a nine year old committing rape. . .
Niether have I.
I hope I don't hear about something like that either.

[Kaylara]

While I hate to do it, I must play devils advocate.

It pains to me say it, but sometimes little kids *can* commit horrible crimes. Murder, rape, assault. The people in charge at schools have to be *super* careful nowadays. And it does suck, because the innocent also get punished... but they can't really choose sides. They can't take the chance that they maybe got the wrong kid, ya know?

Well, the whole problem I have with the Zero Tolerance programs, is that it leaves no room for the supervisors judgement.

[Pesha]

We had a case here in Utah in an elementary chool where a child accidentally discharged his inhaler into a teaches face. It was an obvious accident but due to the Zero Tolerance crap they suspended the child who was aged 10 years and then took him to court for inflicting a drug injury on this teacher. The teacher in question stated she felt it was accidental but oh no........get the poor kid he is on the road to crime. So I think prehaps this Zero Tolerance stuff is way over done and improperly administered.

BB
DS.

[SpikesPet5150]

While I'm sure I could find a story if I searched hard enough, I'll change my phrasing and say molesting and murdering. That was the basic point I was trying to get across anyways.

I wasn't saying I agree with the zero tolerance policy, just trying to show all sides of the arguement. Things don't always work out like they're supposed to, but I'm sure that the zero tolerance policy has also saved a few kids from a brutal beating at the hands of their bully classmates. Now maybe the bully will think again before punching anyone else. Nicky has nothing to worry about. He *knows* he was defending himself. But this bully needed to learn a lesson in discipline.
~Bree

[Psyche Ague]

Er- I've never heard of a nine year old committing rape. . .
I would hope not, but I'm constantly surprised at how cruel kids can be. I'm sure we all remember either being picked on or picking on other kids. It happens a LOT and sexual comments are not excluded. In fact, they happened to me when I was very young and didn't even know what most of the words meant.

But I firmly believe in standing up for yourself and I hate the No Tolerance type of program.

[Krystall]

I think young kids today have it so rough. They don't understand half the things they hear and repeat; we've had problems in the local elementary schools of 'sexual harrassment' where one little kid will say something off-color to another child. It's taken very seriously.

My son was also picked on by bullies. He was a great target because he has Tourette and it caused him to have rapid eye-blinks, and occasional facial grimaces before the doctors found the appropriate medication for him.

He would simply blow up with anger and rage. He didn't hit much, usually in self-defense, but it seems like the principal was always calling me the year he was in 4th grade.

Finally, one day I picked my son up from school and he got in the car crying and said, "They're picking on me so much I wish I had a gun and could shoot them all."

I called the principal, told him how frustrated my son was and what he had said.

Guess what the principal's reaction was? He wanted to know if my son had made this 'threat' on school property?

I told him EXACTLY what I thought. I wasn't calling him to 'turn in my child', I was letting him know how severe the harrassment was getting and I wanted it to STOP IMMEDIATELY. He ended up dropping the matter and talked to the whole classroom about kindness and not picking on each other. But that was only after I assured him we don't own a gun.

It's getting out of hand.

Oh, children do committ terrible crimes. Remember about 10 years ago when little 2 year old James Bulgar in England was taken out of a mall by two boys who were about 9 and 11? They murdered him.

Peggy

[Laurelei]

[QUOTE=Puma Hime]Er- I've never heard of a nine year old committing rape. . . [QUOTE]
I've heard of a ten year old almost committing rape. I'm pretty sure it's true, but maybe the victim was exaggerating slightly. She didn't go into detail...

This thread is interesting because I'm stuck pretty near the center of a massive victimization problem in my school at the moment. (I happen to be one of the only good friends that the victim has left). As I said to her, I gave up fighting when I went to high school, but the things they come out with make me wanna rekindle my fighting spirit...

Sheesh, the stuff that happens... I've had a complete pig of a day, thanks to bullies. I hadn't been that frightened in years, and I wasn't even the person they were after...

Good for Nicky, btw! Well done!

[Lady Jade]

We just had this same situation in my house with my son. His teacher told him that as parents that told their child to defend himself and hit only if hit first that we were "wrong and dumb" I am going to pull him out of school altogether and home school him. I hope things will get better for your brother, my thoughts are with you.

[Juniecat]

This is absolutely horrible...by and large I was left alone in school, because as girls go, I'm kind of a tank, and no one wanted to start something with me. There was one exception, when a stupid tiny, little guy thought it would be fun to torment the strongest girl in a school of 1300 students...so he hacked a big snotty phlegm ball onto the side of my face. I lost it...grabbed him by the throat and slammed his head into the bus window. ( I really, really HATE saliva and saliva mixed with snot...well, I wasn't going to stand for that.)

I felt horrible afterwards. I was furious that anyone had been able to make me lose control like that...especially since I live my life being so physically careful, because I KNOW I can really hurt people. But you know what...sometimes, people just need to be put in their place. He never bothered me again...and while I got suspended for three days, he was out for a week because he had been the antagonist. Thankfully this was all pre-Columbine, or I probably would have been expelled.

So I say Go Nicky! Don't let anybody torment you!

[Klucky]

Oh Kay, what are you teaching this kid? :lol: :gagged: He definitely got it from you. ;) You know, seeing you beat the crap out of Bran and all...

-Klucky

[Sequoia]

Erm. . . well.. . . I just find it difficult to think that a child who hasn't even gone through puberty could actually rape someone o_o . . . that's a bit. . . wow. Most normal little kids don't even. . . they don't even get these ideas, or have these desires. I think most of the "sexual harrassment" that young children participate in, are circumstances in which they're repeating words they've heard their parents say or things they've heard on TV, things they don't really understand. I don't think most young children know the difference between "stupid head" and "b*tch". It's something to yell at someone when you're angry.

Anyhow, I do think it's getting rediculous, how far 'authorities' are taking things with kids. Children, at least in this part of the world, aren't terrorists. . . not young children, anyway. . . *shakes my head* I think they take these things too far. Children fighting with bullies aren't terrorists. Even bullies aren't terrorists, they're bullies. They should be dealt with as such. Not thrown in Juvie or something. (well, unless they're doing really severe shiat. But. .. come on. Usually that's not the case)

eh. . . I don't know. I lost my tangent.

[Klucky]

I'm wondering now if Nicky has any type of bad record at all. If so, I can sort of see why they'd want to punish him, only not that harshly. A good sit down and talk would have probably done just fine. And he knows better anyhow (from what I've seen :) ). I'm not saying good kids shouldn't be punished for the same things bad kids do, but I just think schools are getting way too trigger-happy and unfair. (Anybody remember my Alice Cooper incident? :gagged: )

As for kids 9 and younger stealing, raping, and whatnot, it does happen, sadly. It really amazes me when I see/hear such things. It really makes you wonder how that kid's life could have screwed up so quickly.

-Klucky

[Yvonne Belisle]

A kid who's own equipment doesn't work can violate someone with other objects I spend far too much time at crimelibrary and read of some of the creative means people have used to kill one another.

[Agayvli Wahya]

The way schools handle things have really gone down hill since the zero tolarance rule got passed. Common sense is no longer used when it comes to punishing kids in school. Shoot off a fire cracker, boom, you're expelled. Have a pack of matches or a lighter, you're out of here.

Heck, my sister brought some mydol to school with her because she was cramping bad while on her period, and she got suspended for a week because of it. That wouldn't have happened a few years ago.

[flar7]

yep, you would be surprised at the number of elementary sexual assualt and rape cases. I think one of the reasons that the "terrorist" got suspended Kay, was to make it look even and not harbor any ill feelings about the punishment in the other kids opinion. Nowadays, a death threat at any age is a wake up call, and its best to be warned and try to cool down the tempers and harsh feelings.

I would recommend some counseling for the other kid, but I know how schools are.....*sigh*